This is great to see honestly. I hope we stop selling to Europe so they are forced to innovate, which they can and will. The result is a deadlier war with deadlier and more cost effective weaponry, a win for all mankind. I wish we had more startups for missiles and drones. Nothing should be made artificially more expensive by administrative bloat.
>>65233233Likewise I hope we stop buying anything from the US, weapons or otherwise. The retards you vote in every 4-8 years makes you as dependable as North Korea
>>65233240NK is fairly dependable compared to the US, kek
>>65233224>200 a monthholy fuck
>>65233243Should be 1k a month to be fair. Hopefully the number skyrockets when the deal goes through
>>65233224I don't like that the German word for Flamingo is Flamingo. Needs a proper Germain name like Hornschnabel or something.
>>65233249By the time german production comes online the war is probably over.>>65233252No Flamingos in germany (too cold).
>>65233256>No Flamingos in germany (too cold).Wrong, a couple of them migrate to the Zwillbrocker Venn every April and May since the 80s.
>>65233254cute cat
>>65233224germany is industrialized?
>>65233267They are about as industrialized as North Korea
>>65233267>>65233319Thank you Saar
>>65233256There are parrots and rheas in Germany, I choose to believe that there are also flamingos.
>>65233240That's slander. NK are pretty dependable. Well, dependably assholes, but that consistency matters.
>>65233359Flamingos are pickier than parrots when it comes to food though.
>>65233267>Is the fourth-largest industrial economy in the world industrialized?Do Indians shit in the streets? Retard.
>>65233254seething zigger lol
>>65233375Can't wait for the seethe when the Oreshnik strike either misses or fails to materialize due to adverse conditions at the launch site (caused by the Oreshnik blowing up on the pad).
>>65233233I actually agree. Overglobalization has been a mistake, causing vital industries like weapons development and production to stagnate and atrophy. Over-reliance on the sectors of others isn't partnership, it's borderline feudalism.Though i do think lessened sales will negatively impact the US MIC since it means lower quantities produced (due to lower demand) and thus worse economies of scale on that level, as well as lessened profits (since international sales are obviously at a mark-up compared to production costs).
>>65233224>$500,000 each That's definitely not true for cruise missile of that spec
>>65233421They're bargain bin specials built using old second hand jet engines from the cold war jet trainers, basic ali-express guidance systems, and carrying old Soviet dumb bombs as warheads.They're fucking enormous, like 3x the size of a Tomahawk, not built to be small and air-launchable. They're not stealth, and they don't have advanced features like terrain-following low-elevation flight capability, nor the ability to datalink with aircraft or other cruise missiles.Half a mil each is not an unreasonable price for these things.
>>65233428>old second hand jet engines from the cold war jet trainers, basic ali- express guidance systems, and carrying old Soviet dumb bombs as warheads.Exactly the flaw here. When I first heard about it they were making it out of scrap engines but that won't be avaliable for long and you need to remanufacture it which will shoot up the price. Also I don't like the missiles design like engine intake or size. It's a giant whale with large rf and ir signature. Not ideal unlike current pivot to low cost mini cruise missiles. When the Germans would try manufacture it they would increase the price even higher including guidance need since it doesn't justify for a weapon of that size.
>>65233224>Fire Point produces 500 Flamingos a month.>based in KievHow is that possible? Why hasn't Russia reduced this factory into rubble yet?
>>65233536Because they're THAT shit
>>65233421Steel is $1100 per ton. There's a reason automakers are pushing you into a SUV you're dumb enough to pay $80,000 for rather than a $50,000 car. They're only paying $1000 more to build the SUV and making $29,000 more profit off it.The V-1 cost ~$30,000 each. There's no reason this thing should cost even $60,000, never mind $500,000.
>>65233224>200 missiles a monthbig time doubt.
>>65233572Sure if you have unlimited free engines. The actual lower bound for this is definitely 1 million euros unlike advertised claim. We just need the wait for Diehl for the actual price to come out.
>>65233536>How is that possible? Why hasn't Russia reduced this factory into rubble yet?not that easy>location of the actual factory is unknownl>ocation of the factory changed at least once in the last year>Russia cannot effectively hit Ukraines hinterlandthe only way Russia has been hitting anything so far back are massive saturation attacks with Geran-2, which are both kinda expensive and unreliable (both in terms of accuracy and because they're easy to intercept)or by using REALLY expensive missiles like Oreshnik (~25mil) of which they only have a couple (if any left at all)or using expensive but interceptable missiles with limited range like Iskanderand remember Ukraine has partial and somewhat working air defense
>>65233536Aren't their factories in underground?
>>65233267they got working plumbing and toilets too, must be terrified to a yeet like you.
>>65233224>Germany wantsWhen you say "Germany", whom do you mean, exactly?
>>65233224Ah the lie that America was going to sell Germany ground launched Tomahawks.
>>65233536>How is that possible? Spoiler, they don't make 500 a month.
>>65233594Jet engines can be made cheaply. While ultra-high performance engines are absurdly expensive, a cruise missile doesn't need them. A Me-262's engine was something like $60,000.
>>65233252LuftAngriffWaffe
>>65233536Too busy bombing random apartment blocks and garages with 40+ mil cold war MIRVs
>>65233638>its basically this^Yes. Russkies are too shit to actually take out factories barring a handful of lucky hits over 4 years. Sub-0.1% hit rates are the best russian missiles can do LMAO.>orshitnik>hitting anythingLMAO, outed yourself.
>>65233608The company name is right ther in the article, why are you pretending to be retarded?
>>65233626If the US wasn't going to do it, why are you seething about it then?
>>65233626>Ah the lie that America was going to sell Germany ground launched Tomahawks.the US has zero operational ground launched Tomahawks outside of a single demonstrator prototype.
>>65233240Just ignore the 70 years the US bankrolled your entire defense budget. Either way, glad Euros are finally standing on their own two legs
>>65233756>Just ignore the 70 years the US bankrolled your entire defense budget.May we see those receipts?
>200 a monthWe're not seeing close to 200 flamingo attacks a month. Are we going to see some huge flamingo waves at some point?
>>65233638>the literal entire Russian military apparatus has managed to strike one singular FP flamingo production facility in the entirety of their gay ZOG SMOLol
>>65233773We see relatively few hit targets, it's entirely possible that Russian AD actually shoots down most of the rest
>>65233795They usually brag about shooting a couple down, per hit on target. If there was attacks with dozen plus flamingos it be obvious from videos and aftermath.
>>65233793>the one single strike took the production down to the extent the ukrainian president specifically commented on it a global security conference...nervously assuring his 'partners' it would be re-spun up "within two weeks"explain please?
>>65233256why only swampy areas? my mediocre geography skills see only swamps and rivers in these marked areas.
>>65233812Would be really surprising to see a wading bird in the desert.
>>65233224Seriously, making it look like a V1 was really necessary? Not only that, but the prototype had the same color scheme.
>>65233264cute
>>65233734A grounf launcher for Tomahawks is not a particularily complex or hard to build thing, anon.
>>65233709You seem to think I am German for some reason?
>>65233756The US hasn't bankrolled anybody else's defense budgets, ever.>>65233807>zigger claim: we totally destroyed all their production>reality: actual two weeks disruptionROFLMAO. Good job shooting down your own wild-ass claim, retard.
>>65233890If General Dynamics built that, it'd be 12 million plus tip. Missiles sold seperately.
>>65233766>May we see those receipts?How about having to drop concrete bombs in Libya because you didn't have the munitions.
>>65233895No you come across like an upset American, but it's hard to tell these days with a the levels of irony.
>>65233817>>65233826Stop samefagging so obviously, pidor.>>65233899Funny. General Dymanics DID build those, in fact. At $1.3 million per unit.
>>65233896Anon was being retarded, Europe severely cut its defense budget after the Soviet Union fell and expect (feel entitled to) America doing everything for them
>>65233912Retard take. They cut budgets because there was no Red Army to defend against anymore. Nobody expected the yanks to defend them against a threat that no longer existed.
>>65233906You would be correct that I am not happy about a lazy lie, but your "I know you are but what am I" response to being called out on being any about not getting ground launch Tomahawks is very telling.
>>65233224No surprise there. Western equipment is designed to drain as much money and resources as possible while being net to useless. Ukie equipment is designed to be mass produced on a budget to reap hell in actual military conflicts instead of rust away in a shed.>>65233826Its only similarity is that they both use externally mounted engines. It keeps the missile cheap and simple
>>65233918>Nobody expected the yanks to defend them against a threat that no longer existedMeanwhile the Euro response to America prioritizing its own national interests.
>>65233572Germany unfortunately can't enslave Slovaks or Jews this time around to make them.
>>65233926>surprise there. Western equipment is designed to drain as much money and resources as possible while being net to useless.Holy cope
>>65233927>Meanwhile the Euro response to America fucking themselves over for no good reason.FTFY. The irony is that post-Cold War NATO was effectively 90% the US getting Europe to pay in blood, money and bases to help fight american wars and secure american security, propspüerity and power on a global level. For little more than the odd minor IOU.
>>65233890>A grounf launcher for Tomahawks is not a particularily complex or hard to build thing, anon.except it is, and in todays dolllars would cost BILLIONS for a single battery that the US has no doctrine for, no training pipeline for and does not operate>>65233896>ROFLMAO. Good job shooting down your own wild-ass claim, retard.lmao production was shut down for months and months, with no evidence to this day it ever recovered or else "where are the strikes at"?>>65233918>Nobody expected the yanks to defend them against a threat that no longer existed.so why does nato even exist by your own euro-pussy logic?>>65233922there are zero ground launched tomahawks.they dont exist out side of non combat operational demonstrator modelsit makes zero sense why the US would need such a thing. additionally the US functionally does not export tomahawks to anyone in any meaningful capacity
>>65233946>except it isExcept it isn't, because it's literally 1980's technology with a unit cost well below most modern AFVs.>lmao production was shut down for months and monthsThat what RT told you, nekulturniy pidor?>so why does nato even exist by your own euro-pussy logic?Look, we all get it, the very concept of a mutually beneficial alliance - even one that does have one side get an objectively better deal - is something that makes no sense in your subhuman steppenigger mind and not something that one could ever adequately explain to someone so mentally handicapped. That is, however, entirely a (You) problem.>there are zero ground launched tomahawks.Explain the exact difference between bolting a Tomahawk launch canister to a boat and bolting it to a truck, please. Oh wait, you're a retarded zigger, so doing such a thing would probably look like dark magic to you.
>>65233233absolutely great plan, I'm sure your MIC would love itenjoy your GDP, you voted for this
>>65233938Patriot inventory status?
>>65233945America's interests were Europe's interests. Name a country with a McDonalds that does not allow European corporations to operate in it.
>>65233967>oh no, not my GDP>anything but my GDP :(
>>65233962>bolting it to a truck, please. Oh wait, you're a retarded zigger, so doing such a thing would probably look like dark magic to youAhkshully, they are very proficient at bolting and ugly welding things to other things. Even used to be good at welding titanium, but they lost that expertise.
>>65233962>Except it isn't, because it's literally 1980's technology with a unit cost well below most modern AFVs.they dont exist in real life. its completely theoretical and would cost $500 milllion minimum for a combat operational battery even if it did>>65233962>That what RT told you, nekulturniy pidor?literally zelensky @ ~24:36https://www.youtube.com/live/GPTCJrNne-c?si=O-YsJXAdHD3Us10r&t=1476>>65233962>Explain the exact difference between bolting a Tomahawk launch canister to a boat and bolting it to a truck, please. Oh wait, you're a retarded zigger, so doing such a thing would probably look like dark magic to you.PIC RELATED
>>65233243What is LRIP, for $100, Ken?
>>65233968tank inventory status?armata status?Su-57 status?
>>65233756>US bankrolledsurely you can PROOFS that mr John Burger from Amerikanskii oblast?
>>65234011>Su-57 status?combat veteran + loyal retard
>>65234020>US bankrolled>surely you can PROOFS that mr John Burger from Amerikanskii oblast?smug euro-pussies should be drug behind F150's down gravel roads
>>65234037Did the russian and jewish cocks in your throat cut off the oxygen to your tiny faggot brain?
>>65233224How did Trump shit the bed so hard on Ukraine?US arms companies could be taking in hundreds of billions in contracts, and instead now Euros are moving to make stuff on their own.Is Trump seriously still butthurt over Zelenskyy refusing to make up fake evidence over Hunter Biden years ago?
>>65234072He probably has friends in Europe. I have friends and family who've made a fortune by investing in European defense funds. They've stalled a bit lately, but still.
>>65234072He’s a fucking retarded corrupt moron.
>>65234072Hubris. Simple as.
>>65234072>Is Trump seriously still butthurt over Zelenskyy refusing to make up fake evidence over Hunter Biden years ago?Don't forget him wearing a sensible, utilitarian outfit out of respect for the Ukrainian men working their asses off (and giving their lives) for Ukraine instead of dressing himself like an elitist banker.
>>65234037You do realize that that's not the US paying for Europe? That's their own inflated spending.
>>65234031didn’t that thing literally break down and land straight into ukrainian territory lmao
>>65234095>You do realize that that's not the US paying for Europe? That's their own inflated spending.so the insignificant nothing the euro-pussies are spending is sufficient to defend themselves in a fully vertically integrated, self sustained fashion?>>65234103>didn’t that thing literally break down and land straight into ukrainian territory lmaothe loyal retard completed its mission
>>65234011>whatabouuuuut ruzzziaTry to be a butthurt mutt without deflecting challenge: impossible
>>65234122>is Europe able to defend itself against russia why do you even have to ask that, the russians can't even beat Ukraine
>>65234178Then why should America spend any more money defending Europe? I'm wildly disappointed that we didn't do more to contribute to TZD but ultimately we did our job: we kept the Soviet niggers at bay, then we stuck around long enough until it's aborted fetus of a federation finally died as well. Now we should take that spending and refocus it on the Pacific. Europe becoming independent again is a good thing until France and Germany nigger it up again but that's a tomorrow problem.
>>65234103>didn’t that thing literally break down and land straight into ukrainian territory lmaoWorse. It stopped responding to commands, heading towards clear Ukrainian skies (like it was escaping) forcing the Russians to shoot it down.Wreck still landed in Ukie lands.
>>65234192the issue the Europeans have isn't so much that the US leaving would mean they can't defeat the russians.but that it would make russian aggression more likely and costly to deal with. in no small part due to certain capabilities the US has pledged to provide as a part of NATO and that don't have a European alternative ready to fill the gap in the time scale this is all happening in.there's also the question of what good pulling ground troops out of Europe would do for the US in the Pacific
>>65234192What money is being spent on defending Europe? The US benefits from European bases, ISR, arms contracts and had for decades masses of dumb cattle who would help them in foreign adventures while not having to spend a single American life in return. The US was free to suck off Israel and completely destabilize the Middle-East and North Africa at their behest causing 20 years of migrant crises it doesn't have to deal with and can just shrug when its "allies" take the brunt of it.
>>65233536Because there's isn't one specific place on the map with a large label "fire point factory here" lmao. Pretty much all of ukie production is hidden to shit and decentralized.
>>65233638>flamingo's are a fake media gimmick to cover storm-shadow strikesah yes, storm shadows which fly 2-3x their range, sure... don't believe your own eyes how the missile looks like in the footage from russia, believe that it's storm shadow instead>oreshnik found themOreshnik barely reached a basement of a garage, cut the cope
>>65234225>Libya is America's fault and totally not a Frog/Bong adventureDisregarding the rest of your schizo /pol/ vomit
>>65233945>The irony is that post-Cold War NATO was effectively 90% the US getting Europe to pay in blood, money and bases to help fight american wars and secure american securityWhat is with Europeans being completely delusional about their importance in the world?
>>65234072The Hunter comment in and of itself without the denial of facts in evidence was a red flag for the sincerity of this poster.
>>65234095You do realize that Europe spends so little on their national defense because their expect America to fight their wars for them.
>>65233256>By the time German production comes online the war is probably over.The war will be run into 2028, with the Russians giving some consideration to continuing into 2036 (after an Interwar period) per recent reports/leaks. EU/DEU bureaucracy is slow, but it isn't THAT slow.
>>65234178>the russians can't even beat UkraineBecause of American assistance despite all the whining about Trump.
>>65234221>in no small part due to certain capabilities the US has pledged to provide as a part of NATO and that don't have a European alternative ready to fill the gapWhat capabilities can Europe provide in the first place?
>>65233399>Though i do think lessened sales will negatively impact the US MIC since it means lower quantities produced (due to lower demand) and thus worse economies of scale on that levelAlternatively dubsanon: US MIC learns to make stuff more efficiently and cheaper, resulting in more quantity from the US Military and being more competitive on international markets, and US Administrations will feel more pressure to care about international markets. Both of which are good things.Like, I think OP is good too, but note that they aren't choosing them out of some politics but simply because the US MIC has failed in its ability to deliver here. If the US MIC made more and got more competitive and USG felt less able to fuck around with allies it'd be healthy long term. For the US too, we have giant budgets but they're not infinite and we've got a really really serious debt problem as well. It'd be good if we could get more for less as well.
>>65234499>American assistanceOther than intel the US is out of of the "charity" game since the current admin came in. We sell (limited) stuff, and that's about it. And moreover unless congress does something cute the intel sharing goes away in September.
>>65234515You can't refute the scale and significance of US aid so you can only try to downplay it.
>>65234489He smokes crack and fucks hookers, so what?In fact, he reminds me of you.
>>65234531Initially, sure. Bradleys were probably important.But since King Donnie took over and started obeying his masters in puccia? Not so much.Just look at the number of Patriots expended in the ME vs those in Ukraine.
>>65234576Only dear leader Trump is allowed to do those things, not the democrats.
>>65234531You can't refute the scale and significance of US retardation in pulling out assistance so you can only try to ignore it.
>>65234531*was
>>65233756>sell everyone your shit for the wars you start because of oil or some retarded dickwaving contest with ziggers you got yourself into>"we bankrolled you"God I so, so hope that we stop buying anything from the US. Would be so funny to have your economy and your cultural marxism exports crash and burn because you retard drank all the kool-aid.
>>65233890>uses 40 year old image
>>65234657
>USA doesn't need europe! Europeans are leeches!>only country in NATO that required military assistance multiple times from other countries is USAso which way mutt man?
>>65234743>e-europe h-help us defeat i-iran p-please>no how high indeed
>>65234758>how high indeedhttps://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/06/12/us-withdraws-long-range-military-capabilities-from-natoLMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>65233256>By the time german production comes online the war is probably over.I thought that the expiry of the oil transit contracts between Ukraine and Russia (in Jan 2030 btw) would be long after the war ended. I'm not so sure anymore.
>>65234713>>65234743>>65234758>>65234798Samefag
>>65233896>The US hasn't bankrolled anybody else's defense budgets, ever.AI Overview The United States has historically provided Israel with more than $300 billion in cumulative economic and military assistance since 1948, making it the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid post-World War II.
>>65234493no, they spend so little on their national defense because USSR, the only threat on their continent, fell 30 year ago, and it's only thanks to the USA and their actions in Ukraine that Russia, which had flourishing commercial relationship with Europe and could have offered strategical autonomy to the continent thanks to their natural resources, moved from being a partner to being a threat again.
>>65234959Russia had no interest in a Europe they couldn't dominate. Fuck off.
>>65233595>the only way Russia has been hitting anything so far back areYou're forgetting khinzals which mostly do hit what they're aimed at and are difficult to intercept.There's been warnings about oreshniks for a few days now but nothing is happening.
>>65234489I think you're confused on what Zelenskyy was asked for.
>>65233224>Germany will>Germany wantsOP is retarded and gay
>>65234584>Just look at the number of Patriots expended in the ME vs those in Ukraine.Just look at how relevant the ME is outside of its immediate area, especially for Europe.
>>65234592This is a perfect example of Europeans being upset America isn't willing to fight a war for them between non NATO countries in their own backyard.
>>65234959>America made Russia invade UkraineIncredible amounts of cope and delusion.
>>65235319>This is a perfect example of Europeans being upset America isn't willing to fight a war for them between non NATO countries in their own backyard.
>>65235080Diehl wants, and Diehl will.
>>65235348I noticed you are trying to avoid how little aid Germany has provided Ukraine.
>>65233946>where are the strikes atFlamingo strikes are a regular and ongoing occurrence, wherever you see a non explosive building or piece of infrastructure demolished at long range inside Russia you are typically looking at a flamingo strike
>>65235353>how little aid Germany has provided UkraineMay we see the charts?
>>65235398>how little aid Germany has provided ukrindia>May we see
>>65235434>2023>has never sent a single fucking taurus
>>65235460>has never sent a single fucking taurusthats the point, its "how little" aide Germany has sentkrauts couldnt spare a single taurus to collapse the kerch bridge, but they have plenty of thoughts and prayers tho. too many Germoids are still ziggers at heart
>>65235465>too many Germoids are still ziggers at heartim looking at you AfD!
>>65235468>too many Germoids are still ziggers at heart>im looking at you AfD!PIC RELATED wouldnt exit rn if it wasnt for germ-ziggers
If they don't call it the V3 I'm going to be extremely disappointed
>>65235478mama merkel
>>65235537>thank you, mama merkelfixd
>>65235533This would be V-4, V-3 was the cannon program whose only accomplishment was killing a couple of people in Luxembourg
>>65234037>>65233756To actually address this without getting sidetracked with a bunch of other bullshit.No America did not bankroll European militaries, they had their own giant military post cold war which has spent most of its resources and efforts blowing up the middle east on a regular basis for 35 years, which was made easier and cheaper by using bases in Europe as a stepping stone. Meanwhile Europe wound down its military spending because the USSR was gone and nobody was going to win votes on increasing military spending because the only action European militaries were getting was tagging along with America to blow up brown people rather of actually defending Europe against any credible enemies. It wasn't because people expected America to come and fight our enemies for it, but because people legitimately couldn't see any enemies other than the ones we created by helping America kill third worlders.Admittedly, Europe should have realized what was up with Russia sooner and gotten serious about meeting NATO spending targets sooner, so some criticism is justified.
>>65233224>America bad because reasons >t. some guy on twitter
>>65235579Putin invaded Georgia 18 years ago. Clinton, Bush and Obama all bitched about Europeans shirking on their responsibilities. You have no excuse.
>>65235560Works for me, V4 sounds cooler anyway>>65235579
>>65235591America is bad because their current admin sucks zigger cock and won't deliver the weapons people paid for. Being a cheating bitch tends to have consequences in business relationships.
>>65234037>Euros should be grateful for the US bankrupting itself bombing mudslimesno thanks
Holy crap, why are the ziggers so mad about this?Are they actualy worried about mass produced Flamingos, or is this just some MAGA facebook group they tricked into shiling for them?
>>65235707Have you seen the damage the flamingo has been doing? Now multiply that on top of increasingly degraded AA capabilities. I’d be scared too.
>>65233240fpbp
>>65235707couple of chemical plants and refineries have been getting hit over the last few days
>>65235478>german ziggers backstabbed europe by helping ziggers... build infrastructure that contributes to Crimea's economic development and makes life better for Crimeanssay what you want about russia but building the brigge was an objectively good thing to do
>>65233224Pretty insane how trump managed to kill the arms exports. From the f35 to this...>>65233421Possible industrial skill and suppliers Play a huge role. Mass production and and development past prototype stage save money. Look how cheap we build cars or phones. >>65233594And the tarus is like 1-1.2 mil so half of that for a simpler system is not some absurd claim. >>65233536Remember that vatnik "reddit got westoids in barracks bombed" meme ? That was on the leviv training army base. One of the oldest and largest bases in the wider region. And Russia needed according to vatnik claims osint from reddit to get the idea to bomb the military Base closest to the euro boarder.... So yeah
>>65233536they already did once iirc. thing is you can make a new factory
>>65233536I think Firepoint has said that they have spread out production of various weapons for quite a while now.
>>65233252 Na just Schortens the real name it's. Fernlenk-Langstrecken-Artillerie-Munitionssystem für integrierte Netzwerk gesteuerte offensivenSo Fer-La-Ar-Mu-In-Ne-Ge-Of or short flamingo Also please but a carpenter bombing version for some cold war insanity bonus points
>>65233812They eat crab like stuff that's why why they are pink too. (The the chemicals that make the frogs gay) >>65233817Meh what is called Convergent evolution or like cazinozation (we will all become crabs at one point) Or in design terms form follow function. Production design limitations and physics determine the shape. Just like all submarines look the same. >>65234072This will be the bigliest most tremendous loss. Instead of being the president that defeated the Sowjet Arsenal with couch money while getting rid of old shit gear and at the same time refreshing the US inventory and having the EU pay for it. and get them buy American systems like himars while begging.
>>65235797>how cheap we build>we
>>65233256Why are they just randomly in Nepal?
>>65235791>helping ziggers is an objectively good thing to do
>>65235791Hello Saar
>>65234988>You're forgetting khinzals which mostly do hit what they're aimed at and are difficult to intercept.oh right, yeah forgot about themthey added terminal maneuverability capabilities in 2024 or 2025after that Ukraine (physically) intercepted barely anyPatriot was quite good beforebut they are also ~10million per unitstill, Russia makes about 20-25 of these per month now (600-800 estimated total ballistic missile across systems per year)there is some credible evidence that Ukraines Lima EW actually intercepted Khinzals thoughwell diverted them away from the main targetif true, that is not something Russia can fix easily (historically they heavily rely on GLONASS and not targeting based on offline maps like many western missiles)but also just a bandaid, because some missiles will still hit
>>65233224>germany will mass produce thisso let me get this straight the ukranians once more are saying that germany instead of producing taurus which costs 1 million or straight up buy more jassm that they also cost 1m and instead they said NEIN WE ZILL PRODUZE DIS DOGZHIT MISSILE ?are we for real now
>>65236037You are a nigger
>>65235434this never happened, germany hasn't delivered a single onehttps://de.euronews.com/2026/03/25/taurus-marschflugkoerper-ukraine-keine-notwendigkeit-sagt-merzI suspect western europe wants ukraine to win, but as slowly and cheaply (for them) as possible>every additional year drains russia>justifies military spending even during tight budgets>more to rebuild, more opportunities for their corpos in the future>weakens russian influence in eastern europe
>>65236037Taurus>range ~700km>warhead ~500kgFP-5>range ~3000km>warhead ~1200kgit literally makes zero sense to compare these two>muh b-butTaurus isn't even produced anymorethey would have to rebuild the entire production linewhich would make it far more than 1million per unit unless you'd order hundreds at onceSCALP-EG on the other hand never stoppedand is actively produced for Ukrainewith near identical capabilitiesthe Taurus discussion was retarded 3 years agoand it still is retarded
>>65233979t.forced van life enjoyer
>>65236037Diehl is interested in building it, it's not the Ukrainians saying it. And FP-5 has more payload and more range than either Taurus or JASSM, plus it's way cheaper and easier to produce. Provided that Russian air defense is utter dogshit, it's a great option for saturation attacks and/or long range strikes. Taurus and JASSM (once it's delivered) can take out high value targets, FP-5 can do the rest.
>>65236064all correct except Taurus production will resume
>>65234037all that money and still losing to Iran... I'm impressed
>>65236063you are missing the most important part>allows for concensus between the Med countries that don't want to pay for anything and the Eastern ones that want the russians dead (the moderate position)
>>65236063>I suspect western europe wants ukraine to win, but as slowly and cheaply (for them) as possiblethat is stupid populist reasoningthe likely truth is, that politicians are (to some extend) bound by what voters want and need to get voted for againgoing into (near) war time economy to produce massive amounts of weapons (Taurus alone won't win any war) is wildly unpopular in literally all European countriesas this would increase inflation even more and necessitate massive welfare cutsthe current extend of weapons productions would already be straining domestic budgets if it weren't for EU level guarantees (which just take the money less overtly)
>>65236079good postadditional reason for not delivering Taurus is apparently that it would require Germans providing target info or something which is not trivial. And Germany unlike FR and UK who sent SCALP is not a nuclear power, so Russian threats have to be taken more seriously.
>>65233224Given the US has demanded Europe cover more of the cost of its defense rather than put the American people in debt for another 60 years of Team America global police stability, is this not giving the current admin exactly what he wanted?I see this as a good thing strategically and militarily for the US. Ukraine and Germany seperated from Russia and dependent on the US for energy and goods. It weakens a communist China still reeling from what the US military displayed in Venezuela and Iran against its equipment. An attack on Taiwan would be stupid and they know that. The EU sees this, so does everyone else. They also see a future where SpaceX Starship and Falcon Heavy placing 3-5 tsar bombs in space guided by thousands of LEO and GSO Starshield satellites. Make no mistake, none of this is bad. It will save the US billions and maintain the petrodollar long enough to control all available orbits abd weaponize space. And whoever does that will control the world in the next 20 years. Sometime reverse psychology works in military strategy.
>>65235797>America is over/Adults are back in the White House flipflopping NPC babble
>>65234508Forward basing and logistics for American troops in the middle east, cyber warfare, minesweepers, minelayers, small UAS (if counting Ukraine), artillery shells, nitrate production, microchip fab production.
>>65236095>Taurus is apparently that it would require Germans providing target info or somethingworseTaurus has a pretty cool navigation system with 4 independently working and counseling parts (only UK/France, China and the USA have something comparable)the terrain reference navigation is the special component herewhich needs accurate and updated maps, especially 3D maps of the target itselfthe software behind is fed by spy satellites or other footage and usually kept very confidentialand because Taurus is old... you need a specific physical terminal to get the data on itwhich only a few people in the German military are allowed to operateso it would need German military in Ukraine to get targeting info on the missilei think SCALP can get it's data remotely, so that's why it never was a problemkinda sillybut alongside the very limited supply the main reason why there aren't any Taurus in Ukraine
>>65236079>going into (near) war time economy to produce massive amounts of weaponsThis is just a pathetic excuse. Europe doesn't need to produce massive amounts of weapons. It only needs to outproduce russia, which isn't some industrial behemoth but a corrupt shithole that only invests in things that can be thoroughly embezzled. And judging by the fact that russians have started reporting tens of thousands of downed drones per week, I'd say production is beginning to scale up.
>>65236067>plus it's way cheaper and easier to produceEvery faggot claiming this thing is so cheap forgot it's made second hand parts and actual production cost is far higher than ukraine claims. If germans try to built it would probably triple the cost.
>>65236037The new ones cost more especially neo which is above 2 million for 500-600km range
>>65236110No because Trump thought he'd still have the same leverage over the EU, but that's going down the shitter. He really thought he could just bully the EU into forcing Ukraine to sign "peace".What you're essentially missing from your post is that now the EU will favour its own interests far more, where before it was in large part an extension of US decision making. It's a step in the direction Russia's schizo multipolar world and a step away from a unified West.Don't get me wrong, I don't blame the USA for wanting to focus on themselves, but you can't be surprised that Europeans will do the same.
>>65236172>Europe doesn't need to produce massive amounts of weaponsthey doif you want to win quickly>It only needs to outproduce russiawhich will lead to a slow winexactly the issue >>65236063 hadand in some areas the EU+Ukraine already outproduces Russiashell consumption at the front reached parity, so has FPV drone usageslong range drone either has recently or will reach parity in the coming monthsair defense production is multiple time above Russia'swinning quickly would mean developing new weapons, like ballistic missiles for Ukraine and mass producing them in gigantic quantitiesor starting to produce dozens of tanks per monthsyou'd need to engage in the same stupid attritional warfare that Russia doeswhich would likely mean double, triple or more of the current spendingthat is not feasible
>>65235807>shidding and bissing and gumming :DDD
>>65236192I mean Trump wanted this too. He was annoyed that the Europeans were relying too much on the US for aid so I could see him intentionally frustrating Europe to wake them up, at least spite towards Americans for being unreliable is a good motivator for establishing Europe as being capable of looking over its own regions of influence like Ukraine. Is it the nicest way to do things? No, but its better than other ways and at least Europe is putting money down in ways that would be irresponsible to reneg on just because a neoliberal Democrat or neoconservative Republican get in office that wants to go back to the Obama era status quo.
>>65236208It'd be 100% feasible, just unpopular with the voters who aren't exactly in a wartime mood.
>>65236155>the germans designed something as pointlessly complicated as possible requiring completely proprietary tooling and software that only a select few of them have>no we can't change it so anyone could use it, it didn't come out of the factory that wayI see they have learned nothing in the past century.>limited stocksMake more faggots. It's not like you were using them for anything, and it's better to have them used on the other side of Europe than on your borders.
>>65236221It's not feasible if it means your unpopular policy results in pro zigger parties all over Europe winning the next election.
>>65236218>Trump really really cares about Europe and wants them to become more independent even if it comes at the cost of the USnigger he can't even place the US's national interest over his and his friends financial interest. the fuck is he going to care about Europe.
>>65236208you are again confusing possible with desirable.for the EU priority number 1 remains internal consensus. pushing to hard would piss off the Medmisers, not doing enough the Eastern TZD fanclub.so middle of the road it is.besides the only big benefit a speedy conclusion to the war could bring to the EU would be buying cheap russian energy again. they have however already said they won't do that. so bleeding the russians as much as you can at the cost of Ukranian blood and soil isn't a bad prospect for the EU at all.
>>65236218>Trump spent over a year pretending to be retarded by negotiating with Russia like a retarded nigger>he's actually playing 5D chess and the plan was to force Europeans to be more independent>the plan is to pivot to China by getting stuck in another war in the Middle EastTrump just wanted to bully everyone into giving him a Nobel peace prize because he has Obama derangement syndrome. >>65233224I've been complaining for years that Europeans should be producing cheap drones in large numbers so that they can stay on top of the new 'meta'. This allows them to not only effectively support Ukraine, it also allows a serious feedback loop where it's not just Ukraine getting solid knowledge on fighting this type of war. That way if Russia starts shit in the Baltics or whatever, they'll get buttfucked in every possible way.
>>65236246>>65236262Cute fanfictions, but Trump has always wanted Europe to rely less on the USA.
>>65236239Pro ziggerism could be easily stopped in Europe if Europeans gave the pro nativist blocs a seat at the table. It's so bizarre how Europe screeches about Trump then a couple years later half of the countries are full of zigger puppets.
>>65236264ok retard
>>65236268Like ECR?
>>65236264he's wanted the US out of Europe since the 80ies. because he doesn't understand or doesn't care about the benefits it provides to the US.all he cares about is the sticker price and Europe not wanting to "make a deal" or bribe him via his extended family.the moment the Italians give kushner a nice island to put some hotels on he'd surge whatever number of US troops is penciled on the back of the deed.frankly Europe should just buy Berlusconi's bunga bunga palace and gift it to the presidential library. that would save them a lot of headaches
>>65236279>European ParliamentOh yeah I'm sure people give a fuck about that when their own nations don't even have an equivalent at times for local politics.
>>65236110>Given the US has demanded Europe cover more of the cost of its defenseThe US has never spent a single cent for the defense of Europe. It has spent money for the defense of its own interests, and now grown so arrogant, entitled and used to said interests that it wants other people to pay that price instead.>I see this as a good thing strategically and militarily for the US.You see losing influence, allies and vital basing capacity as a good thing? Then you are wilfully blind.
>>65236296>The US has never spent a single cent for the defense of EuropeZigger divide and conquer shill.
>>65235579Euros are also incredibly stupid, thinking just because pidor union imploded meant that muscovia was going to abandon its imperial chimp outs. Which they started immediately with in chechnya. But hey, those in the know like balts and poles and finns kept warning about them and got mocked as "russophobes" as thanks. Finns got made even made fun of for keeping their large reserves and mothballed cold war hardware. But they are not holding any grudges, but looking forward to how contain the mafia ran, run down gas station going forward Meanwhile, burgers can't help but keep simping for muscovia when those get into trouble and wasting all of their strength in the persian gulf
>>65234192>america spends money to defend europeMay we see these mysterious pallets of cash flowing into europe, Mr. john burger from california oblast? Or are you confusing logistics bases in germany with euro defence again?
>>65236119>Minor failureTrumpushkin has setback US foreign policy by almost a century, undermining the US commitment that has underpinned the global world order since WW2. Vietnam was less of a setback than the Orange Ape's last 4 years in the oval office.
>>65236283>Berlusconi's bunga bunga palaceQrd? Wasn't aware that one existed. Does it also have golden toilets?
>>65236319Blah blah USA is gay tranny faggot nation its over repeat times a million. You've done this before just with different words.
>>65236268>It's so bizarre how Europe screeches about Trump then a couple years later half of the countries are full of zigger puppets.Well yeah before Trump we only had to deal with Russian efforts to subvert our nations, now we have Trump, Musk, Vance and Miller shitting up our politics as well.
>>65236333Did Trump cause your governments to abandon nativism and suppress nationalist movements until only zigger tier AfD parties existed?
>>65236326>golden toiletsIdk, but I bet there's golden showers
>>65236289ECR is in the European Council as well because the parties are in government on a national level, i.e. Meloni for Italy and Morawiecki for Poland. The member parties also operate on local level.
>>65236337Nobody is suppressing nationalists. The Afd has been in parliament since 2013 and Le Pen and her dad have been participating in French elections since the 90's. The reason nobody invites them for a coalition is because everyone with two braincells knows they'd shit the bed like Trump is doing right now.
>>65236361Wow you can't fucking read can you?
>>65234103Yes, Ukes cracked it open and found out it had no data link. It was going off straight up commercial band radio waves like a fucking DJI drone
>No we don't suppress nationalists, the zigger puppets have been around for almost 15 years!Lol, lmao
>>65235707Germans are the Ziggers now?
>>65235797Considering Europe is buying more F-35 than ever you probably want to stick to reality.
>>65236326>Qrd?An expensive villa.They'd have uh, parties in there. Totally normal, wholesome and not at all depraved parties with stringent rules such as>NO drugs!>NO prostitutes!>absolutetootely NO UNDER-AGED PROSTITUTES!!! EVER!
>>65236319Tfw old enough to remember this being said about Reagan>he's a KGB asset>USSR is going to bomb us all because of some stupid American>he's going to start WW3 if he bombs Iran!>the USA just lost any and all credibility bombing Libya!Etc etc, the point is, people have been saying this for a long time now
>>65236378I've noticed that ever since 2020, younger people are more ignorant than ever about our past. At least with Millennials you see a jaded resentment of history repeating itself, the zoomers literally think this is all new and has never happened before.
>>65236380Tbf to zoom zooms, the 2010s was when the floor finially fell out of academia. For the 30 years prior "hippy lib teacher" was seen as a funny trope in life, we just weren't aware at the time they were intentionally and maliciously gnawing at the pillars
>>65233756You bankrolled your own defense budget to posture against rusisia>>65233905>We provided you bunker busters so you could take part in our military campaign to fill Europe with refugees
>>65236404>our military campaign to fill Europe with refugeesEurope is running that plan themselves, Americans aren't telling Europeans to just hand out free money to Nafris.
>>65236411It is likely the same German who earlier claimed that America made Russia invade Ukraine.
>>65236411But American's wars in Iraq DID cause millions of Syrians to flood into Europe.We should have told them to stay in Turkey, of course, but claiming that Bush and Obama dindu nuffin is not helping.Please note that both ziggers and MAGAtards will attack me for this statement. European liberals and Moscow's 5th columnists, too.
>>65234037>2017why are you lying by cherry picking decade old charts mr John Burger from Texas oblast
>>65236337why don't you tell us about nationalist movements inside pozzia and why the hardcore types are participating in the war....by fighting on Ukraines side
>>65233756>the US bankrolled your entire defense budgetLÖÖÖÖÖL we propped up the american military industrial complex by buying all the shit it produces in vast quantitities. without nato buying american equipment a lot of developments would have never been profitable and so the ussr would have probably had technological superiority in the cold war arms race.
>>65235348Isn't this fucking image from 2016 when Trump went to Germany and told them to stop buying Russian NG and they laughed at him? Oh the absolute fucking irony.
>>65236768the usa literally forced germany to take turkish immigrants in the million range because they wanted them in nato.
>>65236839the americans were against germans buying soviet natural gas in the 70s already, so that wasnt exactly new. originally natural gas from russia in the 00s and 10s was meant as a place holder for until renewables fully kick in and its no longer necessary. but then again the german chancellor in the 00s got literally bought by russia and the grinning guys in that photo are also from his party. they also had trump derangement syndrome back then already.
>>65235326Technically correct:- US forced ukies to give away nukes;- US prevented ukies from getting into NATO;- US looked away at all the shit russians did since 1991 and instead pumped russia full of money;- US actively chose to ignore the 2014 shitfest;- etc, etc, etc;US is the great enabler of russian faggot behavior.
>>65235791No. Kill yourself.
>>65235537>>65235478what does germany have to do with the kerch bridge?
>>65236037>straight up buy more jassmdidnt trumps gov just cancel the missiles germany wanted to buy? and havent the americans just delayed the delivery of a lot of stuff europe bought for ukraine? buying weapons from the usa right now means they take your money but wont deliver any product or cancel or alter the deal at a whim of their head honcho.
>>65236843Turkish immigrants in teh 70s and 80s were not a probllem in Germany, and stil lare not a problem. They are literally integrated.The problematic immigrants are those from the 00s and 10s. These are the islamists who need to go.
>>65236858>trump derangement syndromeThis is a made up thing, please stop using it. It undermines everything you say.Just like when the democrats used it while Obama was in office.
>>65233240No one cares, cuck.>>65235758Kek. Retard.
>>65235478AfD is based.
>>65236992>literally integratedNicht wirklich.
>>65236992>They are literally integrated. Is that why they wave Turkish flags on any occasion? And they vote erdocunt en-masse?
>>65233240Apologize to North Korea.
>>65237024Excuse the German.Im Vergleich zu den Irakern, Syrern, Nafris etc. aus den letzten ca. 20 Jahren sind die Türken ein Teil unserer Gesellschaft.Ich habe lieber ne Dönerbude und nen türkischen Friseur wo jeder hingeht als reihenweise Shisha-bars und Spielhallen randvoll mit Untermenschen.>>65237013No, they're bought and paid for by the ziggers, like most other 'right wing movements'
>>65237080>sind die Türken ein Teil unserer Gesellschaft.Niemand, absolut niemand der sich selbst als Muslim sieht oder bezeichnet kann Teil unserer westlichen Gesellschaft sein. Der Islam steht gegen alles wofür wir stehen.
>>65237089Absolutely. You will note that I qualified my statement >"in comparison to"And in fact those who vote for Dönerhitler can fuck off back to Türkiye anytime.However:I stand by my statement. I'd rather keep Turks and children or grandchildren of Turks who came here in the 70s and 80s than the Syrian, Iraqis, nafris etc. from the last 20 years.
>>65237080Die Flamen und Niederländer sind mehr in die deutsche Gesellschaft integriert als die in Deutschland lebenden türken
>>65235707It is a few things they don't like:1. Russia fears EU countries focusing more on long-range strike capabilities. A world where EU countries, big and small, have low-commitment conventional solutions that can land serious tonnage into Saint Petersburg + Moscow is a threat to their strategic posturing towards eastern Europe. 2. Fire Point itself is an issue. They've made it clear they're expanding into SRBM solutions, with likely MRBMs on the roadmap. The best BMD offerings Russia fields have been proven incapable of reliably stopping 1980's era ATACMS. Ukraine having some ballistic missile stockpile is bad enough, but for it to potentially expand into the wider EU is an existential crisis in the making for RU MoD planners.
>>65237120>I'd rather have a thief than a rapist in my househow about neither?
>>65236801>why was the chart posted for the decades before the invasion of ukraine that the europeans didn't pull their own weightgee, I wonder
>>65237199what weight was there to pull?
>>65237199germany had a fleet of over 1000 american warplanes during the cold war. germany also bank rolled desert storm for the americans. learn some history mate.
>>65237208>>65237199germany also still subsidizes the american bases in germany. its one of the reasons why the americans havent left for poland yet. it would cost them a lot more.
>>65237213They also have 80 years of infrastructure built in those bases.Same for their bases in the UK.
>your FP-10 is ready for deployment, Mr. Zelensky sir…
>>65237204>>65237208>>65237213>we're stationing americans though!>missing the point of europeans not supporting and actively undermining their own militaries/MIC since the end of the cold wartheres no point in arguing with europeans
>>65237245again what weight didn't they pull?they where always stronger than the russians, they took part in the only time art.5 got invoked (and it's debatable that terrorism buy an non-state actor constitutes an attack under the NATO treaty, just look at all the terrorism all over Europe during the cold war that didn't constitutean attack).I agree that they cut back heavily on defense spending, but so did the US and the russians.
>>65237245800 star fighters wouldnt be much help right now and that global war on terror stuff also is useless garbage now. what we would have needed is a secret service that investigates russian glowies and schröder should have been charged with high treason.
>>65237152I really think that this ship has sailed.Wether anyone in Europe will purchase Flamingo or not, Diehl clearly wants in on the production, they do bring some know-how and cash to scale things up.And they know that once the existing engines are used up another solution will have to be found.And they seem to see further potentia with better sensors etc.This thing is a big-ass missile with IRBM-like range. Give it some terrain folowing capability and it turns into the nightmare you described for Russia.Or, if we think a little further, for China.
>>65237231Ja, sehr gut.
>>65237245Especially in Germany's case, ths very treaty that de-facto ended the Cold War and reunified Germany ended all hopes and dreams for a big German arms industry in the 1990s, and well into the 2000s.
>>65237009Cared enough to reply. Cope and seethe, loser.
>>65233240North Korea is very stable and Kim Jong-Un is a reliable ally who looks out for his friends.
They should be building conventional IRBMs like the South Korean Hyunmoo-5.
>>65233756>the 70 years the US bankrolled your entire defense budgetmay I see the receipt?
>>65238678When Diehl cooperates with Fire Point, I can very well see the FP-7 IRBM being built in Germany, too.
>>65236064name a single target beyond 1000km that flamingo has hit if it had 3000km range geran's factory would have being toast by now
>>65236959i actually tried to read it then i saw ft quoting as source meduza and meduza is quite literally ukranian dogshit media so something is up (plus no germany wanted tomahawks too the jassm contract is still up i guess)
>>65236411>we dindu nuffinPost-war Europe was literally designed by Americans
>>65239236>everything was made by america!marshall plan by burgers stopped the red cancer from consuming it all into its biomass in the post ww2 destruction. It was the least they could do after bailing the red plague out in WW2, and then sacrificing half of europe to it, instead of letting angry mustache man enact a final solution on them. After which there was all the time in the world to contain and dismantle german turbo imperialism European Coal and Steel union, which was the seed that led to the EU, was entirely an european effort and undertaking. Monumental no less given the continents history
>>65238661> who looks out for his friends.yeah by executing them with AA guns
>>65236920>US is the great enabler of russian faggot behavior.at least its one foreign policy bullet point they are consistent with
>>65239279how do you send a factory thou?
>>65239284They packed it onto a convoy of ships, and handed the ships and factory over to the Soviets.
>>65237231with the rate at which Ukraine has been speedrunning the missile tech tree it really is only a matter of timeI hope the norks and Iranians are watching this shit, its a good opportunity to see how it can be done without taking decades and subjecting millions to famine
>>65235579>>65236309the way i understood it, the US has an economy based around the petrodollar, for which it needs a foothold in the middle east and a sizeable, globally acting military. the US spends like crazy on its military but in exchange it also gets to run the money printer and make the rest of the world pick up the tab whenever they have to buy dollars to get oil. the whole idea that they're paying for EU's defense is just a half truth, since the EU also pays for the US's inflation and gives them physical goods in exchange for fiat funny money that they printed. i personally think the US has gotten a better deal than EU, in terms of "fairness" but it's all pretty immaterialthe EU didn't have much to gain from a large military after the cold war, but i guess they did vastly underestimate the insane levels of resentment that russians have for everyone else. afaik europe and the US funneled money into russia in the 90s to keep it from going full mad max and prevent warlords from getting nukes, but russian nationalists seem to remember that as the west trying to rape, conquer or humiliate russia. perhaps it's just because that's what their motives would've been, had the tables been turned
>>65239146>meduza is quite literally ukranian dogshit mediaYou w0t m8? Stop drinking semen at least for a moment. Meduza is the "good russians" media, the ones which are smart enough to not expose their (still present) subhumanity every 5 seconds and can at least somewhat pretend that they are not imperialist (they still are). They are the people who for 15 years were the Lenta.ru media outlet (main russian online news website), presenting themselves as independent (from the regime overall) before it got fully squished under the thumb of the regime in the post-2014 crackdown when the new owners cleaned house and all of the fired staff whipped up Meduza as their new home.
>>65239284You do realize that you can strip down almost anything to a set of parts? Ikea isn't unique in this regard. Go look up SKD and CKD in automotive manufacturing for example. It's like that with everything else. Factories are just a big set of machinery. How do you think USSR moved the industry to the Urals during WW2? They've literally disassembled machinery, put it on trains and moved thousands of miles east and reassembled it there. How do you think USSR got their Lada car maker? They've literally bought a Fiat factory from Italians lmao, Italians made everything in Italy, then put in on ships and shipped it to USSR to assemble and install everything locally.
>>65239273>instead of letting angry mustache man enact a final solution on them.That would have final solution'd the poles, balts, Ukies, and probably Finland.Then we wouldn't have had Spurdo and no 2022 kino.
>>65239273Retard Britain was 6 months from collapse. If the Soviets fell Britain would have shortly afterwards. The US was doing anything it could from letting the entire continent of Europe get pillaged by the Germans.
>>65239273>Monumental no less given the continents historyLook man, I'm sitting here in the middle of Europe and I have 2000 years of battlefields in walking distance.It really is better to stop doing that and argue about bullshit in parliament.
>>65238772FP-7 isn't an IRBM, it's a fairly short range tactical ballistic missile
>>65239284you strip the building of its components piece meal style (including all of the buildings support structures and bricks)
>>65234478Inferiority complex. America saved the treacherous, cowardly, and self-satisfied cunts from the consequences of their own ineptitude - twice - and they’ve never forgiven burgers for it. This explains the constant backstabbing and undermining of American interests abroad by these so-called “allies” - who give aid and comfort to America’s enemies while failing to display even a modest capacity for defense production or combat. Why else are the French bending over backwards to save Hezbollah from the extermination they are due despite the fact that Shias killed French soldiers? Spiritually cucked civilization, and the sooner burgers stop subsidizing NATO the better - fuck euros.
>>65238772I think you meant FP-9 not FP-7. FP-7.x, the air defense one, will probably be bought by everyone though
>>65239284this was common back in the day, the soviet watch production started that way by buying whole factories of some bankrupt burger watch companies
>>65239135>name a single target beyond 1000km that flamingo has hitVotkinsk Machine Building Plant, which was a 1600-1700km distance FP-5 strike depending on Ukrainian launch point. >if it had 3000km range geran's factory would have being toast by nowThat, or Russia actually has sufficient AA positioned to hit a flying school bus (and said school bus doesn't fly nearly as low an altitude as it should) before it reaches their most strategically important drone factory. It is simpler to assume the Russians aren't incompetent, as opposed to assuming there is a range discrepancy you know.
>>65239293good luck with your "speedrun" with jack-shit zero guidance satellites
>>65233756Thank you for your service mutt
>>65239284The machinery and tooling within the factory building rather than the building itself
>>65239284>how do you send a factory thou?this board has sub-african IQ's
>>65240807Have I ever told you about the concept of Brown Internet Theory?
>>65240822>Brown Internet Theory?sounds like (((this place))) incarnate
>>65233224This time it will work.
>>65233572The retardation on this board is just a category on its own.Go ahead, create a jet engine out of a tonne of steel. Nevermind the grade of steel, metallurgical composition, heat treatment and crystalline structure, it's magical steel that is equally optimized for each part of the design. Go.
>>65233912It cut its defense budget because it was lobbied to buy American while US corporations stripped it of any military ideas via buyouts, and they coukd afford it due to the higher budget paid for by Europe.Americans acting like they haven't been extorting Europe for money and IP for 90 years crack me up.
>>65239931You literally did fuck all in WWI. Canada did more in that war than 20 United States' could have done.
>>65235596Europeans have 500million people and a host of trading partners, plus a relatively secure supply chain vs russia's 150million drunk retards.They were never truly at risk if things went hot, Russia attacked Ukraine because they were 1/5th of the size.Think for two seconds.
>>65241199>europeans are unifiedlol. lmao.
>>65233224Why is ukraine gloating about germany making the components they will screw together? This is literally the, "You made this?" "I made this" meme.
>>65233766F-4F-5F-16F-35F-104F-111Many others but you get the idea. Say thank you.
>>65241253Hello tourist. All FP-5s are made domestically in Ukraine by a Ukrainian defense company using their own recycled Ukrainian AI-25 engines
>>65239931>Spiritually cucked civilizationWhat did they do this time, are they apologizing and paying $300 billion to the country they started a war without any sane reason? Wow the french really are cucked.
