Pic related is a 48-mine cassette launcher found from a downed OW-UAS flying over the R-280 coastal highway in occupied Ukraine. How do you defend against hundreds of OWA-UAS dropping tens of thousands of small landmines all over your vital logistic routes 100-150km behind your frontline?My answer would be a convoy system lead by multiple mine-roller equipped vehicles alongside air defense vehicles equipped with 360 AESA radars and radar guided and preferably air bursting remote turrets. You'd also want to run mine rollers through by themselves to help clear out the roads over time.https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/2060442753889382408https://x.com/GrandpaRoy2/status/2060442762399609020https://x.com/DenShtilierman/status/2060391051811045722https://t.me/combat_engineer/11381
>>65194006The mines themselves. They're enough to blow out a tire, but probably easily dealt with by mine rollers. Stopping to clear them slowly will probably have you fall victim to the OWA-UAS patrolling the road itself looking for vehicles.
>>65194010Mine roller drones.>Oh it's pussyiaMobiks with sticks and mops.
>>65194006that's too much shit, you are basically sending an entire armoured column to resupply ten guys and a uteI would suggest a much more proactive and rear area management doctrine where you aggressively sweep logistics routes for mines on a regular (but still random so your minesweeping teams don't get hit) as well as localised sweeps every your airspace is penetrated by enemy drones
>>65194006yes but the mine clearing vehicles also have C-UAS systems on themas well as literally every other vehicle that they will fit on
>>65194006>How do you defend against hundreds of OWA-UAS dropping tens of thousands of small landmines Have air superiority, working AA and helo transport.
>>65194057Dunno what went wrong there but the missing words from my post are "intensive", "basis" and "time"
>>65194051>UGV mine rollersDamn, should've thought of that. Makes perfect sense for the rearline where you don't have the same jamming threat. Goes to show how so many people still have their head stuck in the 20th century that I made this whole thread and didn't think of that. Russia doesn't have the same Starlink capability but they could probably still do it. They've got to move on this shit fast though because the problem is already out of hand. >>65194057These are the deeper logistic routes where you're supporting entire frontlines. A lot of the videos already have dozens of trucks visible, they're just not in any sort of organized unit. https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2058826161241657557?s=20https://x.com/clement_molin/status/2060129788950368757?s=20>>65194061The only C-UAS unit I've ever seen is jammers (which won't help here) and dudes on the back shooting shotguns/rifles at incoming FPVs, never anything from a remote weapon station.
Nets over major transport routesnot only can they block small UAS, they will also block dropped landmines as well. Even if a mine does pierce the net, this will immediately alert any incoming convoy to the presence and location of any mines because the net will be broken
>>65194066>The only C-UAS unit I've ever seen is jammers (which won't help here) and dudes on the back shooting shotguns/rifles at incoming FPVs, never anything from a remote weapon station.The designs exist, and the concepts have been proven, the only thing really left is building them and putting them into service.
>>65194066>>65194078
>>65194078>>65194083For sure they exist, I mean actual widespread combat use in Ukraine. You've also got dudes on the back shooting machineguns which probably would actually be effective against these attack drones. We're talking something that needs to be implemented in the next few months defending hundreds of kilometers of roads and the supplies for 2/3rds of the frontline.
>>65194090>>65194083>>65194078I don't even know why I'm arguing here, I agree, every single ground vehicle needs 360 AESA radars and a remote weapon station, it's the reality of the drone strike paradigm.
>>65194066You need to address the mine threat across all logistics routes in the drone zone, from just behind the front line all the way through to the edge of the zone, so considering both is importantThinking about it some more, this seems to me like the kind of problem that is solved through a combination of solutions and not just one single thing, so stealing as many of the ideas in the thread as possible and putting them all together might be the thing
>>65194090Well, if we're talking about what Russia can realistically field in the short term, then yeah, they'd be lucky to get a guy in the back of a working truck with a working rifle
>>65194096Suuuure. These are heavy, costs money, take up space, need power supply, need trained crew, need space for the extra crew, and still get saturated by drone swarms. You don't get it do you? You fight drones with drones.
>>65194006>>65194066This is a sword not a shield problem. Ukraine retains the state capacity to run these kinds of suppression campaigns in Russia's rear. Russia can throw unlimited resources at protecting its logistics lines, but it can't do that and simultaneously maintain an advance along the front. It'd be like asking in 1991, "hey what should Sadaam do to avoid the Republican Guard from getting buttfucked by USAF and RAF?"
>>65194106What takes up more space, 300 rounds of programmable 30x113mm, an automated gun, and a fire control radar, or a couple dozen interceptor drones and the personnel to operate them?
>>65194006Assuming they have already deployed the mines?Run search patterns with drones using multi-spectral ground analysis.They can either pinpoint mines and then feed location to ground forces or even target them for destruction themselves.Better to run drone teams. One or two spotters with detection cameras and then a disposal drone that merely fires on the mine presence relayed to it. This way you can have more flight time or payload per drone since it needn't carry both detection and disposal equipment.
>>65194122The latter. Unless you want to bunch them up and risk getting countered.And how are you defending them?With hard ground based SHORAD.Stop being myopic. The answer is always layered defense.
>>65194066pussyia can't do shit.
>>65194106You're thinking too tactically. implement stealth strategic bombing as well to reduce the opfor's ability to field drones.
>>65194006what a nightmare, even 100 years after the war, these things will kill/maim children, workers, farmers,....
>>65194162Did you read the post I replied to that was acting like drones have made guns obsolete?
>>65194617So true! Russia should immediately cease any agressions and leave ukraine so that these mines can be cleaned up
>>65194617Maybe the russians should fuck off back to russia then, and not have deployed millions of their own mines across southern Ukraine.
>>65194617These are the best things you could drop because they're battery powered and have a self destruct. Even if the self destruct fails they'll eventually run out of battery power and be safe.
