If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan? What sort of force would he necessary, what initial objectives would be? Potential insurgency by the ROC in the eastern mountains?
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>>65209335I wouldn’t. I’d just post tsmc engineers more to make a foundry in china. >>65209343Elegant
>>65209345What’s a tsmc engineer? Are we betting on industrial accidents to push the party into an invasion? Tracked Stamp presses rolling ashore to crush the ROK? Fascinating idea.
>>65209335i wouldn't. I'd immediately cease hostilities, normalize relations, and in 75 more years when they're no longer hostile offer them a seat in governance.
>>65209335The import thing is to get boots on the ground quick, so I'd save up a huge stockpile of weapons to bombard Taiwan as I launch the assault. Also long range ASuW weapons to deter any nation from supporting Taiwan, and ballistic to strike their bases. But the main focus is a solid foothold of Taiwan at any cost, once we can support our troops due to sheer numbers and amount of weaponry we should be able to take the island. Once the Island is ours no one would be able to take it from us, and if allies declare war against us they will only be able to bitch and moan.
>>65209335Stockpile a ridiculous amount of missiles and drones, hold "naval exercises" to mass landing troops nearby, have 5th columnists start violent protests, use the police response as my causus belli, stealth fighter strike major radar and communication facilities, send huge waves of drones to take a massive shit on the coastal defenders, zerg rush my landing troops to establish a beach head, roll from there.Establishing air dominance is where the whole thing succeeds or fails. If the landings get stalled then everything will go to shit, and they absolutely will get stalled if the initial air ops don't overcome the Taiwanese air force and ADA. The whole thing HAS to have developed unstoppable momentum before Taiwan can appeal to allies. If it looks like Taiwan can put in even half the competent resistance that Ukraine gave Russia then I drop biological agents on the fuckers and start flattening and burning the urban centers. The island of Formosa will return to Party control, with or without its inhabitants.
>>65209567Based
>>65209553>>65209567Would the current Iran/US situation be an example in bombardment and air superiority? It seemed the us is either unwilling to go all the way or incapable of suppressing the units launching these weapons, and still at risk by anti air weapons. Could China feasibly establish beachheads and those mulberry harbor things if in this situation? Is sead still possible in this era?
>>65209335>If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?I would not invade Taiwan. I would invade the Philippines.
>>65209599>It seemed the us is either unwilling to go all the way or incapable of suppressing the units launching these weapons, and still at risk by anti air weaponsTrump got suckered into fighting a tarbaby by the Israelis. Regime change is a fantasy. The US has no "go all the way" option because a land invasion is even more of a fantasy.
>>65209621>>65209599Ayatollah status? That's what I thought, silly turdies. Go eat shit (I know it's a delicacy in your Muslim shithole)
>>65209667What the fuck are you even talking about
>>65209677Did you miss your ESL lessons Abdul?
>>65209667Your inability to see the situation for what it is doesn't change the facts. The US involvement in the Iran campaign was ill-advised, costly, and has achieved nothing of value. Domestically the inflation caused by the war is hurting everyday Americans. Strategically the US has depleted critical munitions stocks without achieving any lasting goals. Internationally the US acting unilaterally, being spurned by allies, then asking China for help (and not getting it) made the US look weak and eroded goodwill. Politically the Iranian war has caused divisions and rancor within the Republican party and given the Democrats a drum to beat in the mid terms. Trump is caught between the "no more foreign adventures" crowd and the "we have not done enough for Israel" crowd in his own party, and is exhibiting a paralysis of leadership. The House just voted to pull Trump's ability to wage war, and even if the Senate rejects it that is a huge message to Trump that this is an unpopular war. His negotiations have been "close to a deal" for weeks. He can't just walk away from this and let them take his name off of it like the Kennedy Center. He owns this, and it's not going well.Brag about a dead ayatolla all you want. Brag about a piece of shit converted container ship being sunk. Brag about a fleet of grounded F-14s being destroyed. Blow the dust off the "the politicians wouldn't let our boys fight to win" excuse. The Iran war is not going to give the US a decisive win and has tarnished the shine of the USN, which is going to be disastrous in the long term.
>>65209553Also, has the Ukraine war changed your views on airborne or air mobile operations like we saw in the opening days of the invasion? Would helicopter or parachute infantry taking key routes and airports be feasible/something considered, or is anti air a roadblock?
>>65209726I used to believe that as an air assault soldier I'd die on the LZ. Now I believe that I'd die in the helo before I got anywhere near the LZ.
>>65209553 >But the main focus is a solid foothold of Taiwan at any costSaunds like Ukraine kino
>>65209567> If it looks like Taiwan can put in even half the competent resistance that Ukraine gave Russia then I drop biological agents on the fuckers and start flattening and burning the urban centers. The island of Formosa will return to Party control, with or without its inhabitants.Cringe and vatnik-brained.Avoid all the war crimes and attacks on civilians, offer unconditional amnesty to all Taiwanese government/military personnel if they stop resisting, broadcast to the populace that nothing about their lives will change except the upper management, run the "one country, two systems" deal for a couple of decades, until eventually assimilating them like Hong Kong.But that requires the CCP not to be vatniks, which they are.
>>65209335Literally just wait, there won't be anyone left on taiwan in a few decades due to their birth rates, whatever vietnamese of jeet labour force they bring in to fill the gaps will flee on the first day of fighting
I wouldn't say a single word to them, I would listen.
>>65209769Is the will to resist really there? If it’s a spectrum, from immediate surrender when they see the mainland is serious all the way to “To the last bullet, to the last man”, where do you see them falling?
>>65209778A party member is talking, listen and learn.
>>65209769I firmly believe that China does not need to invade Taiwan, but the OP was asking how to do it.
>>65209335>how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?Nukes>that doesn’t make any sense whatsoeveridc, I want things to happen
>>65209784It’s difficult to judge those things before they happen. There wasn’t much will in oinkraine to resist ziggers (fucking dress uniforms??) and today it’s the fifth year of war.
1 option>wait until SMIC or Huawei develop a better litography machines than ASML and bankrupt Taiwan economy by selling cheaper chips2 option>naval and air exercises every month even during typhon seasons to prop their defenses for months, send drones to violate their air space everyday>keep it for days while acquire intel and build a 5th column inside Taiwan specially with the KMT, also build the most gargantum stockpile of missiles and drones>SEAD and throw everything at them, destroy everything that has any military value and cannot be take in the first hours of the invasion>send a few hundreds SOFs with weapons and explosive disguise as tourist to destroy radars and AA systems
Whatever the plan, it includes cannibalism. Chinese plans always include cannibalism.
>>65209335Start with a massive SEAD / DEAD / CAP air op to secure air superiority and blockade the ports from the air.From there I would probably try dropping leaflets saying it's a losing war and your government is going to die but there is no reason for you to die with them.Then launch a 2 prong landing along the east coast.
>>65209852The plans don't include cannibalism, that's just a side effect or them not including logistics either.
>>65209335How deep is the Taiwan Strait anyway? Could West Taiwan just dam it with human corpses and simply walk over?
>>65209777Uh oh, stinky!
>>65209777Yes bro they'll flee a fucking island under siege, genius
>>65209916See, this is complicated. The bugman land bridge would be necessary for actual deployment onto Taiwan, yet would cut into the supply of dual purpose ration/infantry units available. There’s probably something in the art of war about this.
Nothing wrong with eating your enemy
>>65209917Even in that scenario china will have more fighting age men than there are whites in the world, meanwhile taiwan will have what, 4 million people in total? Also taiwan is aging faster than china
>>65209611I would invade Korea. North then south.
>>65209953only retards would invade all you need is to blockade them and wait it works since the ancient times
>>65209987>>65209777That scenario is actually massively over optimistic considering it projects as if things are ever going to "even out". Optimistic fools look at a .5 birthrate and say "in 100 years of .5 birthrates we'll have X population!", when it's not going to stop going down, if anything it's going to go down faster and faster. Couple that with the fact that the only people breeding in China are not Han, they're not metropolitan, and they're not going to transmogrify into either via the Monkey King's 72 transformations.
>>65209599No, the US is terrified of losing planes and ships and lives against Iran, if we want to take Taiwan we need to accept at the start we could face some decent losses. The biggest worry would be failing to take Taiwan quickly, as that'd give time for America and others to place greater forces/defences in the area. Once we capture Taiwan the US will not be able to take it off of us due to its proximity with the mainland.>>65209726No, they are always perilous, but some times necessary. We need to overwhelm Taiwan by putting as many bodies on the island.>>65209752Yeah, could go very wrong, but if we want to take it I see that as the best method. If the US swarms the area with assets and puts manpower of Taiwan, it would be a very long painful war of attrition which in my eyes should be avoided.
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>>65210178Minorities can and do join the military as a way to move up socially
>>65210355lmao
>>65209335The PLA needs a complete force restructuring before it can be considered a competent and capable modern military. As it stands now, they have zero strategies that will lead to success and zero potential tech/equipment acquisitions that could lead to success, because the PLA has such deeply rooted systemic problems and Taiwan is inherently a tough nut to crack.>>65209345They've spent an absolute fortune on semiconductor tech and production, including poaching engineers from virtually every company, but they're still like a decade behind and the gap is widening. The US sanctions have actually crippled their semiconductor fab plans, and with the Dutch being fully on board or even more aggressive than the USA, that's not going to change>>65209540The problem is that the chinese are increasingly realizing that's not going to happen. As time goes on and people grow ever more distant from the time when the countries were united, reunification will be increasingly unwanted by the Taiwanese and to a lesser degree the mainlanders too. It doesn't help that Xi is currently setting conditions for China to destabilize somewhat after he dies (purging all possible successors, allowing infrastructure to languish, pursuing unsustainable public works and military projects, etc)>>65209987Numbers really do not matter in this scenario, honestly. When your task is to ferry men across a sea to assault a fortified island with only 3 viable landing points, you can only do so much at a time. This is exacerbated by the fact that the Chinese plan is genuinely what people mock them for: to commandeer a bunch of fishing boats and use them as troop transports. Those would be slow, fat, and completely defenseless; a perfect hunting ground for munitions of all kinds.Even once they land, the geography of Taiwan is extremely unfavorable for an attacker, pic related. It is arguably the most defensible large island in the world.
>>65209724>costlypffftttt
>>65209724Yeah yeah we get it, you get all your news from thirdie twitter feeds and take everything they say at face value. Honestly I'm not even sure how you come to some of these conclusions even with those thirdie feeds - "tarnished the shine of the USN" like what, why?
>>65211123The eastern half looks incredibly unpleasant to attack. As an addendum to what you’ve said, has China actually fought any in conflict since the Vietnam invasion? Even then I don’t think that one went particularly well either and that’s a shared land border.
>>65209553The US and its allies spent like a month bombing Iraq in the 90s prior to the actual land invasion. Maybe do that instead of following the Ukraine playbook.
>>65209335>>>this is going to sound retarded, because it is,but I would invest heavily in glider forces and unmanned puller-planesI would also invest in semi-submersible landing craft, again controlled remotely rather than crewed
>>65211276>The eastern half looks incredibly unpleasant to attack.Very. I was just there recently for vacation actually - here's what it looks like from the ground. It is effectively impassable for heavy equipment, and even for personal vehicles it is perilous to navigate through the highland roads. Also, those three viable landing points I mentioned? One of them is that hemmed-in triangular pocket at the top of the image on the east side - so really, it's just 2 landing points, and one of those is basically just a head-on assault on Taipei.>has China actually fought any in conflict since the Vietnam invasion? Even then I don’t think that one went particularly well either and that’s a shared land border.No, and it is possibly because of that Vietnam invasion, which was a catastrophic failure and a massive embarrassment that reduced their power projection in the region. Since then, China has avoided military intervention of any kind outside of its own borders (some limited Uyghur antiterrorism ops, but those are more like SWAT raids than anything else). Sometimes this hesitancy to intervene is to a comical extent, such as refusing to deploy assets to protect its shipping in the Red Sea from Houthi attacks, and a while back there was an incident where a Chinese UN peacekeeping regiment basically just let a bunch of aid workers die because they were afraid to confront some disorganized African militia, and even retreated from said militia. To me, it's a clear pattern of trying to avoid real engagements that could betray a quality of troops and equipment that is far lower than they claim, but that's just speculation. What isn't speculation is the fact that China has zero modern-day combat experience whatsoever. To be fair, neither does Taiwan, but unlike Taiwan, China also has a pants-on-head retarded military structure, with their infantry being particularly stupid.
>>65209335There's no need for an invasion at all. I'd reunify the country simply by acknowledging its rightful government.
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>>65211293If you doing that you are letting the US build up their forces in the region. Fighting the US and Taiwan is much harder than trying to rush Taiwan.
China now has two contemporary examples of a great power launching a war in the belief it would be quick and easy, getting that part wrong and the resulting fiasco becoming a quagmire that drains blood, treasure and influence. Regardless of the specific tactics or operations decided upon, China needs any such military approach to Taiwan to be swift and decisive, and thus needs to be brutally honest and even pessimistic about itself and the prospects of victory. Because if Taiwan rebuffs the initial assault we will be three for three. They come at the king, they best not miss. Can they be so accurate in their assessment of success? No idea.
>>65209335China’s most likely strategy would be to wait for a moment of maximum U.S. distraction, most plausibly during a contentious American election, then launch a massive, overwhelming “zerg rush” of missiles, drones, and invasion forces against Taiwan.Speed is everything. If Chinese forces can seize key airports and ports in the first 48-72 hours, they can airlift in reinforcements and shift the balance decisively. But if the initial assault stalls and they end up crammed into a small, vulnerable beachhead, the operation risks collapse. In that scenario, their resupply ships would become high-value targets for Taiwanese and American strikes, potentially dooming the entire campaign.Unlike Russia’s improvisational invasion of Ukraine, China is not winging this. Decades of dedicated planning, stockpiling, and force-building have gone into a Taiwan contingency. Beijing will almost certainly only pull the trigger when it believes it has several times the minimum forces and equipment required for success.For Taiwan, the single best (though difficult) outcome would be the removal of Xi Jinping. If a rival faction within the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regained power, they would likely spend years consolidating control and purging Xi loyalists. Those factions have historically prioritized economic growth over military adventurism. Their long-term vision for “reunification” has always been to make mainland China so prosperous and powerful that Taiwan would eventually choose integration for economic reasons rather than being forced into it by war.
>>65211408Hey retard, you can't mass forces on (mainland) shore in 48-72 hours. No matter what, the invasion will have weeks if not months of observable buildup, and probably plenty of warning of specific plans via espionage. There is no surprise attack, it's a fantasy that falls apart when you consider the actual logistics of waging a war - and logistics are, of course, the heart of a successful military.
>>65211373So don’t let them build up. The Chinese have masses of long range anti ship missiles for this very reason.
>>65211301POV: you're a chinese mobikwhat do?
>>65211520Use my vastly superior air force, huge number or satellites and own much, much larger arsenal of drones to scout positions before sending in armored vehicles?
>>65211538Anon, I'm the guy who took that photo, so let me tell you - that environment is pretty dense jungle. Obscuring positions and even equipment from air recon, including thermal-equipped assets, would not be difficult.>>65211519>A massive surprise attack on the US navy, forcing the US to enter a full scale war against yousurely this will have no consequences whatsoever, Mr. Hirohito
>>65209335>If you were the military leadership of the PRC, how would you go about an invasion of Taiwan?I would not attempt it.
>>65211587>surely this will have no consequences whatsoever, Mr. HirohitoTrump licked Xi's nuts tenfold during his visit. He even bought 12 trillion dollars with all the CEOs and the chinese only bought 300 planes to placate America. The Chinese don't give a fuck about America and see them as a failing empire. Under Trump, America is weak and Xi will strike during the 2028 election. I will be called a shill for this but look at everything Trump is doing and tell me that he's strengthining America's position against China and not weakening it with a straight face.
>>65209335Why would I invade my own clay?
>>65211378The crossing and initial invasion alone will almost certainly be a bloodbath of ridiculous proportions, even if successful. The next steps being, if landing on the west coast, a slog through dense urban areas, closely spaced villages, and wide open flats of farmland. I’m not an expert at all, but this seems like a real quagmire if the ROC military puts up a competent fight. God forbid the eastern half, would probably be better served just starving them out or going the suribachi route.
>>65211587It’s not WW2 anymore. America’s the one fighting a much larger industrial power this time around.
>>65211414You just keep that build up happening for months and months if not years.Right now Chinese ships regularly fire missiles over Taiwan and surround it every few months. When they do it they also do larger and larger ground exercises and send their airforce closer and closer to the target cities.You get why they are doing this over and over. It is designed to mask the time they will do it for real. You can expect a crescendo of these training exercises leading up to the invasion. Anyway even if you have good Intel that the attack might come in the upcoming weeks what are you going to do? Attack china in a preventive strike and be seen as the agressor? I don't think so.Everyone will know that the attack could be coming in the near future but being sure exactly when is much harder. The Chinese will definetly have a big diplomatic smokescreen too.
>>65211371I don't think you understand. The Republic of China (aka "Taiwan") is the rightful government of all of China. If I were in charge of the PLA and tasked with reunification, I would simply support the country's legitimate government.
>>65211809It's not WW2 anymore. Having massive low tech industrial output doesn't win wars against technologically superior foes.>>65211842The kind of invasion force needed to capture Taiwan is many times larger than any exercise, and would be identified as such. If they tried doing it with few enough men that it could be called a big exercise, well, take a look at the russian performance in the opening stages of the war to see how that went. And then think about how much easier they had it, invading flat terrain in a neighbor they share a large border with and already have proxy militias in.
>>65211842I don't think it is particularly practical to keep a couple of million soldiers activated and drilling in exercises for months if not years on end, n or is it practical to have the logistics capacity to ship all those bodies and their sustainment across the strait ready to go all that time. I cannot overstate the sheer fucking amount of stuff that needs to be moved to make the successful invasion of Taiwan a remotely plausible outcome. You are literally looking at the largest amphibious operation ever as a bare minimum requirement. That kind of force buildup is extremely costly, and cannot be masked in any way. As soon as it starts happening, Taiwan and its allies are getting ready for a war, and they will be able to maintain that footing for longer than China can afford to because of how much extra material is needed just to enable an amphibious invasion.As for what China's enemies can do if they get advanced warning, the answer is surge materials into Taiwan and surrounding friendly territory. China might be able to sneak attack and sink a single US carrier that isn't expecting an attack, but it isn't going to be able to do the same thing to 6 carrier strike groups that are on high alert due to the impending invasion, and the same thing applies to land based assets as well.
>>65211952>You are literally looking at the largest amphibious operation ever as a bare minimum requirement.This is honestly an understatement. It would make D-Day look like a small operation by comparison.
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>>65211587I wouldn't put it past china to just napalm the entire islands foliage offWouldn't be the first time they destroy a whole region of ecosystem at size of a medium country
>>65211958Chicoms getting scythed like wheat as they storm up the beaches, landing craft getting smoked before they even approach, ballistic missiles falling as aircraft tear each other to pieces above. It will be metal
I would simply introduce atheism, feminism, abortion, mass migration, third worlder worship, and wait for the island's society to destroy itself.
>>65209611I would invade the Russian far east, literally impossible for them to counter it atm.
>>65209343One word: Bugoid Population Collapse. They ain't making chinks as disposable as they used to.
>>65209335Honestly who gives a shit how or even when it happens. The question is what do things look like internationally afterwards?
>>65212287China potentially in a similar place as after 1989? Except maybe worse. Cost of life on both sides would be staggering, Taiwan essentially leveled if they put up a reasonable resistance. US kinda looking like cucks if they don’t do anything. China having more sway in the South China Sea, heavy legitimacy boost for reunifying the country.
>>65209335go to bed Xi
>>65212278I wonder of China has ever considered doing the opposite of the one child policy and doing a lebensborn type thing?
>>65212295>legitimacy boostlol, lmao even
>>65212343Towards their own population, I doubt the wider world is going to be impressed by Taipei being turned into chink Stalingrad.
