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>65231908
About as real as this shit.

>>65231908
Who's gonna feed them if their fields and cities don't exist?

>>65231908
Do they exist?

>>65231908
Fiber optic drone can go in there, like flushing out the tunnels of nam but minus cost to americans

>>65231920
On paper everything exists.

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>>65231908
About as real as the Taliban's underground cave cities

>>65231919
Israel isn't the ones doing the strikes, their cities and fields will still stand but gas and electric power can go. Their electric grid is unstable enough that you can hit just substations and it will take them offline. Collapse the tunnel entrances so no more gas shipments for their generators, and no electricity to siphon off the grid, their "missile cities" become big, pitch black tombs for everyone inside.

>>65231922
So its a bit like their nukes?

>>65231908
more effective than the US thought they'd be, less effective than the Iranians thought they'd be
hence the negotiations

>>65231928
They also need to get oxygen into that mountain somehow, the vents outside can be buried in sand and suddenly you have a time limit on how long you can stay in your mountain.

>>65231915
Anon these were supposed to last for 20 days, not over 100.

>>65231908
based due making kikes seethe n such
>>65231928
why haven't they done that then

>>65232000
>why haven't they done that then
I think it's pretty clear that the US is doing the absolute minimum it has to.

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>>65231948
>They also need to get oxygen into that mountain somehow, the vents outside can be buried in sand and suddenly you have a time limit on how long you can stay in your mountain.
I wish /k/ would not act fucking retarded even if we're talking about dune coons. Fact is that if you've got the machinery and dictator slave system to make Cheyenne Mountain type complexes like that in the first place (and come the fuck on people we're not talking advanced tech to dig out rock or even a particularly special application of it, humanity has done mines literally miles underground) it's trivial to just dig back out collapsed entrances. If you don't hit deep inside, in lots of places or at least key machinery, strikes to various tunnels are only briefly effective same as hitting railway track is only briefly effective. It's easy to repair.
>>65231921
>Fiber optic drone can go in there
How? From the gulf of oman to the further tip of Iran is like 1200-1300 miles, Tehran is 800+ miles away, random mountain ranges in the middle that can still launch cruise missiles at stuff fine at hundreds of miles away. You can't go into little vents or use fiber drones or other scalpel stuff like that without boots on the ground to get a lot closer. Iran is big, mountainous and shitty. The caspian gives them a route to ziggerstan so it's hard to blockade them, though fortunately the iranian leadership are subhuman retards who have managed to pointlessly piss off every neighbor even those with no particular friendship to the west. Still it's a super shitty place to try to fight, like best korea on steroids. Giant, powerful dictatorship, in range of lots of important stuff. Which is why nobody did previously.

>>65231908
Osama bin laden is hiding there

>>65232039
>I think it's pretty clear that the US is doing the absolute minimum it has to.
No, we're doing, and have done, the maximum we "can", where "can" is determined not just by paper theoretical capability but also what our leadership prepared the population for, ie, nada. We've spent a ton of money and valuable munitions, and major economic and geopolitical hits, but it's not enough purely from long range air. There's no strategy and no real ability to escalate either due to choices made.

Trump, Kegsbreath and the whole merry band of dipshits thought they were so clever lying to the public and bypassing the US Constitution and Congress, but they failed to recognize that the rules exist for hard, practical military reasons too. If war happens to go perfectly as in your beautiful dreams great, but in the even the enemy doesn't politely roll over for you it may be necessary for the public to sacrifice for the cause. Which the public will do, at least for awhile, if you made the case ahead of time and got their assent. And the need for that will also mean you need to answer hard questions from non-sycophants which will also make your plans better. And enemies will see there is determination, which will affect their calculations too.

If you don't do that, instead promising no war and then that it will be easy and cost nothing, you've got no room if it turns out to be hard and cost a lot instead. And the enemy can tune into our news and poll numbers as easily as we can.

>>65231908
I have no thoughts about Irans underground missile cities.

>>65231908
a cruise missile can deliver a tactical nuclear weapon directly into the facility and destroy everything inside, and no other country would give a shit because it's a legitimate military target.

>>65232076
But where is Saddam?

>>65231908
Time to fly a fighter in through the entrance tunnel, bomb the missiles and power generators, and then fly back out of the tunnel as it all blows up around

>>65232083
>there is nothing we can do
>the humble unprotected oil pumping station, pipeline, and drilling field:

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>>65231908
My thoughts is that you're brown

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>>65232083
Just a reminder that this war caused Armchair Warlord to have his broken clock moment, when he correctly predicted the closure of the Straits of Hormuz.
Armchair Warlord is literally a better strategist than Hegseth. That's quite an achievement for Hegseth.

>>65232094
>>there is nothing we can do
>THIS time (#135) we've totally got a deal!
Yeah.
>>the humble unprotected oil pumping station, pipeline, and drilling field:
The problem retard is that "humble unprotected oil pumping stations, pipelines, and drilling fields" exist in allied countries in the area too, not just in Iran, and supply a ton of stuff worldwide that influences our economy. If our leadership had gotten most of the pop and allies on board as with previous wars like Iraq, then maybe they could say
>"look, we're going to have to tighten our belts and deal with $10-15/gallon gas for awhile and a lot of inflation, that's the price of freedom, we'll get through it"
and have people tolerate it. Also there could have been strategies in place to mitigate the hit, extra storage built up, replacements for things like fabrication-grade helium ready to go, and so on. Normal war prep.

But since they didn't do that and the public hates it if they try they will be obliterated in elections that are now less than 5 months away. That means Iran has lots of leverage too. That's the whole, obvious, known for fucking decades conundrum.

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picrel already adequately summarizes my thoughts on the matter

>>65232112
>Just a reminder that this war caused Armchair Warlord to have his broken clock moment, when he correctly predicted the closure of the Straits of Hormuz.
EVERYONE predicted that since like the 1980s, that's precisely why previous US administrations were always fucking cautious about actually going to full scale war. So Baldhead Copelord gets no credit for pointing out the obvious... except
>Armchair Warlord is literally a better strategist than Hegseth. That's quite an achievement for Hegseth.
This is depressingly true though, since "open a middle east 101 book or at least watch a 5 minute youtube summary" is apparently something Bald is capable of and Hegseth is too drunk for.

>>65232119
doesn't do shit though anon. A GBU57 can do a few hundred feet of earth or like, <100ft of reinforced concrete. It's not going through a thousand fucking feet of granite. Also we only had a few dozen of them and already used up half. Like a lot of fancy US weapons they're cool but stupid expensive and not mass manufactured and we don't have a pipeline to pump them out, which is fine for waving as a stick or rare surgical use but in a full scale war where economics matter you burn through that shit quick and then what. Like using Patriots against lawnmower engine drones. That doesn't scale and jesus christ we've witnessed it in real time in Ukraine for 4 years now and should have known better.

>>65232136
Do you need to do anything besides collapsing the entrances and launch silos?

>>65231915
>>65231925
so where are the missiles coming from?

>>65232066
>Pic
Literally every dwarf fortress game I play, just add a warehouse for finished goods and a cistern for emergency water when the ale combusts.

>>65232153
>Do you need to do anything besides collapsing the entrances and launch silos?
See above, this is like asking "do you need to do anything besides blowing up the railway line"? If the entire rest of a gigantic complex and all its equipment remains untouched, then just redigging and repairing the entrances and silo bits is a tiny fraction of the effort. Which is exactly what they've done. I mean, obviously, right? Being able to dig the fucking thing in the first place necessarily means being able to do tiny bits of it again.

Now if we had enough bombs and delivery cheap enough, maybe we can out-economics that. The whole "mow the grass" thing, yeah they can keep repairing, and we can keep destroying, indefinitely. But that requires being ready with the supplies/manufacturing chains and money, and having the public onboard for the expense vs Congress flipping in 5 months.

Like yeah none of this is somehow physically impossible, obviously we went to vastly more effort and far more time in WW1/WW2/Korea/Nam/Iraq 1/Afghanistan/Iraq 2. But you can't just ignore the domestic differences either.

>>65232136
>A GBU57 can do a few hundred feet of earth
Or just get shoved into an air vent and get extra free depth until there's a significant bend.
You're in a facility that launches rockets. What do you think happens if you launch while all your vents are blocked?

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the US is winning bigly

>>65232168
A railway line can be repaired within hours. And while logistics are hindered, the guys at the front can handle a day or two of reduces supplies.
Bury people alive and bomb the machinery trying to dig them out. How many times are those people inside willing to repeat the Chilean mine saga throughout the rest of their career?

>>65232169
>Or just get shoved into an air vent and get extra free depth until there's a significant bend.
Which, given they know exactly what we've got, one would normally expect them to do right near the surface duh (and also have tons of redundancy and vents that are camoflaged when inactive blah blah). And since our strikes have not in fact kept them from repairing the same facilities and getting back to using them their designs have clearly worked ok. Like holy shit anon, yeah they're dipshits, but "put a bend in this not straight down" isn't building a nuke program which is the whole thing we're supposedly trying to stop.
>What do you think happens if you launch while all your vents are blocked?
Uh, you don't do that? You just activate the extra vents you prepared, or fix the blocked ones first? The war reports have been that strikes certainly succeeded in PAUSING things, I don't think there is any argument there is there? Bombing the entrances did stop stuff from coming out and launching and require spending time to repair. But then they did that and got back to it. Like, they launched ballistic missiles at stuff in the area literally a couple days ago. So unless we can bomb their facilities more regularly and faster apparently it's not one-and-done.

Or are you suggesting this is all 47d chess and hegseth is just, like, letting them shoot missiles at our early warning radars and bases and allies?

>>65232178
>A railway line can be repaired within hours
And mountain complex entrance can apparently be repaired in weeks.
>Bury people alive
We can't, that's the issue. We can hit entrances from time to time with expensive munitions and aircraft. Maybe some random fuckers happen to be right at the entrance at that time and dies but why would monstrous dictators who will cheerfully massacre tens of thousands of their own people give a single fucking shit?
>and bomb the machinery trying to dig them out.
There's a lot of reasons that might be non-trivial, but the fact is that apparently it is because after months of fucking attacks Iran is still firing away.
>How many times are those people inside willing to repeat the Chilean mine saga throughout the rest of their career?
Lots apparently, some may be zealots but probably also their families get executed or something if they refuse. And they know it won't be the rest of the career but until Democrats take control, or until the pressure of that approaching makes Trump fold as he's clearly desperate to find an exit.

>>65232192
Nta but limply flinging your few remaining missiles in the general direction of your adversarie's nearest assets isn't a war winning strategy. It's a "god I hope they get bored before we have to start living down here" strategy

>>65232172
Imagine being the schmuck who has to post that shit.

>>65232207
I've been hearing that ships have bwen transiting, but so far I've only seen evidence of the us blockade enforcement. Iran has also said they've interdicted vessels, but provide no evidence for this, so it seems likely ships are getting through at least

>>65232210
>hundreds of ships in 2 months
when it used to be hundreds per day

>>65232206
I really hope you're a yuro or turdie and not another American because seeing dudes who should know better descend into ziggertier cope has been depressing. Lot of people I thought were into military stuff turned out to just be tribal sports fans. One can hate Iran and want to see the regime obliterated and still be angry if a war to do it is completely mismanaged. Like shit dude, I feel like those of us who hate the Iran regime should be more not less angry about the blundering and that the regime has a decent chance to end up stronger. Unpopular old faggot removed, new younger leadership which didn't fracture due to the war uniting factions, war excuses and population suppressed, shit sucks. Most recent deal apparently going to pay them billions just like trump whined about obama doing.

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>>65232083
Trvth.

>>65232222
I think you're forgetting that Hegseth just released a video of him pumping iron with the troops, where he didn't quite manage to do a full rep 40 times.
Suck on that tranny!

>>65231908

Iranian mountains arent granite, they are sedimentary rocks.

>>65232169
>Or just get shoved into an air vent and get extra free depth until there's a significant bend.

They are likely using T-shaped vents where the horizontal bar is connected to the outside at both ends and the vertical bar is the actual vent. That way shock waves from the outside will roll in from one outside went and out of the other. Such designs are standard for designing bunker entrances and vents particulary if you want to make them nuke resistant.

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complete bullshit. the jews push this nonsense as they want an excuse to nuke iran.
brought to you by the same compulsive liars who told you there was a multi-story underground hamas base under al shifa hospital in gaza.
>oy vey! it seems like we now have no choice but to flatten the last standing hospital in gaza! how unfortounate!!

IDF have no controlled the hospital for over a year, why not show the underground base?

>>65232222
>Lot of people I thought were into military stuff turned out to just be tribal sports fans.

That is indeed an american and that is also your typical mystery meat whyte trash idiot from a multigenerational "southern military family". If you havent figured them out from all the deleted chink threads you will never get them.

>>65232276
>nuke iran
I'm okay with this

>>65232112
>reddit is now praising sneedchair baldlord out of blind contrarianism

>>65232297
>praising
It's not really praising to say that you are marginally better than the worst strategist of modern times. Well, second worst, worst would be Putin.
Or are you simply ESL and weren't able to parse the "stopped clock" comment?

>>65232222
Idk what gave you the idea I didn't think it was being mismanaged, I just don't get the thirdie cope that being able to fire missiles at all means iranian total victory (nevermind the fact that they can't enforce their foreign policy OR sell their oil). Zigger tier cope? Not in the slightest

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>>65232172
It's pretty sad when uscentcom is about as trustworthy as any kremlin mouthpiece

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>>65231908
It would be really cool if they were real and not just some simple storage tunnels.

>>65231915
It's the same propaganda as Tora Bora.
>oh noes, the evil sand people have a massive and unassailable mountain fortress just like your favorite super villains!!!
>this surely means you're the scrappy underdog fighting the world's greatest evil and not the greatest imperial power the planet has ever seen!
>we're not struggling against some backwater fuckheads with last century technology, they're really, really powerful, trust me!!!

>>65231908
Completely destroying the entirety of the structures themselves is unnecessary, just do enough bombing to cave in almost every cave entrance. Also make sure that you cut off the mountains from parts of the country with food and fuel.

>>65231915
>movies
lol

>>65232086
Dieded in Silly Putty cave.

>>65232207
>>65232376
Brown

>>65232603
Trump tried that and it didn't work.

>>65232349
Iran fought the Trump regime from demanding unconditional surrender to an unconditional cease fire. Now Iran we find out Iran struck a separate peace with the UAE, (enforcing their foreign policy) receiving billions in reparations from the emirate in exchange for not targeting their territory. Nobody won anything here, everyone lost to the idiotic hubris of the Trump fascist regime. But that's ok, the next catastrophe is coming, the second Trump thinks Iran is over. Have fun. You voted for it.

>>65232750
counter-point: You're brown.

You know you're in a pidor thread when there's endless shrieking about the SecDef dweeb.

>>65232750
>Now Iran we find out Iran struck a separate peace with the UAE, (enforcing their foreign policy) receiving billions in reparations from the emirate in exchange for not targeting their territory.
Source?

>>65232753
as soon as "kegsbreath" shows up then it's 100% the mentally unhinged brown redditor that spends every waking moment of his miserable life blaming little heggy for him not being born white.

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>>65232172
But /pol/ said iran was winning!!!

>>65232761
>"kegsbreath"
I will never, ever, understand this insult.
>yeah so, dude got a bunch of ivy league degrees and got his dick wet in GWOT.... BUT.... he parties really fucking hard, sooo....

Also, Whiskey Pete has a better ring to it.

I have ideas but will not sure them because OP didn't share his first

>>65232765
if you're a terminally online redditor it's funny and clever. he's also been known to use "DUIhire." it's just painfully lame. there's also a chance he's a wumao considering his propensity for sucking off the PRC.

>>65232761
The gayest fucking thing about that loser is that he will sockpuppet conversations and think he's clever enough to not make it obvious. He has to have some sort of disorder.

>>65232172
The strait was open to begin with. It's like breaking a vase, fixing it and saying that you just built a vase. Americans are weak and retarded.

>>65232750
>enforcing their foreign policy
So iran can sell their oil now and is free from embargo?

>>65232946
The difference is that iran broke the vase and said no one is allowed to fix it but them

>>65232083
>No, we're doing, and have done, the maximum we "can", where "can" is determined not just by paper theoretical capability but also what our leadership prepared the population for, ie, nada. We've spent a ton of money and valuable munitions, and major economic and geopolitical hits, but it's not enough purely from long range air. There's no strategy and no real ability to escalate either due to choices made.

>we
>our
>we've

I find it so strange when browns and thirdies larp as "concerned" americans.

Is this propaganda or something kind of weird struggle session rooted in the knowledge that you're merely a speck of shit in a sea of brown?

>>65232761
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>>65232796
Jesus imagine defending Hegseth. Even to the point of screeching that it's ok the secdef is a drunk. These can only be posts by Russians and brownoids who think Hegseth is ruining the American military and they want it to continue.

>>65233025
It's Robert again. You can tell from the multiple posts talking to himself, samefagging and the poisoning the well with calling everyone who criticises Hegseth brown or reddit or nafo.
He defends Hegseth because he hates the US military.

>>65233031
Dawg, the people defending Hegseth are the people defending the US military and the war. I’ve seen people (assuming it’s not just you) blame Robert for a slew of things in other threads but please keep your delusions to /meg/.

>>65233025
>>65233031
Yes, I'm sure some faggot spewing Twitter shitlib witticisms and nonsensically accusing people of being Russian who's big mad at a cabinet secretary because the military is no longer treated as a jobs program for fat queer socialist women of color just organically made his way here to the gun board.

>>65231908
Sounds like BS to justify a war.

>they have cities of mass destruction goys! really!!!

>>65231908
Pretty ingenious way to counter Epstein Coalition air power and I'm sure even the Iranians were surprised by not even a single one of their missile cities being permanently knocked out. The humble tunnel caused the greatest defeat defeat in American history.

The future of warfare is underground. Instead of going to space we should be digging down.

>Russia has been humiliated
>USA is being humiliated
What's next, China losing to Tibet?

>>65233068
>>65233063
Gosh, all the buzzwords, Robert. Why don't you tell us why you love Hegseth so much?

>>65232276
Are you trying to say they weren't using tunnels and underground facilities to hide in?
We have drone footage of the tunnels, they brag about their tunnels, what are you even trying to say here?
It doesn't literally look like the one in the video?

>>65232083
>We
You aren't an American.

>>65233025
post a timestamped gun you own and I will seriously engage with you

>>65231908
if you were in charge of planning a mission on destroying one, how would you go at it?

You might as well ask me my thoughts on Jewish benevolence, since that's just as real as Iranian mountain super bunkers.

>>65232165
From some raghead in a hilux.

>>65233436
I assume it was stored somewhere before being put into the hilux?

>>65233408
Find all the entrances, bomb them to shit. Find the missile launch holes, bomb them to shit. Find any ventilation infrastructure, bomb it to shit. Keep an eye on any excavation attempts, bomb them to shit.

No point in trying to destroy the internal structure, just let the people inside suffocate.

>>65233405
Hi Robert, I won't be posting my gun because I'm not a cuck who does things because you tell me to.

>>65233458
Hey champ (that's short for champion btw), please keep yourself and your mental illness in /meg/, okay? No one else here needs to have your schizoid ramblings ruin their weekend.

Thanks!

>>65231908
retarded ass idea
costs a metric fuckton of money,resources and man-hours to build for little to no benefit in war. the enemy just bombs the entrances and proceeds to have free reign destroying your logistics/infrastructure/bases

your soldiers will spend the entire work choking on fumes and digging their way out of the rubbel, clearing the entrences and firing ports and would only be done by the time your leadership and millitary is effectively deleted.

>dude hit the vents
LMAO actual retards think a massive underground complex doesn't have air compressors and air exchange systems.

It's likey designed to go months on stored air alone let alone what they can exchange with vents and produce on their own. People can't be this fucking STUPID can they?

>>65232743
It did, hence ton of dead Iran leaderships, also fire and smoke does exist to fuck up the air ventilation system enough

>>65232961
Because brown (and Europe but you get the point) hates America when they do something that benefits America rather than bending their knee to them. Remember when everyone in /k/ were hyping America up when they helped Ukraine and suddenly started to hate on them the moment they wanted to take care their own matter? And the Iran war, when America asked, they declined, sure, their choice, but when the ceasefire talks came and they acted like they owned the strait

>>65233025

For some reason some braindead yanks think kegsbreath is a good guy even though he leaks military intelligence and has meltys in front of media lol

>>65233463
NTA but post a timestamped pic with your gun and I’ll do the same

I want to see what you have

Promise I don’t work for an alphabet soup agency

>>65233580
>to take care their own matter
good morning saar

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>>65233443
>Find all the entrances, bomb them to shit. Find the missile launch holes, bomb them to shit. Find any ventilation infrastructure, bomb it to shit

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO good luck with that!

what do you think runs out first?
>the bombs & missiles (and jets to sortie the strikes)
OR
>the holes in the ground

this board is truly the highest concentration of "fucking retarded" in a single place on the internet

>>65233703
>the holes in the ground
This one runs out first. 100%.

>>65232461
Osama was just a guest in Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is a divided, backwater shithole that couldn't build a fort even if the entire country tried to. Iran is an oil country with a militarist leadership of over 50 years.

the sad thing about all of this is that this was the best chance to get rid of the IRGC and free the Iranian people they are slaughtering. yes, are slaughtering. they are still hanging people that took part in the protest.
all this "USA #1 you are brown if you don't agree with me" sperging shows two fundamental problems
systemic underestimation of the IRGC, they are evil not stupid or irrational.
reckless over estimation of how effective air strikes allone would be, the US has the best and the most but there are still things it can't do just from the air.
come whenever the Nobel prices get handed out you will all be blowing a gasket because the peace price got awarded to some random NGO fucker. screeching how "the Fins" did Trump dirty because he deserves it for re-opening the strait and stuff.

>>65231908
Gigantic waste of valuable resources when they could just not act like colossal retards.

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>>65233640
Such a strange, irrelevant request in response to asking the Robert/Anti-Robert /meg/ shitter to keep it in his pants, but I can humor you! You don't even have to post a timestamped gun, I honestly don't care!

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>>65233759
>the sad thing about all of this is that this was the best chance to get rid of the IRGC

literally not one single American gives a single fuck about Iran, or an "IRGC" that has zero effect on their lives or anything in it. Iran has no meaning to Americans in any way shape or form

>they are still hanging people that took part in the protest.
good^ those were kurdish militants and they got what they deserved. even Trump said as much

>>65233143
>greatest defeat defeat
how many normal defeats is this equivalent to in thirdiese?

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>>65233770
>Gigantic waste of valuable resources when they could just not act like colossal retards.
the "underground missile cities" are 100% of the Reason Iran is a certified card-holder™ now, and not Syrian-esq failed state run by israel

not a whole lot you can do to a country that turned itself into one gigantic never ending underground VLS missile maze

>>65231908
Building one of those would take decades, be incredible obvious and cost more than Iran makes in a century. So I'm going to say that they don't exist.

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>>65233781
>how many normal defeats is this equivalent to in thirdiese?

one defeat per nato nation....so....like....40 or something? I lost count (as an American) winning so hard over here i literally got 'tired of it' as Trump DID warn could/would happen!

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>>65233791
>Building one of those would take decades, be incredible obvious and cost more than Iran makes in a century. So I'm going to say that they don't exist.

webm related

I'm going to remind everyone that the White House recently laid out how they had been doing clandestine night shuttle convoys through the Strait which has gotten 100 million barrels of oil to market. This is only like 5 days worth of pre conflict traffic, but it does indicate that Iran does not have the iron grip on the Strait the like to claim to. The fact that this was made public is also an indicator that the situation is under control enough to for the operation to no longer need secrecy.

>>65233805
bragging about smuggling the equivalent of a 2litre bottle of coke™ worth of oil out of the strait seems more desperate than it does "winning" especially when said country has no navy, no airforce, no radars and no leadership.....

>>65233839
Who care? As long as markets can limp forward with duct tape and chewing gum, Iran has no path to victory.

>>65233805
>White House recently laid out how they had been doing clandestine night shuttle convoys through the Strait which has gotten 100 million barrels of oil to market.
They lied. (shocker) Tanker traffic is visible via daily Sentinel 2 scans of the Earth and there is no evidence of that amount of movement through the strait. If Iran was really feeling the closure was being breached too much they'd just start blowing up refineries again lol.

>>65233703
The holes in the ground are reinforced entry ways that have to be big enough for goods. So to answer your question one proper sortie can in fact seal entrance. The limit on how long is a combination of what tools they have in their bunker and the strike package chosen for the tunnels.

You can quite literally pull up any news article right now and find that Iran actually sealed their own nuke supplies in a booby trapped cavern out of fear of the US seizing it

>>65233870
>Who care? As long as markets can limp forward with duct tape and chewing gum, Iran has no path to victory.

eventually the real, actual, literal oil will run out and the theoretical stock-bux wont have a high enough octane rating to move cars and trucks

>>65233901
>The holes in the ground are reinforced entry ways that have to be big enough for goods. So to answer your question one proper sortie can in fact seal entrance. The limit on how long is a combination of what tools they have in their bunker and the strike package chosen for the tunnels.
only #238503695476438604 more tunnels, entrances and air holes to go...can we get a head-count on the bombs? what about the jets to deliver them?, seems pretty risky to sortie thounsands of flights rolling-thunder style for holes in the ground that are (MAYBE) 'the real one' or dont have backhoes and excavators a mile into the shaft waiting to dig it out

>>65233900
the amount of tankers that were 'suggested' got through are the virtual equivalent to smuggling a few 5 gallon buckets of moonshine across some tennessee county line

>>65231908
Honestly that's rad as fuck

>>65233921
It won't. Iran cannot even begin to hope to contest the night

>>65233921
Hand and gun

>>65231919
>whelp, we forgot the can opener!

>>65232961
>>65233580
>>65233401
There are few things more subhuman turdie brown (snowgerian mongoloid rape babies go in this category too) then being unwilling to criticize your own government's fuckups. America has been made way stronger and more militarily serious by not putting Dear Leaders and their military decisions on a pedestal. Russia today is the ur-example of what happens when the emperor ends up surrounded by yes men and an entire society exists where nobody can go
>"hey isn't this approach kinda fucking stupid and causing a lot of self-inflicted damage?"
and instead everyone just shuffles lemminglike however tsar monke wills it, feeding flattering lies back up the stack.

Though yeah I know a lot of my fellow americans are literal inbred fucking retards so maybe you are just working to weaken America for free.

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>>65234028
>I'm actually astounded that he hasn't been fired yet.
hes quite literally being kept on 'hold' to take 90% of the fall for this idiotic failed war of israeli aggression.

>>65234045
You are not American.

Hand, outlet and gun, turdie.

>>65234048
>Hand, outlet and gun, turdie.
should be an instant ban to post that trash without the post being directly accompanied by your own time-stamped "proof" in the accusation

Oh good the Hegseth seething zigger hasn't been drone struck yet, I was getting worried!

>>65233805
5 days' traffic isn't insignificant when you consider the time frame in which that traffic has even been attempted. It definitely indicates that Iran is no longer capable of stopping the strait, only restricting it.
>>65233900
Got a link? And don't try to link transponder-dependent data, since naturally a lot of the vessels are going to run the strait dark.
>they'd just start blowing up refineries again lol.
They would not, because their air and missile assets have been too severely degraded to do so. Like with Russia, they're never going to completely 100% use up their reserves, but it's quite obvious that weeks of heavy air campaigns have devastated their stocks and they used up most of the rest. If they did have those missiles in significant numbers, they would still be using them, to increase leverage in a stalled negotiation where time is not on their side.
>inb4 you try to pretend the US midterms are a greater pressure than the total collapse of the Iranian economy
>>65233921
>eventually the real, actual, literal oil will run out and the theoretical stock-bux wont have a high enough octane rating to move cars and trucks
The large majority of Iranian oil was consumed by China, who maintains a large reserve that, if their official numbers are true, is still >95% full. Global prices have increased but it doesn't seem that anywhere is actually running short of domestic petroleum supply except Russia, who are running short due to their own war with an enemy intentionally targeting their petroleum infrastructure.

>>65234050
>N-no u
Begone, brown.

>>65234053
>Oh good the Hegseth seething zigger hasn't been drone struck yet, I was getting worried!

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/12/hegseth-calls-ukraines-return-to-old-borders-unrealistic-00203799
>https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/12/world/europe/ukraine-war-hegseth-nato.html

whos the zigger again? LMAOO

>>65234053
Nice try Robert. Hegseth's greatest warrior has also been an annoying vatnigger shill for years. This is the price of lolcow status, you cannot escape certain associations.

I'm not even someone who disapproves of the Iran war, and yet I still disapprove of Hegseth, who has demonstrated incompetency repeatedly, massively, and long before Iran ever kicked off.

>>65234075
post gun

>>65234046
Israel is our ally and Iran was working on nukes.

How braindead are you ziggers?

Imagine a /k/ where anyone who ever had an IP listed as outside of the US or had any association with /pol/ or /int/ was unable to participate.

>>65233771
Sorry it was strange, I’m not a /k/ regular so I don’t know about the Robert thing. I was just curious since I noticed gun timestamps are a thing here. Not even saying you’re wrong about anything. What kind of AR do you have? I’m a pistol only right now and looking to get a long arm besides a shotgun. Most of the recommendations I’ve seen are to check out Daniel Defense or BCM.

>>65234028
>He is massively unpopular
IFTHE WORLD IS AGAINST HESGETH, I AM AGAINST THE WORLD!

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>>65234080
Here you go you faggot third world brainwashed Hegseth-worshipping zigger

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>>65234065
>petroleum supply except Russia, who are running short due to their own war with an enemy intentionally targeting their petroleum infrastructure.
hmm the 2026 facts suggest otherwise

>>65233707
>calling other pajeet
yes saar, your englishing is of much bettar!

>>65234094
It’d just be me, you, and the guy that spams Latinas. Unless you’re him.

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>>65234108
>wordscoach.com
Aside from the hilarious fact that you have gotten this from a page dedicated to improving your ESL language skills, this ignores both the heightened intensity of Ukrainian strikes since late 2025 and the fact that Russia prioritizes maintaining its exports since its economy will collapse otherwise. Picrel is Russia's export tree.

Russia as a whole is now rationing fuel to its citizens, with Crimea now down to just 20L (5gal) per WEEK per household.

>>65234108
I suppose if wordscoachapp says so, Kiev has already fallen

>>65234112
Lmao reverse image search it faggot, you won't find a duplicate since I took it five minutes ago. But I bet you already tried that, and realized there were no duplicates, so made this post instead, hmm?

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>>65234130
>>65234124
>muh source
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-novak-says-oil-production-lower-than-start-year-due-unscheduled-2026-06-04/
>"According to the International Energy Agency, Russia's crude oil production fell by 460,000 barrels per day in April from a year earlier to around 8.8 million bpd."

heres Russias own self-own defeat report about it

>>65234147
>ignores (or doesn't understand) the post that directly told him why crude oil exports =/= domestic petroleum supply
TZD and TTD cannot come soon enough

>>65234065
nta but why wouldn't transponder dependent data work?
we know what ships are stuck and if they get out they'd have to turn their transponder back on
>most of their stocks are gone
that's the exact same thing that was getting claimed here after the 12 day war last year.
also if that where the case the Trump administration wouldn't be taking part in those negotiations.

>>65234045
You thirdies really haven't gotten the right patois down still

>>65234156
that shit eating retard is simply regurgitating the most insufferable fox news fantasy world talking points it possibly can

>>65234156
Well think for a moment anon. The stuck vessels are unwilling to transit the strait. The vessels transiting the strait are largely not the stuck vessels. They can turn their transponders off before entering the strait and not turn them back on until after they've already filled up at port and gone back through the strait a second time. This would be the safest option. So satellite data will be more reliable here, if truly available, and I genuinely would like to see his source (if it exists)

>>65234177
>The vessels transiting the strait
there is no real evidence this is happening

>>65234048
>>65234172
>nothing but absolute seething tears and projection
Yep, gottem.

>>65234050
This too.

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>>65234115

Wait, Latinas?

>>65234177
no port is going to let them dock without their transponder on.
just sailing without it on is a major navigation risk for other ships and would void their insurance.
those ships aren't going out and then not turning their transponder on once they are out sea.
never mind going into port, unloading (there would be a lot of chatter about a ship that's supposed to be stuck turning up in port without a transponder on) and going back in again.
or the dozen plus ships it would take to get to that 100 million barrel number all doing the same

>>65234190
Yes I'm sure port rules and insurance concerns apply as normal when transiting a strait where a nation is claiming they will fire upon your vessel

>>65234194
nigger I'm not talking about the transit
those ships don't fall of the edge of the world once they are past the strait and you should be able to see when they turn their transponder back on because they aren't going anywhere without those on

>>65234156
What's happening is that handful of ships owned largely by state run firms are transiting the strait at night under escort and transferring the fuel to ships in the Gulf of Oman in shuttle runs. Iran can really only track them for a firing solution visually and by transponder. Good luck getting an accurate shot from 20 miles away in darkness or fighting the Americans at night, which leaves transponders. Anyone actually trying to conceal themselves, like say someone moving under cover of darkness, is not going to have their transponder on.

>>65234215
>Good luck getting an accurate shot from 20 miles away in darkness
lol wut. giant fucking tanker ships on the fucking ocean are not invisible on thermals anon any rando cheapshit chinesium thermal is going to let you see that with a drone 20 miles away zero issue. the days when america had some insane advantage here are long gone. tons of rando individual kommandos let alone orgs have nvg and thermals plenty good enough to see a ship over 1000ft long on water

>>65234215
you could still count them by proxy by looking at the transponders of the ships they are filling up

>>65234185
Like, what are you even going for here? "Hello, fellow Jew-hating gun-owners! We sure do hate innocent fisherman-killing Hegseth (or "Drinky Badman," as we call him) and wish a patriotic Democrat SECDEF had preserved DEI!"

>>65234231
Go ahead and fight the Americans at night then.

>>65234050
>immediate seething
thirdie or redditor, call it

>>65234106
>chan filename

I enjoy threads like this, they're containment for the BRICSfag malding

>>65234242
israel was saying something just like this up untill a week or two ago, now look at them

>>65234294
Thats what /pig/ was for.

>>65234239
I think we just wish he could win the war he started with the world's most powerful military at his disposal. But apparently he can't and we're about to give Iran billions of dollars and let them levy protection money on the Straits Kegsbreath gifted them.
But by all means continue to strawman, Robert. You've never been smart enough to form actual arguments after all.

>>65234462
yah real giga chads are too busy winning in /PTG/ where "Iran may never possess a nuclear weapon" has never been so "back right now!"

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>>65234292
Oh. sorry. Wrong pic. Here you go.

Why does this thread reek of reddit?

>>65232178
How much rail line can pidors make right now?

>>65234917
The /pol/tards are breaching containment.

>>65234106
>filename
Anon....

>>65235083
Oh, about HALF A BILLION TONS less than last year and a 16 year record low, with a record high number of rails blown the fuck up.

>>65233805
>I'm going to remind everyone that the White House recently laid out how they had been doing clandestine night shuttle convoys through the Strait which has gotten 100 million barrels of oil to market.

That sounds like an obvious confabulation meant to lower the price of oil futures. America claims that they smuggled out oil trough the strait, while also being recorded bombing pajeet tankers that move oil out trough the strait. This bullshit and the daily Trump confabulations on social media is why the iranians are thinking that negotiation with America is not possible.

I think we will see a lot of smaller tankers move trough indian then paki then iranian territorial waters. They can only be attacked in iranian waters, and once they leave, if they stay in paki/indian territorial waters they can reach sri lanka, bangladesh, burma, thailand etc with badly needed oil with little risk of american interception.

>>65234028
>Boomers are the only support base he has left

I am 169% Trump. He is a legend and an absolute mad lad. He is an one man wrecking ball that is dismantling the new world order all by himself. You may not be aware of it but Trump has lit the fuze on large scale civil unrest in Europe. Wait until this winter.

>>65234065
>Global prices have increased but it doesn't seem that anywhere is actually running short of domestic petroleum supply excep

Global oil storage is being drawn down at a rate corresponding to the loss of oil exports from the gulf. This cannot go on forever. The iranians know it. Which is why they will not be in a hurry.

We've gone from "speedboats will defeat the US Navy" to buried "missile cities". Death of the multi-polar world is going well.

>>65233783
You can Nuke it into oblivion

>>65232684
>>65232751
Shut the fuck up, ignorant faggot. You are making us look bad.

>>65231925
Boy, those guys sure loved their steel barrels

>>65235165
>speedboats will defeat the US Navy
They did? Why do you think the USN had to sit 1000km away from the coast of Iran?

>"missile cities"
Also already defeated the US? Gulf states have totally lost faith in the US military are literally paying Iran to not get bombed lmao.

>>65232039
America is doing the most they can do short of actual boots on the ground because they know most young people in the US hate Israel and they're terrified of what'll happen if they try to deploy their soldiers to die on behalf of a country the soldiers despise.

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Seriously, can anyone make sense of this? It appears he's announcing an epic peace deal by... pulling a monke and threatening to ook ook imma gunna nooook? And we're going to going to go get the "nuclear dust" thanks to our "beautiful B-2s"? How the fuck has this become our level of official communications from the President of the United States of America. Christ.

>>65235552
>>65235559
>>65235564
>brown

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>>65235146
>oil prices are continuing to drop because we're consuming finite reserves

>>65235132
>America claims that they smuggled out oil trough the strait, while also being recorded bombing pajeet tankers that move oil out trough the strait.
Yes. We decide which oil gets through. Not complicated.

>>65235568
>posting the public communications of the CNC is "brown" now
yeah

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>>65235581
>random post directed at no one
>le putin le ook
Brown. Paid to post here.

>>65235095
I had to compress it because the original photo was too big. Again feel free to reverse search it, ziggie-kun

>>65235587
>https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116743808155352167
>https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/13/trump-iran-deal-strait-of-hormuz.html
>"just a random post guys nothing to do with iran"
lmao you're trying and projecting way too hard

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>I am 169% Trump. He is a legend and an absolute mad lad. He is an one man wrecking ball that is dismantling the new world order all by himself. You may not be aware of it but Trump has lit the fuze on large scale civil unrest in Europe. Wait until this winter.

Mask off moment for Kegsbreath supporters.

>>65232090
Based Maverick

>>65232119
You know there arent that many of these bombs, they only go so deep and they use a lot of energy for penetration.
You cant realistically destroy whole underground complexes with them

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>>65231908
Your move, Iran.

>>65235564
>>65235612
He needs his social media account blocked, for his own good.

>>65233791
Maybe not to the extent that the image shows, but they do exist and every intelligence agency says that Iranian mountain bases have existed for some time now.
>cost more than Iran makes in a century.
You're talking about a country that rendered its water table to near-zero levels because of their retardation despite decades of warnings by their own experts saying to stop fucking up their water tables

>>65236023
What the fuck

>>65233791
Theyve had decades, theyve been preparing for this since the 80s. And iran are rich af, this isnt some regime whos only export is camel shit.

>>65236060
They aren't that great when it comes to long-term planning, otherwise they wouldn't have fucked up their essential resources like water.

>>65232172
jesus lol, orange man is humiliating them

>>65232684
56%

>>65232750
Funny that no one can refute you

>>65232952
Iran only sperged out and closed the strait after Trump moronically killed their dumb leader. Now he’s learning that headhunting the guys that would have made a deal means he can’t get a deal. kek what a dumb faggot

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>>65236023
Oh my god it's worse than I thought. If this is real it's quite literally a surrender. America surrendered to Iran.

>>65232136
Just use a B-61 mod 11

This is what it was made for, it's a waste if it doesn't get used

>>65236023
>per Mehr News
This whole 200+ post thread is literally just brown /pol/tards wanking to fanfiction isn't it...

>>65236225
We'll see I guess. Those terms seem like Trump couldn't accept them, but he is desperate to end this and TACO is an immutable law of nature so...

>>65236225
just let them scream into the void, it helps keep them contained

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>>65232119
>picrel already adequately summarizes my thoughts on the matter

>>65232153
>Do you need to do anything besides collapsing the entrances and launch silos?
lmaoooo only #398595454 entrances, silos and holes in the ground to go! hope you pick the REAL ones! good luck on your sorties!

>>65233025
I'm legitimately convinced that Hegseth browses this board and half the posts frothing with rage that anyone would criticize the Iran thing are from him.