On a more abstract, philosophical note, is it possible to really be "a man", without ever having seen active combat in a war? Sometimes, reading about men and their deeds in wartime, i think it's not really the childish "chads vs virgins", or "jocks vs nerds", or "winners vs losers", or whatever your world view regarding this topic consists of, it's more "have you shown bravery while looking into the face of death" vs "have you spent your whole life in the security and comfort of life in the modern western world"Don't delete this thread, please. It's very much related to this board, in a more indirect, but very distinct way.
>>65231246>On a more abstract, philosophical note, is it possible to really be "a man", without ever having seen active combat in a war? Yes.
>>65231259That's what a man who doesn't know what fighting in a war feels like would say
Yeah nothing proves your masculinity like fighting for a government
>>65231246Sure. There are plenty of situations where you can encounter active combat and danger without having to beat up a random foreign country; take, that for all of the hand wringing over John Wayne never serving, he got in enough dicey situations that he experienced practically the same thing as walking about on a battlefield.
>>65231246Kill yourself, retard.
>Fags cannot figure out how to into masculinity without becoming a ZOGbotSad! Masculinity can only be found in oneself by reinforcement of repeating masculine actions such as volunteering in your community/church or helping an elderly person with groceries. Basic boy scout shit really.
>>65231284third post got it.getting taxed is one thing, being obedient to the taxman is anti human, treasonous behavior.
I can only speak as an American. In the US, two things, and two things only will cause society to stop looking at you as a kid, and you must do at least one or both of them:>Serve in a war/at all>Knock up a womanWithout doing either, you're not considered a man in the US
>>65231246That's just recruitment poster bullshit. If you fight in a war, you're fighting as a mechanical component of a war machine for the political aims of a state, supported by a logistical tail that determines your success or failure long before you set foot in a trench. There's nothing manly about being pushed around on a political chessboard as a pawn, or getting blown up by an artillery shell launched from dozens of kilometers away. It's an awful necessity that the survival of a state demands as a condition of your peaceful life, but forget proving your manhood to an enemy's aerial bombardment, to sniper fire, or a drone operator.
>>65231599With respect; what are the benefits of being considered a man in the US?
>>65231246you’re view is very limited. For example, is a firefighter that didn’t fight in war a pussy, not a man in your ideal? Isn’t a man a set of principles that benefit him and his community, along with strong morality, and courage? Why is death the only test that makes sense to you? Soldiers are surely needed, but they aren’t the only building block society requires. If others that haven’t fought in war are not men, are they women to you? It’s strange to have some kind of dislike or hatred for other productive members of society based on this specific requirement you have invented. Being a soldier doesn’t even mean you are a good man, it means you willingly or unwillingly were risking your life at some point. You could take pleasure in murder, or thrill seeking, and have no interest in the outcome. Hell, the russian soldiers in WWII were serial rapists. They might have been soldiers, but a real man doesn’t rape women. I don’t know OP, your ideal seems really stupid to me. What about if you fought on the wrong side of a war? Like you fought for the north, and forced real america to have to be part of gay-america (west coast and easy coast). Does that invalidate the service?
>>65231246Being a man is about what you make of your environment. If War is what makes a man, what would we be without it?
>>65231446The john wayne shit is such shameless sour grapes. If everybody got the chance at a deferment then you'd have seen a massive drop in enlistment (since when the rubber hits the road, nobody actually wants to get death marched in the Philippines or rot in a ditch on Okinawa), but not everybody did, so they cope and seethe that he was somehow a bad guy for getting one and taking it. You'd think that come Vietnam where every motherfucker was sending their kids to Canada to get out of the draft, they'd have looked back on Wayne more favourably, but the seethe persisted.
>>65231599Kek, kill yourself my man. Do real men not exist in peace? Also, fucking a woman isn't all that mindblowing, and much of the pleasure can be had with your own fucking hand (literally and figuratively). Only thing you would be missing is salty milk and coins. Women nowadays only serve as a money sink and source of both head and heartache, but if you think thats what makes a man, whatever.I also wouldn't count military service as 'becoming a man', in fact, most people who joined the military are maladjusted retards who had few prospects otherwise. The ones who had better options took advantage of those options. The only thing the military does now is give niggers (white and black) free college and sets them up for either homelessness or becoming a sad, broken fuck paying alimony for kids they cant see (this is especially true of veterans of GWOT). American men haven't been in a real war since Vietnam.>>65231634He is either shitposting or retarded. There aren't any benefits, legally women are better off and the only thing men have is the same thing they have everywhere else, their manhood.
>>65231246Based Colonel in that pic, honestly the judeo north vietnamese deserved those firebombings for picking a kike ideology.
>>65231246>be me >have big dick>be fat and poor>join army loose hella weight >have even bigger dick now cuz not fat anymore>get to first duty station and get on tinder >Fuck a lot of girls because attractive now and have huge dick>realize women are trash and stop going on dates and doing hookups because it's a waste of time >go monk mode since 2020Chasing inner peace is all you need.
>>65231264I've been in 2 and was wounded in the face and would laugh if you said I was more of man than Shackleton for example, who as far as I know never saw the elephant.
>>65231246What's keeping you from enlisting in the Ukrainian foreign volunteers force and becoming a man yourself then ? Go on retard.
>>65231246To engage with your retarded post lineman who fix powerlines in fuckoff 0 degree weather at 2am are pretty manly.Man vs manMan vs natureMan vs himselfSo the basics of storytelling says to be a man, you must fight other men, nature or yourself.
>>65231246No, what a stupid notion.Beign a man means being self-reliant, dependable, fair, resilient etc...Just aving a decent personality and a stable job is 10x beter indicator of manliness that signing up to get shot at or have your legs blown out because you want to be cool like the guy on your picture. Maybe you should leave the "security and comfort" of internet boards and "show some bravery" while looking into a face or reality you fucking sperg.
>>65232914>triggered that fucking hardI think you're the one that should be killing himself, "my man"
If you've driven a car or been a pedestrian near cars you have faced death. Congrats, you're a real man now.
Hitting a woman makes you a real man because you make her into a real woman
>>65231284This.
>>65231246Nah. You have to steal the enemy's horse and scalp his head or some shiet, kimosabe.
>>65235649>t. bus riderPussy
>>65231599Most of the USA is not like that. That's only in methed out trailer parks where people think water is gross and drink gallons of coke instead.
You probably romanticize war because you lack purpose in your life and war is some kind of magical transformation of your mundane pointless life into something more meaningful. A serious emergency also can provide meaning to someone's day if they're unemployed, but for the rest of us its an inconvenience to what we really want to do.
>>65231264No.
>>65231264>fightingmore like walking around while getting hunted by drones, glide bombs and arty. there is no fighting anymore in modern wars. infantry is basically irrelevant. all that operating bullshit is useless in a war.
