>Kalashnikov Concern has released a new anti-drone no-analogue weapon for chmobiks
>Single-shot break-action shotgun>uses 12x70 cartridges>weight – 1.8 kilograms
>>65229351>What if you miss? >I won't.
For comparison, take the American M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System. Its underbarrel version weighs 1.22 kilograms, yet it's a multi-shot weapon fed from detachable box magazines.Even classic pump-action shotguns like the Maverick 88, in some configurations, can weigh no more than two kilograms.Such are the consequences of monopolizing everything.
>>65229357>said ivan, while aiming under his own chin
>>65229351>kalashnikov concernkek>oh, you're going to supply them to the boys at the front and not just launder rubles, right?>they're going to reach the boys at the front...right?
>>65229351>>65229352>Am I fucking joke to you?
>>65229389too good for retards
>>65229377
>>65229351>>65229352>made a single barrel break action shotgunWhy? Just buy already available shotguns or expand the production lines making them
>last-ditch design principles strong losing cue
>>65229351Not even a second shot for drones?! But perfect for self-removal. But knowing Russian quality something could go very wrong.
I want ukies to capture some of these and send one to a guntuber who'd try shooting a .50 BMG from it
>>65229351this should be an interesting gadget for the next Battlefield Game
>>65229463What meme site?
Seems kind of pointless, it couldn’t be that costly to just make light regular shotguns instead of this jank-ass ergonomic nightmare. But I guess that they’re genuinely at the point where they have to float around Sten / Erma EMP tier cheap-ass designs.
>semi automatic magazine fed shotguns are not considered an acceptable anti drone solution>fully automatic belt fed vehicle mounted shotguns are not considered an acceptable anti drone solution>cheap ass impossible to aim single shot shotguns areJust call it what it is: a suicide device
>>65229412>>65229463>>65229466>>65229470>n-no, pls take this anti-drone wunderwaffe seriously!
>>65229351so basically a Carl Gustaf with the 84mm shot cartridge?
>>65229476>implying any effort or technical thought went into this thing
>>65229476it's a 12mm suicide gun
>>65229476it's not recoiless. it fires a 12mm x 70mm shotgun cartridge
>>65229481I was trying to imply they're reinventing a wheel that nobody uses but that too
is this bigger than a 12g shotgun and does it use special anti-drone rounds or something?
>>65229499No just 12mm x 70mm shells apparently
>>65229351Bring it back
>>65229527I was so good at shooting down planes with this in BF5
>>65229473If they just made modified existing shotguns it's much, much harder to embezzle a fuckload.
>>65229352This ergonomic disaster looks like the insurgency weapons made of stamped metal at the end of WW2Good sign
Single shot won't do. I remember some interview with Ukr soldier, who said a classic over under is best, because you can have two shots with different pellet count. First for a longer distance, and second if you miss and it's coming right at you.
>>65229351why is this only 12x70? If you are going committed to a simple single shot design like this, why not upscale to like a 20mm+ handheld flak thrower to guarantee anything in the general direction you aim gets pelted. You could probably engineer a better recoil system and the larger caliber for this design under 4kg.
>>65229352Apart from looking like the ergonomic equivalent of aids, it’s really not a bad concept. Outfitting every individual soldier with this would probably net better results than simply distributing only one shotgun to a single man per squad.
>>65229362pls god pls suicide video
>>65229467pimp my gun threads
>>65229595because it's grift, they could've designed a new pellet-shot for the 40 mm GP-25 if they really wanted an anti-drone cartridge
>>65229362>pull trigger>blow off your fingers, head remains unharmed>tfw you're now crippled, unable to off yourself or tend to your wounds, aware of that fact while you're slowly bleeding out
>>65229615>38,000 rubles each>meanwhile an actual fucking shotgun exists that retails for about 10,000 rublesIt's grift. What part of that do you not get? It's pure smegkalka grift.
>>65229351Is this meant to be cheap, small, and light enough to equip every soldier that already is carrying an AK-12? Because that is the only way this would make any sense to me.
>>65229615To expand on my >>65229666 point, Baikal makes the MP-155 that as of last market data retails for 30,000 ruble for the base model. An actual semi auto shotgun with a 5 shot tube. The russian government could order a hundred thousand of these with shorter barrels, the cheapest synthetic or dogshit wood furniture possible, and a lanyard ring to tie it to a belt and come away with a more effective solution for less money. But that doesn't grease a siloviki's palm so fuck it, useless single shot suicide weapon it is.
>>65229666checked.Its so sad, you would think their country being at its lowest point in recent memory and being in the middle of a potentially existential crisis would make the leadership unite, rise up to the challenge and sacrifice everything to make a comeback but no, 4 years later and everyone is still looting the treasury and robbing their own troops.truly shameful
>>65229351Expected of the white trad Christian country of Puccia
>>6522959512 gauge is already 18.5mm bore diameter.
>>65229666>>65229677I’m not saying it isn’t grift. I’m just saying that the concept itself isn’t particularly bad. An ultralight, simple, cheap shotgun that can be distributed to every individual soldier.
>>65229351>>65229352I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it's significantly cheaper that just using a normal fucking shotgun that russia already makes. other than that, it's complete shit.
>>65229760 (me)>>65229666never mind. it's completely irredeemable.
>>65229352So they made an M79 that weighs half as much but is twice as unwieldy, to fire a single 12 gauge shotgun shell..Astounding.
>>65229778>This won't work as intended>It will be rebranded as a pilot survival gun or some shit to save face>There will finally be a Saiga 12 gunner in every rifle squad.Except only the first > is true.
>>65229808I wouldn't be surprised if the Saiga 12 was lostech at this point.
>>65229352By the end of the year we could be selling matchlocks to the Russian MOD boys!
>>65229351Impressiev
>>65229693That is not true
>>65229351>be me>be burger>dont know mm>look up shell dimensions What the fuck. This thing is basically a .410 break action. I think the guys calling this thing a euthanasia gun are pretty much correct. A fucking .410 break action with shit iron sites. Even I, a chronic hopeless case enjoyer, am beyond words.
If they could afford them, would underbarrel shotguns be the move here? Every man needs to carry a shotgun in addition to his rifle because they don't even move as fireteams. It would help if they didn't have to stow one weapon and shoulder another when they see a drone approaching
>>65229351This seems like it's either for embezzling money or helping mobiks commit suicide and I can't tell which would be sadder. Probably the suicide option
>>65229899Imagine how much they can save on the next shotshell self-administration device when they get rid of the sights and stock
>>6522984712x70 is 12ga
>>65229483>Clean it up Janny, Blyad!
>>65229351>new puccian wunderwaffle>its a break action 12 gauge but worseThe skeet has been thrown and in 2 weeks all of Ukraine will be understood
>>65229351How can soldiers share their experience with them if it's best used to commit suicide?
>>65229934if the soldier manages to kill himself with it then his experience was good
>>65229934Got to think like a thirdy>Actual training is expensive and might accidentally make some competent military people who could come back to haunt you later on in 'political actions'>Suicide is cheap, leaving more money for your yacht, cocaine and dacha fund
>>65229351There was a thread a while back here where someone was floating some ridiculous anti drone solution. I don't really remember what it was, but I off handedly responded that it would be cheaper and more effective to just hand every Russian soldier a slam fire pipe shotgun.Since the KGB is apparently reading my posts here, it is my ethical duty to explain that I did not say that because I thought it was an actually good idea. I was just trying to demonstrate how dumb I thought that other anon's idea was.It's also my moral duty to say TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
>>65229351>>65229352Why not give them a cheap Turkish semiauto or a pump shotgun? It worked somewhat for the Norks in Kursk, that's what they gave the Nork officers and NCOs and they got the job done although with high losses. >You are now aware that there is a monument in Pyongyang where there is a brass statue of a dead Nork hero holding what looks suspiciously like a Remington Model 870
>>65229417The only Russians left are too stupid to build anything more than a pipe gun
>>65229954>>You are now aware that there is a monument in Pyongyang where there is a brass statue of a dead Nork hero holding what looks suspiciously like a Remington Model 870do you have a picture of it?
>>65229954It's probably cheaper to give them a cyanide capsule labeled as food.
>>65229958I think it is on the third brass panel from the left when you look at the outside wall of the Memorial Museum of Combat Feats at the Overseas Military Operations when you approach it? It is a really huge building and they made sure that everyone got noticed with their own statue, they made it so quickly that i can't keep track of it. They have a wall of remembrance, individual tombs and placards for each individual soldier and each one has a individual testament to how he died. Whatever you might think about them the DPRK is going out of their way to honor their dead and support the families of their soldiers.
>>65229989Fuck you, all those Norks died because they wanted to get a better life for themselves, their families and their Nation. They did it, no matter how pointless and stupid fighting for Russia is they did it because it would help them, their Nation and their families. I seriously doubt that a piece of garbage like you can understand the concept of civic pride, basic decency or even human empathy.
>>65230018I meant the mobiks not the Norks.
>>65230018I guess to further elobarate on >>65230025. It's completely understandable why Norks are doing what they are up to. They can't stop winning from a macro view. North Korea keeps getting a ton of meaningful stuff from their trade with Ruzzia it's insane. But as far as this shit shotgun goes, it feels more like a suicide tool than a weapon.
>>65229527What the fuck
>>6522990512 gauge is 18mm unless I'm misunderstanding how bore is measured for these things. The closest gauge to 12mm is 28, which is ~14mm, while .410 is 10.4mm.
>>65230049I don't know why they do it like this, but the 12 isn't the diameter, it's the gauge, but the 70 IS the length, which is 2 3/4 in.
>>65229667FIFTY ducks
>>65229843
>>65229351DO YOU TRUST THAT i'VE PROVIDED YOU ENOUGH SHOTGUN SO THAT THE DRONE WILL LAND SAFELY ON THE LAWN?>Sir, yes sir!YOU'RE MY BOY, BLUE
>>65230018>We have no fucking choice edition>I have to go or family starve edition>Civic pride? I just want to live to see 30 editionNorks are all brainwashed slaves, get mad if you want to.
>>65230054Huh? They use English measurements for gauge? OK I guess. Well thanks for the factoid. I didn't know that.
>>65230049It's non-magnum length 12ga, Russians just have to be retarded about nomenclature
>>65229351There is no reason why it shouldnt have a pistol grip. Also the metal storm approach could be useful for these single incident drone shotguns. With a fixed tube all the way to the butt there could be multiple shots secured in a tube with some wires going to the important pistol grip.
>>65230003>out of their way to honor their dead and support the families of their soldiers.Mate, you've larped too hard and swallowed the koolaid. This was not to honor the dead soldiers. Kim Chi Mee does not give a phuck about dead grunt Park Ju Bong who got blown up by a Yankee. Those monuments are for glorifying the Kims, i.e., HE sacrificed HIS soldiers for the nation ala that short king in Shrek.
>>65230087I don't get it either, but the only reason I know about it is because of STALKER.
>>65230102bold of you to assume he's larping
>>65230103same kek.
>>65230102>swallowed the koolaidnigga the dude has deepthroated the koolaid for as long as I can remember. the only reason people don't hate him as compared to armatard is he posts about niche nork shit
>>65229352There must have been some process of evaluation with a whole team of engineers, experts, soldiers with experience and so on, right? How on earth did they justify this design as a good solution?
>>65229352how does this lock anyways? is it the dinky little spring? or is it the thing in the trigger guard (which I presume would have to be connected to something else on the other side of the gun)
>>65230136>is it the dinky little springyeah, it's the spring that's sitting on top
>>65229551The concern is deeply in the ass, the kalashnikov is closing
>>65230140that's supposed to keep this thing together? I get it's 12 ga loaded with like birdshot, but still
>>65230148 (me)like come the fuck on, if the spring fails and you don't have the stock shouldered >>65229352 it ain't gonna end well for your index finger
>>65229351Cool suicider 9000
>>65229352> single shotThat's fucking stupid
>>65230214If it's stupid and you can sell it to the government for more than it costs to make then it's not stupid
>>65229352Seems sound if it's that light. Obviously a supplemental weapon for when a drone appears. I assume most of the squad is issued one to make up for it being single-shot.
>>65230277>the squadThese russian dingalings have been sent in 2-3's for the last 12months as infiltrators in the vain hope some of them get a distance in. Otherwise if they bunch up into any kind of small combat unit they get swarmed like a loony toons scene of someone kicking a beehive and if they try for more than that its absolute steel rain
>>65229483>less effective grenade that weighs more and can't be used for alternative grenade uses (throwing at enemy)
>>65230312who says you cant; throw this? probably better as a baton than a firearm
>>65230136>>65230140>>65230148>>65230154The whole project is yet another oligarch dacha fundraiser. Whether it works or not is immaterial.
>>65229351>>65229352We've reached the volkssturmgewehr phase of the 3-day SMO.
>>65229751>ultralight, simple, cheap shotgunThat's clearly not the concept of this gun.
I dunno about you, but im getting some "Berlin in late april 1945"-vibes from this
>>65230214you only need one to blow your own head off and deny the enemy the satisfaction
>>6522966638K rubles were about the first-aid packages from Kalashnikov. There "shotguns" will be waaaaay more expensive.
>>65229760It's more expensive than a Saiga shotgun
>>65229615It's a terrible concept, your better off either using the rifle you already have or using a proper shotguns. This single shot monstrosity is the worst option of all. And you know guys won't be getting any practice with them either on clays or the like to get use to the terrible ergonomics
>>65229954>Why not give them a cheap Turkish semiauto or a pump shotgun?And how will Kalashnikov company profits from this?
Well, Russia has already put the Volks into the Sturm.
>>65230018>all those Norks died because they retarded worms-infested commie subhumansfixed
>>65230103I never realised in STALKER but its how you differentiate between pistol/rifle/shotgun ammo in Metro because it has the caliber stamped on the brass ammo symbol
>>65230405They might be cool if you think of Tapeworm Jim piloting a human meat-mech robot with guns
>>65230154>it ain't gonna end well for your index fingerwho cares lmao
>>65230409Tapeworm JIM!He's such a commie fag!Tapeworm JIM!He crawls through the gulag!
Tradition....
>>65230387Suicides under observation count as kills for Ukrainian drone teams now. You can't deny the score anymore.I wonder what you could do with your points if you got really good at coaxing ziggers into offing themselves without expending your drones. Can you buy things other than more drones with them? Or do you end up sitting on a pile of drones you'll never launch because the first couple you send make whole zigger platoons start fighting over the company level rifle to shoot themselves.
>>65230404The mindboggling thing is that no, they haven't.Every dead zigger we see, except for a couple at Kursk, signed a contract, whether for a signing bonus, parole from prison, or some other incentive, to fight beyond what was demanded of them under the conscription law.Even with their huge population advantage over Ukraine, they haven't been able to move the front by more than an oblast's worth in years.
>>65230445>The mindboggling thing is that no, they haven't.???? We know that they're getting people blackout drunk and forcing them to sign military enlistment papers.
>>65230445There is all kinds of shady shit when it comes to the schools scooping up anyone who's hiding out there that might qualify and some social pressure from teachers to finish up high school and get on a contract.Then something of a shadow mobilisationSort of a how you going dude, still at your regular job and maybe let us know when you move or circumstances change so we can keep in touch...
>>65230055That's five tens.
>>65229351>Gold medal for innovative developmentsThis is the shit they got Shinzo Abe with lmao
>>65230452Shanghaiing drunks is old time Royal Navy, not Volkssturm. Monke hasn't used the formal conscription mechanism for manpower in Ukraine. >>65230455>Sort of a how you going dude, still at your regular job and maybe let us know when you move or circumstances change so we can keep in touch...Big fuckin' deal. American recruiters do this too if they can tell that you're poor and have nothing to look forward to.
Stupid question. Couldn't you just cover soldiers with ERA or something along those lines and trigger it using the magnetic field of drones?
>>65230472I needed that laugh, holy shit.
>>65230477Are you familiar with what ERA does to the substrate it's attached to during the process of defending it?
>>65230486Just a little explosion. What's the issue? As long you're just exploding into the direction of the drone.
>>65229934Spiritism is popular in Russia.
>>65229351I think they should improve their profit margins.
>>65229615ah yes, now EVERYONE has to carry 2 KILO OF WORTHLESS METAL TO SHOOT ONE, UNO, 1, EINE SHORTGUN SHOT AT A DRONE
>>65230476>Shanghaiing drunks is old time Royal NavyAlready keeping to the old traditions of sodomy, vodka and lash.
>>65229351What is that thing in front of the trigger supposed to be, a safety or a anti suicide measure?>inb4 yes
>>65230516Look, and be honest with me, would you rather have this or nothing at all? Because those are the options the poor mobiks are gonna have should this thing ever get fielded. Is it massively overpriced for what it is? Yes, absolutely. This is Russia we’re talking about. Moscow could be burning with an invading force at the city gates and there’d still be some ratshit oligarch parasite trying to score a few rubles on military contracts. But my point is that, IN CONCEPT, a simple, ultralight shotgun that can be easily carried and packed by each individual soldier isn’t the worst idea for combatting individual drones.
>>65230548>would you rather have this or nothing at allEmotional support steel pipe
Unironically bring back the AK74 grenade launchers and give them canister shots. It would be better than this.
>>65230552Sorry, vanya, we can't give you stuff that might actually work. Come back when you offer us something we can launder money from!
>>65229667>The one with the rifle shoots! The one without, holds it! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is holding picks up the rifle and shoots!
>>65229351Why don't they just give them a claymore with a handle at the back?Would be lighter, more likely to destroy the drone and have a similar success rate at saving the soldier.
>>65230548The idea that a last-ditch shotgun is required instead of increasing production of actual shotguns to issue them more widely does not bode well.The very idea that a single shot, break-action gun that weighs more than several existing conventional shotguns while offering substantially less utility is a good option means we're working with a heavily degraded set of standards to begin with.That's the thing, you can't get around the 'okay but why not hand me a real shotgun' question that this thing's existence inevitably forces you to ask.I'd probably rather be hanged from a proper gallows designed to break my neck over being slowly strangled by the rope but I'm still not going to thank the hangman while he's doing the numbers on the drop weight table.
>>65229351>single shot 12x70 shotgun with potato gun ergonomicswhat is this clown timeline, a fucking turkshit semi would be an insane upgrade over itDoesn't Kalashnikov produce proper shotguns themselves, Saigas, or whatever they are called? Why not use those?
One shot, one kill. The guy with single shot shotgun being the shooter and most importantly the kill.
if it's last ditch defense might as well make it a pistol
>>65230616>Why not use those?Sounds like someone is questioning the department of defense and needs to shut up or face the dildo of consequences
>>65229615>Apart from looking like the ergonomic equivalent of aids, it’s really not a bad concept.Forget competing with actual shotguns, with 2kg, why not give every soldier an under-barrel launcher? Burgers have a buckshot round for their launchers, surely a dedicated round won't be more work than developing a volksturm shotgunAnd as bonus a under-barrel launcher will have more uses than just anti drone duty
>>65229352If it's single shot why didn't they just add a tube under their rifles so then it has two uses? It looks like a huge dildo
>>65230634Either would be wildly superior too. The proper underbarrel would both be a bigger shot and have additional utility with minimal extra burden, while a proper shotgun would allow follow-up shots giving a greater chance of actually hitting the damn thing, and maybe prove useful in trench clearing.Almost literally anything else they could've done is better than this.
>>65230642yeah, also with the under-barrel you can follow up with your AK, without needing to drop your potato cannon firstIt really seems like the worst possible solution
>>65230616>Why not use those?Because those have a known market price and you can't allocate billions to R&D (for your own pocket). This shit is unique, it wasn't present on the market, so it has no market value and thus will be overpriced without breaking the RU military procurement laws.
>>65229429>want to kill myself>only have a Russian shitgun>survivesuch is life
The only real usecase i can think of for this eventual pipebomb contraption is if you can churn them out like paperclips to arm every oil depot worker, technician and truck driver with like 2-3 shells and order them to shoot at any drone in sight, one of them might get lucky who knows. And you can take any real shotguns they might already have for frontline troops.Or if you want to go further (and funnier) you can call up your conscripts and hand them the funnypipes for some very important live drone defence training exercises around important infrastructure
>>65229677Yeah, I’d rather have the shittiest imaginable barebones turkshit-tier shotgun than that abomination, and there’s no way that those would be that more expensive when mass produced with all luxuries taken away.
>>65230684>arming the Russian proletariat with relatively-concealable firearmsI don't think Putin would like that idea.
>>65230684>every oil depot worker, technician and truck driverThey won't be any use for deep strike drones.The truck drivers might possibly get a shot off on hornets etc but even in the videos where they do that, it takes a few guys with AKs to hit the drone.
>>65229362lmao
>>65229352>Weld a hinge on piping>Receive Gold medal, prize Lada and government contractMaybe the true Smekalka was the state funds we embezzled along the way?>>65229417Trained workers at the shotgun plant were sent on assault and replaced with Indians, please understand.>>65229778All the wood for stocks have been requisitioned for Mr Shoigu, please understand. >>65229954Either Turkey no longer wants to deal with them (unlikely) or their manufacturing capacity has degraded to the point this is all they can do.
>>65230622Why are puccians so obsessed with spanking their asses?
>>65230087The thing about English measurements is that they're not English in particular, they're medieval.In medieval times everyone measured in "thumbs" (inches), "feet" and "lines". In French you just say "Calibre 12".If you purchase massive wood the thickness is still in inches, and plumbing pipes are still in inches too. >>65230018Those norks died because Kim told them to, and Kim told them to because he wanted to purchase stuff from Russia using his soldiers as currency. I don't mind you fella ting totalitarian governments but don't try to sugarcoat it. >>65230303>following the warm footprintsBrutal. >>65230455>May you live in interesting times
>>65230658It's a solution in search of a problem.
>>65229351>>65229352This is some "Nazis in 1945" tier of last-ditch weapon.
>>65230040Luftfaust B aka Fliegerfaust. 9-barrel shoulder-launched air defense weapon meant to be used against grounf attack planes. The projectiles are 20mm HE shells with a tiny rocket engine stapled to the back.
>>65230342Volkssturm at least bothered to make their shit properly riffle shaped. A twelve year old boy during the battle of Berlin had better shit than that tube.
>>65229417How is the owner of the company going to embezzle billions doing that?
>>65229467Dvach probably
>>65230136You just hold it closed.
>>65230445Yes, anon, but the first order conscripts receive is to sign the contract. It's happening less now, because the broke ass bum to mobik pipeline works surprisingly well when your entire nation is below poverty line, but it was happening very actively in the first two years.We also just had the first dead mobik born in 2008, that's a conscript-to-mobik-to-meat one week process.
>>65230764>bum to mobik pipeline works wellWorked, past tense. Ukraine is cubing more mobiks than the russians can scrape up so mobilization is back on the menu.
>>65230780>la creatura de novosibirsk
>>65230764>We also just had the first dead mobik born in 2008Damn, now I feel old.
>>65230780mommy milkers
>>65230724no plumbing is weirder, the actual threading is metric the size is "colloquially imperial" as in the nearest equivalent is simply used as a name.Faggots.
>>65229615>Apart from looking like the ergonomic equivalent of aids, it’s really not a bad conceptShit like pic related has been around for years. No excuse to make it that retarded.
>>65230837Plumbing is fairly low-key insanity compared to proprietary gas fittings
>>65230849Why would they make something explosive and or suffocating a difficult?
>>65229351>new innovation against drones>look inside>a fucking pipegunHoly fuck.
>>65230837>>65230849>Petroleum engineering has entered the chat
Remember Volkssturm-Z and V?
>>65229482These rackets are so good, Russia will surely dominate Wimbledon in the future.
>>65229899It saves on both bullets and grenades, which are actual useful weapons.Plus, with the pipe-shape, the Mobik can insert it anally and slide down until he hits the trigger. Much cleaner than trying to suck it off.
>>65229352>if you had one shot>or one opportunity
>>65230881????
>>65230837That depends on where you live but over here it's BSP, in which the nominal size is the inside bore of the tube and the actual size of the threads is one size above that.For instance the half inch BSP is 19mm which is 3/4 of an inch.Screw standards in general have such a retarded history you sound crazy explaining the very basics. Belgium was the second country in the world to industrialise thanks to British entrepreneurs, so their early machines had British standards but they made parts to metric dimensions.Which means we had VB or "Visserie Belge" thread standard where the screw size is metric but with threads in TPI. >>65230764Whenever one of their cunning recruitment strategies works they simply burn a thousand soldiers a month in meat waves until it doesn't. Apparently they've started fetching people off the streets too, >>65230780 funny how that went.
>>65230837>He's never seen the fucking travesty that is American Wire Gauge
>>65230886https://youtu.be/SW-BU6keEUwNewfag-kun...
I'd probably try reloading a spent 12.7 with buckshot because a 12.7 bullet weights the same as a standard 12g load.And because it's a single shot weapon and needs to be compact instead of full recoil id punch out a bofors brass and jam a pack of oreos into it, and crimp your artillery brass straight onto a 12.7 adaptor and band it. That would then be very easy to reload in the field. It would be half the weight with the sliding tube only being there for operator safety, like a law. And because the OBP would be radically lower you could save your dishka barrels and just use a steel insert, which it looks like they've done here anyway. Recoiless naturally lends itself to heavier loadings at a lower velocity which is what you want anyway.
>>65229351>>65229352Metro wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual...
Other interesting question is whether you would want two barrels, as they're inserts anyway. Because there's a kind of decision paralysis with one barrel in at what range do you engage at. You'd really want to fire once at the range you hoped to stop the drone, and once at a range the drone could hit you but not exactly line you up. And with a very heavy recoiling shotgun, is this one of those strange cases where you want a blow forward action? If you wanted full recoil and only one barrel why not set it up like a Howa
>>65229351this is for drones, but of the russian male variety
>>65230852To filter out the retards you absolutely do not want to work with explosive gas.
>>65230877>we will see one of these used to sodomize someone that doesn't want to die pointlessly in a meat waveI fully comprehend the man made horrors we have created.
>>65231049I'm just waiting on someone to use this thing as a bong (with or without ammunition)
>>65230148Its enough to survive the maximum of 2 shots it's ever going to fire.
>>65230906Thats no so ba- the fuck you mean theres no frame of reference for measurement that is clean?
>>65230342Those at least had functional stocks.
>>65230673You've seen the drone videos of failed russian mobik grenade suicides yes?
>>65229352What in the Fliegerfaust is this?!Are we in the "waiting for Steiner's counterattack" period of the war already?
>>65229615>Outfitting every individual soldier with this would probably net better resultsfor when they anhero, yes
>>65230429You should get a bonus for that, for not wasting ammoScore five of these and an ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED sign goes ding over your drone operator's head>>65230886I don't think you're old enough to post here>>65231282>Dr Kalashnikov's Patented Humanitarian Mobik Euthaniser
>>65229351>>65229352in few years this thing will cost a small fortune to get, ain't it?
>>65230713>Either Turkey no longer wants to deal with them (unlikely)No, this is actually the case. Turkey has abided by all sanctions since 2022 to my knowledge, and has on multiple occasions discovered russian front companies attempting to place orders for items i.e. uniforms, and intervened to stop it. They are most certainly not shipping the russians actual arms.
>>65230472pfft, you wish. even that had two barrels.
>>65230548>Look, and be honest with me, would you rather have this or nothing at all?Every mobik has automatic rifle with him(for now), which is infinitely better than this. And yes, nothing that doesn't slow every soldiers with worthless 2kg pipe is better than this
>>65231538Bold of you to assume more than a handful will ever be issued. Kalashnikov will of course gladly build and sell a million of them to the russian government. And maybe there's some accidents in shipping, some get lost, who's unhappy with 800,000? Then they go from the warehouses to the staging areas and hey there's 500,000 ready to go to logistics depots. Of course 100,000 will make it to front line distribution centers, no fears comrade! What do you mean this isn't enough we gave you ungrateful drunks 10,000 shotguns to fight drones you stupid lazy fucks how could you lose them all and fail so miserably?
>>65229551>From the 2nd military of the world to volksstürmmAlas I truly see the meister plan
>>65230548>would you rather have this or nothing at all?This shit it literally useless outside of being a suicide gun and is almost 2 kg of dead weight.
>>65231327I mean, you can just make your own
>>65229351Single shot is a pretty dumb concept. Its >1kg too heavy to be even close to viable.
>>65230780love hard nipples...
>>65229352>weight – 1.8 kilogramsI suppose the idea was to make a lightweight anti-drone shotgun but you could easily shave 500 grams off of that without complicating the manufacturing or adding cost.
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>>65230303Honestly this is the most pathetic and merciless annihilation of retards in the history of warfare
>>65230808>its not suicide>its honorable sacrificeCope retards
>>65231777>without complicating the manufacturing or adding cost.Anon, my brother in Christ, you can't reduce weight by shaving off "excess material" when the gun is made of the cheapest and shittiest Chinese cheese-grade "steel" available.Every cubic micrometer of that material is strictly necessary to keep the gun from instantly exploding upon firing the first shot.It's disproportionally heavy for the same reason that a Hi-Point is heavy. It's made of garbage materials.That's why it's cheap to produce. And cheapness is the most important aspect, it allows for maximum profit when the oligarchs running the company sell these things to the army for absurdly high prices.
>>65231339>Turkey has abided by all sanctions since 2022 to my knowledge>They are most certainly not shipping the russians actual arms.I think Russia finds it hard to understand why one corrupt (defacto) dictator wouldn't jump into bed with another corrupt (actual) dictator.
>>65231814Eh, it's not a big deal if the stock breaks after one shot.
>>65231750eww did you not see her face?
>>65231817Yeah if Trump can why not Erdogan?
>>65231822>eww did you not see her face?Bueno Excellente is more man you'll ever be.The things he has raped would turn your stomach.
>>65229352MOGGED AT BIRTH BY THOMPSON CENTERLET IT BE KNOWN
>>65229666>American screw for 4,000x the priceI sleep>russian pipe shotgun for for 10x the priceREAL SHIT
>>65229667TOTALAVIANDEATH
>>65229351>2026>russian army now issuing shotguns objectively worse than what village gunsmiths in rural Africa hammer together out of scrap metalIMPRESSIVE!
>>65231822I can't see her face when I'm suckle deep into those knockers.
>>65231852Come on pidor you're not even trying. I should drill another hole in your spoon.
>>65229474>FPV operators only get points for kills>mobiks suicide so the FPV operator does not get pointscheckmate, hohol wectoids
>>65231910They changed the rules, getting a mobik to off himself on camera counts as a kill.
>>65231910This was actually happening so frequently that they had to change the rules so that the drone operators get some kill points for it
>>65231923>>65231924should give a tiny bit more points than a kill to be honest
>>65231829I don't think he's ever been shown raping a woman
>>65231951I don’t think those things have ever produced milk either.
>>65231924>tfw you watching yet another russian blow his brains out the second he sees your drone.>you keep missing quota because of this shit.
>>65230906>kcmil>thousand times the area of a circle with diameter 0.001 inchThat's a bit of a wacky unit but at least it's well suited to->no gauge that is a clean number of kcmilOne billion curses upon this industry.
>>65231814>It's disproportionally heavy for the same reason that a Hi-Point is heavy. It's made of garbage materials.Go learn what straight blowback means.
>>65231817>I think Russia finds it hard to understand why one corrupt (defacto) dictator wouldn't jump into bed with another corrupt (actual) dictator.Because they got drunk on their own multipolar kool-aid, and genuinely believed they are a serious alternative to the west, not just a partner of convenience to every tinpot dictator out thereBut alas, being a dictator doesn't mean they have to be retarded all day everyday so when they see putin sticking his dick into a hornets nest they're not too keen to jump into the fire for some multipolar delusions putin himself doesn't give a shit aboutThe watermelon seller is one thing, even the potato emperor isn't stupid enough to do it
>>65231994I'm well aware of the physics. Hi-point slides are still heavier than they actually need to be.Partially due to safety margins, but mainly because the slides are made of cast zinc alloy that's soft enough to cut with a kitchen knife.
>>65229595Because it is probably like other russian weapons and the barrel is some cut up used or blemished old high pressure 50 cal barrels turned into low pressure shotguns.That is the only reason I see them picking 12mm.
>>65232015It's not 12mm.12x70 is just an informal way of writing 12ga 2¾" in metric.
>>65231994>straight blowbackmore like straight (not gay, just for discipline) blowjob
>>65229351Is this really for drones or is the idea to flood EU countries and the UK with deniable lightweight assassination weapons and hand them out to the 5th columnists of both left and right?Because this is a terrible weapon for fighting drones but it's actually great for hiding under a coat and walking up behind a policeman and doming him.And this, unlike a modern day STEN or Luty, is plausibly deniable.>No we have no idea how the CopZapper 2000 got into the hands of ANTIFA/EDL, darned criminals must have raided a warehouse tee hee
>>65232095>kalashnikov announces they are making them>boasts about the medals the designers won>teehee it's plausible deniablityNo, no it's not.
>>65232095Pretty sure the Israelis figured this out: the answer is a 22 pistol handed to a minor.
>>65232007>Hi-point slides are still heavier than they actually need to be.No, they are about as heavy as the slide or bolt on a blowback 9mm pistol actually ought to be (but this is also rather variable, some use lighter ones, some use heavier ones). They're chonky, but that's because zinc alloy weighs less than steel, so you can't quite make something comparably sleek to an old Astra 600 or Walther Model 5, because you need a larger volume of zinc to approach the same mass as you would with steel.Hi-Points also have steel breech plates.>>65232095Have you been drinking? Why would they show this thing off if that's the intent.Also, why the fuck would they not just use MAGNITUDES more plausibly deniable and less conspicious ordinary handguns for something like that?
>>65232095They would've just produced a line of Saiga shotguns with the serial numbers pre-removed.
>>65232095Gentlemen, the schizobrain at work.
>>65232095>this is a terrible weapon for fighting dronesNope. Conceptually this is pretty much the ideal for what they need.It's just that the volkssturmgewehr-tier quality of it betrays How Bad Things Really Are.
>>65232240Or, you know, we thought about how it'd be like to actually apply your idea in real life, and what the consequences would be for using a weapon which literally could come from nowhere else but the Russian government?You literally can't do plausible deniability if your denial isn't actually plausible, all the Euro intelligence agencies are immediately gonna know if the Drone Shitpipe 5000 starts showing up in terrorist attacks.
>>65232095Why do this complicated song and dance then? It's pretty much the Exit Stick for the mobik after he gets droned.And it willl alllow them to drop the number of AK per meatwave team to one.>the man with the gas cooker getes an AK!>the man with the gas bottle gets the exit stick!>when teh first man gets droned, he uses the exit stick!>the second man picks up the AK and gets droned!
>>65232269And they wouldn't know if it was Saigas or anything else? Anyway, the fuck Pierre gon' do?
>>65232278The easiest way to get actual shotguns in Europe is to hop in a car, drive to Czechia, Austria or Finland, buy one and then drive home.It's slightly more complex than that at the 'buy' step, but vastly easier than some 5D chess setup that requires making a bangstick somewhere beyond the Ural.
>>65231951A true Russian at heart.
>>65231951We've had a vid of a zigger attempting to rape a woman.It's froma FPV drone. The zigger attempts to run away after he hears the drone and the woman kicks him off herself.
>>65232095Anon.You forgot your meds.Go take them.
Hey so while this thread is somewhat about shotguns, what is the sexiest shotgun I could be buying? >Hard mode: No external magazine, no pistol grip
>>65232382>O/U687 EELL classic>SxSidk
>>65232278Why would they have to use Saigas? They probably already have a stockpile of various normal pistols and sporting weapons acquired from Europe since the KGB days, if the asset uses an old FN1900 with filed off serials, a Glock 17 stolen from police, or an old CZ shotgun with sawed off barrels, those are all workable weapons which won't point a gigantic and undeniable arrow towards Russia, unlike using this glorified pipegun which only exists in Russia.
>>65232382An old Browning Auto-5/Remington Model 11, one with barrels cut down to 20" and the magazine tube extended to match.Generally easy to find, just mind the friction rings.
>>65232382Browning twelvette >>65232858There needs to be another run of these.
>>65232901Fuck that, those things are such a bitch to manufacture they would cost 3k easily new
>>65229482>you're only going to shoot yourself with it>tactical medicineI love Russian humour sometimes
>>65231951>I don't think he's ever been shown raping a womanWell he only rapes criminals, the female criminals in DC are only ever supervillains.They're not usually mooks.I don't think things would end well for him if he tried to take on Harley or Catwoman, let alone Ivy.
>>65232003>being a dictator doesn't mean they have to be retarded all day everydayI wish the watermelon seller was retarded.Unfortunately he's inconveniently wily and rarely seems to genuinely fuck up anything.
>>65230477>ohhh you gonna make me explode
>>65232382To keep in with the shitty single shot theme and your requirements, the Martini action Greener GP
>>65229905>12x70 is 12ga12 gauge = The bore has the same diameter as a lead ball that weights 1/12th of a pound. Hence, the smaller the gauge, the larger the bore diameter. 20 gauge is like .41 inch. 4 gauge is 1 inch.
>>65230733>The projectiles are 20mm HE shells with a tiny rocket engine stapled to the back.IIRC they were 30 mm minengeschoss which should be enough to down a single engine plane with 1 hit.
>>65229954>TurkishHey norktard have you considered that Baikals exist, they're not even half bad
what if the mobik had a steel plate or something attached to the top of his helmet and when drone is diving on him he would orient it towards the drone
>>65229351Welcome back National Rifle.
>>65229351Drönerfaust?
>>65230065Kek
>>65229351>>65229482A tank is a tankA gun is a gun
>>65229351>>65229352Once again, they have robbed us.
>>65233304
>>65233307A jezail shotgun from manga?
>>65233117Nah, 20mm. But yes, Minengeschoss aka HE shells. Mind you, when the target is a low-flying attacker, 20mm HE has a decent chance of fucking up something that leads to some unplanned lithobraking.
>>65229351Something tells me pic related would be far better suited to anti-drone duty than that abortion of a noob toob
if it was at least a KS23 shell, or even bigger, I'd say ok, I understand why you'd perhaps make that a single shot to be lightweight and portable. Even then it's not a great idea.but there's 0 reason to make a 12gauge like this.
>>65233307His break-action launcher is also similar.
>>65233494KS-23 shells are a meme. They're low-pressure rounds built primarily to lob beanbags and irritants for riot suppression.The conventional loads of buckshots and slugs aren't impressive compared to a regular 12ga.12ga magnum loads, and 10ga magnum loads are significantly more powerful.
>>65233509nothing says you couldn't make those in magnum loads. and then they WOULD pack a punch.
>>65229358to make things even funnier the M26 used Siaga 12 mags
>>65229351It's a grift, but another kind as most anons think, i bet the employee in question is the son or another relative of someone awarding the medals, and daddy wants to help out his weapon constructor careerThey could propose the most ghetto zip gun ever and still get the prize, and to be fair it's not far off from diy shit by some drunk fuck in a garage
>>65229351>anti-drone 5.56 NATO already entering mass production>ITT everybody brainstorming crack pot drone countermeasures for some reason
>>65229351Wait a second, that gun...
>>65230018Every single North Korean man, woman, and child, deserve to die for not being born Japanese
>>65233089lmao>>65232901Literally don't need to, they made millions and millions of Browning's automatic shotgun, both in America and in Europe. Hell, a licensed copy of it was even made in Japan back in the day, so some exist there still. They kept being made in at least America and Europe for over 70 years.It was probably his most successful civilian market weapon, and by his own words the gun he was most proud of.Anyway, if you want an Auto-5, there's always gonna be a few used ones available for sale here or there in much of the world, and usually at acceptable prices (ranging between $300-600 for one in decent and working condition, I think also vaguely equivalent in Euros or other currencies in other places).Some may have their stocks cracked because of the friction ring thing (which oughta lower the price), but stocks can be replaced (even crafting a new one if you have some woodworking experience), and then just setting the rings for what you want to shoot with them.IMO they look great with 20" barrels and matching tube extensions.These old shotguns can NOT run steel shot though (beats up the bore), so if you want to hunt bird with them, you need to use something else. Some use bismuth, others pure copper.>>65232918I could imagine ways to save some cost, but it'd be like making brand new Lugers or Broomhandles, except there's more of them still around and they aren't too expensive.It's just unnecessary to do.
>>65233148Better still: he should occident it towards the drone
>>65233148It weights 190 pounds
>>65234220>can NOT run steel shot though (plastic flight control wad
>>65229351>single-shotDima best not miss, lmao.>>65229527The only thing needing bringing back in this context is METAL STORM.Don't know why we're still sleeping in this solution.
They need to come up with an Odradek-like device that can detect drones instead of BTs.
>from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TsNIITochMash#Military_products to whatever the fuck OP is
>>65233307very optimistic single locking lug system there
>>65232007>slides are made of cast zinc alloy that's soft enough to cut with a kitchen knifeZamak alloys are actually harder than aluminum.They're obviously not comparable with steel but they're not soft like lead.
>>65230103the first time I played STALKER I felt so clever for figuring out why the early game sawed-off was so weak, and then felt so stupid when it turned out it actually was just weird notation for 12 gauge
>>65233307I've long wanted to write a fantasy quasi-WW1 novel. I scribble down ideas and general plot points but never write it. I wanted to do firearms based on magic crystals, but I wanted to have at least a semi-realistic firearm using it but I just couldn't think properly. I should ask /k/.But basically the idea was most places use a magic crystal, the striker hits the crystal, this produces a 'blast' of fire which then forces the bullet out of the gun (I was weighing up just keeping it as a shaped bit of metal or a 'ball'). The guns are basically like ol' Martini-Henry, single shot due to the quality of the magic crystal. But I planned for the race of the protagonist (or possible protagonist) where they craft the magic crystal into a better shape which allows repeated striking in rapid succession without an issue, so the gun was a bolt-action. Though maybe lever action would be better....Could just ask AI t b h.
>>65234439A 20 mm HE metal storm might be an OK soution, yeah.
>>65234706stuff like that worked for black powder but I don't know if that's what it's supposed to be.
>>65235113Since you have crystals as the functional equivalent of gunpowder, any mechanical difference in firearms would depend on the characteristics of said crystals. How big are they? How easy are they to make and can they be mass produced to a consistent quality? Powder has an advantage of being relatively consistent and easily put into a cartridge. Even if these crystals are just as powerful by volume, their shape is going to pose a problem and you'll need a more forgiving action. Basically something like a musket where you just jam it in there with the projectile and use a cotton wad to hold it all in. If the crystals are more effective by volume, you could just make regular bullets with them and there would be no functional difference.
