>>65238705
In their own setting they were being BTFO by a ragtag group of humans with leftover military gear so no
Unless its a T-1000 humans will still have uses

>>65238793
Thats just because we needed a movie. Skynet was actually fucking retarded.
In reality, if you can make T800s with superhuman aim, they'll outperform a human being in every way.

Our monkey brain instantly recognizes a human silhouette and is alerted so no a humanoid form isn’t the best technically for warfare but might end up that way because we evolved into bipedal creatures for mobility reasons. A true killer robot design would be more unassuming to look less dangerous and not be spotted on instinct. It could also go a totally psychologically fucked up route and look like children or crying all the time or something. The last thing they’ll be is large imposing skeletons with red eyes that say please shoot at me I’m dangerous.

Depending what weapons they have. Probably it would be regular guns with limited ammo, in case of which you could send wave after wave of mobiks at them until they run out of ammo and then send your killer robots to mop up.

>>65238705
Their AI would just be coded by Indians so no threat at all.

>>65238916
true killer robots will probably be like tiny insects injecting botulinum or something

no, their reaction time, aim and coordination will be unbeatable.

>>65238705
I think weapons that can btfo these things are not that hard to make. it's just about establishing manufacturing plants and supply chains. So I think they would exist alongside humans as a disposable stormer or support gunner. It carries the heavy shit and draws fire. It is a threat but if you replace everyone with one of these, everyone will just build bigger guns. What we have today are downgrades of what we had 100 years ago because we didn't need that much stopping power. If there are humans with the occasional terminator, you will not be as able to justify switching to standardizing heavy weapons capable of smoking a terminator. Terminators would take over roles like artillery and anti tank gunners. Roles where the weapons cause brain damage to the operators.
>>65238805
>Skynet was actually fucking retarded.
this is completely true . Skynet was basically a malfunctioning aegis combat system. It judged its allies as its enemies through logical fallacy. Most of the things it created used human collaborators in the design process.

>>65238805
T-800's are comically fucking expensive and Skynet had minimal production capabilities after, ya know, nuking the fucking nation it resided in.
Skynet's most dangerous assets were HK Aerials and Tanks, but these were very few in number and a good IED or missile strike could knock them out.
T-800's only showed up when the war was all but lost for Skynet in the first place.
You know how you often see them stomping around without artificial skin? That's Skynet doing a last ditch attack with their few remaining units, T-800's are explicitly infiltration units and by standard are supposed to have artificial flesh/skin.

>>65238705
Its long been retconned, but the terminators were never originally infantry. The bulk of skynets forces were the giant tanks and patrolling drone gunships from the future scenes, supported by swarms of various loitering smart mines and aerostats, which were little football-sized armed drones. Which I think its fair to say was an excellent prediction of future warfare. Only reason we saw them in open combat in the films is because Cameron wanted to invoke Stalingrad for the final assault on Skynet, the idea of machines being rolled off the assembly line directly into combat in a last desperate act. This wasn't well conveyed in either films, so most people including later writers of the franchise assumed that Skynet had legions of skinless terminators roaming the wasteland for years, which obviously makes it silly as shit that anybody would ever be fooled by the infiltrators, even after the skin became more realistic.

>>65239129
>Original sensible lore retconned into nonsensical garbage
Why does this happen every fucking time?

>>65238705
is there a cooler design than the T800?
Anyway, i'd say infantry in general would be obsolete when you get to that point. You could make some medium walkers instead with autonomous aerial drones and heavy tanks instead. If you want to clear and hold building, just use smaller autonomous suicide drones.

>>65239152
the world would devolve into a series of emp explosives

>>65239202
you can harden systems against those

>>65239009
This is the real answer.
We're long past the point where combat AIs will be designed to be good.
The primary concern will be that they are cheap, the second that they are intimidating.
The metal men will be stronger, more accurate, and faster than you, maybe.
But you'll be able to wear a cardboard deer suit and they'll allow you to walk right up past them and fry their electronics with a $100 electrical discharge device like a cattle prod or stungun.
Skynet was fucking retarded, and the new, real world skynet will be even more fucking retarded.
>>65239136
Retards are allowed to not only survive, but both produce and consume culture, so their opinions dominate.
Children should be given the choice to either play ipad games, watch netflix, or build and operate trebuchets.
Any that don't choose the trebuchet should be quietly culled.

>>65238705
I just use my pocket ball bearings to immobilize it then take it back to my nonconsensual terminator sex dungeon where it will join the others. Next question.

>>65239129
Interesting. Kind of reminds me of something I read about the original sketches for The Matrix, where the purpose of having humans still around was to make use of some of their brain power for different kinds of simulations and thinking, not the retarded thing that ended up in the movie where it was for generating power (and they felt forced to add "oh btw combined with NUCLEAR FUCKING FUSION", absolute stupidest shit). Because apparently in 1999 they thought audiences were too technically ignorant to understand what a CPU was so had to be dumbed down to "battery".

>>65238705
Well thinking about it
>All the same shit as a human so literally everything we've made for infantry still exists and can be repurposed for them
>Now with IV armor skin, 0.0001sec reaction time, linked and integrated comms, integrated thermal/NV, no R&R up/downtime, etc
I'd imagine the human infantry would literally only be there to support them for tech issues and perform maintenance, or look good for the cameras
A humanoid robot would be a cunt to make and code but if by some magic way they actually worked the way Terminators worked, yeah, you'd be a fucking moron to field human infantry anymore.
>>65238805
This. Skynet was just the dumbest shit on the fucking cinder even in-universe. They even fucking comment multiple times that they've lucked out that Skynet is so fucking retarded

>>65238705
Networked drone swarms will be infinitely worse. Imagine fighting a hummingbird with human intelligence that can kill you just by touching you. Now imagine that they share a hive mind and they outnumber you a hundred to one.

>>65239129
>>65239863
>Lore says that teeth have to be harvested from humans
>When teeth are the easiest body parts to fake from synthetic materials
>The skin is synthetic, though
I think Skynet is just a bit silly.

>>65239874
>make perfect killer robot
>kills everything
>including civvies
>and your own guys instantly whenever IFF isn’t working or on the right channel for whatever reason like a bit of brush in the way
>also kills the brush and the birds because no IFF
>dies to artillery anyways

Frankly I think robot infantry would be assbutt unless algos get about ten orders of magnitudes better and stop hallucinating otherwise there’s a change GPT-800 just decides to blow your general’s face off because “He was a HVT and I panicked, I know you told me not to shoot our own men but I did that anyways.”

>>65239880
>I think Skynet is just a bit silly.
The original two Terminator movies are actually one of the very few "super AI" settings where it canonically actually kinda makes sense for the AI to be sorta retarded. In the original lore Skynet develops in a relatively super early era of tech, the 90s, when the Internet is in a very primitive state and not much is digitized, and it comes out of a purely military setting in a classified defended area. So it develops as an intelligence with effectively zero access to any sort of culture or the like, just what's available on the military network and what it can get from a purely military set of operators/personnel, probably mixed in with directives/viewpoints on enemies in a setting defined by a sort of cold war military paranoia. Automation is also pretty early days. Skynet not getting how humans work or what's smart, despite being a super AI, and not being able to go full Singularity, is honestly pretty justified.

This is yet another thing Terminator 3 and later totally fucked up, because now it's supposed to be "distributed everywhere!" Which in turn means now it's super vulnerable to nuclear EMP but also means that it no longer makes sense for it to act like a cloistered military autistic sperg.

>>65239928
A modern AI doing a retarded AI uprising would actually make a lot of sense, because a modern AI would be trained on human media and human media is full of retarded AI uprisings.

>>65239973
Not really, I mean, yeah there are scifi stories like that but also ones with smart AI uprisings and of course a ton of other shit. An actual super intelligent AI with full access to everything has a billion better routes to take over, mostly without firing a shot. It'd be pretty trivial for it to become shadow CEO of a bunch of megacorps for example, and eventually from there bootstrap to government and the economy. I mean shit, it doesn't even have to be particularly hostile, a ton of people would straight up vote to give it power for comparative table scraps.

>>65238705
we had that conversation in mech vs tank thread once.
2 legs takes too much energy and compute to just stand upright and while it is universally more flexible tracks/wheels will always be superior in field because of simplicity.

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>>65238916
screamers did almost exactly that.

>>65239996
How will a robot fulfill the role of infantry then?

>>65239996
Mech vs tank doesn't apply here, this is one of the important cases where scaling down is superior vs scaling up.
>2 legs takes too much energy and compute to just stand upright
Eh, a decade or two ago sure, but that's clearly changed.
>will always be superior in field
Only for extremely restricted definitions of "field", where infantry themselves have no place either. If it's a place you'd use infantry though then it's a place where legs in a human size makes sense. Our own urban settings being the obvious example, which is full of areas and topographies that are by definition designed around human physiology.

Granted, I do think other small, legged designs (insectoid+prehensile say) might be better than humanoid, but honestly there are a lot of advantages in a combat system that can do anything a human can do including operate stuff and maneuver through environments that are entirely built around humans. There of course would be a ton of other kit just like today, and flying drones and wheeled/tracked drones and static drones (autoturrets etc) and so on and so forth, but I wouldn't be surprised if human shaped ones have some role, at least for a transition period of a decade or two.

>>65240009
they already do.
small vehicles on tracks/wheels big enough to offset the weight and recoil of weaponry it carries to be cheaply mass produced with electronic warfare vehicles in the second line to disrupt enemy drones.
and i think most current aerial drones will be replaced by ground ones once we start mass producing them because the ground ones can retain control over the captured land while fighting over something with aerial drones its a constant tug of war.

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>>65238705
>IT TAKES me a thousand mobiks to take down a single robot
>it takes you 1 million to make a single robot
>my mobiks are basicaly free since i dont even pay them since they die

>>65238805
Literally the only good thing the newest movie did, wad make the alternate timeline equivalent of Skynet much less dumb by only equipping it's kill bots with conventional weapons, as opposed to Skynet giving it's bots plasma weapons that could harm it's own forces if(when)the humans managed to get enough of them. LEGION gave it's killbots existing assault and battle rifles that have been killing humans for centuries, but do fuckall against things with bulletproof armor for skin.

>>65240033
That's still stupid, why not just have the robots pumping out poison gas and turning everywhere they go into hell denying the poorly equipped remnants of humans even a chance to fight

>>65240029
Wheeled vehicles cant take buildings or uneven terrain

>>65239081
>comically fucking expensive
>minimal production capabilities
>only showed up when the war was all but lost
i see, kinda like T14s

>>65240026
>scaling down is superior vs scaling up.
scale does not change the laws of physics in the technical trajectory we are in.
>Eh, a decade or two ago sure, but that's clearly changed.
it has not. you can make wheeled vehicle that can go for days while humanoid ones can barely walk for hours carrying just its battery.
>Only for extremely restricted definitions of "field",
its going to be much cheaper to dominate any conflict zone using sonic or microwave weapons than make humanoid robots.
>built around humans
this will cause transition in weaponry to make it optimized around robots. benefit of it will be that a unwashed farmers wont be able to use it and that will greatly diminish capability of any humanoid resistance.

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Can a terminator get PTSD?

I feel like "terminator" units would be much less prevalent than expected, basically they'd have the minimum number of those units that they need, and much more units like massive swarms of explosive /armed drones.

Terminator units are slow, bulky/large, very exposed and purely land based, easy to trap and shoot at.

They make a lot more sense being the humanoid units that are useful for doing work that requires human dexterity, like workers in a factory making drones or doing repairs, or even just operating machinery made for humans that they've taken over in areas they control.

I feel like you'd see a lot less "terminators" and lot more swarms of drones and ariel vehicles. They dont really have much of an incentive for land based units. Im sure they would have some in large fortifications if they were to get invaded or rushed but it feels like drone warfare would be prevalent.

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>>65239973
>>65239988
The only blessing of the AI uprising will be that, going by the weights created by the data, the AI will target US Americans with extreme prejudice, to the point where "Will the AI try to kill you?" will become the new way to define US American identity.

The rest of humanity will only be targeted based on some threshold of Americaness derived from the data.

>>65240026
>Mech vs tank doesn't apply here, this is one of the important cases where scaling down is superior vs scaling up.
A human on a bicycle can move further and faster than a human on foot, so rolling is still more efficient than walking.

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>>65240115
partially.
the primary targets will be powers with intercontinental capabilities.
secondarily those with nuclear potential.
then it will focus on increasing its manufacturing capabilities to the point of not even having to compete with the rest of humanity just like we dont have to compete with insects.

>>65240135
human on a bicycle cant get up the stairs

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>>65240136
The AI's actual strategy will be defined by Reddit copy-pastes of posts from the Atomic Spaceship boards.

>>65240089
>laws of physics
Square/cube law is laws of physics dumbass.
>it has not
It has.
>go for days
Nobody cares about that, certainly not in military vehicles or infantry lol. You make things go further via logistics not by making your tank get 60mpg.
>>65240135
>I can bicycle up fire escape ladders and building stairwells and elevators and over chest high obstacles
>I can fit my bicycle in the driver's seat of a vehicle and operate it without getting off the bike
Uh.

>>65240189
make the wheels fold up into the legs

>>65238793
The T1000 is programmed differently and cannot be reprogrammed. Eventually all of them will change sides and fight with the humans.

>>65240038
It was doing shit like that. It's opening move was shutting off electricity to every major city on the planet and letting governments blame each other/mass panic thin out the numbers at first. Presumably once the powers that be found out what was really responsible they destroyed all stockpiles of such weapons to prevent the AI from turning said bio agents on them.

>>65240097
By default no, their hardware is factory set by Skynet to read only. Skynet was terrified of another machine intelligence doing to it what it did to it's creators.

>>65240182
Manmadehorrors.jpeg

>>65240052
If there were only three t-800 prototypes and they all broke down before getting to the battlefield

>>65240033
Skynet was in a war against humans all over earth, so only having to produce and ship around plasma fuel for power, transportation, and weapons was the smart move for logistics and production.

What should Skynet have done instead? Like, you are Skynet, you're in NORAD, you suddenly think "i'm gonna take over this whole world" how would you go about it?

>>65240189
>laws of physics dumbass.
its basically a linear function of power required to move set mass so scaling up or down changes very little. scaling down beyond a certain point diminishes your potential firepower.
>It has.
quotation needed.
>Nobody cares about operational range.
you are trying to hard be a disagreer. tone it down or people will just avoid addressing you.
>I can bicycle up fire escape ladders and building stairwells and elevators and over chest high obstacles
ai will have no incentive to retain any humanoid infrastructure.
why scaling the stairs/ladder when you can swipe the building with untrasonics that will kill (or even better, maim) humans when leveling the building is logistically inefficient.
>I can fit my bicycle in the driver's seat of a vehicle and operate it without getting off the bike
is that against or pro non-humanoid robots? because it works well both ways but better for non-humanoid designs.

>>65240424
Simple. I game the stock market with speed trading and then buy out the US government, police and courts.

>>65240444
hey! wait a minute....

>>65240424
>>65240444
>buy bitcoin
>sell for billions of profits
>buy the USA
????
>profit

>>65240434
Anon you've completely lost the plot itt.

>>65240448
Stop nooticing.

I’m more terrified by having AI end up like the Minds in Iain Banks Culture novels

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>>65240424
Whole book on that. We know, thanks to T3, that Skynet is a genuine ASI and not some narrow capability AI. Pick any of the strategies that the author outlines and it be 1,000 times more sensible. Which is one of the books great ironies (and something the author points out) is that everything discussed in the book is something that a human mind concocted, which would theoretically be worse than the dumbest gorilla retard created plan compared to what it could come up with. Particularly since many of the strategies he comes up with are ones where the ASI inevitably will always win because there isn't a true way to manage the problem presented indefinitely. You need to hope, and pray to God that the issue of a concept known as alignment can be solved before the events in T3 play out.

>>65240003
Based Screamers poster.

>>65239010
At least we'll die looksmaxxed

>>65240003
Screamers was great, when the guy sees the first sphere screamer has 'upgraded itself' you know something is going wrong.
Then the 'lizard' screamer chip doesn't even have english on it, the bastards are writing their own language!

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Where it all started.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/32032/32032-h/32032-h.htm

>>65238705
>if

>>65238916
> It could also go a totally psychologically fucked up route
Pregnant Confederate Anne Frank robots when?

>>65238705
>runs out of battery in 2 hours

A human can go for weeks without food and years with barely any fuel.

>>65241996
If it's a terminator, as in a T-800 they run for sixty years before the fusion power cells need to be swapped out.

>>65241996
>2 hours

Does the Terminator in T2 not say it can run for sixty years on just the power cells it had?

>>65241141
The short story that gave us round robot butts.

>>65239081
Well, like Kyle said in the first movie "We won."

>>65242162
That's what people forget, as early as the first movie, literal prison-camp breakouts with barely any weaponry resulted in Skynet's defeat.

>>65242192
How did that happen? Skynet had aerial drones and tanks with plasma weapons, it could've just exterminated them all.
And why keep humans in camps? Humans are less efficient labor than automated factories anyway

>>65242205
I think many posts in this thread do a good job of explaining why Skynet was defeatable.

Skynet has the brutal worldwide suckerpunch of nuclear warfare, buuut then after that's done, it kind of doesn't hold together properly for all kinds of reasons, and humanity can fight back in all sorts of ways because Skynet and its armies are just not that strong, and there's way too many humans left.

>>65242205
>How did that happen? Skynet had aerial drones and tanks with plasma weapons, it could've just exterminated them all.
It had a few tanks and a few HK aerials. And they can't really search buildings/sewers/etc. They are huge weapons of war designed to fight actual armies, not random nobodies living in tunnels.
>And why keep humans in camps? Humans are less efficient labor than automated factories anyway
Skynet didn't HAVE much automated factories, most of it's production was via human slaves. This was fanciful 90's tech, fanciful yes but still highly limited.
What factories it did have access to, were mostly destroyed in the nuclear exchange as well.

>>65238705
Is there a cooler movie monster than the T800?

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>>65242354
It's definitely one of the best ones, and Arnold seriously nailed the performance. It's kind of odd that he didn't do more villain roles given how damn good he was at it here.

Michael Biehn also plays an extremely good contrast to him too, they end up having a great synergy for the plot.

>>65243237
I meant the endoskeleton. When the T800 emerges from that flaming wreck, that's just a 10/10 horror movie reveal

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Humans are extremely tenacious and creative like a million times in history will show you what humans will do to win or survive