Who would win in an all out naval war in the Pacific between JMSDF, US 7th Fleet and ROK vs PLAN?
Indonesia
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>>65212610>hypersonic indomie gorengonce the indogs sanction the indomie supply, the rest of the world will have no choice but to accede to their demands, xaxaxa farangs rekt
>>65212589>gooks, chinks and amerifats killing eachotherhonestly, everyone wins in such situation
>>65212589You'd have to take Taiwan into account, their navy is ridiculous but they have an impressive arsenal of anti ship missiles + naval drones
I just hope they have fun
>>65212589>blockade chinathey starve and freeze>blockade the west coastI could say something about the stock market and macbook prices, but it doesn't matter in a war economy.
>Expectation:>>65212661>Reality: US and allied bases in the region are rekt by a shower of chink ballistic missiles which are even more numerous than the iranian arsenal and they have an air force that will be cleaning up the remaning bases in the region while POTUS tweets about being close to making a deal with China to reach a cease fire.
>>65212669thank you Stephen Cheng in Beijing, very implessive
>>65212589The fact that you’re comparing an entire countries navy to one (1) singular fleet shows exactly who will win.You fucking retard.
>>65212742Can the 5th fleet be redeployed to the Pacific to help the 7th fleet right now as the Iranians still keep the Strait of Hormuz closed?
>>65212589The USA would win with a lot of losses. Even if the USA lost, China would lose economically. An aggressor state would guarantee a multipolar world where countries are forced to choose sides and NA, SA, and Europe are all picking the west. It would also mean the USA takes the leash off of Japan and China gets boxed in by blockades and isolated economically. The B&R is a joke and China doesn't want to make this mistake.
>>65212793>NA, SA, and Europe are all picking the west.With Trump in power I genuinely wonder.
>>65212589The US will win...PROVIDED they do a (proper) Pearl Harbor on the Chinks. Chink ships are untested tofu dredges and their crew are inexperienced. However, should the Chinks survive the initial attacks, they will turn up their ship manufacturing ability to 11 and fix all their shortcomings based on their recent experience. In this scenario, the US can run wild for a year or two before the Chinks catch up to them.
>>65212832The only reason American shipbuilding was able to be so productive is that it was multiple thousands of miles from the combat zone. In a scenario where the PLAN is completely crippled day one of the war Chinese shipyards become the combat zone. China fans like to frame a Taiwan conflict as a repeat of the Pacific War with them playing the US and the US playing Japan, but the relative locations of China, Japan, Taiwan, and Korea make the local dynamic resemble in many ways the war between Britain and Germany. China holds the continent but is hemmed in by islands enjoying favorable geography, but said islands will have a very hard time keeping the continent contained or getting a foothold on the continent should they choose to do so. There will be little in the way of direct land conflict, all combatants will do their best to preserve their ships that are always in danger at sea but especially in port, and most fighting will be in the air with a number of cities on both sides getting absolutely devastated regularly.
>>65212610Nobody will fucking choose ayam penyet over fucking Oyakodon you dumb cunt. The only people who like spicy garbage are indogs.
>>65212747why would it, adding more firepower wouldn't solve this issue favorably, unless you just want to carpet bomb Iran?
>US only gets 2 carriersSome Dragonball villain tier "Only using X% of my power" shit
>>65212881Well yeah, it's the best fetish after all
>>65212793Europe is not turning against China, dawg. That was established even before orange man came to office, the WW3 battle lines will be >U.S.>South Korea>Japan>Taiwan>Thailand>Philippines >VietnamVS>China>North Korea>France>Canada>Indonesia >IranGermany and UK will be no shows, but will give material+financial support to France who'll mainly be in Africa attacking U.S. intrests and aligned nations. Australia will want participate and hurt both sides, so will be asked to sit out, South America will be in its own war as U.S. and China crank up the geopolitical pressure, Russia will still be sending meatwaves to Donetsk
>>65212957Yeah this may have been true before the Ukraine War, but Ukraine will certainly want revenge after they establish their own drone supply chains.
>>65212960True, but Ukraine needs funds for reconstruction more than revenge, and thanks to Trump going full retard on them, its going to come from Europe, unless the next president can basically give them the deal of the century, AND deliver without too much delay from Congress, Ukraines going to trust Euros more than Dollars and I can't blame them
>>65212957This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen in my 13 years of posting on 4chan.It's just baffling to me that someone can have views this detached from reality, and be so confident in them that they would post them to an image board. I believe that in a hypothetical US-China hot war, the large majority of east and southeast Asia would be actively participating; but not even I would claim Thailand would go full-bore against China, that's just fucking wild. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, characterizing Australia of all places as being a fence-sitter when they have put serious money down in recent years to commit to being a long term military and naval ally of the USA. The entire anti-US coalition you propose is so fucking ridiculous that it feels nearly impossible for this to be anything but a shitpost, but my gut tells me it's not
>>65212591Don't forget the most powerful race in the world.
>>65212589PLAN sweep no diff
>>65212957This is all pretty ridiculous but the real retardation starts with France which would have a 99.999% repeating chance of sitting out any war. Also the fact you think the Europeans sitting it out is some novel take proves you are a retard, nobody expects them to commit anything. Certain factions within Britain might want to commit but the current state of the Royal Navy precludes it. South America will sit around with their collective thumbs in their asses like they always have. Australia is definitely in the US camp. Indonesia does not like China and does not want to do shit other than maybe denying the any use of its territorial waters to any belligerents. Iran can't do shit. And Cana effectively has no military, the entire(white) rural population hates its government even more than whites hate the US government and for good reason, and would unironically last three days before being occupied unless we live in a magical reality in which China can deploy millions of troops and thousands of ground assets it doesn't have to Canada without anybody noticing.TLDRL: you're a retarded nigger
>>65212979>erm, Thailand and China are eternal brothers who have, and will never fight each other!! >Australia may have banned all criticisms of the Chinese government, and let's their own intelligence agencies operate with impunity within their own country>but that does NOT make them friends!What causes this mental retardation?
>>65213021>France>the most actively anti- U.S. Western European nation for 80 years>killed more Americans than any war fought against China or Russia>this time they'll totally be on America's sideUh huh...
>>65213022Thailand is one of the very, VERY limited number of nations that has made any actual serious investment into Chinese military hardware, not for any actual efficacy of that hardware, but to signal their neutrality towards China in the event of any regional conflicts (and maybe buying some permission to kick Cambodia's shit in every now and again)Australia is investing billions into nuclear submarine shipyards that are exclusively contracted for the US navy, and once they deliver those nuclear subs, they're also getting some used ones in return. You're mistaking domestic political nonsense for heavyweight geopolitics, and the investments and posturing of Australia is extremely clear there. Or wait, let me guess - you're the kind of guy who thinks the whole world revolves around whatever ragebaiting headline appears on your Facebook feed?
>>65213029...what?
>ITT>babies' intro to geopoliticsSo many anons here really thought the cold war factions were going to stay like that forever lmao
>>65213029Nigger are your dyslexic? I said France would sit around and do nothing, which has been the extent of its "anti-American" policy since the Suez Crisis.
>Anon thinks his idea that France and Canada are going to team up with North Korea, Iran, China, and Indonesia to destroy the USA and east Asia, is not in fact completely ridiculous but is actually a masterful theory, so correct in fact that he is teaching us like a professorPlease do explain more of your geopolitical views to us, I'm eagerly listening for your next sage prediction
>>65213033>Fought against the U.S. in WW2>fought against Nato in Vietnam war>fought against the U.S. in Iraq>Sabatoged Nato in Afghanistan French and Success, are like Beavers and running water, as in they have an unshakable instinctual desire to obstruct it
>>65212589yeah
>>65213022The Australian behavior is rooted in anti-racist libtardism not an intent to have a military alliance with Chinkland. The entire left(an most of the right) in the West are committed first and foremost to anti-racism because they don't really see outside states as a threat to the perpetuation of their own power, they perceive nativism in general and white nationalism specifically as an existential threat to the existing libtard order both domestic and international. And they aren't actually wrong. If Xi had kept up the policy of mollifying western(jew) concerns with platitudes while providing modest returns on investment he could have easily maintined total Chink control of their economy, instead probably for China's own internal political reasons he decided to go Mao 2.0. Now libtards still prioritize anti-racism over dealing with Xi's new politics but it has soured the previous relationship.The point is that if China becomes an actual material threat rather than a a mere subversive force which they can even leverage for their own interests in occasion they would turn on the Chinks.
The US impotently pissed away all of its goodwill among powerhouse allies such as the UK, by refusing to support Ukraine, and putting into office ziggers like JD Vance despite clear protests. So good luck taking China on your own..
>>65213053
>>65213061>no argument I accept your concession
>>65213060>powerhouse allies such as the UKNigga this isn't 1996, the UK's one real asset is producing decent munitions it really doesn't have much in terms of deployable naval power.
>>65212610This kills the farang
>>65212589this war will play out with the US using Ukranian UAV and USV against Chinese landing vessel with little to no naval engagements
>>65213060I hate that nigger Vance as much as the next guy or maybe even more, but you're huffing some real premium Mao Zedong-grade copium to think this has any bearing whatsoever on the status of the US' alliances in east Asia in particular. And before the schizotard pipes up, I'll add that this includes Australia.
>>65213057apologies anons, I forgot to add European carriers
>>65213078
>>65213072>I have no knowledge of history, therefore b8
>>65213059>no no no no>Australia didnt become a Chinese colony because theyre loyal to China>They became a Chinese colony because they didnt want to be racistCool motive, still a colony
>>65213084Common sense tells me it's not possible to be this stupid, and this has to be bait. But my gut tells me you're being serious. If you're baiting, well done, I suppose.
>>65213073Vance is a retard married to a Jeet, his entire stance is to they and make overatures to the equivalent of the GOP in Europe, hoping that the constant importation of shitskins will cause a enough of a political backlash to get some cuckservatives in charge who would then align with their policies on everything from China to Israel. But also not have racial nationalists take over, which might quickly spread to the US just as a white revolt in the US might spread to Europe.Vance is a moron who made his name bitching about white rural cutlure being non-productive, despite it producing more STEM degrees per capita and in total than any other and producing real material wealth almost exclusively. He then flipped to supporting milktoast conservatism and shut up regarding the rednecks. When he saw some equally milktoast polticial personalities like sargonofcuckcad getting attention in Europe he tried to get ahead of any potential political impetus with a basic bitchfest about free speech and made sure to couch any racism in acceptable anti-islam sentiment rather than the exile of all non-whites on pain of death.The conservative movement in the US acts and to an extent was deliberately created as a rearguard and release valve to prevent the buildup of sentiment and power blocs which might threaten the integrity of the liberal project as a whole.
>>65213094>this factual, extensively annotated chapter of history was actually b8 all along Powerful stuff, riveting even
>>65212881>Nobody will fucking choose ayam penyet over fucking Oyakodonyou've never eaten both
>>65213082>>65213078>>65213057Where are they in Operation Epic Fail?
>>65212813SA is going is going MAGA thanks to Rubio.
>>65212589>doesn't show the subsDo you retards have any idea how naval combat works?
>>65212957>North Korea and France on the same sideThat would be a amazingly kino alliance, i can just imagine the joint rampages in Africa. Easy to identify as well, if you can't recognize a single piece of normal equipment it is these jerks.
>>65213164shhh, it will be funnier if it's a surprise for them
>>65213174>>65213164Well:https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2026/06/new-mystery-submarine-signals-chinas-rapid-undersea-expansion/https://www.twz.com/sea/new-large-chinese-submarine-with-very-unique-feature-just-caught-on-satellite-imagery
>>65213183music in the mark 50's ears
Implessive
>>65212589>real navy fleets vs paper fleet
>>65212669Oh. Then China isn't taking Taiwan for some other reason.
>>65212813Trump is temporary. China has been consistent for decades and will be for more to come because they don't have elections.
Why doesn't Taiwan do the missile boat meta? Be the Iran of the East.
>>65212957>canada sides with china>instantly gets vaporized
>>65213582Just wait until Trump disabands NATO after taking Greenland and Canada.
>>65213600To be fair. The US looks like it's going to get what it wants out of Greenland. And Trump going on about wanting Canada is just him trolling.
>>65212589Whoever shoots first
>>65212971Do you think that's going to stop Ukraine from making China have smoking accidents?
>>65213600Tbf, Canada starting hostilities against burgers for no other reason than boredom certainly wasnt the brightest idea either.
>>65212610gazuntite
>>65212589>in the PacificUS can take the other 3 on at once. Yes, I know that that wasn't your proposed scenario but its just so lopsided. The only way PLAN has a chance is if its operating near its shores. Outside of that it would get completely fucked.
>>65212589>Who would win in an all out naval war in the Pacific between JMSDF, US 7th Fleet and ROK vs PLAN?Israel.
>>65213666I don't think Israel would be very happy if America lost the ability to park carriers around the world to bomb browns that Israel needs out of their chosen land.
>>65213582Xi is 72. What happens when he dies?
>>65213677Someone else takes over and either tries to be the continuation of Xi or will throw all the Xi supporters out of influence, have a Kruschev speech and maybe change a few things like giving Chinese citizens more privacy or something.
>>65213663The Bohai Sea forms a half decent bastion and there is very little chance of anyone attempting major surface operations there, especially if the Norks are not involved since no one wants to risk them suddenly joining while a fleet was inside the upper part of the Yellow Sea. That works both ways, without them China is bottled up.
>>65213680How are you going to point to history as an ironclad depiction of the future in one breath. And then tell me there is going to be a peaceful transition of power in China from one "dynasty" to the next?
>>65213689There is zero reason to think China is going to devolve into civil war, they've had relatively stable transitions of power in the past and they started with OG Maoism.
>>65213683>Bohai Sea>Yellow SeaOP said "in the Pacific." I even specifically quoted that portion. Get your eyes checked.
>>65213677Xi has likely been grooming a candidate for decades to follow his will.
>>65213703Anon, the Bohai and Yellow Seas are part of the Pacific Ocean. You may wish to acquaint yourself with basic geography before forcefully denouncing others for a educational failing that is in fact yours.
>>65213714>lets play word gamesYou know what OP was intimating and you knew what I meant. Not interested, fuck off now.
>>65213706May we see them?
>>65213582>Xi changes policy from lying to the West in a way which facilitates their(jews and libtard/cuckservative elite) own goals and being cooperative to Mao2.0>consistent for decadesNigger Xi fucked up by not stringing the west along to maintain the chink ponzi schemes, he's competent when it comes to navigating the internal politics of the CCP not so much when it comes to grand international strategy. I frankly hope Chinese policy follows Xi's example since it will stymie them indefinitely.
>>65213183>4 semi-modern shang class and one unknown vs 50 American SSNs of similar or higher quality all with approximately the same displacementI don't think this math works in the Chinks' favor.
>>65212589It always hilarious how China and their shills studiously ignore the question of submarines.It's because american submarines are RADICALLY better and more numerous that chinese. In addition to being more experienced and more doctrineally developed.They only want to talk about the shitty "Burke at home" DDGs theyve been spamming. Not the Complete lack of experience of their carrier arm. Not the fact that no Chinese submarine has ever fired a shot in wartime.
>>65212832>Chink ships are untested tofu dredges and their crew are inexperienced.Based on what? Some sort of magical property you can only accrue from engaging some shore targets in the Near East?
>>65212589I think it's cool how you represented fishing boats with something else.
>>65213706Xi has purged all of his past candidates, lol
>>65213671>Inferring they are not already so massively invested in all concerned that no matter what happens, it's still a win for Kikery.>Inferring that israel is a "friend" of the U.S..
>>65213584they're still not taking defence seriously>23 million population vs 1.5 billion>still no universal conscription>2.45% defence budget until this yeartheir will to fight is not there, which is why the US is leery of giving them more weapons
>>65213896>jews win even if muslims winwhat causes this disease?oh wait, it's called taqiya
>>65212589Yeah
>>65212957>France and Canada join China and Best Korea6/8
>>65214037And while this invludes the Chinese Coast Guard, it doesn't include the US Coast Guard, which in the advent of war will be place under direction of the Department of War.
>>65212589It's gonna be hilarious when the chinks start screaming "WARCRIME(((((((" like the vatniks in the future when most of their ships get sunk on port due to Japanese and Korean subs lurking around lol.
>>65212589>No pic related includedG A Y
Comrade Chuan Jianguo is ensuring China will be NUMBAH ONE :D (vely implessive now post chink t-dolls).
>>65212589>Who would win>China involvedLiveleak.
>>65213084>Vichy FranceCome on now.
>>65212957There is no scenario where the west doesn't stick together. China offers Europe nothing it can't get from other western nations. China actively conspires to flood their industry and destroy their domestic production to make Europe dependent on Chinese industry. These are not the actions of an ally. Despite the Greenland rhetoric, Europe is going to choose an alliance of people with like-minded values and long-term goals. Fucking Canada? I'll be surprised if Indonesia doesn't choose to sit it out. Canada's going to be deporting some Chinks if there's ever a war, despite all rhetoric, Canada has a lot more to lose from enmity with the west than vice versa. Canada following China into a war is going to get sorted in short order.
>>65212957>Europe is not turning against China, dawg.Anyone else notice chinkshills deliberately pepper their posts with "western youth approved" words?
>>65214319>China actively conspires to flood their industry and destroy their domestic production to make Europe dependent on Chinese industry. This is a positive in EU's eyes>Europe is going to choose an alliance of people with like-minded values and long-term goals.Which is the PRC, both Germany and France have voiced their sentiments to emulate China's domestic policy of advancing national harmony and strengthening political unity at the expense of representation in government for the individual.>Canada has a lot more to lose from enmity with the westThats the point, the most important part of becoming a "Post-Nation State" is to remove any and all opportunities for your people and exercising ones own sovereignty, which is what Canada has set out to do
>>65214388>and the chance to exercise ones own sovereignty*
>>65214347>believing Europe when they say they're in lockstep with chang is actually a chinkshill lineIt actually infuriates me to no end, but thats the hand the free world's been dealt, and we must plan accordingly
>>65214400>US finally makes them pay their own way>Decide to align with a power whose human rights record is atrociousYuros are petty and hypicritical but I din't believe they are actually this retarded. They want a 3 superpower world, or to supplant the US, not be an ally or vassal of China.
>>65213779OP said 'Pacific Ocean' and last time i checked seas were parts of Oceans. This is English geography 101 my dude.
>>65212589>no Taiwan >the rest of the USN is left out fuck off China shill.
>>65214593Why do you continue to be unable to read? Is it a lack of education or intentional obtuseness?
>>65214037Fuck it's absolutely bonkers when you put it into perspective like that. The media really got us thinking the USA is on the complete backfoot.
>>65212957>/pol/'s smartest soldier
