>armed with AR-15 >Lithium ion battery for power>Build price around 15k>Can operate for 9 hours on a single charge>Easy to charge on the battlefield/front line through a solar panel array, power cable line from your base or through a portable power stationEach American can pay for 5 battle robots to replace him on the battlefield each year. Literally tens of millions of these fuckers occupying some third world nation with 10 million extra coming each year
i was with you until you said solar.
Those things would be lost by the thousands for every competent soldier they killed (see - every piece of clone wars related media), and are only good for keeping down illiterate civilians armed with barely functional small arms.So yeah, solid occupation force in a shithole that you don't care about in the slightest, hot garbage in a real war.
>>65195239Which Star Wars droid would make a good frontline unit in a real war according to you?
>>65195224>build price around 15kSo this thing is going to be as shitty as a commercial lawn mower? You know they have to hire a garage of Mexicans to keep them up and running. You know what, yeah, this is starting to sound like some USMC shit.
>>65195241BX (bottom left) is roughly equivalent in capability to a human soldier and is thus probably alright, although cost becomes a serious question with those given how rare and bespoke they are.Droideka (bottom left) functionally acts like a machine gun equipped tankette, and is probably solid in conjunction with more competent forces. It is still going to die a lot because man portable heavy weapons will still do horrible things to it, but it should create enough problems that it justifies itself even if it can't do more than suppress enemy positions and draw fire.B1 and B2 both have the same issue - they are fine at standing around in the open, but that is suicidal in a real war. A droid needs to intelligently move from cover to cover and engage in small unit tactics like human soldiers do, or it is going to get slaughtered just like human soldiers who fail to properly use small unit tactics get slaughtered. The only way around this is to be durable enough and dangerous enough that it gains fire superiority in a small arms exchange regardless of how poor its tactics are, but B1s fail that miserably and B2s are pretty so-so at the best of times given how individual clones routinely gun them down.
>>65195277>Droideka (bottom left)Derp, Drodeka is bottom right. I blame Australia being upside down. B1 is top left and B2 is top right, for those of you who live in a box and have never seen Star Wars episodes 1-3.
>>65195224>Roger Roger I thought machines were supposed to be efficient
>>65195239stormtroopers lost to ewoks, droids beat the gungans
>>65195300>complacent garrison force loses to surprise attack by local insurgents supported by foreign special forces>droids bullied primitives in an open field fight where neither side is engaging in sophisticated tactics, but the droids have tanks and the gungans are gungansYes?
>>65195239>>65195241This was by design even in the fantasy. IE, the cure to what made the bots incompetent was already there: better software, and if you really needed to stretch the chassis: boutique hardware and matching equipment.Was unironically the perfect bot force. >>65195248Space Mexicans drive around in giant olds mobiles through the desert and just scrap them. The maintenance is done by other robots overseen by space Asians (literal bug people).
>>65195291By design redundancies to maintain the coherency of their programming.It’s basically a spiritual mantra>>65195322Bots basically won every objective that was dictated on an open battlefield, even if they got massacred by the clones.It was a pure numbers game. Clones being better soldiers and having better equipment only let them win where they could perform precise interventions within or without the above contexts.
>>65195224>each droid has identical paint wear
>>65195241Could a clone army beat Russia in Ukraine?
>>65195391Depends on how many there are, I wonder how they would react and approach the drone threat
>>65195241>>65195277Droidekas were canonically super expensive, basically could be considered as hyper-mobile armor assets with light weaponry (HMGs only) in terms of both cost and durability. They were too expensive to be produced on the scale needed for frontline troops. Maybe even more expensive than armor, but just so fucking useful and effective that it was worth using a lot of them? Also iirc they burn through energy reserves like crazy, so not ideal for things like guard duty.B1 and B2 with better software like >>65195324 says was the solution. B1s in particular could be very potent when upgraded, since they ARE actually capable of agility at least on the level of a normal human. BX was superior to those upgraded B1s, but yeah, clearly cost was an issue given how rare they were
>>65195699>not ideal for things like guard dutyWouldn't being closer to a method of recharging make them better at guard duty?
>>65195391They already are, I don’t know why they decided to an aging British politician though.
>>65195239wasn't the EU explanation that they were originally just low cost security bots? that always made sense to me
>>65195224I love the way they look.
>>65195709Yeah if you had that available then they'd be fine for it. You did occasionally see them pulling guard duty in important places where presumably they'd be very close to a recharging station
>>65195715Kek
>>65195358in real manufacturing this type of thing is common. parts get consistently banged and scraped by the same poorly designed processes and no one fixes it because no one cares.
>>65195277Reason the BX is so expensive is partially because it wasn't mass-produced like the B1 and B2; physically, it isn't even made out of any exotic space metals like the B2 is, but titanium and steel. For an army bound to a single planet, the BX is an adequate model for your basic troop.
>>65195277The BX seemed more capable than the rank and file human/clone troopers
>>65195224>no FPV dronesJoke
>>65195391since humans can shoot drones down with the right ammo, clones with their superior reflexes and perceptions as well as all the targeting tech in their helmets would eliminate drones as a threat and put kino back on the menu
>>65195765After playing Pragmata I would hazard they might charge the same way Diana does in the game, at least on ships and inside installations:wireless charging apparati built into the floors.
>>65195224I’m good clanker
>>65195239Literally doesn't matter. Competent soldiers, even clones with fast aging, take better part of a decade to grow. Battle droids can be made from scratch in hours. And as others have pointed out, competence is a software issue; they can be aimbots if not coded by jeets.
Lucas can't into numbers. CIS had such ridiculous amount of manpower AND ships that they would btfo every faction in the SW universe combined.
>>65195277B2s required the clones to bring oversized heavy blaster rifles as standard issue weapons, and then load them up with premium-quality ammo on top of that. Those damn things are seriously hard to put down for how cheap and expendable they are.
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>>65196254He sort of knew, The republics big advantage was the jedi, but Mace even says before it happens that if it comes to war there will not be enough jedi to protect the republic.
>>65196290True, you only see the jedi mow them down with no trouble because they're fucking jedi.
>>65195239>Keeping down illiterate civilians armed with barely functional firearmsSo…all of Europe, Russia, Middle East, India, Canada, South America, Australia, and Africa?
>>65195224>George LickassNah, bro. Pierre Sprey (aka Fighter Mafia) was right all along. Drones proved his theory that cheap disposable aircraft (drones) is the way to go vs ultra expensive and fat yuuuge multirole manned fighters. He was just ahead of his time.
>>65195331The droids also regularly lost in space, and if you can’t win in the skies you won’t reach the ground.
>>65196347That might hold weight if Sprey wasn't actively vocally anti-drone and viewed any kind of smart targeting as a liability. Sprey didn't predict shit, he just fetishized cheapness, which just happens to be tangentially relevant to the current situation.
>>65195241I would flee at the sight of a droideka.
>>65195859There are droids the size of mice to house cats. Fully space capable btw.
>>65195224>Cant reliably hit a target at twenty paces>>65195241Ahh the upgrades that let them hit targets all the way to thirty paces.
>>65195224That's great except China makes all the batteries and solar. Taiwan makes all the microchips.
>>65195241The non-networked B1 droid had 2 problems:Fragile due to poor quality control.Dumb AI due to underpowered computer hardware.The central computer B1 seemed to be poorly managed, which is understandable as tradefed didn't have professional military academics and were just rushing objectives without strategy. I find it interesting that jamming wasn't effective against the Ep1 droids. Maybe the EU or other series addresses jamming of control ship signals rather than the disabling of such control ships. If they're unjammable, the control ship makes sense to retain.
>>65195322The gungan distraction was literally just that. It was to monopolize the occupation force resources so the capital could be infiltrated, naboo starfighters recaptured and take the frogface leader hostage. The plan probably would have failed if the control ship wasn't destroyed in divine providence by the force child. The naboo pilots were all useless trash.Capturing gunray or whatever with the droid control ship still working would probably just result in a long hostage standoff and gunray being replaced with a new CEO. I don't know how important gunray is, maybe he's important enough for a hostage deal.
>>65196347The only thing the reformers are right about is that the M113 despite being vulnerable to heavy machine gun fire is still a useful APC and can be used as both a battle taxi and an direct fire assault vehicle for close deployment and direct fire support to infantry.That said the M113 doesn't really have any advantages over an armored car or MRAP who can do the same things.
>>65195734>>65196301kek
>>65196031>hot brown tomboy cloneGod imagine being surrounded by them as a padawan
>>65197258Eh, I think it became passé to use the moment personal body armor eclipsed its base armor in technical protective value. We still need a tracked metal box, but something like either the tracked Stryker made of modern alloys if you want to keep it lightweight or that one project to rip the turret off the Bradley that somehow went nowhere for something with better base protection.
>>65196333Let's not forget Mexico and most of Asia.
>>65197335AMPV didn't go nowhere, it's winning as we speak. It's replaced mortar carriers, ambulances, and generic support vehicles in several of the armored brigades so far.
>>65197372Huh, that's a pleasant surprise to me. I'm just used to the Army cancelling anything that isn't upgrading our existing hardware over the past couple decades.
>>65195241>Which Star Wars droid would make a good frontline unit in a real war according to you?The Dwarf Spider Droid>All terrain, can climb sheer surfaces and transverse river/sea beds>Can see perfectly in pitch black darkness >Has a rapid fire cannon that can eliminate infantry, armoured vehicles and low flying aircraft >Works in coordination with other spider droids and acts as a spotter for the larger OG-9 homing spider droid>Able to manoeuvre and engage hostiles in tight urban or underground areas>Extremely personable
>>65195239>>65195241Droidekas are absolutely busted, they're insanely powerful in every Star Wars game and also canonically in the movies seeing how Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan ran from them. The CIS should have made more droidekas instead of fucking around with SBDs.
>>65195734Truth nuke
>>65196031>>65197327>Execute order 67My God
>>65195224>tens of millions of these fuckers occupying some third world nation with 10 million extra coming each year>not "WELL ON THE WAY"
>>65198530full-spec Droidekas were just like Magnaguards; i.e. the only type of droid that could in fact stand up to Jedi was also too expensive to be deployed solelythe ol' hi-lo mix all over again
>>65195224Yeah but then the Boris Johnson clone army can take them easily.
>>65196031Deploy the rape droids
>>65199389>order 67fuck that, I want Order 69>>65197258reformers are a broken clock with a nigh-unfalsifiable position: they can almost never go wrong in their armchair wartheorycrafting by simply demanding more of (current thing)>>65196380>he just fetishized cheapness, which just happens to be tangentially relevant to the current situation.correct>>65196347>Pierre Sprey (aka Fighter Mafia) was right all along. Dronesdon't acquire targets using Mark One Eyeball last I checkedremember, Sprey insisted that infrared and radar would never be able to replace eyeballs in looking for ground targets, because something something Hans-Ulrich Rudelso, if you are claiming that drones = blitzfighters, then in the recent mass drone barrage, Russia would have lost an additional 1,800 personnel and only 10% would have even hit their targets (never mind coming back from the one-way trip)all because Pyotr Spreyovich said the Geran Blitzfighter must be equipped with a big cannon, bombs, and no guided ordnance whatsoever
>Be you in 2033>Try to steal an old, rickety 2022 Tesla>You accidentally set off the alarm>The McPolice have already been notified>They send out the camera drones and the McRape bots>You see the McRape bots come running around the corner of block in your rearview mirror>their cocks flapping as they run>One of the Drones EMPs the car killing it and causing the doors to lock>feeling of panic, and raw fear swells up in your chest right as the McRape bots make it the car>They surround it and one smashes the windshield and grabs you by the collar>You try to break free but it has a grip of iron>Two other McRape bots come over and help the first pin you to the ground ass up>The first one rips of your clothing while the others restrain you> As you strain your neck trying to see what is going on you see their 9 inch silicon dicks beginning to grow and harden>The first one now mounting your naked ass, presses its rubber hardon into you>Another one uses its cock to gag you by gaping your throat with its 8 inch silicon girth>The camera drones begin recording and live streaming to all the smart billboads nearby>It begins thrusting using its McVaxx fluid mixed with blood for lube>After 30 minutes it finishes, filling you with its McFlurry goodness>the bots sprint away to the scene of another crime as quickly as they came>You lay there a traumatized, McBuckbroken shell of a man
>>65195833Why are you defending low effort slop?Yeah there is consistency in wear coming from the same process but they're only similar, not fucking ctrl+c ctrl+v identical.
>>65199431 <- man has a pointeven when LOTR ctrl+c/v'd the Rohirrim, they made sure to have blocks of IIRC ~30-40 Rohirrim dressed and equipped differently so that the ctrl+c/v would be unnoticeableand they probably used different captures / renders of each adjacent block as well
>>65196254 >Lucas can't into numbers. CIS had such ridiculous amount of manpower AND shipsMy brother in Christ, Lukas literally established the universe and none of the canon sources suggest that the CIS suggest that they would have defeated the Republic, yet alone the Empire. The CIS was a confederation of 10.000 planets (most of which were not as industrialised as the core worlds of the Republic), the Republic a system of over 1.000.000 Planets. The Republic had quintillions of sentient citizens, a non-clone Army of conscripts would have easily dwarfed the production capabilities of the CIS. Take the 1s battle of Geonosis, literally where the Republic got caught off-guard against a prepared CIS-force. In both Legends and canon the number of clones amounted to ca. 200.000. There were around 1 Million B1-Droids, tens of tousands of B2 Droids and a few tousand of each other droid type. Let's assume that the CIS had 1.300.000 droids and let's ignore that the average B1 Droid is inferior to someone who has no military training, the CIS only has a 6.5-1 numbers advantage to the clones in one of their most important battles. Now imagine if instead of the Clones, Palpatine would have used conscripts from the 1 Million Worlds of the Republic, some of which are basically hive cities. The only reason the Republic used Clones is because palpatine needed a quasi-droid force that obeys every command for order 66. You are also ignoring shipbuilding. The CIS only a slight advantage (Only Clone wars shows a good picture, usually 3 or 5 Frigattes to 1 Venator) while having inferior ships and admirals. The only significant advantage of the CIS were starfighters. And until the OT Trilogy Starfighters were not as important ebcause they had much less capabilities than the ships of the rebel alliance, especially the mass produced trash of the CIS.Really, only thing which doesn't make sense is why no other faction ever considered using Buzz droids.
>>65199651>Buzz droidsoverengineered wunderwaffle compared to prox fuzed high explosive in spaceNeimoidians probably used it because they think the answer to everything is "make a droid for it"hammers and nails
>>65197356I don't think I've ever actually actually paid attention to what the other gungans were doing in that scene before. It looks like they were just sort of gently shoving or hugging the droid army.
>>65199783what'll really cook your noodle is that the ones all the way at the back are standing still; it's a still background image
>>65195224I don't think every American is earning $75,000 a year dude. That would be heaven though.
