>rapes your drones.
Bet?
>>65205215Bet.
>>65205212>2 hellfires just for funsies. Couldn't just throw another APKWS pod on it?
>>65205285M-SHORAD predates APKWS, those are Stinger missilesPicrel is its modern counterpart
>>65205285Pretty sure the newest version is just 8 Stingers.
>>65205285>>65205289But also, yes, it's modular.It can also fit rails to launch AIM-9s
>>65205285The 2 Hellfires got fucked by vibrations so were pretty useless. They got removed in 2025 and replaced with another 4 pod of Stingers. Like >>65205307 said.
>>65205315Wait how do they function on helicopters than?
>>65205334>Mounted externally on the Stryker chassis, the Hellfires were subjected to constant vibration, environmental exposure, and rough terrain, which led to wear and tear on the missiles and raised safety concernsGuess OSHA got involved.
>>65205334By getting a maintenance check after every mission. The vibrations issues on the Stryker were from multiple-day deployments and harsh roadmarches plus terrain crossing.
>>65205289>>65205315Needs APKWS and Stinger. Stinger is arguably overkill for aome threats.
This shitbox won't be able to do anything against modern FPV drones
>>65205377Because?
>>65205212Shhh let the stupid Chinese toy drone niggers keep their delusions
>>65205381Have you seen the modern footage of how drones are used? They are too small to be targeted with a missile, which is one of the main reasons why russian Pantsirs fail in shooting down drones btw. The small size also fucks up any change of easily identifying them visually. Thermals don't help either, unlike with Shahed type drones.They are too agile to easily shoot them down with an auto-cannon with manual targeting. Automated targeting can theoretically solve the issue but once again it comes down to the fire control system, ammo, radars and everything like that. Some AA systems can't even track the cannon fast enough to deal with how agile FPVs are IRL (vs staged demonstrations).
>>65205371the stryker lrds in that pic has an APKWS pod>>65205396>They are too small to be targeted with a missilethat's what the gun is for
other stryker based SHORAD/C-UAS platforms are available
>>65205406That's the point, the demo video doesn't show real world drone flying.
>>65205411I'm fairly confident that a radar cued turret could get an airburst 30mm round close enough to an FPV to knock it out of the sky without much difficulty. It doesn't have to be a direct hit, or even a near miss. It's a lot of boom for such a small target.
>>65205417You're seriously underestimating just how agile and fast those little bitches are. To the point that if would be able to do laps around the AA system and the gun won't be able to catch up to the target.
>>65205423Which is why you do everything in your power to shoot it before it can get that close.At that point you're probably relying on your APS and armor
>>65205423So we put a separate CROWS with a 240 on top of the CROWS with the Bushmaster.Rotational speed just doubled.
>>65205431
>>65205423>the gun won't be able to catch up to the targetI think you're also vastly underestimating how fast you can move a remote turret. A Phalanx weighs a hell of a lot more than an M230
>>65205417>Switch on radar>Now everyone knows where you are with a valuable anti-drone asset>500 drones co-ordinate to overwhelm your defense within 20 minutesYou are seriously underestimating how many fucking drones are going to be on a peer battlefield in 5 years. Ukraine and Russia are two clapped out retards fumbling at each other and they are chucking thousands of drones of all types at each other daily. Maybe tens of thousands.Call me a dronefag if you like.
>>65205612That's why you put the datalinked turrets on literally everything from pickups to MBTsRadar also isn't the only acquisition method they have
>>65205212The US should seriously look into purchasing at least 700 of those to build some surplus in case it needs to donate some to allied nations.
This kind of casual arrogance usually leads to very humiliating hubris.
send it to the israelis so we can see them shoot themself with it.
>>65205285They actually replaced the Hellfires for more Stingers because troops were having difficulty lugging the Hellfire missiles to the top of the vehicle.
>>65205212The Stryker is the coolest type of ever and I've been in love with it ever since MW2's mission 'Exodus.'
>>65205663the pot calls the kettle nigger.
>>65205690May we see how it performs in an actual drone-heavy environment? Isn't it a trend to send stuff for field testing in Ukraine, both NATO and chink gear?
>>65205212I am reminded of footage of wheeled vehicles such as the stryker struggling to move across a ditch while a tank treaded vehicle traveled across it without issue.
>>65205612>500 dronesYou have no idea how drones work, retard. There's this thing called 'bandwidth congestion'. You can have 6-8 in an area, not 500. Show me a single attack in Ukraine, by either side, where 500 drones attack a single target at once. It should be so easy to find since it's so easy to do, right? I mean you just said it, right?
>>65205334By the helicopters not being Russian to the point of having withdrawal shakes.
>>65205212>drones your rape
>>65205285APKWS is such a cringe name, do they hire indians to come up with acronyms now?
>>65205212This shit looks like a convoluted mess. What's the logistical trail for this thing with all these different types of ammo?
>>65205733Cheap Russian and Ukrainian drones using manually piloted FPVs with commercial hardware have that problem. American (and German and Chinese and other) high end drones instead put all the drones as computers on a network over manet radio and can run hundreds under the oversight of a single human commander. We know the commercial cap is about 512 with companies like Silvus or Doodle.
>>65206118It's from 2010-2012 so it was invented before the Indian invasion took off.
>>65206173Literally not a problem for the US.
>>65205733NTA but why not? They use heaps of them in those aerial lighting displays, so just because Russia and Ukraine haven't yet doesn't mean no one will.
>>65206232Those aerial displays are typically preprogrammed, not streaming data. They have nothing to do with military use.
>>65205212I truly don't believe there is a chance in hell these things would survive in a Ukraine war like condition. You have at most 4-8 missiles on standby, chain gun, and EW, ok.Now defend against 20 FPV's coming at you all at once, and now they have AI terminal tracking. The burnt out heaps of these things will be lining the roads and defense megacorp suits will be scratching their heads going "well uhh in testing it shot down the drones just fine!"
>>65205285I’m glad that they tried putting the hellfires there, because that thing with hellfires tends to be pretty overpowered in the like three RTS games that include it, just because it can cheekily pop a tank if it has to. In real life that’s definitely not nearly as necessary, and it didn’t seem to work very well.
>>652053341) hellfires stay mounted to a helicopter for a couple of hours of flight maximum, as opposed to being trucked through the desert for weeks or months at a time2) helicopters are ideally not being constantly blasted by dust and “heavy” debris (rocks)3) helicopters remain a much smoother ride than an IFV, as evidenced by rich people flying around in helicopters and not tending to drive around in IFVs (someone post that one soviet luxury BMP)
>>65205396>>65205411>>65205423Good thing even old-ass Bradleys have laser track. FPV pilots are limited by camera FOV and battery life, they can't afford constant evasive maneuvers nor can they see and elude every target at once. Be it star forts, 5"/38 VT or the mechanized platoon seen here, mutually overlapping fields of fire make an assault far harder than whiteboxed 1v1 scenadios indicate.
It seems that the ability to deflection shooting will not be enough to intercept drones that scurry around like flies.
>>65205733OK this is really silly. For one thing, a huge percentage of quality, dangerous drones America would reasonably encounter are going to be fiber optic, not on any sort of bandwidth. The US was actually attacked by hundreds upon hundreds of small drones across their recent conflicts, and had almost no issue with them because they were wireless in the US is really good at jamming things. Post Ukraine though, everyone now knows that fiber optic is the way to go as long as you can afford and support it, so those are going to be the ones presenting the greatest threat. Secondly, even if this wasn’t the case, it takes like a trillion million drones to completely white out a locations bandwidth. The real issue with this sort of extreme saturation attack is that who on earth is going to be sending that many drones at a stryker or Bradley? Certainly no insurgents. Certainly not Iran. Maybe if we land invade China this could be some sort of a problem, but even then that seems extremely wasteful. Russia wants to win Ukraine about as badly as anybody could want to win anything and we’re not seeing Ukrainian vehicles get swarmed by more than like two drones at the same time
Ignorant question: are there any blindspots in the lower periphery, and would a drone be able to fly close to the ground to approach one of these? I've seen quadcopters get pretty low when chasing mobiks, but I wouldn't know if the ordinance those FPVs carry would be enough to threaten something like this.
>>65205212Gun: 200 rpm, 30 mm chaingun that fires 30x113 at 800 m/s. No water cooling. So overall, very poor burst and very poor fire endurance. Missiles: stinger (manportable very short range ground to air) and hellfire (1980s laser marker guided missile). Armor: nonexistant. Putting manpads on a vehicle is almost as dumb as putting a mortar on a vehicle. That IR guided iranian missile they fire from tiny toy trucks is several times larger than a stinger and has double the ceiling. This entire vehicle is a fine testament to the lack of engineering ability in America.
>>65205212Gee, why didn't Ukraine or Russia just think to use the autocannons on the metric fuckton of IFVs both sides have to invalidate drones? How silly of them.
>>65205212There are air, land, sea surface, under water and soon underground drones. Anything that is not a drone, is not a military vehicle. It is a target.
>>65205411>That's the point, the demo video doesn't show real world drone flying.Pointless to explain to those that do not understand. I've seen a similar idiot video of "drone defeating" on swedish government TV. It was a tridon naval turret firing at a hovering FPV drone. Its desinformation for the rubes along the lines of "look, we have anti drone capabilities" so FPV drones wont be a problem for us like they are for the ukrainan monkeys! Sweden bought about 70 air cooled tridon turrets on pallets for about 900 million dollars. Complete waste of money. We also bought 40 new tanks for 2.2 billion dollars. An even worse waste of money. This grift makes more sense if you realize that these weapons are only for show, they are never meant to be used, and the people who are supposed to be impressed by them are equally clueless civilians, both foreign and domestic. They just have to look cool and imposing. The problems start when the civilians in your government actually believe their own lies and decide to go to war somwhere. Then the corpses and wrecks start to pile up as these turn out to be just stage props sold at a massive mark up cost.
>>65205733>You have no idea how drones work, retard. There's this thing called 'bandwidth congestion'. You can have 6-8 in an area, not 500So these chingchong videos of several hundred drones doing coordinated air manuevers as a kind of drone fireworks are just fake computer animations? You may not realize it but the ukie-russian drone war is done with civilian toy gear. Low end civilian toy gear. They use simple shit antennas similar to those on your wi fi router .
>sends another drone
>>65206850>So these chingchong videos of several hundred drones doing coordinated air manuevers as a kind of drone fireworks are just fake computer animations?are you retarded? these are pre-programmed flights. and even if they aren't, having your drones do set maneuvers to awe bystanders a lot different than having them kill people.for the record, I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or not, but you must have been dropped on the head to think what you said was useful at all.
>>65205612>>65205411Perfect illustration of how deluded dronefags are lmao>somehow the enemy has 500 drones>all of them charged and ready to go>all of them close enough to hit the stryker>just waiting there>not being used for anything else>also the stryker is alone>also theyre super fast and you can't hit them>also they have an anti-everything shield so you cant destroy them WAAAAHHHH
>>65206889>are you retarded? these are pre-programmed flights.The drones in these displays are acting as voxels (3d pixels) controlled by a central computer. Do you think a hundred chinks manually program waypoints into these drones? Its just one chink at a computer. These drones use packet switched data networks, the single channel low end toy trones that the ukies and russians use are not designed to be used in a signal congested area. They also use very low end civilian antennas that beam everywhere. Look, how do you think your cell phone works? In a city there are thousands of cell phones per tower antenna sector. How do all these cell phones manage to provide datalinks at the same time? How fucking daft are you when you dont even know how your phone works? >for the record, I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or not, but you must have been dropped on the head to think what you said was useful at all.I like your attitude. That is why am wholesale for NATO intervention on the ground in Iran or Ukraine. We have too many stupid males with small brains, big egos and big mouths stealing air and making noises irritating better people than them. I want to have the worst of them culled. A ground invasion of Iran is just what we need. Uuuuh-raaaah!
Well, we're waiting. Wasn't Israel supposed to have stuff that made drones obsolete like a decade ago?
>>65206965>somehow the enemy has 500 dronesYou have no idea about the realities of the battlefield. Just like individual people do have 40+ mags with them. People do have 500 drones as a units operating in an area.>all of them charged and ready to goYes, that's how people prepare. Nobody charges a drone under fire in a trench.>all of them close enough to hit the stryker"Close enough" is an oxymoron for FPV drones. They can be 10 miles away and will easily cross the distance in no time at all because of their speed. You do realize they easily go over 100 mph?>just waiting there>not being used for anything elseYes, some of them are even already laying on the battlefield propped up and ready to go. The so called "ambush drones".>also the stryker is aloneIf it's "not alone", then it just means there are more targets for drones to hit.>also theyre super fast and you can't hit themYes, there's a reason why it's so hard to solve the issue. >also they have an anti-everything shield so you cant destroy them WAAAAHHHHMost of the EW is just bullshit jamming, which is easily solved by autonomous targeting (already a thing if a bit less prominent) and fiber optic based drones.
>>65206889>I have no idea if the bandwith shit is true or notIt's technically "true" in a very specific and narrow type of shit. Historically, FPV drones have used analogue video streams for piloting because analogue video could be streamed with the smallest delay/latency possible, since there would be no processing overhead and such. You got shitty video quality, but it made things easily to maneuver at high speed. Because the alternative was to digitize the video, encode it (big yikes), send it in digital form, decode it (big yikes again) and then finally display it for the pilot. And well, analogue video takes up a ton of frequency bandwidth, so it's hard to have more than a handful of streams active at the same moment. I.e. this is only or the video stream, not for drone control or anything else. And this doesn't mean it's an unsolvable issue. For once, digital streams are no longer that big of an issue like they were before. How do you think long-range drones operate? They do digital streams instead. Fiber optic drones also do digital and don't give a shit. But even more so there are ways to drop the video quality and squeeze in more streams into the available bandwidth. There are also autonomous flights paths and shit, where you launch a drone and it first has to reach the battlefield, which is does by itself, and only then you do a "hot seat" swap to actually pilot it on the final approach, then you switch to another, thus the analogue bandwidth is used only during the "final hunt" part.>a lot different than having them kill peopleNot really. People already do automatic target detection and acquisition, automatic guidance (both overall and in cases the signal is lost during manual control), auto-piloting and mission planning, even obstacle avoidance and maneuvering is being coded in right now. Just because they don't share all the details publicly doesn't mean the state of the drone things are the same as they were in March of 2022.
>>65205212wunderwaffe n. 457.will end up like the other 456 ofc.
>>65205396> Because Russian can't do somethings..That means nothing.
>>65205643He's russian, that's far beyond unknown technology level to them.
