>>65219113
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/german-french-leaders-unable-resolve-fcas-fighter-jet-dispute-sources-say-2026-06-08/

>We dont need the F35 muh killswi-FUCK YOU FRANCE ID RATHER BECOME THE 51ST STATE THAN COOPERATE
Average EU militarist

>>65219113
we zont do zat in germany

>>65219116
The American killswitch is ultimately more palatable than the French killswitch

Frogs got rekt. How are they even able to buy and build fighters now that they don't have the Germans to finance their trash?

>>65219126
Unironically, partner up with the Turks.

Why do the French sabotage all of these project?

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It's time

>two african shitholes in the making bickering and picking fights while US and Chinese hardware flood the market worldwide
it do be like that

>>65219145
They get to peddle more frogshit while daydreaming about being some sort of "third way" armsdealer.

>>65219157
Thank you Saar., but this is too obvious.

>>65219145
To be fair, it was not French politics but Dassault.

>>65219120
Tbf, the American kill switch is at least predictable.
>dont attack Israel
Frogs are diplomatically tied to every tin-pot dictator and extraction colony on earth.
>non zu cannort bomb zis Isis camp
>wi buye parsnip from zem! Hon hon

>>65219113
Germany wanted to shoot for the moon with a literal wunderwaffe, France wanted a Rafale+. The first was impossible, the second not survivable.
France's next jet will just suck, Germany will buy American or just not have a competitive fighter at all (like for basically its entire post-war history, desu).

>>65219145
>why does the nation that has consistently made everything worse for over 2 millenia make shit worse
I have no idea.

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>>65219113
Kinda interesting seeing this pop up when just this morning I got around to the Europe section of last week's economist and read article related:
>https://archive.ph/uXCHg
>"Why France is uneasy about German rearmament"
Basically, France has long taken it for granted that they're the only serious remaining EU continental military, even though Germany had a much stronger economy. So for all they preened about european independence from America etc, they actually got quite comfortable with the status quo of Germany military being a total fucking joke and the resulting geopolitical relationships.

But there is no doubt about who has the financial firepower, so if Germany truly does get serious and can spend 3x what France can afford to, they certainly have the room to take the lead and do better. Which would hit the French arms industry if they can't adapt. All of which would be very healthy for Europe overall, but in the case of france might also be a bit of a case of the dog that caught the car. They've been pushing the whole sovereignty and strategic capability thing for ages now, but don't seem to have quite internalized that that happening would mean Germany regaining a significantly more central place in Europe's military hierarchy.

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Very based.
According to the project, Dassault was to be the project manager on the FCAS, while a german company was to be the project manager on their tank project.
Of course the krautists couldn't stand it.

>>65219240
Is this an article from 1933?

>>65219113

Told ya - now watch Rheimetall, Helsing and Airbus present a german domnestic 6th gen fighter.... :)

>>65219326
History has a funny tendency to repeat itself, doesn't it?

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>>65219240
Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons, and after shutting down their reactors that'll add several years to the schedule if they ever want some.

>>65219240
WTF is this crazy malware link
Has archive.ph been hacked or is it just my browser's DoH provider?

>>65219240
>if Germany truly does get serious and can spend 3x what France can afford to
The keyword there being "serious" because Krauts could spend half of their GDP and still accomplish fuckall. Their sue-happy culture, sea of red tape and the short span in which their budgets are applied and must be accounted for are lethal to long-term procurement, economies of scale, force regeneration and rearmament in general.

>>65219476
Are you smart enough to understand why your childish strawman does not make any sense at all?

>>65219240
France doesn't have a right to exist. It's German clay.

>>65219541
Prussian clay.

>>65219541
Germany was created twice by French people: Charlemagne and Napoleon.

>>65219575
Charlemagne was a Frank, whose modern descendants are the Dutch, and Napoleon was Italian.

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>>65219602
Cope.

>>65219240
>Basically, France has long taken it for granted that they're the only serious remaining EU continental military
This is a meme, btw. The decrypit German military is still comfortably outnumbering the French in terms of artillery, armour, fighter aircraft, what have you. (Terrible) German readiness isn't any worse than the French, either. And when France goes on its quasi-colonial adventures in north africa, it relies on American and, wait for it, German logistics.
France has nuclear weapons (through EURatom, read: Funded by Germany), and it does have a much better navy in terms of quality and quantity alike, but on the ground and in the air, Germany solos.
The difference is that Germany got a much better rep through WW2, while France got a much worse one. So issues with the German army or air force are magnified by the contrast, while the very same issues in the French army never appear in the collective consciousness.
Germany getting its spending up doesn't result in it having a stronger military than France. It already does. Rather, it turns a 20- 30% advantage into a you're getting fucking bodied advantage.
Well. Theoretically. In practice, it depends on Germany easing export restrictions. If that happens, it's fucking over for French arms exports.

>>65219541
Germany didn't exist prior to the 1840s

>>65219197
>don't attack Israel
It's baffling how hard this is for some people, I mean Egypt and Jordan stopped and they aren't Israeli slave colonies or anything.
>the whole history of Palestine
The fact that they had the MAJORITY of the best land, overwhelming military support, and they even left so their slave soldiers could use artillery with impunity thinking it would be a short trip only to find out to their shock that the cold blooded genocide they planned to commit completely backfired. And then, they subvert or outright take over multiple governments, sending tens of thousands of their religious brethren to die and when they grew tired of it they then either tried to full on coup or launched terrorist attacks against the nations that fought for them. If Israeli terrorists hijacked US airliners, did mass shootings, set up robbery gangs and sent death squads to the White House you'd see Jews banned from the US.

>>65219673
Germany was invented by Martin Luther to sell more Bibles.

>>65219113
I blame it on the germans being autistic and unreasonable, once again. Honestly no-one should partner with German, they are insufferable and what comes out is a overengineered, maintenance heavy, expensive turd.
German engineering is a meme.

>>65219792
Israel attacks its neighbors unprovoked all the times. Why should its neighbors be forced to put up with it?

>>65219811
>unprovoked
Skin color status?

>>65219811
>unprovoked
Sure thing, mullah.

>>65219811
>unprovoked
brown lies as usual

>>65219816
>>65219817
Post foreskin

>>65219823
>S-Show me ur cock!
But Abdul, isn't that Haram?

>>65219317
Issue Krauts had was that they were going to pay for development and receive none of the technology in return. French don't have partners in anything, they may call 'em partners, but in reality they are purely clients.

>>65219811
>unprovoked
Odd how they have never attacked Egypt or Jordan after they signed peace accords, almost as if....

>>65219834
perhaps man love thursday is early this week

>>65219823
>post foreskin
You do know Muslims circumcise right? That's why European women can't get enough of their cocks.

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>>65219868
>brings up interracial sex out of nowhere
Yup that's a circumcized mutt getting triggered alright

>>65219845
Sounds about right to me. Paypigs don't get to chose what they receive.

>>65219885
>>65219901
>reeeeeeeeee
Cope, Israel wins.

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>>65219885
>biggest interracial porn consumers
You fucking lost.

>>65219979
>not BIG TITS for every country except Germany
>not SCAT for Germany
Fake map.

>>65219984
your weird scat accusation reeks of projection. keep your abnormal fetishes to yourself.

>>65219997
Explain your toilets designed for poop inspection, then.

>>65219999
medical reasons. now fuck off with your weird retardation you disgusting faggot.

>>65219999
Checked, but those are so germys can inspect their shit for parasites because of the rotten raw pork they eat

>>65220003
>>65220007
>not just going to the fucking doctor
Oh wait they have to wait 6 months.

This thread is a good example of why anything not to do with actual gun owners just revolves into a /int/ or /pol/ thread.

>>65219145
I don't think it's intentional. I've worked with frogs a couple times in my life and they're just naturally insufferable pieces of shit.

>>65219575
>Charlemagne
The only reason brits call him that is that French speaking vikings raped them.
His name was Karl, he spoke an old German dialect, came from the Germanic tribe of the Franks that's still around in Germany and all he did in France was conquer gauls and replace their nobility while ruling from Aachen, Germany.
French literally didn't even exist as a language back then.

>>65219808
Interestingly, Germany has a long history of successful partnerships with numerous countries from all over Europe.
France does not.

>>65219792
Off topic crybaby bullshit

>>65219984
>falling for jewish psyops
kek
>>65220015
That's Canada and the UK, Germany has a different healthcare system.

>>65219811
Hasbara didn't like this one ig

>>65220098
>we wuzzing
Sorry bud. Charlemagne is French, Strasbourg is french, Nissa is french, Calais is rightful english clay.

>>65220110
"French" didn't exist at the time. He spoke Old Frankish which is so similar to German that anybody who knows German can just read reconstructed sentences of it. Ethnically he was also German and no weird celtic-roman mix.
He just conquered you mutts and put his men in charge of you while going back to Germany where Franks survive as a sub-ethnicity to this day.

>>65220124
Coping won't change history...

>>65220127
Indeed, conquered mutt.

>>65220109
>didn't like
Why would Israel even care? What is the rest of world going to do?

>>65219979
i'm italian and i confirm i love arab girls

>>65220158
Aren't they just more insane and incest-destroyed southern Italian girls with a greater propensity to get fat?

>>65219673

>least retarded 50 IQ online history dimwit

>>65219408

>a dimwit appears who thinks you need nuclear power stations to produce nuclear weapons

never gets old kek

>>65219673
The Kingdom of Germany came into existence through the Eastern Frankish Realm created by the Treaty of Verdun in 843 and was named after its inhabitants. It became a constituent part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.

>>65219113
kind of disappointed, but Germany can make a plane on its own anyway

Impreßive.
With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke marked the decline of both the West und the East and spelled a new era of rigorous austerity and peaceful regional dominance for the Bundesrepublik, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of franco-anglo-russian powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Deutsch quantum direct-current lazerpanzerwagen, second-generation Türkish heavy drones and currywurst submarines, will be the instruments with which Germany affirms its moderate stewardship of 21st century mittleeuropean politics and offers the European Union a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western and Eastern leadership and the opportunity for a more eco-friendly and fiscally responsible multilateralism.

>>65219792
>It's baffling how hard this is for some people
It's not
They're mudslimes or mudslime janissaries, simple as
Everything falls into place when you look at everything they do and say from the perspective of an enemy, because that's what they are
>muh humanitarian
They only apply our humanitarian laws when it's beneficial to themselves and NEVER when it's not
That's the number one biggest tell

>>65219792
>It's baffling how hard this is for some people
>>65220328
>>muh humanitarian
Kek, it's hard for them because Israel keeps attacking them.
>inb4 but they provoke it
How did Britain and France provoke the Lavon Affair?
How did America provoke the USS Liberty?
They want the sandnogs to retaliate so they can draw America into the war and either expand or destroy the enemies they want to expand into later. See, the Iran war.

>>65219113
>https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/fcas-deutsch-franzoesischer-kampfjet-ist-endgueltig-gescheitert/100231181.html
i dont speak weinerschintzel

>>65220321
pretty good, but you need to work in that germany can't into computing somehow

>>65220238
> was named after its inhabitants
No it wasn't
>Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.
not a thing

>>65220434
>No it wasn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Germany
>The Kingdom of Germany or the German Kingdom[a] was the mostly Germanic language-speaking East Frankish kingdom, which was formed by the Treaty of Verdun in 843.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
>The Holy Roman Empire,[e] also known as the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation

>>65219113
>Dassault ruin s everything
>again

>>65220450
>>65220434
I wonder what nation would be known as the board retards if we'd have regional flags. I think it's Canada on /sp/ but I haven't been there in 10 years and back then it was only to gloat.

>>65220450
>>65220465
Nice wiki articles, faggot, but you wouldn't need to maliciously use anachronisms, conveniently pretend as if germanic is the same as german, and use both in conjunction, had germany were not in fact, let's call it, "newcomer" to history.

>>65219979
Men that can't get women watch porn obsessively.
There's a reason the saudi slaves all make Saudi arabia an indian porn watching nation on these studies.

>>65220495
>you wouldn't need to maliciously use anachronisms
I haven't done so, anon. The Ottonians were very insistent on the whole "Kingdom of Germans" label over thousand years ago, because they weren't Franks and neither were many of their subjects.
>conveniently pretend as if germanic is the same as german
It wasn't called the Kingdom of Germanics, anon. It was called the Kingdom of Germans, which was used as a term for the different German tribes back then.
> had germany were not in fact, let's call it, "newcomer" to history.
>had germany were not in fact
>let's call it, "newcomer" to history.
kek
What kind of ESL are you, anon? Did the evil Germans genocide your granny or something?

>>65220340
>Israel keeps attacking them by hosting liberal concerts in Israel
Diabolical

>>65220504
>Men that can't get women watch porn obsessively.
>There's a reason the saudi slaves all make Saudi arabia an indian porn watching nation on these studies.
holy ESL,

>>65220537
I was more referring to the murders, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Surely you've heard of the USS Liberty before?
Here's a song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tphd-gw4nQQ

>>65220519
>The Ottonians were very insistent on the whole "Kingdom of Germans"
He didn't
>It wasn't called the Kingdom of Germanics, anon. It was called the Kingdom of Germans
You still don't get it, do you. Germans =/ Germanics.
It was called after historical region of Germania, but Germania didn't have well defined borders, it was basically the late medieval equivalent of "Orient"
To better illustrate the problem, if you have a problem with understanding it, imagine thinking that Northern Macedonia has ancient history, because Alexander the Great was a thing. Or better, because it will hit closer to a home. 12th century Prussia of pagan Balts, 15th century rump state of ducal Prussia, 19th century Prussia and 20th century Kaliningrad are not the same country.

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>>65219636
HMMMM I WONDER WHY CONTRACTS WITH FRANCE SUCK

>>65220576
>He didn't
He? That was a whole Dynasty, anon.
>You still don't get it, do you. Germans =/ Germanics.
How is that relevant to anything I wrote? The people in the German Kingdom were called Germans.
>It was called after historical region of Germania
It wasn't, the Latin name was Regnum Teutonicum, not Regnum Germanicum and in case you didn't know, Germans don't actually use the English term for themselves. It's just Deutsch or at that time frequently Teutsch.
>To better illustrate the problem
Nigger, you embarrassed yourself repeatedly now, the only thing you illustrated was your ignorance. And why are you ashamed of your own nation? Where are you from?

>>65220340
>lavon affair
You mean the "affair" that didn't happen because the Mossad officer was caught pretty much instantly because it was a half ass botched scheme that caused the head of Mossad to be fired?
>USS Liberty
You mean the US intelligence ship that against orders strayed into a active combat zone, and came under attack by Israeli aircraft using fragmentation rockets and napalm, the absolute LEAST effective weapons to use on ships? And during the attack the Israelis stopped multiple times because they weren't sure the ship they were attacking wasn't Egyptian? And after it became clear it was a American ship stopped attacking, offered assistance, and admitted fault? Also the Israelis paid damages, MULTIPLE TIMES.

Answer these you fucking rat.

>>65220596
>You mean the "affair" that didn't happen
>it's okay we tried to murder civilians of our allies and blame it on sandpeople because we're so incompetent we somehow failed every attempt in that particular episode
lmao
>You mean the US intelligence ship that against orders strayed into a active combat zone, and came under attack by Israeli aircraft using fragmentation rockets and napalm, the absolute LEAST effective weapons to use on ships?
Amazing new cope, Ben Shapiro. That totally makes up for intentionally shooting at your allies.

>>65220601
>can't make a rebuttal
Typical rat, lots of squealing and then running to a hole when the lights turn on.

>>65220576
>It was called after historical region of Germania
No.
>The Ottonians seem to have adopted the use of the "Teutonic" label as it helped them to counter critics who questioned how the Ottonians, who were neither Carolingian nor Frankish, could legitimately rule. The Ottonians, by calling themselves "German" kings, instead presented themselves as rulers of all peoples north of the Alps and east of the Rhine. This "German kingdom" was later regarded as a subdivision of the Empire alongside Italy, Burgundy and Bohemia.[25]
To quote Walther von der Vogelweide from about a millenium ago:
>Ich wil tiuschen frouwen sagen
>slhiu mære daz si deste baz
>al der werlte suln behagen:
>âne grôze miete tuon ich daz.

>Ich hân lande vil gesehen
>unde nam der besten gerne war:
>übel müeze mir geschehen,
>kunde ich ie mîn herze bringen dar
>daz im wol gevallen
>wolde fremeder site.
>nû waz hulfe mich, ob ich unrechte strite?
>tiuschiu zuht gât vor in allen.

>Tiusche man sint wol gezogen,
>rehte als engel sint diu wîp getân.
>swer si schildet, derst betrogen:
>ich entkan sîn anders niht verstân.

Can you spot the 3 times he explicitly speaks of Germans?

>>65220614
Anon, I know your moral framework doesn't work that way, since you also believe you can trick God by having special light switches or transferring your sins to a chicken, but it really doesn't matter if you're too incompetent to murder a bunch of women and children of your allies. The fact that you tried several times in one case alone is bad, because intention matters for morality and not slimy lawyer logic.

>>65220653
>still can't make a rebuttal
Please rat, just ONE, please just one.

>>65220586
>He? That was a whole Dynasty, anon.
I was thinking of Otto III
>The people in the German Kingdom were called Germans.
>It's just Deutsch or at that time frequently Teutsch.
No shit. And what does the Deutsche mean you retard?
>Nigger, you embarrassed yourself repeatedly now
I'm not the one pretending that modern state of Germany dates it's history back to thousand years ago because some German nationalists in 19th and 20th century tried to retcon shit like HRE of german nation. I am not arguing, that Germans did not exist one thousand years ago, I'm arguing that so called kingdom of Germany, HRE and modern Germany are different entities. Imagine pretending that European Union has 3 thousand years long history, because there are mentions of Evropa and unions in some ancient texts, sometimes even in the same page.

>>65220596
>>65220614
Just pack it up anon, they will never answer or make any sort of point, but will say anything but the topic at hand.

>>65220676
>No shit. And what does the Deutsche mean you retard?
Anon, it was used as an ethnic term in explicit contrast to others. See >>65220626
And no, it had nothing to do with "Germania"
>I'm not the one pretending that modern state of Germany dates it's history back to thousand years ago because some German nationalists in 19th and 20th century tried to retcon shit like HRE of german nation.
You don't even know what you're talking about lmao
The German Kingdom was not the HRE and the HRE of the German Nation / Sacrum Imperium Romanum Nationis Germanicae was called that long before the 19th century.
> am not arguing, that Germans did not exist one thousand years ago, I'm arguing that so called kingdom of Germany, HRE and modern Germany are different entities.
The German Kingdom was the Kingdom of Germans and the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation was a Nation of Germans. Not sure why that's so difficult for you to understand.

>>65220664
>rebuttal
>>65220653
>intention matters for morality and not slimy lawyer logic.
>>65220697
See above. He sperged out at me and I made that point several times now. Sorry you live in the moral framework of your inbred desert tribe.

>>65220340
>How did Britain and France provoke the Lavon Affair?
>>65220596
>You mean the "affair" that didn't happen because the Mossad officer was caught pretty much instantly because it was a half ass botched scheme that caused the head of Mossad to be fired?
>>65220697
You can samefag all you want, but you can't explain why it's okay for them to murder "allied" civilians.

>>65220708
>it was a nation of germans
Holy shit this is the equivalent of calling modern day Israelis "Judeans" fucking lamo. The very title was a creation of the fucking Romans.

>>65220732
>Holy shit this is the equivalent of calling modern day Israelis "Judeans" fucking lamo.
Nah.
>The very title was a creation of the fucking Romans.
Also wrong. Romans did not call Germanics Deutsch and it WAS used as an ethnic and exclusionary term. Hence why German poets wrote things like
>>Ich hân lande vil gesehen
>>unde nam der besten gerne war:
>>übel müeze mir geschehen,
>>kunde ich ie mîn herze bringen dar
>>daz im wol gevallen
>>wolde fremeder site.
>>nû waz hulfe mich, ob ich unrechte strite?
>>tiuschiu zuht gât vor in allen.
It's also why Czech Kingd of Bohemia did not get any voting rights for the Emperor in the HRE EXPLICITLY because they weren't German. But in the 600 years where they had German Kings they did get voting rights.
You keep confusing the English "German" with the words actually used at the time. See the poetry quote and try to find "German" there, you embarrassing retard.

>>65220714
You made no points. At all. You didn't deconstruct the argument, or apply any sort of logic, you just made ad hom' arguments which is the equivalent of squealing mindlessly. Maybe if your IQ was over 80 you'd understand this.

>>65220743
>just ignores basic facts
What fucking causes this.

>>65220747
There's no argument to desconstruct, I asked how the English and French "provoked" Israel to try to murder their civilians so it could be blamed on sandpeople (all of which Israel admitted) and it was never answered.

>>65220749
Basic facts like what, anon? You were proven wrong. There is cultural continuity there, the nations were explicitly German in nature, the laws of the HRE explicitly favored Germans and the people themselves considered themselves German.
You tried to weasel around it, you lied, but you can't change that.

>>65220719
>still can't make any arguments
Really.
>no multiple people disagree they must be Israel!
Go look outside, do you a Muslim collation attacking Israel? No? Do you see a UN army attacking Israel? No? Guess fucking what, hating Israel isn't that popular in the real world.

>>65220768
I don't care, anon. You didn't answer my question, you tried to move the goalpost and I didn't let you, so you cried because you lost. Answer the initial question or keep crying. >>65220340
>How did Britain and France provoke the Lavon Affair?

>>65220756
>provoked
They didn't. Because the operation never happened, this is the equivalent of screaming for the Commonwealth to declare war on the US for the existence of War Plan Red, or the entire US government to be tried for treason due to Operation Northwood. Ideas ≠ reality. If Israel authorized Susannah or the US government authorized Northwoods then they would be guilty of those crimes, yet for some reason precrime is a thing.

>>65220545
>I was more cherrypicking and whatabouting, instead of admitting that mudslimes are genocidal scum

>>65220783
It wasn't just an idea, it was attempted and failed. The operation did happen, it just didn't succeed.
So how did Britain and France provoke the Lavon Affair?

As you seem to be exceedingly dishonest and lack the capability to understand morality, you don't deserve any effort. So here's an AI summary:
>The Lavon Affair was not merely a proposed plan—it involved actual bomb placements and several actual explosions.

>The affair refers to a failed 1954 Israeli covert operation known as Operation Susannah, organized by elements of Israeli military intelligence in Egypt. The goal was to carry out small bomb attacks against selected Western and Egyptian civilian-linked targets and have the attacks blamed on other groups (such as the Muslim Brotherhood or Egyptian nationalists), thereby creating an impression of instability in Egypt. One strategic objective appears to have been influencing British policy regarding withdrawal from the Suez Canal zone.

>Some of those devices did detonate. The bombs were designed to explode after closing hours, often using an acid-delay mechanism.
>The explosions caused limited property damage and, as far as the available evidence indicates, did not cause civilian deaths or injuries.

>>65220790
You could've asked me and I'd have answered in the affirmative, both Israelis and Muslims are genocidal.

>>65220708
>And no, it had nothing to do with "Germania"
It does. Otto III did plan united Christendom with realms of Gallia, Germania, Slavia and Italia.
>the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation was a Nation of Germans.
>Not sure why that's so difficult for you to understand.
I'm too unsure why it's so hard for you to understand, that German nationalists did strawman on astronomical scale to retcon things like the HRE of German nations, because it wasn't that, and it wasn't called like that for 99,99% of times. Remind me, which country Voltaire did make fun of? Modern Germany is just Prussia with a facelift, to justify and legitimize their conquests, because HRE was not a country of Germans, it was extremely loose federation full of Italians, Czechs, Poles, Sorbs and others. Germans speaking of Ottonians is the same as certain Gremlin from Kremlin telling anecdotes about prince Vlad the third and how during his rule in 8th century the Earth entered a cooling phase, and so Ukraine should belong to Russia.

>>65220796
>It does. Otto III did plan united Christendom with realms of Gallia, Germania, Slavia and Italia.
Irrelevant to the point. The ethnic identity existed.
>I'm too unsure why it's so hard for you to understand
Might be because your English sucks.
>hat German nationalists did strawman on astronomical scale
Still irrelevant, anon.
>because it wasn't that, and it wasn't called like that for 99,99% of times.
Still a lie, anon. You can literally look it up right now, "of the German Nation" was not a 19th century addition and neither were the laws explicitly favoring Germans for imperial succession and the like.
>Remind me, which country Voltaire did make fun of?
Who cares? He wasn't a historian, he was a pedophilic proto-communist and he was wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFupezjUW0
>Modern Germany is just Prussia with a facelift, to justify and legitimize their conquests, because HRE was not a country of Germans, it was extremely loose federation full of Italians, Czechs, Poles, Sorbs and others
Then why did it have laws explicitly favoring Germans pretty much from the start and they did they add "of the German Nation" in 1512?
>extremely loose
Depended on the time period.
>Germans speaking of Ottonians is the same as certain Gremlin from Kremlin telling anecdotes about prince Vlad the third and how during his rule in 8th century the Earth entered a cooling phase, and so Ukraine should belong to Russia.
Anon, you're clearly a butthurt easterling. I assume you're either Polish or Russian, since those are the only ones that care and both are incredibly propagandized with fake history, but none of that tells me much because I don't give a fuck about Slavic shitholes. Your obsession is one-sided, gayboi.

>>65220792
>attempted and failed
>by 5 agents
>with no support or orders
Are you fucking serious.

>>65220847
>Were only 5 agents involved with no support or orders from above?
>No. The operation involved a larger covert network in Egypt, not just five isolated agents. The Egyptian trial ultimately included multiple defendants, and the network had handlers and connections to Israeli military intelligence.

>The major historical controversy was not whether there was direction from above, but how high the authorization went. It is generally accepted that the operation was organized by elements of Israeli military intelligence; the long-running dispute concerned whether Israeli Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon personally approved it.

>So: there was support and direction from Israeli military intelligence, but the exact chain of authorization at the highest political level remained disputed for years

I don't know what you're trying to do here, anon. Honestly, I don't actually care much about Israel, but you keep lying in a really, really dumb way to defend it. You could've just said the truth or went with "they did it because it served their interests and they don't care about killing others when it does" and it would've been fine.
Is this some kind of false flag LARP? Are you trying to make me dislike the jews or something with those transparent lies?
Sorry, man, I'm pretty apathetic about Israel, I'm just not lying about its nature.

>>65220820
>Irrelevant to the point. The ethnic identity existed.
Of people calling themselves a people?
>add "of the German Nation" in 1512?
Not fully officially and that name wasn't used. And why so late, I thought you already established it was done deal more than half of the millennium before that?
>easterling
Speaking of easterlings, HRE is legacy of Austria and Czechia, not some slavic kingdom of Prussia.

>>65220792
>>65220853
>unironically using AI as a source
is_this_nigga_serious.jpg

>>65220859
>Of people calling themselves a people?
It wasn't used that way, just because that's the literal meaning. It was used as an ethnic term to differentiate and exclude others. See the poetry I posted where the guy does exactly that and praises the virtue of German women, lands, men etc. None of that is just about "people" and in many other cases he directly talks about other ethnicities in comparison. Go look him up, he didn't like the pope much, but other than that he was alright.
>Not fully officially
Irrelevant. The Ethnic identity was there, hence you are completely wrong.
>and that name wasn't used.
It was, though we have authors from all over Europe referring to "German" (not "Germanic" but the actual term for Germans in their language) lands long before that.
>And why so late, I thought you already established it was done deal more than half of the millennium before that?
It was, it just wasn't part of the official name before that because the guys in charge were aware of the translatio imperii and nobody was retarded enough to think it actually referred to Romans. Go watch the video I linked, you clearly need the basics here.

Anyway, you've been conclusively proven wrong about your nonsense theories of "19th century nationalists rewriting history." You can seethe and cope all you want, but honestly, your initial nonsense was disproven and I don't see a reason to entertain further goalpost moving from you. You're welcome for the lesson though.

>>65220862
Nope.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Pinhas-Lavon
I just don't want to bother with disingenuous retards who lie in every post. You either knew what you wrote was complete nonsense or you made it up on the spot and actually believed it due to a severely broken mind.
Either way, you're not worth the effort.

>>65220859
>Of people calling themselves a people?
>Slavic leaders didn't get imperial voting rights, only Germans did
>slavs aren't people
...based slavtard?

>>65220853
>involved a larger covert network
>yet only 4 were killed and the other 5 were set free
Such large, much covert.
>how high did it go
Obviously not that high with the resources it had allocated to it, and the shakeup it caused in Israel. If this was fully backed by Israel then it would have succeeded, and no sorts of "investigations" or resignations would have happened, did Adolf Hitler fire the generals responsible for the Ardennes offensive in 1940?

>>65220879
>continues to deflect
Hey retard, explain why the operation had such little support, and why did the Israelis fire the current head of Mossad?

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>>65220886
>If this was fully backed by Israel then it would have succeeded
Next you'll say the IDF is a competent army.

>>65220888
>such little support
Headcanon.
>why did the Israelis fire the current head of Mossad
Because he failed and was caught trying to murder civilians of allied nations.

GG, boy. Go eat some lox on a bagel or whatever

>>65220874
>The Ethnic identity was there, hence you are completely wrong.
But I have never denied that Germans as people existed. Stop moving the goalpost.
>guys in charge were aware of the translatio imperii and nobody was retarded enough to think it actually referred to Romans
But I have never commented on the Roman part, did you just copy one of your old answers by a force of habit?
>You're welcome for the lesson though.
Behold the power of 2 wiki articles, I'm sure you are well read, and uh, apparently have those 2 bookmarked.

>>65220881
But Slavs did have a representation. Italians didn't, so Italians aren't a people?

>>65220889
>looks at their success so far
I mean by your own measurements they rule the world and shit but whatever.
>reeeeee
Yeah they did completely mog the Soviets during Rimon 20, and destroy multiple armies larger than themselves but whatever. Odd how the IDF is this unstoppable genocidial juggernaut and at the same time completely incapable of basic operations.

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>>65219113
>https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/fcas-deutsch-franzoesischer-kampfjet-ist-endgueltig-gescheitert/100231181.html
>GET FUCKED FROGS

This is the moment, remember this day as that you witness the fall of the bickering firangis and the rise of Bharat to her rightful heir as Eurasian Superpower status. As you bicker we cooperate. As you backstab we stand together 100 crore strong. The flag of the world will be Indian. The powerful 5th gen Vikrant will prove unstoppable as we dominant from Himalaya to English channel as colonizer goes under the fist.

>>65220893
>headcannon
Uh the fact that less than 10 agents overall and out of those only 2 were found guilty? Mossad had HUNDREDS of agents in Egypt at the time.
>gg
Go eat a 9mm, which was the last meal of your leader.

>>65220901
Kek >>65220576
>You still don't get it, do you. Germans =/ Germanics.
>It was called after historical region of Germania
>>65220495
>anachronisms
>>65220434
>>Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.
>not a thing
>>65220495
>had germany were not in fact, let's call it, "newcomer" to history.
All proven wrong.
Sorry, buddy, Germany has existed for over a thousand years, it's been there before your shithole and your seething won't change a thing. Though the year 873 is hard to beat, so don't feel too sad about it.
>inb4 nations don't matter, only the current state counts!
Your shithole's about 30 years old then, commie (ethnic slur).
>But Slavs did have a representation
Czech kings of Bohemia were denied imperial voting rights explicitly due to not being German. During the 600 years when Bohemia was German-led that was not am issue, because Germans are Germans.
You can pretend "Deutsch" just means "of the people," but in that case Slavs are either not people or it was used as an ethnic term by Germans for Germans.
We know it was, of course, since we have the poet I quoted and countless others using it exactly like that (which you keep trying to ignore because you have no ability to respond there).

In short, you lost. I hope you have a nice Tuesday, easterling, mine started with a flawless victory.
But I'll let you have the last word I won't read, maybe you can save some dignity in front of the nice strangers online with the incoming cope.

>>65220903
>look, look, we can beat Arabs and communists with a fuckton of western support!
Implessive.
>inb4 ISRAEL DID IT ALL ON ITS OWN NOBODY EVER SUPPORTED US
Kek
>>65220912
>sorry but the courts only found a few Israelis guilty so nobody else was involved, duh
Yes, yes, Epstein totally committed suicide and all those countless pedophiles fleeing to Israel did nothing wrong because they left the county before they were thrown in jail.

>>65220538
late but it makes perfect sense to me: their argument is that these statistics overrepresent demographics who have to use porn as a substitute for real companionship, and therefore aren't representative of the nation as a whole
as an example, they point out that the popularity of indian porn in saudi arabia isn't becauase the saudis are into indians, but because they imported a load of indian men for menial labor jobs who have no other access to women
the popularity of "arab" porn therefore just means that a disproportionately large portion of arab men are incels and/or porn addicts relative to the nation as a whole
another thing I should point out is that these "most popular genre" maps don't indicate that the tag in question is searched for by the majority: if, for example, there's 100 different genres where one has 2% of searches and the rest all have under 1%, the 2% search would be presented as the "most popular" despite only representing 2% of actual searches

>>65220955
>mine started with a flawless victory.
>incoming cope
>You can seethe and cope all you want
Oh look, isn't that some pure blooded German (1/64 Prussian naturally) projecting much?
Modern state of Germany (culturally Prussian) has nothing to do with kingdom of Germany, kingdom of Germania, or king of Germans, used by people like you in bad faith, whichever suits them better. Those are empty titles, used like king of Romans, king of Vandals and similar, by all kinds of rulers, Europeans or not. It doesn't bring the same power to argument like kingdom of Denmark, kingdom of France and dozens others.
>Sorry, buddy, Germany has existed for over a thousand years, it's been there before your shithole and your seething won't change a thing.
That's adorable to assume that 1000 years old country is old by European standards. Not like Prussia is close to that, tho.

Germans, join GCAP so we can do the Axis 2 ft. The United Kingdom from the Imperial Dominion series

>>65221565
Why do you hate GCAP?

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>>65221565
I hope that will be it. No redesign of the fighter itself, just let Airbus Defence&Space do local production + perhaps integration of German hard&software on the German planes.
And maybe take the lead on a wingman drone.
>>65221571
it's silly to pretend this couldn't work. The existing GCAP design already fits the German air force's needs quite well + Germany can provide the necessary funding.

>>65221571
Hating GCAP would be asking France to join.

>>65221552
>prussia obsession
yup, it's a polish war tourist without guns

>>65219120
True. If I were in Germany's position I'd rather by beholden to an isolationist nation that is startlingly predictable than the fucking French, who may or may not decide to just randomly declare me too left/right-wing and try to castrate me. Especially when their history of refusing to cooperate with other nations has lasted longer than one presidency.

>>65221571
Meanwhile German Collaborations:
> 1888 | Gewehr 88 Commission Rifle | Austria
> 1917 | Albatros D.III (Oef) fighter | Austria-Hungary
> 1917 | Phönix D-series fighters | Austria-Hungary
> 1935 | Heinkel He 111 licensed production | Spain
> 1937 | Messerschmitt Bf 109 licensed production and development | Spain
> 1938 | Jumo aircraft engine cooperation | Italy
> 1939 | Bf 109 licensed development | Hungary
> 1940 | Bf 109 licensed production | Romania
> 1941 | Reggiane fighters using German engines and systems | Italy
> 1944 | Me 262 technology transfer program | Japan
> 1944 | Type XXI submarine technology transfer program | Japan
> 1976 | Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) | United States
> 1979 | Panavia Tornado | United Kingdom, Italy
> 2001 | Fennek reconnaissance vehicle | Netherlands
> 2003 | Eurofighter Typhoon | United Kingdom, Italy, Spain
> 2003 | Tiger attack helicopter | Spain
> 2005 | COBRA counter-battery radar | United Kingdom
> 2005 | IRIS-T missile family | Sweden, Italy, Greece, Norway, Canada
> 2005 | TAURUS KEPD 350 cruise missile | Sweden
> 2006 | Type 212A submarine | Italy
> 2007 | NH90 helicopter | Italy, Netherlands, Belgium
> 2008 | SeaRAM | United States
> 2009 | Boxer armored fighting vehicle | Netherlands, United Kingdom
> 2011 | MEADS air and missile defense system | United States, Italy
> 2020s | Arrow 3 missile defense integration | Israel, United States
> 2020s | Type 212CD submarine | Norway
> 1976 | Rolling Airframe Missile | United States
> 1979 | Panavia Tornado | United Kingdom, Italy
> 2003 | Eurofighter Typhoon | United Kingdom, Italy, Spain
> 2005 | IRIS-T | Sweden, Italy, Greece, Norway, Canada
> 2005 | TAURUS KEPD 350 | Sweden
> 2006 | Type 212A submarine | Italy
> 2007 | NH90 helicopter | Italy, Netherlands, Belgium
> 2009 | Boxer armored fighting vehicle | Netherlands, United Kingdom
> 2020s | Type 212CD submarine | Norway

I could go on without the limits of /k/.
It just werks, working with France doesn't.

>>65219979
You ever notice how Norway and Finland look like a dick and balls...

>>65221683
I wonder if it's the same schizo pole who used to get banned constantly for spamming his nonsense images about "history." We've had like a dozen of the butthurt freaks from there since the war started, but his writing style reminds me of that guy.

>>65220955
>poet I quoted
>In the 19th century, the poem was rediscovered by German nationalists
Yup, exactly my point. You have this new nation, that scored big victory recently and now they gaslight everyone, including themselves, as being best at war, best at peace, best at everything. But then you have that idea bursting at the seams, because if Germans are all powerful, where is their history, and where are the conquests? So you have an angry mob of historians finding any mention of Deutsche, or Teuton, or similar, ignoring all context, or straight up retconning shit like tribe names, because they don't like what they imply. Oh and the entire nation throwing children like tantrum, because now you want your colonies, like every other European nation, relevant or not. And stuff like Hitler seething at German mud huts, because he was so sure that Germany was thriving ancient civilization.
>>Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.
>not a thing
Yeah, because you argued that it came to be as that, not that it was something like that by 19th century. 10th century HRE of German nation was not a thing. Oh and who was the king of Germany in 1820, would you be so kind to remind me? By the similar logic Austria has 3 thousand years old history.
>muh slavs that, muh slavs this, what's your nationality blah blah blah
>starts seething at Poland
Someone is insecure

>>65221725
>Yup, exactly my point
So you don't have one, because the poem existed back then, people noticing later and correctly saying "there was already a German ethnicity and nation that saw itself as such and we have a direct line to it" does not magically make it not exist.
>Yeah, because you argued that it came to be as that, not that it was something like that by 19th century.
The "of the German Nation" addendum happened centuries before that.
> 10th century HRE of German nation was not a thing
The Kingdom of Germany was and Germans recognized each other as Germans in their Kingdom.
This is too easy, keep impotently seething as you lose every point though, it's funny

>>65221751
So who was king of Germany in 1820? Surely it was not just an empty ceremonial title, right?
>The Kingdom of Germany was and Germans recognized each other as Germans in their Kingdom.
Ve vuz Kangz and shieeet
>We call ourselves Deutsche in 1800s, and it obviously means that our 19th century common identity is the very same identity that any Deutsche felt at any point in time in history
>The "of the German Nation" addendum happened centuries before that.
That's half of millennium ago, quite the gap from 9th or 10th century. It's easy to point out, because dishonest Germans use it always as some kind of proof, that HRE was the first German nation state, and it may work for random historylets, but some may point out the anachronism. Of course use of exonyms to validate "Germany" follows.

>>65221787
>So who was king of Germany in 1820?
Who cares? A nation exists without a king. You're not making any point, polak. You're just seething.
>That's half of millennium ago, quite the gap from 9th or 10th century.
It's enough to prove you wrong about your lies about the 19th century. People called themselves German in the German Kingdom centuries before that though, see the poem.
>Germans use it always as some kind of proof, that HRE was the first German nation state
I didn't do that, the first German state began 843 with the Treaty of Verdun, not with the HRE.
>anachronism
>>Ich wil tiuschen frouwen sagen
>>slhiu mære daz si deste baz
>>al der werlte suln behagen:
>>âne grôze miete tuon ich daz.
>>Ich hân lande vil gesehen
>>unde nam der besten gerne war:
>>übel müeze mir geschehen,
>>kunde ich ie mîn herze bringen dar
>>daz im wol gevallen
>>wolde fremeder site.
>>nû waz hulfe mich, ob ich unrechte strite?
>>tiuschiu zuht gât vor in allen.
>>Tiusche man sint wol gezogen,
>>rehte als engel sint diu wîp getân.
>>swer si schildet, derst betrogen:
>>ich entkan sîn anders niht verstân.
It's not an anachronism, the German Kingdom was called the German Kingdom and people there (Franks, Saxons etc.) called themselves Germans while the King was addressed as King of the Germans.
There are 3 examples in the verses above.
The funniest thing is, of course, that you were subjugated throughout most of your history and by your logic your own country is about 30 years old and didn't exist in any form most of the time.
Keep seething.

germans really are the fucking worst.

>>65221787
>Germany is a 19th century invention!
>here's the official name 500 years ago
>here's a source chalking about Germany 1000 years ago
>b-b-but where's the king??????
Lmao, it's been years since I've seen such desperate goalpost moving.
Meanwhile Martin Luther directed one of his writings directly to the "Christian nobility of the German Nation."
>>65221806
Buckbroken.

>>65220962
>immediete deflecting to epstein whining
Lmao brown peepo are so funny

>>65221800
>Who cares?
You care, your entire argument of German state being 1100 years old is based on that title. So who was the king of Germany in 1820?
>People called themselves German in the German Kingdom
of what kingdom, I thought it was irrelevant. People also called themselves slavs centuries before Slovakia or Slovenia existed.
>The funniest thing is, of course, that you were subjugated throughout most of your history
What nation? Let me guess
>polak
Of course it is. Poland was subjugated most of its history from the perspective of the very young country, so no wonder a person from the country that came to existence in the 19th century thinks that.
>is about 30 years old
Is that amerimutt education? Poland was not part of USSR, but when not on the map, title of king of Poland still existed, and by the very same logic you apply to Germans, Poland is pretty much as old as Germany is.
And the funny part? Seething at Poland is part of Prussian identity, because your average Deutsche and Poles had rather warm relations throughout history. That does not include German Prussians, naturally, who came to be subjugated by kingdom of Poland, and later treated Poland as a life and death issue, for good reasons. For references, see the modern borders. Your average modern German seething at Poland is the damning evidence, because it is quite telling that modern Germany came not from the legacy of HRE.

>>65221896
>You care, your entire argument
Nah. My argument is that there was a German nation (not even state) which recognized itself as such and the inhabitants did so too. It really doesn't matter if there's a king or not.
>of what kingdom, I thought it was irrelevant. People also called themselves slavs centuries before Slovakia or Slovenia existed.
Okay? Who cares? This isn't about Germanics (who recognized their blood and cultural ties in our oldest sources already, see Caesar) but about Germans.
Skipped reading the rest of your post because you're clearly just seething and still haven't understood the difference between nation and state.
Hint: The current form of your state is very young, your nation is younger than the German one. You can pretend that doesn't matter and only a piece of paper saying there'sa state does, but in that case, the Polish nationality just did not exist for long periods of time, which would be insane and retarded.
Of course, with the German Kingdom and HRE there were explicitly German states, but even if there weren't, that would only matter if you admit that Poles did not exist during the partitions.

>>65221896
How does this relate to FCAS?

>>65221922
Imagine, if you will, a nation of ethno-narcissists with the historical "creativity" and victim complex of blacks and the never-ending seething and chip on their shoulder of Jews.
There's always a way for them to make things about themselves and how you secretly want to genocide them. You may not know, but you definitely do. In their world at least.

>>65221921
>difference between nation and state.
It's you, who assumes that some ancient nation is the same as a modern one. If EU were to become federation tomorrow, how old that's nation history would be according to you? Because by the arguments of a German way, as old as the oldest mention of the word "Europeans".

Are there people who deny that germans have existed for a long time what the fuck is the goal here?

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>>65221698
>he unironically cites the NH90 as a successful collaboration

>>65221953
That would be a state, you retard lmao
A nation requires an ethnic group considering themselves one people of common blood and culture differentiated from outside groups.
The Kingdom of Germany had that.
>>65221957
The pole moved the goalpost like 8 times now, but that's pretty much what it boils down to. Their education system isn't the best and they get daily anti-German propaganda on TV so you can't expect much.
At least it's pretty funny when their politicians whine about Germans poisoning rivers that flow from East to west to harm them though.

>>65221957
Glavset melty, they get paid to do this.

>>65221967
>A nation requires an ethnic group considering themselves one people of common blood and culture differentiated from outside groups.
Are you retarded? Almost all Europeans have common blood and culture, and many people nowadays feel as Europeans. If I recall correctly, the numbers are particularly high among Germans.
>The pole
It's absolutely hilarious, how you pretty much completely skipped over mentioned French and Italians, and the moment slavs come to an argument, it's like a red rag to a bull. Had you started seething at French or Italians, I would bring relevant arguments, lite modern Germans being turbo schizo about Charlemagne. But...
>did just anyone mention slavs? slavsvslavslavshit reeee slavs means poles polespolespolaks sheisssssseeeeee
You literally can't help yourself. I will repeat myself, that's quite the damning evidence of German national identity, because 18thc Prussians at the end of the day have little to do with 10thc Germans. Are you so ashamed of Prussian history that you have to larp as early medieval Germans?

>>65222003
Europeans don't share a common language or culture, anon. Germans 1000 years ago spoke mutually understandable dialects I can read to this day. Europe is not a nation, Europeans are made up of many nations.
>polak schizo babble
Kek, why are you so ashamed of your identity?

Aaaand it didn't take one day and Airbus and Germany announced a domnestic 6th gen team kek - told you since February.

Also stop talking about Germany and its history, your 50 IQ knowledge is peak copecringe kek

>>65222028
source?

>>65222022
>Germans 1000 years ago spoke mutually understandable dialects I can read to this day.
What a load of bullshit, no, you can't. You will barely understand the mentioned poet, before that it's pure gibberish. And not an argument, similar language is not a basis for nationality, slavs are not a nation.
>Europeans don't share a common language or culture
First one is irrelevant, for the latter - yes they do

>>65222055
>What a load of bullshit, no, you can't
It's actually easier than modern bavarian. Would you say they're not German?
>Slavs
Irrelevant, I'm not talking about Germanics but those Germans living in the Kingdom of Germany that had a common identity as Germans and called themselves such, often in differentiation to Italians and others which the aforementioned poet also did. Especially when he talked shit about the pope.
>speaking a common language is irrelevant for a nationality
Polish intellectuals, everyone.

>>65222028
>Airbus and Germany announced a domnestic 6th gen team
yes but that doesn't mean the German gov will give them a contract to develop a fighter plane. We will see.
>>65222052
https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/nach-fcas-aus-allianz-um-airbus-tochter-will-eigenes-kampfjetprojekt-starten-a-0831cd76-bdd5-4bd0-90e6-d79b2845d3c2

>>65222076
>yes but that doesn't mean the German gov will give them a contract to develop a fighter plane
airbus manching is pretty much the only one with any relevant experience with regard to advanced FCS for jet fighter, from X-31 to EF2000, so if they want to develop any manned aerial platform, it's doubtful anyone could replace airbus

>>65222082
yes but it's not a given that Germany will go at a manned platform on its own. It's also possible we will just buy GCAP and/or F-35.

>>65222060
>It's actually easier than modern bavarian
You have problem understanding modern German regionalisms, but you think you will understand old high German and its regionalisms? Are you actually insane?
>speaking a common language is irrelevant for a nationality
It's irrelevant in that context. Would slapping English as an official language would somehow make an European nationality more valid? Those other languages? Those are just regionalisms. Or maybe German, so EU2100, a place where everyone speaks German, how old is that country or/and its nation?

>>65222060
>>What a load of bullshit, no, you can't
>It's actually easier than modern bavarian
It sure is. Watch and tell me if you understand anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hweknZwUhTI

>>65222104
I said it's easier, not that Bavarian is impossible. And that's middle-high German. You're not very smart, are you?
>official language
Kek, you still don't understand the difference between a state and a nation. The commies really did a number on you canister heads, huh?
Laws and regulations don't matter at all. You really have the perfect slave-mentality.
>>65222109
Kek

>>65222076

They will - behind the scenes they've been working on it for month, don't know why the kicked the frogs in the balls much earlier - Dassault should never be considered ever again. They will officially kickstart it at the ILA in Berlin

>>65222181
not saying you're necessarily wrong, but how do you know? the German gov didn't officially comment yet.

Why are the majority of Euganda's joint projects doomed to such embarrassing failures and cancellations?

>>65222188

I work in the Diehl Group, not in the defence sector, but you hear things

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>>65222200
ok, hope you're right, would be awesome desu.

>>65219113
Is there any chance for Euro procurement to get unfucked after the boomers die off and some of the stress gets taken off the budget from entitlement spending/pensions etc falling off or are they just permanently cooked?

>>65219113
I always wonder if those melt-inducing ragebaiting threads are populated by genuinely concerned euro citizen or just procurement glowies like myself. Or just russian, american or chinese psyopers, really. I don't know.

>>65222211
Money was never the issue. For Germany at least.

>>65222215
a mix of germans, turd worlders; and some americans.

>>65219113
S

>>65220596
>lavon affair
The men involved were given awards by the Israeli president in 2005 you silly jew.

>>65221698
Italy seems to be the only country that can work with everybody considering they never had issues even with the french

>>65224603
Wine and a good meal smooths everything over.

>>65219476
>The keyword there being "serious" because Krauts could spend half of their GDP and still accomplish fuckall. Their sue-happy culture, sea of red tape and the short span in which their budgets are applied and must be accounted for are lethal to long-term procurement, economies of scale, force regeneration and rearmament in general.
TIL Germans are American.

>>65221696
The US is NOT predictable. It is a schizo BPD nation that swings wildly between left and right every 4 years and this tendency is increasing in amplitude every election cycle. The only constant is its slavish subservience to Israel, itself a wildly unpredictable arsonist of a country. Europe should and is divesting itself from the US. In this case, France and Germany will go their own separate ways but still without the US.

>>65224757
>America is unpredictable
Heh.
>slave to Israel
Hahaha
>europe should
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>65224519
Yeah for surviving torture. Cry more.

>>65224776
Shalom

>>65220775
>continues to mumble about France and Britain
Guess what, IT WASN'T AUTHORIZED, IT WAS STOPPED BEFORE IT HAPPENED. AND THE HEAD OF MOSSAD WAS FIRED FOR EVEN SUGGESTING IT.

>>65224786
Cry rat.

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>Cry rat

>>65224812
Gotta love Emperor Hadrian for culling so many of them that they're now a genetic deadend.

>>65224812
>>65224825
>continues to deflect
This is why you have lost every single war against Israel.

>>65224853
>projecting

>>65224853
you appear to be making the mistake of thinking only browns are fed up with your shit

>>65224867
>>65224880
>projection
Name the single war the Arabs/Palestinians won against Israel.
>p-people are fed up
The only people that have done anything against Israel are libshits that got BTFO, name the shipments of weapons that have been withheld, name the embargos and blockades of Israel, name the travel bans on Israel. Go on, I'll wait.

>>65224889
>weaponshipments
how do you get there from a statement saying the vibe is shifting amongst people that arent brown?
do you think smugly posting "nothing happened yet" is going to help your cause? you are on a level with nafotroons and vatniggers at this point

>>65224889
>moving the goalpost
>palestine/arabs out of nowhere

>>65222181
>behind the scenes they've been working on it for month
there's even an alternative to the NGFE without Airbus
because the French Airbus chimpout was kinda expected internally after FCAS would collapse

not sure if they'll publish it this week at the ILA
but at least a press release is due in a few days
I'm only in an adjacent team
but as far as I know plans for a fully internally developed adaptive-cycle, low-bypass afterburning stealth fighter turbofan optimized for supercruise are pretty mature
the team started when it was clear that FCAS would go shit itself
and also with the goal to compete for non-European/non-US fighter projects in the 2030s

>>65222200
>I work in the Diehl Group, not in the defence sector, but you hear things
it's funny how you could easily tell FCAS was failing like a year ago just form flurfunk
i remember my supervisor's supervisor being absolutely furious like every they returned from Paris / Courcouronnes or Berlin