Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
I did.
>>65225855germans
>>65225855Why is it flying sideways?
>>65225855>germs saw the russians putting manpads on shaheds>WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN>but bolt on a fucking IRIS-T on instead!At least Airbus's modernized V-1 carried FOUR cheap small missiles.
>>65225882>surface-to-air>launched from air
>>65225855You could slap at least two more on that thing, but I guess aerodynamics said no
>>65225855Just convert old fighter jets to drones.
>>65225908those are Chinese model airplane turbojets, I think they're only rated at 40lbs thrust each, so it probably can't actually carry 3 missiles.>>65225855missile exhaust right at the jet intakes, oof
>>65225855When are we getting one for tests?t. Ukie
>>65226005>Chinese model airplane turbojetsThat would be retarded. EU has more than enough small turbojet makers.
>>65225855German autism has discovered drone start ups, you don't know what is awaiting you. I've counted 72 drone AI start ups already producing stuff within one year. Some of them involved in their domnestic 6th gen fighter team.
>>65225898Shaheds are cheap copies of german tech from the 80's tranny, they had truck launchers for these things back then, there are pics around
>>65225855>In its current form, the Cobra 600 has no onboard sensors to detect targets other than the imaging infrared seeker head that’s integral to the standard IRIS-T missile.
>>65225855>Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?Bureaucrats that can't keep a manned airforce flying.
>>65225855I'm not a stealth expert but doesn't bolting on a missile like that completely fuck up its stealthiness? Why even use a stealthy shape then? So that makes it useless as a CCA to accompamy stealth aircraft. And it's not useful for anti-drone missions because it has only one missile, and it also lacks integrated sensors...
>>65226005>>65226015According to the article >As displayed, the drone is powered by a pair ofJetCat-P1000-PROmicro turbojet engines, each of which provides a maximum thrust of 20 pounds. However, the drone has intake ports for another two engines. It’s not clear if these are only intended to be fitted if heavier payloads are being carried, but it’s certainly a possibility.
>>65226045dronefags will tell you this is actually a good thing because it's cheaper
>>65226098>JetCat-P1000-PROmicro turbojet engines>has up to 61 000 RPMI love micro turbojets
>>65226065Maybe they simply decided that flying wing is optimal if your job is to carry a thing from point A to B
it's from the company that was trying to get money to make a spaceplanethey're just baiting
>>65225882the designer was a star wars fan
>>65225855that's just a booster
>>65226025>Shaheds are cheap copies of german tech from the 80's tranny, they had truck launchers for these things back then, there are pics aroundthen why are firsties so mystified by the power of the Shahed™for inventing it 5 decades ago, they sure seem absolutely bamboozled by its capabilities and mutations
>>65225855>Engines in the middleFor flight stability its usually sensible to have static weight at the extremities (front or back) and variable weight (fuel, load) at point of lift. Are they that concerned with heat signature? The fins on the missile and the step are going to ruin the vortex swirl at high AOA . I hate it.
>>65225855It's a cheap, autonomous, long-range relay for a precision strike with currently stocked munitions.
>>65225855>Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?Thomas Newdick apparently.
>>65225855>Pierre Sprey was rightApologize!
>>65226850Think of it as an analog to the Saturn V situation. It's lost tech from the past. There isn't a single company today capable of making a decent Super Heavy Lift rocket other than Space X. The SLS developed by NASA is an artistic piece of incompetence and a jobs welfare program in order to keep congressmen elected.
>>65227001It's made in Germany, so if there's one thing this drones, that thing is being expensive as fuck.
>>65227243Are you retarded? SLS actually works and does everything the Saturn V could do. While Falcon was a good design, Starship is a shitheap and has done nothing but blow up while attempting a fraction of its claimed capability.
>>65225855>who the fuckthe ones that invented this
>>65226045>>65226065It's purely a proxy launcher. See it as a way to engage lower priority targets without revealing carefully concealed forward ground launchers.
>>65225855It would provide more range as your entire burn rate to get off the ground can now be used to flyCourse, it adds complexity and Germans like complexity
>>65225855why not just build a larger missile you launch from a truck instead of finding a new way to waste your nonexistent knock off sidewinder stockpiles? Its not like you're using onboard sensors from the drone or anything.
Arent Iris missiles very expensive? Why wouldn't they equip it with something cheaper/lighter if the drone carrying the payload is kinda sacrificial anyway?
>>65227592The utility comes from combining loitering with sheer range. You put something cheaper on it and now it flies close enough to be in threat range. Re-usability drastically lowers the cost.
>>65227549>Germans like complexityIf something's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.
>>65227622It also keeps the riff raff out by putting it somewhere difficult, like on the transmission side for your timing
>>65227428>SLS actually works and does everything the Saturn V could do.Can it perform an Apollo 11-like mission?
>>65227592>Arent Iris missiles very expensive?not really (comparatively)well depends on the variantthe one here 400k€ for Germany (with development cost), reportedly <300k€ for later ordersand they've proven really effective in Ukrainelots of confirmed hits on Iskander or Kh-101both costing >1,5million>Why wouldn't they equip it with something cheaper/lighterthe whole thread misunderstands the designit's to close a very specific gap in Air Defense with existing hardware that no domestic system doesthe Cobra 600 can be reusedit can land againso the idea is that it loiters, waits and if nothing happens just lands againalso extending the range against know targetsbut again, the primary usecase is loitering
>>65227627Yes, that's literally what it was designed for.
>>65227927Then why cant it?
>>65225855Whoever staged that shot failed in conception.
>>65227247still cheaper than a trash can procured by us mic
>>65227243There has never been a *company* capable of making anything resembling Saturn V.Space X is mostly producing very expensive fireworks.Furthermore, Starship was never even planned to match Saturn V capability. It would take fucking ELEVEN launches to get its upper stage to the moon. Completely retarded mission architecture.
>>65226850Terror bombing was considered no longer a thing for intelligent enemies but all our enemies are extremists or retards. Eventually westerners will have cheap lasers that make these things irrelevant.
>>65226850>for inventing it 5 decades ago, they sure seem absolutely bamboozled by its capabilities and mutationsPlease point out the "bamboozlement" in vidrel, you clueless goatfucker.
>>65227929You mean why hasn't it? Because that mission is planned for two years from now.
>>65227626what does that mean?
>>65226065Stealth isn't an on/off thing, this will most likely still be harder to detect and track than if it had no low observable features at all.
>>65226065>>65228302do you retards actually think stealth makes radar waves pass through the plane and then reflect back from the missile
>>65226007>Immediately begging
>>65228332You don't want to see Russian planes blown up by drones? What, are you gay?
>>65228283>Wonderfully precise timing>See how it all meshes together>It's compact and out of the way>Hans spec'd plastic chain guides that don't last the life of the engine>Bad Hans, very bad Hans!
>>65225855>itt, loyal wingman-style drones are a bad idea now
>>65228332>immediately seething
>>65228371a dingus with one short range IR missile glued to the top isn't a long range friend with an internal bay for AMRAAMs or JDAMs
>>65228050But it cant do an Apollo 11-type mission, because it cant put the needed mass into TLI.
>>65228341No, worse
>>65228519Oh, so gay - but in a patriotic way
>>65228347dae i thought the plastic chain guide thingies looked like a bad choice!!!
>>65226850>then why are firsties so mystified by the power of the Shahed™lol what?nigga you should look at what uni airplane model clubs are building in the west
>>65228518>Starship is the best rocket ever because it can insert 50 tons to translunar orbitOkay, can we see it?>No, but you can watch this version explode while attempting to get 30t to LEOStarship is a scam and you have to be an idiot not to see it. SLS is the most capable launch vehicle currently in service and it actually works. It will be the system that puts humans back on the moon within the next 5 years.
>>65228347>>65228526The best part...>All of this is at the BACK of the engine >so you have to take it out to service it!
>>65228308No, I don't think this will always be in a situation where there isn't anything looking down on it from above.
>>65227939Supposedly these things are almost as smart as dolphins.
>>65225882
>>65226850They aren't. Why do you get your information from third world news?
>>65228818I never said any if those things, anon, thats all youI'm just pointing out that the SLS can not do everything the S5 could, especially run an Apollo11-like mission to the moon due to it having half the fucking TLI capacity .
>>65227960spacex currently has more than 80% of the global launch market by tonnage
>>65226065It's not a stealth drone. The company is developing it as a supersonic platform for space applications.
>small, hobby RC turbinesSo at full fuel it needs 2500 feet for takeoff and can only fly 120 miles?this thing isnt real
>>65225882Looks cooler.
>>65230514awww you forgot how easy it is for germany to fuck up projects
>>65230480Nta but nice concession.
>>65225855W-what happened to the old dick?
>>65225855More like lol observability design
>>65231935I have bad news anon
>>65225855>Counting it as a surface to air missile because it is launched from a drone instead of a manned aircraft.The buzzword reading is off the charts.
