>>65201116
1. If your enemy has drones, it probably is not clever to invade them

>>65201116
Sun Tsu never existed.

>>65201116
Killing the males, taking the loot, impregnating the women, and LEAVING THEM TO BITCH:
Has never been ineffective.
MUH ENSERGINTZ!
Old women shaking fist at sky.

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>>65201116
All sales final, no refunds

>>65201116
Let your generals plan and fight your war. Also, stop letting people be generals just because they are related to you.

>>65201116
A delayed invasion may be good eventually, a rushed invasion is bad forever.
>sunshiro myatzuto

>>65201132
then how come we have zoos?

>>65201116
>Build more Independence class

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Do not launch a surprise attack if only your own soldiers will be surprised

>>65201116
if you insert special forces by helicopter, make sure the enemy doesn't see the helicopter

>>65201421
If I read Sun's book and then someone else's book does that mean I know more about fighting than Sun Tzu?

>if many of your soldiers are dying leave or quit as soon as possible

take the high ground

ooga the booga, booga the loo

>>65201131
>drones mean the end of all warfare
are you retarded?

>Stay strapped or get clapped.

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>Sun Tzu said:
>"A forelock may be squared, but a mobik can be cubed."

>>65201116
Attack during sleepy time. Or poopoo peepee time.

>>65201116
Flanking is the heart of all strategy,
All strategy involves flanking.
It can be literal, metaphorical, or both.
Tactical, operational, or grand strategic.
Accomplished in seconds or over decades.
Anything else is mere brute force.

>All poopoo times are peepee times but only some peepee times are poopoo times

>>65201485
>If I read Sun's book and then someone else's book does that mean I know more about fighting than Sun Tzu?
If you're reading Sun's book at this point you're also reading multiple other peoples' books interpolated with his. And probably Cao Cao's commentary, which is included in most English editions. Speaking of other people's work, don't take ol' Claus without several gallons of salt. He fundamentally misunderstood the point of Art of War and then doubled down on being a retarded edgelord.

>>65201686
Brute force is a strategy as well, just the weakest one.

"Watch the backblast, you idiot"
>Footage of a mobik with an RPG-7 using the exhaust port as a stock when firing, Ukraine, sometime around 2023

>The use of intelligence
>6. Knowledge of the enemy's dispositions can be obtained from other men or from technical means
>7. Knowledge of the correlation of forces is obtained by means of statistics, applied to databases, fed by spies and battlefield sensors
>8. Knowledge of the enemy's future actions is obtained by clever use of large strategic models (LSMs) and battlespace simulators
>7. Know your enemy and know yourself - you will win a thousand battles. But if you can anticipate your enemy's actions, the Heavens themselves will not be able to stop you.

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When there is a smoke screen, do not ride a bike through it at full speed.

Believing in your own propaganda is not advisable

>>65201485
no because he invented it and then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor

If enemy is stronger
Dont attack him head on, outsmart him
If enemy is weaker
Attack him head on

OH WAIT, ITS ACTUAL QUOTE FROM THE BOOK!

>>65201945
This is the closest we've come to seeing mobiks run into a painted on tunnel like Wile E. Coyote

>>65201116
>only military class is allowed to manage/command armies
>big civil war happens
>military class gets decimated
>government has to start letting non-military class people manage/command armies too
>some military class dude writes an introductory guide, so that these people who weren't literally raised for the job like he was won't fuck up as badly as they might with no guidance
your mistake was expecting it to be some PhD-level thesis when it's literally just Warfare For Dummies

When at a crossroads of supplying your army or buying a yacht, buy two yachts.

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>have a cabal of satanworshipers blackmail enemy politicians to go to war in your stead
>sell weapons to your enemies and your friend alike

>>65201116
When you besiege your enemy, build for him a golden bridge for which he can bring supplies into his fortress.

>>65201116
if it doesn't look cool it's for fags, everything that wins looks cool

>>65201116
If you kill your enemies, they win.
Don't attack if your army has male rape-based structure.
Grenade suicide is preferable to rape-based army structure.
Your rapist superiors are just as vulnerable to grenades as anyone else.
If you are losing, you can accuse your enemy of antisemitism.
Transgender armies need to account for 41% initial casualties.
Cage armor cannot stop top-attack munitions.
The army needs logistics.
Parachute forces can't swim.
Banan is not a justification for invasion.
Nook is not a credible threat.
Fighting against non-NATO countries is not fighting NATO.
Invading all of your neighbors does not make you righteous.
Civilians are not military targets.
Sanctions work.
If you go for the tsar, make sure you don't stop half-way.

>always crash your growlers and refueling planes into eachother

If in doubt fuck them in the ass!

If you look at any century of history you will fine examples of military leaders not doing those things and fucking up badly.

>>65201116
Cao Cao, the actual writer, was dealing with a lot of people who didn't know any of this shit and allegedly the ones who did kept clowning on the other Chinamen.

>>65202119
I always find this claim baffling. Like you're in charge of an army right, I can understand not knowing multi-axis threats, Parthian shot, feigned retreat and feints. But surely you, as a guy, can see you have 100,000 guys and they have 20,000 and you know you have the numerical advantage. You must know that walking up a hill is tiring, so don't do that and try to make your opponent do that. You must know being on a hill means you can see further and shoot an arrow farther (and shoot over your guys) so try to position on one. You must know you need to eat and so do your soldiers, and to drink and shit and so on.

It's like that guy in like the 70's who came up with the theory that humans didn't understand they had internal monologues in like the Bronze age, which meant that they would put famous people or powerful people or smart people into thrones when they died and people would go and ask questions to this corpse like
>O' Great One how do I make more crops this year
and then their own brain would go
>Maybe I plant more crops
And they would think that the corpse GAVE THEM this idea, that they didn't think it, but were given this by somebody else.

That's the kind of level we're on here, that people don't have their own brain, that they can't use problem solving skills or logic. Like as I said, if you're a kid and you run up a hill, it is effort. Therefore extrapolate that to the battlefield.

>>65202131
i play vidya with foreigners all the time and many of them don't understand basic causality. maybe it's the face culture. either way they don't really "think", they go like "hmm but i want to do <dumb thing> though, imagine how sweet it will be if it works out" like the same logic that leads to people gambling and playing the lottery

>>65202140
I know lots of aid workers despair in Africa because Africans often don't have a concept of 'tomorrow'. For example
>go to African village
>Bring fertiliser, crops, water irrigation system etc
>Show African how to grow crops and how to use system
>Crops grow, everybody is happy
>Crops grown, you sell them and buy new stuff for the next season
>The crops grow next season
>Crops are grown, you wave goodbye to the African, knowing he can sell those crops, buy new seeds and fertiliser and have money left over. You've shown him how to do all of this over 2 years.
>African instead goes and spends it all on a car and charms from the local village shaman and has no money left over to grow new crops
>Aid workers then end up having to come back
Like the aid workers have to specifically babysit these people to make sure they don't spend it all.

But still, if you're in a position of power to control an army, there are basic logics, even just knowing 'you'll get tired climbing a hill' can be applied. It's either lack of empathy or sophism.

>>65202119
Cao Cao wasn't the 'actual writer' he wrote a commentary on it. Sun Tzu is thought possibly not to exist because nobody had any record of Sun Tzu in records and thus concluded that his successor Sun Bin actually wrote it and retroactively applied it to Sun Tzu (as in, 'these are his ideas I'm just writing it down') but they discovered a tomb in like the 70's which had mention of both Sun Tzu and Sun Bin and this basically revealed there were two versions of The Art of War, one by Sun Tzu and one by Sun Bin, with the assumption Sun Bin expanded on Sun Tzu's and then the likes of Cao Cao commentated on them and simplified it even more and made it more practical.

The Art of War is more philosophical rather than practical, so Cao Cao took the practical points and expanded them.

>lure the black man into your enemies lands and be patient, victory is achieved with ease this way

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>>65202119
>>65202131
>>65202140
the average age of a medieval warrior was 25
Henry V was only 29 at Agincourt, and he was considered a thoroughly-seasoned commander of a large army
Oda Nobunaga was in his early 20s when he achieved control of the Oda Clan and defeated his relatives
that is very young to be able to lead armies with strategic and tactical maturity

if you
>play vidya
or team sports, or work in teams, you can see how immature people are if you don't give them any guidance whatsoever and just let them flounder around
no, they're not going to develop all the principles of war Sun Tzu mentioned on their own, even with the most earnest will

you'd be surprised, even at WCS Esports level, there are few pro players who truly understand tactics, most of them simply have memorised the maps, play tens of thousands of games, and developed their eye-hand coordination and quick calculation in a very specific game
there are a couple though who do understand the higher abstract concepts such as deception, operational tempo, and span of control

>>65202147
Long / short term orientation, and indulgence vs restraint, are two major cultural factors recognised in academia
yes they mean exactly what you think, and yes it explains what you describe

>>65202155
>The Art of War is more philosophical rather than practical
yes and no
they're broad guidelines, exactly like the high-level strategic guidelines that armies publish
compare for example picrel

>If you see women ahead expect deceit

>>65202131
You inherit that command due to your bloodline and don't think about going up hills being hard because you get carried around in a palanquin, you might know that you would get tired going up a hill, but that's the soldier's problem, not yours. People can and do also assume that honor, fighting spirit, and "being on the right side of history" (a surprisingly ancient concept) will make the world realign to grant them victory, and there are cases of otherwise very smart and powerful rulers doing exactly this. It takes effort to expunge magical thinking like that from military brass. Consider, if you will, all the effort it took to convince the US Army that guns that held more than one bullet at a time wouldn't just make soldiers waste ammo and stop aiming. Or all of the generals leading up to WW1 who very confidently asserted that cavalry and formations won wars and the machine gun was a meme.

>>65202172
>Not every battle is fought with a spear

>>65202179
Right but when you're faced with machine guns and artillery, people adapted and went
>Hang on this isn't working
People pretend that shit like WW1 was stagnant tactic wise but loads of shit was created to try and break the stalemate. From assault units to creeping barrages to tanks. The issue I have is the inability even after failure to learn from it and apply logic to it. If you burn your hand on a fire, don't touch fire. Even kids understand that. I can understand sycophants going
>Oh we lost due to X not your glorious leadership
And shit, but plenty of ancient battles had competent people on both sides, I just look at China's ancient military history and just shake my head at how you can fuck up that much with simple shit.

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>Open book on primary school mathematics
>Addition?!
>2+2=4?!
>4+4=8?!
>I knew all this! This book is useless!

>>65202186
>inability even after failure to learn from it and apply logic to it
firstly, there were too many factors affecting each battle to be able to learn empirically from it
study the development of tactics on both sides throughout WW2, especially how they figured out what had actually happened and how to counter it - it was an absolutely massive undertaking

secondly, strategic manuals like these were produced to educate novices and preserve knowledge. of course they appear elementary; they were designed to be. there were probably more detailed books on more specific tactics, but they're unfortunately lost to history.

>>65202187
precisely

>>65201116
seems obvious but you should also consider the fact that the vast majority of people out there are dangerously retarded.

>>65202180
>and not everyone can be taken from the rear

>>65201116
>Attacking the enemy side's civilians will not make them turn against their own rulers.

>>65202019
It's topical as long as military commanders keep fucking up the incredibly simple instructions.

>>65201116
The only surefire way to protect your nations sovereignty is with a nuclear deterrent.

>>65201116
If you see a suspicious doorbell in the woods, do not ring it.

>>65202238
This
Build a viable nuclear triad and early warning systems, don't invade your neighbors, then sit back and enjoy your peaceful, prosperous country. The whole book should be this one sentence.

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>>65201116
Air power alone cannot win wars, but no air power can lose you a war.

>before a campaign, get enough supplies for the campaign
>do not antagonize all your neighbors at the same time
Mein fuhrer...

My favorite Sun Tzu line, that I've actually applied, was something like "Your opponent's resources are worth two of your own." I forgot the exact quote, but it was basically that. If you're playing a Jungler in League of Legends, if you invade the enemy's jungle and steal their camps, you're getting richer while actively impoverishing the enemy.

>>65201116
>wars are won with a combination of intelligence and brute force

>>65202406
yeah I think that's a strategy that originated with multiplayer Warcraft, and since then via DOTA is a staple of MOBA games

>>65201116
Treat your branches like every other aspect of life: all things in moderation.

Charge your batteries overnight

>>65201116
Get your allies on the same page for an attack BEFORE you attack.
Accepting defeat at lower cost is better than being forced into defeat at a greater cost.
You go to war with the army you have, not the one you pretend to have for parades.
Don't let the enemy kill you in particular.

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>>65202489
>all things in moderation.
I can't compute this; I am an addictive personality haver. I actively avoid new experiences because God forbid I like whatever it is I discover. Moderation goes out the window if that happens.

The Art of War was an attempt to make stupid leaders into good leaders and it fails because you can't.
If a leader has to be told basic things like:
>attack if you are stronger than your enemy
he should not be in charge of anyone let alone soldiers
>but you can't put smart guy in charge because the dumb guy is prince
you find a smart prince or you nullify the impact of the stupid prince by pretending to carry out his orders. or just make sure the idiot dies for some reason which shouldn't be too difficult

>>65201116
If you use conscripts or mercenaries, make sure its harder for them to kill you than your enemy, because your enemy is not nesessarily their enemy.

If you are a compelled to fight, consider the inverse

>>65202131
Even the smartest of us can only use what we learn in our lives, and these guys were bronze age warlords who didnt even have the socratic method. Their ability to gather and interpret information rationally was culturally hamstrung. Im sure they knew not to fight when their army was exhausted in principle, but honor and sunk cost and "clever" thinking lead to interesting mistakes when you arent objective about things. Also when you dont learn the terrain or deploy scouts and skirmishers, or expect the enemy to fight where and how it's convenient for you personally

>King Helü of Wu, having heard of Sun Wu's Art of War, summoned him to the palace and asked him to demonstrate his ability to train soldiers by training the king's harem of 180 concubines into soldiers.
>Sun Tzu was said to have divided them into two companies, appointing the two concubines most favored by the king as the company commanders, and proceeded to give them orders, which they ignored, instead breaking out into laughter.
>Over the king's protestations, Sun Tzu then had the two concubines executed, at which the rest of the "soldiers" began to behave at once, and the king appointed Sun Wu as a general.

idk why they left this bit out of the revised edition

>>65201116
TEMPO, TEMPO, TEMPO.

>>65203187
as i recall it
>when the women ignored the orders and laughed, Sun explained to the king that when soldiers don't follow orders, it might be because they don't understand. so he repeated the instructions again, making sure everything was clear.
>when they again ignored the orders just as the first time, he explained to the king that if soldiers don't obey orders even after repetition and clarification, it must be the officers' fault.
hence the execution

>>65202131
You'll be surprised at how many accounts of ancient and medieval battles start with the armies just stumbling into each other. Implying that neither side bothered to scout despite how obvious a piece of advice it would be, and presumably even if the general was a veteran supported by a council of other veterans their plan was literally to just straight to march somewhere and YOLO. After all, the idea of a truly professional and educated commander didn't really exist until the Napoleonic period. For the Romans, your legate might be a man with good ideas and experience who listens to his tribunes and read some classics on war. If you're unlucky, you might get an absolute retard. Meanwhile, a medieval army was also a mixed bag. You might get someone who cares, but then again you might get someone who thinks that all you need to do is mount a glorious charge with your fellow knights, and tactics is for cowards.

>>65203193
VIOLENCE OF ACTION

>>65203422
>many accounts of ancient and medieval battles start with the armies just stumbling into each other
useful to note however that the ancients' definition of "stumbling into each other" and ours is different, due to the advances in communications and therefore scouting
the ancient definition of "stumbling into each other" was more like
>we thought the enemy was 2 weeks' march away but it turns out they are 3 days' march away, we have no choice but to fight

this was an era where armies moved at a crawl, supply lines could rarely be more than a week away from the nearest major city, and communications was bounded by the speed and range of a fast horse

>>65202131
>ask questions to this corpse like
>O' Great One how do I make more crops this year
>and then their own brain would go
>Maybe I plant more crops
>And they would think that the corpse GAVE THEM this idea, that they didn't think it, but were given this by somebody else.

That's how prayer is supposed to work. It's reflection through internal dialogue, which is itself evidence of an "internal monologue".

>>65203447
No, I mean what I said.

>>65201568
hey putin

>>65202172
>In war you just fight like a man but think like a woman

>>65202406
But no war was won relying on enemy supplies

>if you cannot make your opponent open a strait, blockade it. then YOU are the one closing it.

>>65201945
the only thing that's missing is running over a mine after showing enough of a reaction to evade it

>>65203187
>>65203255
>He invented pimp slapping a bitch 5000 years ago

If you kill your enemies, you win.

>>65202792
>an attempt to make stupid leaders into good leaders and it fails because you can't.
It's a laudable attempt anyway.

>>65202131
I agree with your take. I think the problems with command were probably organizational in nature

>why didn't you fight from the hill?
>because there weren't any topographic maps in the year -1000 jackass. and my armies scouts are just some guys I know who ride horses really well, because we don't have a deep structure for task delegation and most officers are just rich fucks

Sun Tzu says
>It is OK to lose 80%:of your troops in a river crossing. Expected, even.

>>65201116
0. America Fuck Yah

Why anyone finds his work in some way profound is way beyond me. I wish I was around for all the super basic (and apparent) ideas, would have been easy.

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>>65201131
>Rapes your drones.

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>>65201945
>If you need to stop for a hazard, realize that the braking distance is only one part of stopping. The three parts of total stopping distance are: 1. Perception distance, 2: Reaction distance, 3: Braking distance. You can reduce risk by improving each part of total stopping distance. Consider using greater visual lead times and distances when riding in unfamiliar or hazardous areas.

>Swerving refers to an emergency procedure where you change direction quickly to the right or left. Your initial press should be firm enough to cause the motorcycle to lean quickly before you press to steer into the direction of the swerve. Do not look at what you are trying to miss and have a clear path for the swerve back.

Now observe the demonstrations by RiderCoaches Mobikov and Roosternik for the importance of the 4 second urgent time and execution of the swerve.

>>65202131
Never underestimate any enemy you face even if all the advantages are with you because there’s always something you can’t control that will happen

A commander who walks through airport security sideways is going to Bankok.

>>65201116
Dude, you need to understand that this book was written when Emperors though that drinking vast quantities of mercury was the key to eternal life. Looking under that optic you could see the geniality behind that book.

>>65201945
The Russian is half asian and half nigger. He can steal bike, but not ride it

not a single post itt that isn't either a joke, dumb or already in the art of war.

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>>65203626
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M PONTOOOOOOOOOOOOONIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGG

>65204128
great addition faggot

>>65204128
mine was serious, prescient, and sun tsu didn't know what a nuclear deterrent was

Sun Tzu says
>Putting dick on lips isn't gay if it's not consentual

>if the enemy is there, they could also be somewhere else.