I feel this way about the Peloponnesian War.
yeah? and is the peloponnesian war the war you really want to talk about?
>>65242573I just feel like democracy should have come out on top.
>>65242591Based democracy enjoyer.
>>65242591in the long run it kinda did, assuming we can pull our shit together here in the modern day
>>65242591It doesn't matter through which mechanism bad leadership climbs into power, it's still bad leadership.
>>65242591Democracy failed because the average retarded citizen voted for retarded demagogues who only cared about enriching themselves. You can see the same thing happening today with the west vs china
>>65242669Umm actually we live in a representative republic ;)
>>65242669Real Democracy(tm) has never been tried.
>>65242669No, it lost because it flip flopped (endless bickering aside), losing faith in a commanders and executing them after the first defeat. Romans knew that and suspended democracy during war times (dictator).
>>65242573The only thing he did wrong was lose the war.
>>65242564I feel the same about the American Revolution.
>>65242669>voted for retarded demagoguesSo, not democracy.
>>65244148Muat suck knowing that you got irreversibly assblasted by a basket of deplorables and that now you nation is a joke getting raped by muzzies who were imprted by jews.Also you have been ruled by Germans since before the Revolution.
>>65244146Hitler was probably impotent ya dingus
>>65244149Which begs the question: should the only prohibition in democracy be against anti-democratic elements?NTA btw
>>65244177Democracy should outlaw any decision making by individuals unless they have been voted to have discretion.Even then, gudelines for their decision procedure should be drafted and approved before the position is filled.
>>65244166And that makes him less based why?God made me love alcohol and pussy because otherwise I would be too powerful.
>>65244149>Vote for someone>get them in powerWow, truly undemocratic!
>>65242591>>65242598>>65242655>>65242669The Spartan political system was much closer to that of the US and other modern day "democracies" than the Athenian system
I just don't get the logic behind 50%+1 of the people forcing their desires on the 50%-1. Why do you feel morally superior about that?This doesn't make autocracies any better, though.
>>65244276You're thinking about populism which tells us that you fell asleep during your Civics class.
>>65244146oh my heckin adolf!!!!!!!>>65244276dog have you heard of a republic?also, firearms????
>>65242564The Kiriji War's ending disappointed me. A full century of buildup, starting with the defection of the king's brother, Afonja, to join the Islamic slaver hordes to avenge his lifelong dream of becoming the nation's field marshall, followed by the sacking of both imperial capitals and the breakup of the empire into warring city-states, each with their own government form and alliance network.These would go on to consolidate under the Ibadan stratocracy and within the sphere of the Ijeshan holdouts until a flashpoint (two simultaneous, unrelated instances of violence against Ibadan's envoys) initiated a 16-year civil war between East and West to bring all Yorubaland under a single banner and push out the foreign actors, with contributions from the Hausa-Fulani imperialists, Britain (acting through its proxy in Lagos), Brazil's emancipated slaves (providing up-to-date arms and ammo through southern manufacturers), and the haughty merchants of Ijebu, sheltered and fed by the war itself.The consequence of this war would be the fall of Sokoto to the north, the Ashanti Empire to the west, Benin and the Aro Confederacy to the Southeast, and even (indirectly) the fall of Samori Toure's modernizing empire in the northwest.
>>65244124Biggest defeat was because Alcibiades proposed the retarded Sicilian expedition just to score more political power and Nicias fucked up by doubling down expecting the retarded cattles to back down from the dumb ideaAnd the execution of their last decent admiral was also thanks to demagoguery pushing the cattles into voting for their slaughter
>>65245862Alcibiades was not even present in Sicily. Retarded Nicia wasted the advantage of the Anapus River battle by retreating from his positions during the winter.When the Athenian army arrived, Syracuse was totally unprepared. A direct strike, instead of dicking around to find more allies in every city giving time to Syracuse to fortify, would have won the day.The trial after the Battle of Arginusae and (surprise surprise) Nicia suing for peace, instead of pressing on in Thrace after Brasida's death are the proof that basing a non existential war on prolonged public support and generals killed at the first mistake is suicidal.BTW I am sure Aegospotami was an inside job.
>>65245963>Alcibiades was not even present in Sicily. It was literally proposed by him, pretty much all the worst defeats of Athens came from him>The trial after the Battle of Arginusae and (surprise surprise) Nicia suing for peace, instead of pressing on in Thrace after Brasida's death are the proof that basing a non existential war on prolonged public support and generals killed at the first mistake is suicidal.At that point the war was already lost because Sparta could rely on infinite Persian money to fuel their fleets
>>65244264you could definitely make a comparison to the US on the basis of how that system ossified over time but it was nothing like the democracy we have here in Australia
>>65244276the 50% + 1 thing only happens in a first past the post systemIf you had paid even a little attention in school you would be aware of all the different ways that doesn't happen
>>65244146>1921453 changed to 1921488lel
