>France already out (shock)>First test flight in fucking 2029Us euro's are going to fuck this one up too huh?
>>65223315>(shock)>euro'sThirdwolder cope thread.
>>65223326What are you talking about kk hond?
>>65223315If (US) history is anything to go by, you guys aren't really a union in the modern sense until you have a civil war. So good luck with that.
>>65223315was this going to be a 358 magnet anyways?
why cant france and germany agree on things.
>>65223315that's your drone?i don't like it
>>65223315You will have the best drone of 2015 ready for action in 2035.
>>65223423@grok put a mosaic censor over the microphone
>>65223315What kind of drone is it there could be a couple uses for it?
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>>65223315>be france>claim that you want european cooperation>non french engine (italian avio aero) gets choosen>leave the project.
>>65224846Avio Aero isn't an Italian company. It's a subsidiary of General Electric, meaning its products are ITAR restricted. The French wanted a 100% ITAR-free bill of materials.
>>65223315this meme should be canned too desuthere is a private German company with a MALE UAV too already, Aerodata with the Aeroforce X
>>65224887AvioAero is an italian company that was bought by General Electric, they have IPs that are not owned by GE, which they used to make the Catalyst 1300-ED1 Engine for the Eurodrone which is 100% ITAR free. Once again, Frogniggers sperg out without knowing anything. No wonder FCAS died with you in the mix.
>>65224846It's a tale old as time, France doesn't want an Europe free from US influence, they just want to control Europe themselves. "buy european" means "buy french or we'll do anything in our power to fuck everything up".
>>65223329hollanders zijn de israeliers van europa
>EU stronk!>their answer to the Reaper is a worse drone with 100x costkek euro trannies are so pathetic
>>65224940Why do you call us trannies when the highest concentration both in numbers and per capita of trannies is the US? Not to mention how how the mentality and political movement to make everyone a tranny and to export such perversions was born and has been developed as a core US facet of life. Nothing can summarize the US better than a black tranny doing a fent lean in the parking lot of a goyslop fastfood restaurant. If you've gotta insult us, at least come up with something that actually fits, instead of just slapping your own faults unto us.
>>65225014Bodied that mutt freak
>>65224909Same on the french side. Pretty much anyone, including France and Germany, can work faster and cheaper than can France + Germany when they have to agree on things.
>>65225014>per capita of trannies is the US?False. It is Germany and Sweden.US and Brazil are about tied for overal number.https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/trans-population-by-country
>>65225581Your own source proves my point and contradicts yours since they are comparing the whole mental illness spectrum against just trannies.
>>65225581I'm not buying these numbers one bit. Seems like overinflated bullshit everywhere.
>>65225014NTA>core US facet of lifeLOL You've been on the internet entirely too much if you believe that load of bullshit.
>>65224909>Aeroforce XIt appears they are influenced a lot from Turkish Aksungur. But 40 hours endurance is not good, as Turkish one's endurance is 60+ hours with TEI turbodiesels
>>65224919The french just want to use European projects so other people can pay for them while they reap all the benefits. They demanded that FCAS should have been 80% french jobs and tech while germany pays for it. No wonder the Germans backed out
>>65225739no?
>>65224940>worse than Reaper Seeing how those drones are shot down by literal sandniggers to the point that US is running out of them (having to buy parts from storage), I doubt it's worse
>>65223315How is it Australia is doing better with their home made drone compared to Europe?
>>65226334>american educationimprove your reading comprehension, because your school system failed you
>>65225392yup. France can pursue the Aarok, Germany can pursue the Aeroforce X. These politically forced projects should all be canned, same for MGCS. Germany and France can still collaborate where it actually makes sense, e.g. ballistic missiles.
>>65226550The answer is written on the side.>t. an Australian who wishes we actually could have done it ourselves>>65226550
>>65225896>They demanded that FCAS should have been 80% french jobs and tech while germany pays for itYou keep spreading this lie. Germany wanted to turn 50/50 with lead in 4 out of 5 pillars into 33/33/33 with lead in all 5 because they added Airbus Spain (which doesn't have aerospace worth a damn). It's basically the same stunt that Germany pulled with the Eurofighter.
>>65227538wrong. Germany did not demand lead in all pillars, and Dassault demanded absolute authority in the main pillar, the NGF. The French government backed them. The failure of the project is France's fault.
>>65223315I think recent conflicts have proven cheaper OWA munitions to be the more effective than million-dolllar UAVs.
>>65223315The company I work for is developing AI drone swarm on the side that can navigate the tightest tunnels. Currently they're looking for monetization options and retards refuse any kind of mil application. So they're mostly talking to construction and mining companies instead, like absolute mongoloids.
>>65227514Its a feature, not a bug
>>65223315>Us euro's are going to fuck this one up too huh?france proposed it to be a bigger mq9 single enginegermany wanted a dual engine for safety guess what
>>65227541>Germany did not demand lead in all pillars save for the main oneyet they fucked had it lmao
>>65227687fucking*
>>65223315Are giant, million dollar drones, even the meta anymore?
>>65227687no. what are you talking about? are you trying to do this embarrassing gaslighting tactic again about how the NGF pillar which France got the lead on was somehow not the main pillar? and yet the lead wasn't enough for them, they wanted absolute authority, which is why the project failed.
>>65227701>here Germany, you can have all 4 other pillars, that are less important, you and your Spanish subsidiary. We'll take the main pillar since we have more experience regardless. What ? You want decision over the most important pillar, the only one i control, and therefore have control over all pillars ? No, i'm out. Somehow ends up being the fault of the Frenchoids. Typical Germans as always
>>65227712Germany got the lead on 2 pillars, France on 2, Spain on 2. France got the two most important, NGF and engine.Note, lead doesn't mean absolute control, because it was still meant as a joint project. Decisions should be made jointly. France demanded full control over the most important pillar, relegating the German side to a sub-contractor.That is what France doesn't understand about cooperation and that is why the project failed.
>>65227723Look I know Germans are disingenuous, but your picture is wrong. EUMET GmbH is German based and Airbus Spain has serious roots in Airbus Germany. Your little picture is outdated (2020)
>>65227753>EUMET GmbH is German based where a company is registered doesn't matter, Safran was the most important player in the Eumet Joint venture. But they got along fine with MTU and ITP because their CEO isn't a cocksucker like Eric Trappier>and Airbus Spain has serious roots in Airbus Germanyno, it's rooted in Spanish CASA while the German Airbus branch is rooted in German DASADassault deliberately made unacceptable demands and French politicians backed them, that is why the project failed.
>>65227764>where the company is registered doesn't matteroh yeah i'm sure whoever is paying taxes to what government doesn't fucking matter hahaahhaSince where the company is based doesn't matter, offshoring is okay now ? I mean mauybe in the mind of a German. DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES IN DER VELT ! AlsoCASA --> EADS --> Airbus Defence and space. That is based in germany, again.I think i'm done arguing.Dassault might be a bunch of faggots, but you Germans are so fucking annoying to work and have the gall to lie straight to someone's face.
>>65227772Eumet is just a joint venture, what really matters behind is the companies behind that joint venture, namely safran, mtu, itp. Who have facilities in france, germany, spain. And those facilities employ people, do work and pay their taxes in the respective host countries.and no, the Spanish sector wasn't somehow magically sent to Germany.you don't know what you are talking about.
>>65227764>their CEO isn't a cocksucker like Eric TrappierTrappier was the only one at Dassault that was in favor of doing the FCAS with the germans. He went against his whole board, and then got fucked by airbus.Dassault is also working on their Vortex (spaceplane project) in parallel, and they teamed up with OHB (german) and Arkadia space (spanish), and they don't seems to have any problems...
>>65227779>Trappier was the only one at Dassault that was in favor of doing the FCAS with the germans.good joke mate. I'm not falling for your gaslighting and thankfully the German gov didn't either.
>>65227778>1 company of the project is based in france>1 company of the project is based in spain>3 companies of the project is based in germany>germans don't have the control of the program, what are you talking about, it's the fault of the frenchies !!!You have been proven to lie, manipulate, obuscate facts. Go enjoy your Eurofighter 2.0 (without the british that are better than you at making warplanes) that will be 20 years too late and obsolete in another 20.
>>65227789Airbus is based in the Netherlands, ADS is merely a subsidiary. So by your childish logic, FCAS was primarily a Dutch project. But again, you don't know what you are talking about.and regarding the alternatives, hopefully Germany will join GCAP, get some junior participation. Probably about the same workshare it would've got in FCAS if Dassault got its way, but for a lower price and with a better fighter in the end.fact remains is that Dassault and the French gov provoked this outcome and you are denying objective facts.
>>65227804And i'll be laughing my ass off when you get denied, vetoed, or they just want your money lmao
>>65223400>Europeans have never fought each otherfucking hell
>>65227809even in that case Germany will have a more capable air force than France very soon. But I appreciate that you stopped pretending to argue with arguments or in good faith.
>>65223315So that's just a giant mock-up?
>>65227822>i can't WAIT to be a customer country, just to show the fucking french how it's done, HAHA Oh yeah you are german all right, ass
>>65227830no, as I said I'd prefer a participation in GCAP for the long-term Eurofighter replacement. But for the intermediate term an additional order of F-35A would be sensible. Not sure the pilots are that concerned about where the fighter was built when they go up against Su-35s and MiG-31s, I think they rather go in a stealthy F-35 than a non-stealthy Eurofighter or Rafale.the thing is, dassault&france wanted to relegate the German side to sub-contractor or almost customer status while demanding equal funding which is ridiculous. Especially since the anglo/american alternatives are more capable.
>>65227844looks like your own government is more interested in an airbus based project. So a project paid by Airbus civil aviation, so money made by the french. LMAO.You'll never get into GCAP.
>>65227844that desire to be someone bitch just to stick it to your neighbour, ensuring that you'll never be free, has to be genetic
>>65227854no, German gov hasn't made a statement on that so far + the work would be done by military ADS. You can just stop posting now, it's ok.>>65227856I'm merely recognizing the fact Germany likely can't design a capable fighter jet on its own in a reasonable timeframe. GCAP and F-35 are the next best options. Do you disagree with this or are you just here to talk shit?
>>65227856btw the desire not to be a bitch is why FCAS was terminated.
>>65227814NTA, but… Not after becoming the European Union, no.
>>65223315So what’s the plan now? Are we back to “wait for a new president and pretend everything is fine now and no one made an ass of themselves”? You know, like Orban?
>>65227866>the work would be done by military ADSHOLY FUCK oh my god you fucking germanic tyskerbarn, how can you be this manipulative ?? The military part of Airbus has been bleeding money for years and it's the commercial Airbus is effectively backstopping you german retards. Holy fucking shit. I'm done arguing with you, fucking spastic. Look everyone at this manipulative dipshit. The average german, jaja.
>>65227884it would be paid for by the German gov to ADS. ADS would make that project for Airbus as a whole. Airbus won't fund it privately, obviously.>I'm done arguingyou never brought anything reasonable, but great that you will stop.
>>65227894Stakkars deg
>>65227896just fuck off back to /int/, embarrassing faggot.
>>65227899Fuck off back to int yourself, i've been here for longer because unlike you i have actual guns because i can own them you fucking jewish cock holder
>>65227910>i care about actual guns>comes to a military thread talking nonsense to sperg about nationalityok man. next time just click on the x in the upper right corner.
>>65227921Jaja
>>65223315So it's a predator drone but 30 years late?
>>65224911When you buy a company, you take possession of its IP.
>>65227873>Not after becoming the European Union, no.Can burgers like you please just shut the fuck up about things they know nothing about?>What is Yugoslavia>What is Ireland>Fuck me, whats South Tyrol and Basques while we are at itplease just stfu>y-y-you need a civil war
>>65227625lol
>>65227954Nope. It's not automatic, especially in the aeronautical sector. You're free to argue against AA since they clearly advertise most of their products and IPs as ITAR free. Everything else is you coping.
>>65223315Why does it have 6-blade pusher propellers 50% of the times and 5-blade tractor propellers the rest of the times?! WHY?!>>65227616>>65227697Launching explosive drones from a slow heavy drone from a safe distance is more efficient than launching explosive drones from the ground, if you want to lauch lots of them.
Every project Euros try to collaborate on further proves why the US is the preeminent military manufacturer in the world. Too many egos and old grudges that don't even matter anymore.
>>65224911It should have been in the P.2HH
>>65228138damn that's sexy
>>65227924>>65227910>>65227896This might be the most embarrassing thing I have seen here in recent times. Imagine getting btfod and then sperging out so pathetically
>>65224846>>65223315>be germany>inflate the project endlessly, delay it into irrelevance>hurrdurr why does France leaves that sinking ship of a project>germoni dindu nuffinthis is all so tiring.
>>65228597Remember how German's 900 billion was suppose to change everything? Yeah turns out restarting an entire military from virtual scratch is hard, especially in Europe where the military is just where former dukes and lords get to launder money around
>>65223315>you know what we should copy >the drone the US bitches about losing because they made it cost $30 million >for the future of attritional drone warfare
>>65229149>the US bitches about losingYou mean shills make fun of and literally no one else cares
>>65227514show me where it includes the whole mental illness spectrum then you coping eurofag
>>65229162b-but they lost. a drone! multiple, even! doesn't that cost... le money? The US army is underfunded it cannot sustain these losses
>>65225014They are the most jew broken country, so they have developed coping mechanisms such as pointing to someone else and accusing them of being what they themselves are.A very jewish trait that, too
>>65227625Germans?
>>65223423Nice picrel. Sassy american whores are well representative of you.
>>65227856Well the neighbor is a design stealing double dealing moroccan so it made no sense to get in a joint venture with them in the first place
>>65229167Have you tried reading the first few lines?
>>65227536I thought Ghostbat was largely an Australian-led initiative with Boeing offering help?
>>65230459enlighten me
>>65228597>a 50 IQ online dimwit appearsGermany has like 238 drone startups, they're popping out daily.....producing results within weeks....nobody gives a shit about the euro cope drone of retarded eu cucks
