is the HK416 really the best Assault rifle in the world? I mean I am sure it's great and all, but is there really no even more elite weapon out there?
no
Yes it is.
>>65226638
AUG is better.
the LMT Mars PDW is better because it has a monolithic upper, is lighter, shorter, and looks cooler
>>65226638Its over gassed for reliability, and could use a better buffer spring.
The XM8 was a better overall design because of modularity.
bullpups are objectively superior to conventional rifle and the VHS-2 is the best on the market. only nogunz, foids, weaklings whine about bullpup triggers
>>65226638Colt M4 is unironically better. It only gets squirrelly with a short barrel and can but the DI system as advanced to where thats not a big deal anymore either. Especially in 11.5" which the 416 migrates to as well.10.3" was a dumb decision that soured the systems reputation for no reason.
It's a heavier M4 that suppresses worse. Meh.
>>65226638I was issued one in 2006, it was night and day compared to our old Colts. Recoil impulse, clean, sexy.
>>652268098/10, really felt like I was on r/guns
>>65226818>RedditGTFO nufag
>>65226638>It's not the best because it costs more than the cheapest AR I can find.
>>65226737You can say that for all piston guns, that only have two settings.
>>65226818kek
>>65226842we use MAINCHAN around here, achktually
It's an AR-15 with short-stroke piston instead of direct impingement. What more could you ask for?
>>65226876an ar-15
>>65226876a different rifle
>>65226884Well, I concede. It is a better rifle.
>>65226638false >>65226914false as well
>>65226884>Go through the autism of redesigning a G36 without a polymer receiver. >Biggest potential customer you tailor made it for buys your old shit insteadLMAO it's deader than dead now.
>>65226958I like G36 too, but the HK433 is straight up better G36.
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>>65227193>asserting the G36 was ever even sufficient>>65226998No it just got bulldozed away like every other rifle design post-1980s by the Toyota Camry Kleenex standard of M16ism that rules western militaries and has for forty straight years.the 416 is vastly overweight + overengineered slop, rube goldberg redundant waste of money and resources
>>65226958Realer und Patriotischer Pfosten>>65227236The gun industry is the epitome of "Everything must evolve into crab".
>>65227869>"Everything must evolve into crab"Today, it seems that way. (Particularly since the 2010s)There was a time when it was not.
>>65226638I suspect the SAKO ARG is superior in all regards. Possibly the LMT MARS as well, given that it has a standard receiver height, quick change barrels, and can easily convert between DI and piston.But I think we're finding out that the AR, in either DI or short stroke varieties, are clearly the best assault rifle in the world and that's that.The number of people seething about it and inventing headcanon about why it's winning not being because it's good speaks for itself. Have them post hands. You know the drill.
>>65226638It's not even the best assault rifle from HK.>>65226998Polymer is shit, aluminium is just better. And the G36 shows its age in other ways as well. There's a reason multiple nations have developed and adopted similar rifles.>But no successBecause the german MoD is stupid and would rather ape frogs and muhreens than adopt the superior rifle. Doesn't mean the 433 won't ever find success in other ways. Some police departments in germany already use it.
>>65227869>The gun industry is the epitome of "Everything must evolve into crab"
>>65228671>433Its day will come.I really want a factory select fire one. Probably two. Or three.>16.5 inch barrel>14.5 inch barrel>300 BLK 'Sneaker' HK 437 / G39https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I--yPBi-N5chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6zeKBHJP4
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>>65226749BetaMax was always better than VHS.
>>65228682The main differentiating factors here (and the main reasons AR15 are inferior) are>Buffer tubeThis prevents the use of folding stocks. Yeah yeah you don't need it anyway, well guess what some people like them.>Charging handleAR15 have it in the back, which is ambidextrous but also unergonomical. Everyone else has it in the front.Note that the sig m7 has solved both problems, with a dual charging handle even.The 416 on the other hand is an intermediate design which was meant to work with stock AR lowers, so it's basically more reliable but not more ergonomical than any old AR15. >>65228625Well, the 416 is 20 years old. I think HK would much rather sell the 433, but they're stuck with their success now so maybe they will update the 416 somewhat.
>>65228708>Charging handleI want AR-15s to revert to Stoner-correct. And permanent integral top receiver carry handleRear mount is not only cumbersome and unergonomic but ejects gas rearward.https://smallarmsreview.com/the-complete-guide-to-colt-m-16-models-part-i/
>>65228708>is 20 years oldThink about ^this fact. (And further, <--that design itself is based on a 60 year old original design) Never mind that HK themselves have a newer subsequent rifle design.None of this is, at all, about 'technology' or "what is the best rifle for the job."
>>65228690>would.jpgI don’t usually find Asians hot but picrel…
>>65228903>We have LR-300 at home
>>65228763Wait until your stupidass reads up on why top-CH was ditched.Contrarian-ass Dunning-Kruger thread.
>>65226638I mean it’s a reaaaaally nice rifle
>>65228625Idk the newer 416 updates have been really nice rifles, to the point where even the weight difference is within a pound
>>65226749>whine about bullpup triggersI mean, most of that is people whining about bullpup triggers on rifles they own as a civilian, that's a valid concern on a rifle you own for recreation. It's not really the same context as a mass-issued service rifle, where the concerns about triggers start and end at "does the gun go bang when I pull the trigger, and does it not go bang when I don't"
>>65229017That’s valid, but also idk I feel like with modern ammo really pushing out the effectiveness of short barreled carbines, bullpups don’t really have many advantages anymore. Or at least the advantages aren’t as big as before
>>65226638its not even the best piston AR
>>65226998>>65228671Honestly kind of baffling why they didn't adopt the 433. 7.16 lb rifle with a 11 in barrel just sounds like a no-brainer.>>65229025I mostly fence-sit on the bullpup vs conventional argument. I agree modern ammo is allowing way better performance out of shorter barrels, but at the same time looking at the design compromises made to achieve that performance, I think there's still a valid argument to be made about bullpups. I think institutional inertia and not wanting to retrain troops, as well as not needing to modify the rifle to allow for left/right handed use will mean conventional rifles remain dominant, simply because small arms aren't really that relevant in the grand scheme of things.
>>65229008It could have been (redesigned and) insulated, made of different material. I already know far more than (You) or any /k/ poster. My library is twice the size of Ian's.Now: SHUT THE FUCK UP.>OP threadIdgaf. 416 was from its first appearance a giga-abortion waste of resources.
>>65229036>baffling why they didn't adopt the 433MIC (/political) corruption.
>>65229044Oh it's the spastic gunless retard, carry on dipshit.
>>65229025>advantagesSix of one, half dozen of the other.
>>65229055checked, get fucking KILLED (You) *nogunz* cancerPestilencetranny /arg/ import. Back to the /containment/ thread (which belongs on plebbit) to dilate harder
>>65229036>>65229048I don't think corruption is the reason they went with one HK rifle over the other. I think they just stopped trusting their own procurement processes (not without reason is has to be said) and bought the tried and proven rifle over the new and unproven one.
>>65229008>Contrarian-ass Dunning-Kruger thread.Shocker the thread about rifles 99.8% of users here won't even touch is filled with retards.
>>65229036I mean idk, the compromises have mostly been ironed out by the 11.5” being the minmaxed barrel length for ARs. But besides that I just don’t find bullpups very appealing. In my experience they’re way less comfortable, always have an awful manual of arms comparably, bad balance, and no rail estate so you can either have doohickeys or a good grip, but not both usually. I really don’t like them and now that shorties are performing to the level of full on rifles, I don’t see a reason for them anymore>>65229062See above, I don’t find their advantages all that appealing anymore
>>65229074Could be. Any way you look at it there's leveraging (external to what the actual technically suitable field rifle for the armed services ought be) of several varieties going on. With Germany the amount of constraints placed on contractors such as Heckler & Koch (or others) in their business dealings must be considered.
>>65229079>aboveWhatever. Everyone has different rifles for different purposes/jobs.(for me the AR-15 recoil-buffer collapsible stocks are not preferable; as to AUG triggers, you get over it)
>>65229077>99.8% of users here won't even touch/hg/ /arg/ Correct. Those are redditBoomercom wastes of bandwidth
>>65229087You can get over it but if I had the option between an aug and a 416 I’d go 416 every time. It’s just so handy and nice to use
>>65229087Consider that long range combat is now being taken over by drones - you don't need the high velocity of a longer barrel in an assault rifle. Maybe the better handling of a traditional rifle is really the greater advantage.Not that it matters either way. The importance of service rifles in war decreases with every newly developed drone.
>>65229096>aug and a 416I'd go AUG *especially* in a choice between that. Many other AR-related rifles to select before 416The recent 'piston' HKs I do prefer are the (7.62) MR308416s are just too heavy and unbalanced for a 5.56 rifle. (Yes I get the M27 which is part-LMG/DMR)
>>65229105>longer barrelIt's not—solely—about the muzzle velocity.>riflesSmall arms don't matter in the end. Post-20th century combat arms procurement in the west is (anyway) a pathetic joke. Idgaf about modern infantry, what they do or are equipped with
>>65229074I mean it's an AR18 but this time with a metal receiver. The main complaint with the G36 was the heat warping issue, which has basically been addressed in the 433 and was overblown to begin with. You're probably right, but I still think the 433 makes for a better service rifle, at least based on what we've seen of it.>>65229079Eh, I think at an institutional level, the increased wear of the hotter rounds needed to achieve that performance do warrant discussion and with the current obsession with AP capability, there's an argument to be made for going to longer barrels again. While I agree that they're less comfortable, the length of pull being my main complaint, and sure it's more awkward to bring your hand back to your armpit to reload, but I think bad balance is more of a gun-by-gun issue, ditto with rail estate.
>>65229105Well that’s a little extreme. It’s true that drones extend a rifle squads range drastically and offers a precision explosive at distance. But you still need those rifles to suppress and do just about everything with. Really what makes longer barrels kind of pointless now are the newer rounds becoming less velocity dependent for expansion.>>65229108Idk the weight thing is kind of a non issue nowadays. Like the MR556A4 11” is 6.7 pounds, very competitive with DI ARs. Though I still liked the M27 desu
>>65229125(never mind the 416) Most M4s are far too heavy, and many are unbalanced.
>>65229129I’ve really never had that weight or unbalanced issue with them, even with the lame waffle stock. Maybe the ACOG helped with balance? Idk I always found them very light handy rifles, never had an issue using them, except they’d get gunked up quick from use. That I do appreciate about the 416/M27, you really don’t need to clean them as often as they don’t get as dirty
>>65229140As you say, it depends on how they're built / fitted out and what's hung on them. The lowest profile forearm is preferable along with lightest possible weight optic etc.
>>65229147I mean idk, I’ve used mostly actual M4s with quad rails and even then I didn’t find them that heavy at all, never mind those with mlok or especially plastic. The 416 doesn’t feel that bad due to the big ass stock, though the M27 does. However that weight is also part of its flexibility
>>65229125>drones extend a rifle squads range drasticallyFunny way to look at it. Drones are not a weapon of the rifle squad, they are its own thing, a new layer of combat similar to the way air combat was a new layer. They don't extend the rifle squads range, they make the rifle squad unnecessary beyond close range.
>>65228708>>65229016Oh they're good rifles no doubt, it's just that plenty of others have caught up to or in one way or another surpassed them. Call them 416 clones if you want, the concept of an AR with a short stroke piston has clearly caught on. They weren't the first to do it, but they popularized it.
>>65229226>AR with a short stroke pistonI have zero interest in them and never will
>>65229241That's fine, DI gud too. There are tradeoffs.
>>65226958If that handguard doesn't hold zero, what's the point?
>>65229256(don't own one but) My ideal AR carbine would be an LMT with mid-length gas tube and low profile slim no-rail forearm
>>65229183No, thats retarded and contrary to how drones are actually being used. The rifle squad is still very much necessary in all aspects, otherwise the videos of drones blowing up infantry wouldn’t exist. What drones actually do is extend the scouting and patrol distance of a squad tremendously, allowing less men to cover a wider front, and gives them access to cheap precision explosives. The latter is where all the videos are from, infantry against infantry with drones being used as targeted anti infantry explosives (and occasionally anti armor as well) to assist in assaults or to repel them from defensive positions
>>65228690>>65228971¡Hola amigos!
>>65226638its effectively a modern day fn faltheres a good reason the likes of france germany us marine corps use it mkek mpt of turkey literally is a hk416/17 copy(mpts orgins go to a carbon copy of the 416 called mehmetçik-1)and the project grayburns result will most likely be the adoption of the 416
>>65229585>modern day fn fal>in 5.56 mm
>>65229276Great rifle. I have one with the 12.5 piston barrel, and a spare 16" DI barrel.If you're going DI only the specwar upper with a little more rail is the way to go.
>>65229709Nice, thanks for the suggestion.
>American design later perfect by GermansYou literally could not make a better rifle than this
>>65229704in the sense that a lot of the nato/western block uses it as standard issue(like how fal was used by the most of the anglophone world and the likes of austria and benelux to the point its literally nicknamed right arm of the free world)416 is in a similar state imho
Is this the M27 thread?
>>6522663816 inch barrel AR chads will inherit the earth, no matter what gas system or barrel profile you have it just werks
>>65226876A truly freefloated barrel.
>>65229715>>American design later perfect by Germansthen later curated by americans again and you get >>65229784
>>65226653>Recrocating charging handle>Non ambi>Rock in mags>Srock doesn't even collapse or foldI remember when b8 was decent.
>>65226863OpChan is never coming back, is it?
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>>65229919cry more
It's not even the best HK rifle
>>65230162Not him but it's pretty obvious you came here for the sole purpose of starting shit. Go away, work on your life
>>65230170Get killed. Look at the rest of /k/ Catalog (You)<-- are the problem with this site and the west more broadly.
Are SOF units even still using the HK416?
>>65230585Dawg the entire marine corps is using it, and it should still be in inventory in most of the SF, notably seals
>>65230200You're drunk or schizo. Probably both. Again, go fix your pathetic life until you stop feeling the childish urge to lash out for no reason
>>65231177>virtue signalchecked, fuck off (You) retard posting on 4chan, get a fucking life (You) are the one with No Life.Also, mald harder and never stop seething gash dilater. Get killed by an 18-wheeler impact tomorrow (You) piece of fucking subhuman zoomlet filth. Fuck (You).
>>65226638>is the HK416 really the best Assault rifle in the world?yes
