Russians are reporting that the Rusty Dagger is being field tested on them and was developed by Zone 5 for the ERAM program. Currently, it under the new designation Family of Affordable Mass Munitions-Lugged (FAMM-L), which is now the program of record and thousands purchased under.
>>65218858Russian sources are publishing photos of an unknown 8-element CRPA antenna. On the back side of the unit there is a circuit board with a large heatsink, which carries the CAGE code 7MJL2, belonging to the US company Zone 5 Technologies. The board itself has an engraved assembly code — 040131-50 rev A01.There is a strong assumption (with a high degree of probability) that the debris belongs to a component of the ERAM (Extended Range Attack Munition) program — specifically the AGM-188A “Rusty Dagger” cruise missile.
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>>65218858Big booms incoming
>>65218858bussin fr fr famm
>>65218858Pretty sexy looking carbon fiber body small cruise missile. A 500 pound warhead and a 280 mile range is nothing to scoff at and Ukraine is cleared to purchase up to 3,350 ERAMs (now FAMM-L) including spares and support equipment for an estimated cost of $825 million. Ukraine is expected to use funding from Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and United States Foreign Military Financing for the purchase.
>>65218858>>65218879>first word in the new desigination is "family">instead of using the first three letters of that for your desired acronym, decide to tack on three more words so you can spell it that wayWhat kind of autism is this?
>>65218858Where's the Rusty Trombone, though?
>>65218900why doesnt ukraine try using its own money for once?
>>65218858>LuggedWhat?
>>65219031as in dropped from fighters IE on their bomb lugs
>>65219012keep crying
>>65218858Imagine the humiliation of having a weapon called Rusty Dagger "field tested" against you...
>>65219031There is FAMM-P (Palletized) for rapid dragon and FAMM-BAR (Beyond Adversary Range) read extended range)) and the army version that is ground launched from a standard shipping container packing 16 missiles.
>>65219039>bomb lugsThanksStupid name>>65219065...very stupid name
>>65219079to lug something around is to carry something heavy. It makes perfect sense for a heavy bomb under wing I suspect you aren't native English speaker
>>65219012It's broke as a joke, anon, they're running pretty much exclusively on OPM right now.
>>65219108>It's broke as a joke, anon, they're running pretty much exclusively on OPM right now.all that 'winning' going on sounds expensive
>>65218985The American desire to create marketable and/or silly acronyms
>>65219426Win or lose, they'd be in the same position. The country had already lost most of its industrial capacity when Donetsk and Luhansk rebelled in 2014, leaving agriculture as the primary engine of wealth. When the new war kicked off, that cratered too. Much of the fighting now is in the country's agricultural heartland, as I understand it, and until the last two years or so the Russkis had a pretty solid blockade on shipments out of Odessa, which was the only port the Ukes had left since losing Sevastopol in 2014. Throw in the natural consequences of a full-scale war like they find themselves in, namely high demand for men and material for the war effort and low demand for anything productive, and the Russkis relentless campaign against the electrical grid, and there isn't much of an economy left.The Russkis aren't in much better shape, from what I've heard. Their own economy was pretty brittle pre-war, and despite art major seething since the 1960s, war economies are not actually profitable, at least when you have to immediately send everything you produce to the frontline you're also paying for. This doesn't produce wealth, it merely sees money change hands internally, same as what the Ukes have been experiencing. The only real source of revenue left to the Russkis had been oil exports, but those are getting squeezed as the Ukes step up attacks on oil infrastructure. Seems like they're still in a better financial spot right now, which is good for them because the Chinese seem to be the geopolitical equivalent of payday lenders and nobody else would be willing or able to finance Russia's war effort, but I dunno how long that will last.
>>65219012Why don't zigger shills like (You) try not to be whiny bitches for once? Oh wait, you're losing the war LMAO.
>>65219533>rebelled in 2014Rebelled is an interesting word to choose here considering the proportion of forces which were demonstrably LGM.
>>65219533Russias an energy economy tho, and in the 21st century the only winning economies will be those that produce and export massive huge amounts of energy products from gas to oil etc. europe will have no other choice now but to return to Russian energy thanks to israeli game-board flipping in the middle east. American energy would be far far too expensive to sustain the meager european industry still existing
>>65219533>when Donetsk and Luhansk rebelledhuh?>When the new war kicked offHUH
>>65219544>Oh wait, you're losing the war LMAO.may we see proof?
>>65219556What do yo uwnat? This thread? All the other threads about zigger shit detonating we get on a daily basis now? The fact that RUssia has been LOSING GROUND for at an accellerating pace for the last 3 months despite haivng launched their vaunted summer offensive?Your whining is proof in and off itself btw.
>>65219551>Being a gas station is a virtueCope. Pure cope.
>>65219762>Being a gas station is a virtue>Cope. Pure cope.lmao, unironically YESin case you havent noticed by the "worlds happenings" its THE most important possible metric to judge a country on (energy security)literally the only thing that matters in the 21st century to date is producing, consuming and profitting off huge endless supplies of energy
>>65219012Why would you not use assistance if offered?
>>65219733>The fact that RUssia has been LOSING GROUNDmay we see the ground they lost?
>>65219804>Why would you not use assistance if offered?no ones offering it in the US though...
>>65219820What did he mean by this?
>>65219826>What did he mean by this?confusion over how ukraine was going to procure 3400 experimental standoff missiles the US itself does not have and does not produce with money that doesnt exist....>>65218900
>>65219840Why are you confused? The post you quoted explains it. Are you retarded perhaps?
>>65219762money does not smell
>>65219820>>65219840The US is literally designing it for the sole purpose of mass producing it in the hundreds of thousands for pennies on the dollar.
>>65219846>Why are you confused? The post you quoted explains it. Are you retarded perhaps?it suggested the US would be financing, which it is *not*on top of that, the US has historically NEVER exported its cruise missiles to anyone
>>65219840guess why they are (probably) getting this
>>65219861>it suggested the US would be financing, which it is *not*Yeah it ishttps://media.defense.gov/2025/Aug/28/2003789897/-1/-1/1/PRESS%20RELEASE%20-%20UKRAINE%2025-46%20CN.PDF>the US has historically NEVER exported its cruise missiles to anyoneYeah it doesAre you retarded?
>>65219870its like scamduril all over again, making "shaheds-at-home for millions instead of $10k>>65219863guess why they (wont) ever get this
>>65219876>guess why they (wont) ever get thisThe topic of this thread is russians piecing together what hit them
>>65219874>https://media.defense.gov/2025/Aug/28/2003789897/-1/-1/1/PRESS%20RELEASE%20-%20UKRAINE%2025-46%20CN.PDFLMAOOOOOOOO>its reliant on "Jumpstart" fundingkek so deliveries in Q3 2031...got it!
>>65219886>kek so deliveries in Q3 2031The topic of this thread is russians piecing together what hit them
>>65219876>anduril>makingmore like not makingalso they're supposed to have access to top-tier engineering talent (they're in california) yet a team of like 10 russian drone programmers (or however many work on geran software) can run circles around them
>>65218858>Rusty DaggerI love this shit.Probably the only way to get anything pragmatic (read: cost-effective) done in the US MIC: name it a videogame-themed joke.Another upside is that we the retards on the internet get to laugh at ziggers jobbing to level 1 vendor trash weapons.
this is gonna be glide bombs all over againukraine: check out this cool shit from america that we can use strategically, russia is finished for surerussia: yeah that's pretty cool, we're going to make our ownamerica: nvm guys we're not gonna give ukraine any moreukraine: whatrussia: we're going to make ours 10x biggerukraine: not fairrussia: and we're going to make so many that we can throw one at every anthill in ukraineukraine: ACK!
>>65219894>The topic of this thread is russians piecing together what hit themwe just have to wait untill Q3 2031 before the rusty kinzhals start hitting them!>>65219899>more like not making>also they're supposed to have access to top-tier engineering talent (they're in california) yet a team of like 10 russian drone programmers (or however many work on geran software) can run circles around themscamduril should have been absolutely fucking stripped barebones operation like>pic relatedoperating out of any of the completely worthless closed down shopping malls in Americainstead they went 'bro-startup' and started talking about idiotic "revolutions" and shit like that despite not one actual unique product produced
>>65219917>we just have to wait untill Q3 2031 before the rusty kinzhals start hitting them!So you're saying it's going to take russia 5 years to reverse engineer some cruise missiles meant to be low spec? What?
>>65219904that's so cool! did you know that the F-22 fighter jet was named after the F-22 in Ace Combat?
>>65219911Russia already had 10's of thousands of the bombs sitting around doing nothing from the coldwar, they didnt even have to "make" them..it was basically "free" or the cost of the wing kit, which lol probably cost more than the bomb itself did
>>65219918why would Russia "re-engineer" something it already has..?
>>65219925You're the one talking about something happening 5 years in the future, it's genuinely difficult to follow your babbling.
>>65219919Don't be a dumbfuck, your outsider startup doesn't name its weapon system "rusty dagger" for any other reason than to whimsically imply it's a cheap piece of shit.And honestly the name is probably a big reason why Zone 5's ERAM gets all the press but nobody talks about CoAspire's ERAM.
>>65219932>You're the one talking about something happening 5 years in the futureright, the deliveries of the non-existent "low cost extended range cruise missile" the US is allegedly going to give 3500 of to ukraine (but only if the "jumpstart" funding is deposited first) aka, literal cash upfront AND NO REFUNDS!you must be some kind of fucking european illiterate shit eater ESL
>>65219934The topic of this thread is russians piecing together what hit them
>>65219899>>65219876>>65219917Why are you so obsessed with Anduril when it has nothing to do with the ERAM program? Only Zone 5 and CoAspire are working on these missiles and they are meant to start being delivered in mass this October
>>65219933>nobody talks about CoAspire's ERAM.because the tomahawk at home but for 1/20th the price is a ludicrous fantasy that will never materialize
>>65218900>United States Foreign Military FinancingYeah good thing we got that.
>>65219946>will never materializeFunny thing is, some of them have already materialized up russians' asses.
>>65219899>they're in californiaare you not familiar with Californialand?
>>65219943>they are meant to start being delivered in mass this October*IF* the potential customers who want they pay cash upfront w/no refunds>>65219939>>65219880>>65219894someones bot is broken^>>65219943theyre simply an example of the "scam" of "muh low cost weapons production" out of the US>>65219951may we see them?
>>65219925The phenomenon of "Lost Technology"
>>65219958Its already been paid for
>>65219958Sure >>65218865
>>65219012>AIEEEE WHY AREN'T WARS CLOSED OFF BETWEEN COMBATANTS?!War and politics are directly interrelated, my little thirdworld retard. Read about the Ruso-Japanese War, or why it is that Japan did Pearl Harbor (hint hint, they were THIRSTING after the cock that was the international market's oil).
NO YOU CANNOT SEE MY EXAMPLE!>>65219958>theyre simply an example of the "scam" of "muh low cost weapons production" out of the US
>>65219968It's extra hilarious to see russians cry about international aid when it's the only reason that their tsar is a jew instead of a german
>>65219973LOL
>>65219911it happened in your dream?
>>65219012Why didn't Russia try using it's own troops in Kursk?
>>65220021>Why didn't Russia try using it's own troops in Kursk?Norks stomped out the "Rush-B" to Kursk NPP, it would have been a dishonor to sub them out at that point, so they got to finish the game
>>65220021Russia is supposedly shipping NK troops and equipment non-stop for the past few weeks. So I think they might be headed into the fight again within the next few months or weeks
>>65220050>Russia is supposedly shipping NK troops and equipment non-stop for the past few weeks. So I think they might be headed into the fight again within the next few months or weeksNork troops never fought off of Russian soil. they were strictly 'defense'
>>65220021I still don't get why that happened.Putin even made a public announcement that yeah we don't have the manpower to handle this situation right now before turning to norks.They can't spare soldiers for homeland defense mission (easier to justify, better motivation) but can afford to feed 10x larger amount of them the foreign meatgrinder EVERY MONTH?Someone please make this war make sense. I can't.
>>65220084it was an idiotic token 'morale' campaign prosecuted largely by foreign mercenaries to make a hail-mary attempt to seize a nuclear power plant for blackmail for the forthcoming 'negotiations' Trumps election victory foreshadowedthe>"we seized a nuclear powerplant chip"was ludicrous suicidal distraction gambit that wasnt worth devoting actual real attention to and was the perfect place to deploy "Plan-BestKorea". the motivational buff the Norks got knowing they were mowing down waves of foreign mercs only enhanced their efficacy on top of it and it even complied with nato's "im not touching you!!!!!" strategy of questional grey-area tactics (it was perfectly "legal")
>>65220094Zigger fantasies get increasingly elaborate
>>65220117>Zigger fantasies get increasingly elaborateyah...about that "zigger" and his 'fantasy'...>https://files.catbox.moe/ht1lmt.mp4 >"we didnt want to capture your nuclear plant, but we could have, we just didnt because it would look "Russian" (but we still might)"the goal of the kursk campaign was to capture kursk-NPP then trade it for Zaphorizia-NPP in the "piss talks" (then) looming on the horizion
>>65220135Lol ok zigger
>>65220138>"literally zelensky" is now a 'zigger'BASED
High zigger activity under this post, I'd ask what blew up, but a 3rd of threads here are already covering all the fireworks over Snowmalia. Kinda hard to miss, heh
>>65220151It's weird that this thread of all things has them so riled up, though.
>>65220155>It's weird that this thread of all things has them so riled up, though.wunderwaffe-that-will-turn-the-tide-of-the-war threads are classically high-traffic (by this boards abysmal standards)which means 1 or 2 people post with 'captive audience' staff on duty to play goalie for 'posts we dont like'
>>65220161It's hilarious how clearly the 'every accusation is a confession' thing comes through when it comes to the zigger proclamations of wunderwaffe
>>65220155True, I guess the FSB handler of the particular jeet farm assigned to this board was on vacation during the news of the russia losing ground this year, the spring zigffensive being the biggest failure since 2023, recruitment numbers in the trash, Pidorsburg attacks, total logistics death, fuel shortages in Crimea (again), escalating oil infrastructure cucking, cucking the Baltic Sea fleet after nothing was left of the Black Sea fleet, the potential new aid package from the US, Z's letter to Monke, losing Armenia, Gripens from Sweden, more missiles, more drones, more TZD, I could go on, lmao. Worst year for the russia since Prigo chimpout, and it looks like it's even more downhill from here
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>>65220167>proclamations of wunderwaffebut the Oreshniks work...and are on vidya from many angles...and look 'cool'....cant really say the same about the other side...the f16s and challengers were a wet fart
>>65220167>500 pound warhead>280 mile range>high precision gyro>3,350 unitsThis unironically would be very bad for Russia.Compounded with 300 long range and 1000 medium range drones a day.Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Crimea will become supply deserts.
>>65220176lmao this is 1:1 identical to rambling trump x-tweet about how many times Iran has been defeated in a row, their navy blown up airforce gone etc.. i mean its almost verbatimyikes
>>65220184Yeah if all the stats work out it sounds like a great weapon.Ziggers however will mythologize weapons like Khinzals, Shaheds, FAB (they are saying KAB now, what's up with that?) with glide kits, fiber optic FPVs etc and proclaim it's pointless to resist because [insert weapon they have been told to shill this week] will destroy anything
>>65220161>>65220149>>65220135>>65220094>>65219958Jeet or zigger call it
>>65220189>all the real weapons that actually exist will defeat all the fake weapons "planned&expected"fairly elementary take....
>>65220179oreshniks aren't even a cost effective terror weapon it has 6 civilian kills to its record at $30 million to $50 million a launch at 3 launches it averages 2 civilian kills per launch at a price of 15 to 25 million per civilian killed.
>>65219012War is expensive. Why does Russia survive on Chinese loans? Same shit
>>65220214Oreshnik turned out to have no active aiming when deploying warheads. Its a strategic platform for peppering a metro area with nukes. Its an absolutely insane waste of resources to use them as terror weapons like the russians are doing.
>>65220214>at $30 million to $50 million a launchmay we see proof?>>65220263>Oreshnik turned out to have no active aiming when deploying warheadslmao what?LMAOthey are obscenely accurate and practically hold hands on the way down
>>65220274Your pic just proves what he said.Each cluster of smaller munitions is supposed to be one warhead in strategic configuration, which is why they can't be independently targeted.Using them in this manner is just beyond retarded.
>>65220274found the buttmad zigger. Hows the fuel supplies in crimea doing shouldnt you be sent to the meat assault soon?
>>65220135>Piss talksDegenerates from /chug/ just can't help use their lingo when they leave kek
>>65220279At least the Iranian ones all independantly hit different targets and manouver kek
It's been a rough day for Russia. Now they find out it wasn't a Steel or Mithril Dagger killing them but the beginner Rusty Dagger. Will the humiliations ever cease?
>>65219012Because it doesn't have to. The rest of the world is happily paying the fee to sit in the cinema and watch puccians getting absolutely fucked from the comfort of their own home and I am here for it.Its the best use of anyone's tax dollars in decades no matter what country you're from to see ziggers get deleted. I really hope their rabid AIDS infected shithole of a country collapses (again!) and for good this time. Fuck puccia. Let it burn and people dance on the ashes.TZD
>>65220289*Independently miss different targets and maneuver
>>65219088I even know they used to be called "bomb locks" not lugs, assholeIt's stupid because it sounds gay, it's nonstandard, there's no operational or semantic difference with "air-launched", and "lug" sounds unprofessional. Also to "lug" implies to pull, and it's a rocket which pushes.Now should I call you a filthy ESL turdie just because I disagree with you on all these counts?Idiot
>>65221183>Also to "lug" implies to pulllugnoun1: something (such as a handle) that projects like an ear: such asa: a leather loop on a harness saddle through which the shaft passesb: a metal fitting to which electrical wires are soldered or connected
>>65222769>handle>pushed
>>65220179so true zizsterdon't forget about our 200kph unstoppable tsunami nuke torpedo
>>65222796It's not about pushing or pulling you retarded brown esl, it's about hanging it from a lug (noun).
>>65219853>The US is literally designing it for the sole purpose of mass producing it in the hundreds of thousands for pennies on the dollar.Where are the subcomponents for all these tens of thousands of missiles going to come from? Who is making tens of thousands of small turbojet engines per year? Ahh, I know. There is ony one source for such volumes and that is China. So China is going to sell America the weapon subcomponents it will use to bomb the countries China is trying to get to join the Belt and Road initative? Or is there perhaps some hidden all robotized dark factory for making tens of thousands of small turbojet engines hidden away in America? This is just bullshit. It is all going to peter out once it turns out its not possible to mass produce these things because nobody wants to. Meanwhile the company owners have sold off most of their stock after pumping it to the skies with news of mega orders in the future.
>>65223488Czech Manufacturer PBS Aerospace Opens New Turbojet Engine Plant and Headquarters in Roswell...PBS teases another $90M investment but doesn't say whether it will also be in Georgia.You are a retard who doesn't know that the USA is producing 16% of the global manufacturing at $2.5 Trillion.
>>65223543They build these for the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Air Force, and major defense contractors like Lockheed Martin. They make engines for military drones, advanced cruise missiles, and unmanned aerial vehicles.U.S. Air Force awarded a prime contract to them to support the Family of Affordable Mass Munitions (FAMM) program. At their North American Headquarters in Roswell, GA, they will build Aircraft Engines:TJ40 & TJ80 Engines. They are small, compact engines used in unmanned systems and missiles.TJ100 & TJ200 Engines: Larger jet engines used for tactical defense platforms
>>65223488>Where are the subcomponents for all these tens of thousands of missiles going to come from?For both Zone 5 and CoAspire the components come from a mix of in-house production, various US manufacturers, and European manufacturers to a lesser extent. You could have figured this out in 10 minutes if you actually weren't a brain dead nigger
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/planned%20expected/page/4/This is the butthurt schizo that is seething in this threadHe seethed at the lrasm, aim174 and now this. It's just non stop seething for this retard. He got a little wiser and stopped spamming the same phrase, but he got so buttmad at the rusty dagger he slipped up again >>65220196
>>65223769>"that one guy we all know, posting that stuff we dont like!"
>>65223561>prime contract>to supportYou aren't just using terms you don't know the meaning of, are you anon?
>>65223488>Where are the subcomponents for all these tens of thousands of missiles going to come from?Unironically Europe acktchually, at least for the electronics. It's all mature node stuff that is made in unfathomable quantities by, for eg, the Netherlands. Packaging used to be done in China but it all kind of blew up and now it's going to happen in other places, like locally or in Malaysia.
>>652237694chan schizos sure do choose the weirdest hills to die on, huh.
>>65223814https://www.pbsaerospace.com/news/pbs-aerospace-awarded-u-s-air-force-prime-contract-to-support-family-of-affordable-mass-munitions-fammretard
something important must have exploded for them to have a meltdown this badwhat did the ukrainians hit this time??
>>65225192Russian artillery ammunition general got car bombed in Moscow proper and a Flamingo hit the VNIIR electronics plant 1000 km in Cheboksary
>>65225206sounds flammable
>>65220094Ziggers will claim that the Kiev front was a clever feint from Russia and then claim that the Kursk front was a failed plan from Ukraine.
>>65222821>>65219088>to lug something around is to carry something heavy>the aircraft lugs the munition so we call it Munition-Lug>as opposed to every other fucking munition which isn't lugged by an aircraftDon't reproduce.
>>65220084>Feed>North KoreansLol
>>65220155It because they believe their advantage is that Russian equipment is cheap, simple but it works. So the US producing a cheap mass produced missile is an afront to them. US equipment is supposed to be expensive and complicated.
>>65220274for a missile of that size, 30 million is on the lower end, you fucking idiot LMAO.
>>65218858>rusty tromboneFIFY
>>65225819rusty sheriff's badge :^)
>>65225192their multi-layered cope cages were penetrated on a strategic plant ~1000km from the frontthis being done by FP-5s, recorded on video, is also not great.
>>65220185>y-yikeswhy do thirdies all talk like teenage girls?
>>65225664An F-16 munition lug (or suspension lug) secures weapons to the aircraft's underwing or fuselage pylons. These lugs conform to strict MIL-STD-8591 and MS3314 standards, generally featuring a 14-inch or 30-inch spacing for either 1,000-pound or 2,000-pound munitions.You're a dunning Kruger retard who thinks he knows more than the US military who designed it, companies that built it, and project managers who put the program into fruition.
>>65225664https://www.bulletpicker.com/pdf/NAVAIR-11-5A-17.pdfSo your retarded opinions can fuck off once and for all.
>>65225664It's not about lugging it around, it's about mounting it to a lug just like other lug-mounted munitions.
>>65219911how come every time it never gets to the ACK!
>>65219933"rusty dagger" also shit covered penis that is fuck you
