I'd use it to build a modern air force. Since NATO gear is out, Iran is left with only Russian and Chinese options.First, they'd need support assets: China's KJ-500 AWACS and YY-20 tankers are the only realistic choices. For fighters, the J-10C and JF-17 are strong candidates, especially armed with PL-15 missiles. This poses a massive headache for the USAF and Israel; since Israeli F-15s still fly with older AIM-7s and regional USAF assets use older AIM-120s, the PL-15 gives Iran a major range advantage unless the US fast-tracks the AIM-260. To counter F-35s, Iran could also push for China's J-35 stealth fighter.The catch is that these are "short-legged" light-to-medium jets. YY-20 tankers are vital to extend their reach, but even with refueling, smaller jets can't easily cover Iran's vast territory, let alone strike Israel. For deep-strike payloads, they need heavy twin-engine fighters. Since Russia blocks China from exporting Sino-Flankers like the J-16, Iran must look to Moscow for the Su-35, Su-34, or Su-57. But with the Ukraine war dragging on, UAC must prioritize domestic needs, leaving Russian delivery timelines highly uncertain.To put this in perspective, $300 billion is roughly China’s entire yearly military budget. So I'm open to suggestions, maybe Iran should focus on the rebuilding their navy instead by buying modern frigates and submarines from China?
Implessive
>>65243807I'd pay for better shills
>>65243807Trump surrendered to Iran when the full horror of the USS Ford's 600 burning mattress's prison riot came out after JAG "investigation".This bitch is an Iranian, so she'd "steer" the investigation to favor Iranian regime.Connect the fucking dots.
>>65243807More mansions in Biarritz and St Tropez.
>>65243807how about rebuild the fucking country, make desalination plants, build more rails, more hospitals and schools? can a thought like that occur in your thirdie brain?
>>65243807probably rebuild
Eglin niggers have to defend this, lol
>Reddit says
>>65243993They won't do that never have before won't now.
>>65243807>I'd use it to build a modern air force.why? what would be the point when drones have already shifted the paradigm for nations that cant field massive air fleets?
>>65243807>lets build another airforce and navy so it can get one-shotted again on the first day of the next warI like the way SnruB thinks!
>>65244060Drones can't do DCA, nor prevent Israel or the US from bombing their civilian infraestructure if the war starts again. A modern airforce can
I'd go all in on drone and missiles and underground bunkerstrying to compete with the US and Israel on even turf when you're in Iran's position is dumb
>Modern air force>Buy chinese or russian
>>65244199They literally can since the US currently doesn't have an answer to the PL-15, other than straping a fucking SAM to their F-18's right now.
>>65244216We all saw the "leak."Your handlers are paying you too much rice.
>>65244215Just look at what happend to the Rafales during Operation Sindoor
>>65244199thisthey may have no navy, no airforce, no mollah, yet they still won so whatever they are doing they should continue
>>65244216do you think even if China exported the PL-15 to Iran, that missile would operate in a vacuum? A military is a whole ecosystem, and even if Iran got a better single system than the US (they won't), the US ecosystem would still btfo them. That's why they're better off doing the strategy they did in the latest war.
>>65244221>Poos shoot down poosYawn.
>let's buy ANOTHER navy and airforceI'd probably focus on the collapsing industries first ngl
Make 300 billion worth of Shahed drones and fire them at Israel
>>65244229They won how?Not every Jap or German was killed and we paid to rebuild them. Did they "win"?
>>65243807None of this matters if their pilots are shitheads that get BTFO immediately in the air or any sort of strike. I second the 300B of shasneed drones.
>>65244296they exert more control over the strait than they did before therefore you lost
>>65244296Japan and Germany were occupied and the government changed. You are coping.
>>65243807Clean water and toilet paper
>>65243924Now post casualties for each side.
>>65244332>Iran government literally majority assasinated.They didn't change? You think all the younger people thrust in to those positions think the same, or lrarned nothing?
>>65243807>retarded and angry thirdie continuing to dream about fantasy reality after losing everythingkek
>>65244017>e-eglineglin lives rent free in your head despite not existing on the board, unlike bad-faith invasive tourist niggers like yourself.
>>65244216>t-they don't have an answerthirdies crawl ever deeper into their alternate reality due to sheer contrarian seethe, god i'm glad i'm white and not brown like you.
>>65244381>God & White not capitalized.Suspect.
>>65243807Unironically donate to another MAGA candidate to run for president. Trump did more to damage the United States, NATO, and Israel's military reputation than the Ukraine invasion did to Russia. Even Russia didn’t surrender to Ukraine for at least a year.
>>65244366>kill the people you are negotiating with>have them replaced by IRGC radicals>2 more weeks until they start licking US boots o algoKek you are so clueless about how governments in non-globohomo countries work
>>65244366>learned nothingNTA, but frankly yes. You just have to conveniently forget that they were hours away from going back to the middle ages, and everything else just validates their theories about drone, missile and proxy warfare, fucking with the strait, regime endurance, and playing fuck-fuck games on the escalation ladder. It's very easy for them to be emboldened by it if they just ignore the costs, and that's a brown people specialty.
>>65244391>capitalizing colorsEither ESL or >75 yearseither way fuck off and die
>/pol/cuck general implodes>entire site flooded with browns seething about Iran's surrender>still have to mention UkraineFucking hell you guys are mad
>>65243807Ok let's take this serious, you're Iran, what are your priorities? 1. deter attacks by Israel or USA2. if 1. fails exercise control over the strait and defend yourself.So that means air defenses. I.e. missiles and radar. And I'd just buy european equipment that isn't export controlled by the US. There's no way the french won't take the money. Airplanes I don't even know, the one thing you'd want airborne as Iran is early warning aircraft and ideally 24/7 so you'd definitely want that but you'd also need to cover a huge country so you need a relatively long range option but also cheap enough to buy a bunch of. maybe a larger number of recon drones can also work? But in all seriousness if Iran blows the money on military spending it's not going to go over well. America and Israel blew up a shitload of infrastructure that needs to be repaired first. >>65244296>Germany: #3 economy in the world, ~65% debt-to-GDP, free healthcare, high trade surplus of anything from machine tools to high end weapon systems>USA: 30+ trillions in debt, eternally importing temu trinkets, middle class being liquidated like they're kulaks in imperial russiaIf this is what american victory looks like then an american defeat must look like the apocalypse.
>>65244412Absolutely not one of those people, but I would note the parallel. The defining feature of Trump's first year was that he was so eager to stop the Ukraine war that he was winding towards giving Russia encouragement to continue being a shitheel long-term. Iran has looked to me at least very much to be cut from the same cloth. I suppose we won't know for sure until we have the final wording, but if they actually sign and stick to it, then it was probably a really bad deal.
>>65243807Source on this mythical 300 billion?
>>65244446it's just an extension of a ceasefire that they're signing
>>65244463Yeah, the ceasefire to open the strait needs a ceasefire so that we can open the strait. Fuck all these clowns, artificial sun 2028.
>>65243807>300 billion from usyou idiot liberals read a bullshit dont bother fact checking and just run with it
>>65244412That explains it
>>65244528>seething ESL jeet cries out in impotence against the Aryan Ayatollah fleecing a demented retard in the shart of the deal.Sad! Don't forget to;>POO IN THE LOO>O>O>I>N>T>H>E>L>O>O
>Hi-lo mix of Su-35S and J-10CE (w/ a fuckton of PL-15 to keep the jew away)>J-35 (if Xi allows it)>KJ-500 AWACS>invest in those underground "cities" they store all their aircraft and reinforce the ones existing>TRIPLE THE INVESTMENT IN BALLISTIC MISSILE TECH>invest in that IR system that bonked an F-35 (albeit it didn't shot it down)>OTH radar system to sniff the jew from longer distances (more time to scrabled jets mentioned above)>Spy satellites to Spy on the jew and it's goyim(gulf states)Those are from the top of my head, but i'm sure there are more.
>>65243807Why isn't a drone perfect for homeland air defense? You operate over friendly netowrks. No elitist pilot class in the military.
>>65244374>>65244301>Americans are already coping with losing another war to goat fuckers./pol/ unironically calling this a MAGA victory.>>65244286Israel themselves are officially calling the Iran war a surrender by the United States.
>>65244579i somehow get the feeling that if the money goes through, they just close the strait anyways, and if it doesn't go through, they just keep going as is. israel can probably kick them into starting it again by intentionally fucking with iran to keep the US from actually making a separate peace in a couple of weekswhole things a shit sandwich we had no reason to bite into
>>65244628The POTUS is a dementia patient who's been compromised by an Israeli cunny pot operation. Please understand.
>>65243910You developed a lisp, moshe? Don't be scared yeled, you're now our second greatest ally after the great Aryan Nation of Iran
>>65244417>debt>to themselves That's not a big deal.
>>65244458Vance on tv
>>65244458The Gulf states have said that maybe they would spend $300B on Iran, if Iran is a good boy. That's it. That's what the shills are celebrating.
>>65244785So you hate him and think he is a retard, but as soon as he says something you want, you agree with him.Show vagene.
>>65244417>>Germany: #3 economy in the world,Its been stagnant or in recession for 6 years. >free healthcareNot free if you pay for it via taxes. >high trade surplus Yeah. Eurozone. That like bragging that a random US state has a "trade surplus" because of the goods it ships to another state.
>>65244816Are you the idiot trying to claim the Russian economy was still strong?
>>65244828No. I’m the one responding to the serf who, for whatever reason, saw fit to compare the German economy with an economy roughly 490% larger, which has grown about 14% over the past six/seven years compared to Germany’s basically flat 2%.
>>65244216lmao if you really believe this you literally have fallen for chink propaganda
>>65244398>people who you are negotiating with wont negotiate>kill them >people who you are negotiating with wont negotiate>also kill them >people who you are negotiating with now start negotiating >get a deal
>>652443611/2 population of Jews in Israel, and USA, are claiming "trauma", likely requiring years or even generations of therapy and disability payments, due to Trump's surrender.
>>65244849>due to Trump's surrenderbait
>>65244097>Drones can't do DCA, nor prevent Israel or the US from bombing their civilian infraestructure if the war starts again.Neither can any air force they could buy and certainly not if it is made up of Russian and Chinese junk.
>>65244849>Jews are liarsDuh
>>65244878
Man, redditors are really desperate to push this bullshit narrative. Even funnier when theyre saying this is because the midterms while simultaneously claiming that Trump is rigging the midterms
>>65244308You do realize the US could just kill everything that moves in Iran.But chooses not to.
>>65244815I have no political opinion about them, but this is just about the facts of the deal.
>>65244398>>65244400They are still retards with no capability besides random drone strikes.Their poppulace hates them.They suffer 1000:1 casualties.They cannot out last or out strike.Being a weak bitch allowed to survive is a win now?
>>65244878>1951>2023>people die when they are oldGood enough bait for a (you), I guess.
>>65244308What the fuck are you talking about retard they literally have to allow UAE ships to export their oil which completely undermines their energy dominance. Explain what the fuck youre talking about because thats straight up bullshit
Iran lost. Ukraine is winning. US recruitment numbers ae up. Well poisoning is face saving faggotry from defeated peoples.
>>65244910>Somehow, Almost half of the people exposed to the worst extermination program in history are still alive, after 72 years
>>65244915He wont answer you because it is bullshit. But redditors will keep making these threads over and over in the hopes it'll convince some other retard
>>65244458It's supposed to be part of a memorandum getting signed on friday as part of a cease-fire deal. I think it first showed-up in an Iranian state media source, but I haven't seen anything confirming other then bloomberg, and they don't cite dick. Couldd be bullshit, could be the administration understands how cucked it makes them look and are trying to keep it under wraps until the last second to stifle any lash-back. Regardless, I wouldn't count on it until it's getting signed at the table, because this shit is going to very unpopular among the hawks, and won't do anything to win back the doves.
>>65244216>"win" a war by managing to survive air-rape for a few months>suddenly think you're untouchable and the US is afraidThird world mindset in action
>>65244937Literally just read the articles. Every single one of them say that Iran *could* have access to 300 billion that will be paid out by The Arab Gulf Coalition and other private corporations. They all LITERALLY mention that no money will come from the US government. Redditors are straight up making up lies because they have TDS
>>65244948>>65244937I should also mention that the "corporations" wont be giving them cash, just an approximant amount of rebuilding.
>>65244937>>65244948I really don't care who pays for it. Iran getting reparations from anyone should be a non-starter. They are by far the most vulnerable and cornered party in this whole thing, and giving them reparations just to try and scrape together a midterm victory that's obviously never going to happen, well, it's just pathetic. It's a game of geopolitical chicken that they cannot win, and yet our side is going to pussy out first? Ridiculous. At this rate they're going to force hawks to vote for Dems.
Who says Iran will get money from US? OP's arse?
>>65244948Yeah what can you expect from some Pakistani bots? They're retards part of India and believe child molester sayings.
>>65244971it really shows how hard Trump fucked-up the geopolitics here that this is even on the table. Christ, just playing nice with the Euros and keeping them in the loop would have made all of this a non-issue. plenty of ships to provide support and do escort missions at the same time. Oil keeps flowing, Iran would have to back down after a week or two since their oil would be the only kind not getting out, and their proxy network would be that much weaker. Instead, we get this clusterfuck.
>>65243807Nuclear program, of course.
>>65244948its disgraceful that Iran is getting ANYTHING
>>65244983It also invalidates the ostensible reason for cutting aid to Ukraine, which was cost. Even if 0 dollars and 0 cents of the reparationbux come from the USA, we're still out more $$$ than we ever sent to Ukraine, even at the inflated values assigned to end-of-service-life equipment. It takes some real mental gymnastics to accept that justification now while also approving of the deal struck with Iran. I'm pretty fucking hawkish, so personally I'd rather see a president who would have bombed the living hell out of both Russia and Iran, yet instead somehow Trump has become the president who failed to deliver on either account, seemingly doing everything in his power to embolden America's enemies and distance us from our allies.
>>65244971>>65244992>Trump allowing contractors to get paid lots of money to rebuild power lines and bullshit (which has happened in every country since WW2) means US loses!What the fuck are you even talking about? In one breathe you faggots cry about civilians and now you want the country to remain desolated. You really just make anything up to cry about Trump.
>>65244995Trump just ended OOECs dominance which they have had since the 69s you stupid asshole
>>65244995truth. If you get 300 billion for being America's enemy, why the hell would anyone want to be our friend?
>>65244983>>65244995He's always been a pussy who picks hardest on those who don't fight back, and he's always been happier than anyone to spend other people's money.People will me a shill or a brown or a brown shill, but I'm a blue-eyed white and I've thought cery little of him since the 90s (when he was still a Democrat).This is bad for us, bad for our allies, and bad for our weapons (which deserved to be used!)This isn't even a peace, it's fucking capitulation.
>>65245003OPECs*
>>65245005>>65245006Oh I get it now. You're literal drones trying to push a bullshit narrative. You already know you're wrong, but that's not the point.Pretty pathetic.
>>65244992The truth is America could have easily stuck the landing and maintained the blockade until Iran caved. But Trump got cold feet at the thought of high gas prices at the midterms. So he basically granted the Iranians whatever they wanted to make the problem go away. Kind of amazing how much of a squish he is. Not that I'm mad about the Israelis feeling the heat for their own retardation, but Trump never fails to impress how little he cares for the hard parts of the job.
>>65245024I thought you cultists all said hes rigging the midterm though. Why would he care? Which one is it??
>>65245003>>65245000>61 seconds apartYeah buddy I'm sure US contractors are gonna make back the $1-2bil per day we spent on an Iran campaign that ended with Trump giving them everything they wanted like a huge pussy.>>65245006I felt like he was better in his first term, playing hardball with enemies and allies alike, but knowing when to stop before he could cause lasting damage to our alliances. Now he's playing softball with enemies but actively ruining decades of diplomatic gains with allies. And Vance is even worse, being a yes-man incarnate.
>>65245025Why is it so hard for you to understand that most of us are conservatives who are pissed the fuck off that the guy we voted for is doing a terrible job in office?
>>65245026>that ended with Trump giving them everything they wanted like a huge pussy.You cultists have yet to explain what this even means. Iran will be forced to allow oil exports from the UAE that undercuts OPEC, which *used* to make $500 billion annually but cant anymore. So how is this a victory for them?
>>65245031You pussies aren't fooling anyone. Literally every desperate thread you fools have made have just been full of people calling you out on your bullshit
>>65245026>I felt like he was better in his first term, playing hardball with enemies and allies alike, but knowing when to stop before he could cause lasting damage to our alliancesthat's because he was getting tard-wrangled hard by establishment republicans. As an attack dog, he's very useful to get what you want quick, but he absolutely doesn't have any ability to restrain himself, or understand when or who to apply this to. After he slipped the leash, he's just been getting into all sorts of fights that he can't win or get out of, and then cucking out of others that should've been cake-walks because he's embroiled in his own retardation.
>>65244948And the gulf states have *explicitly* denied agreeing, or even being aware, of this.
>>65244446That's a lot of words for "I know nothimg and have no details but I bet I can still be mad about this." Can you fart huffing doomers just rope already amd save us the trouble of anymore posts about how everything is bad, even things that are good, becuase of some midwit conspiracy and ego driven need for validation about being a joyless cunt?
>>65243807cant beat the US in conventional airwar, drones drones drones
>>65245031Post guns, redditard
>>65245070Got a source for that? Of course you don't, it's more bullshit you made up on the spot because Trump makes you cry
>>65245070Which must mean America is paying it because The Hormuz Letters and Iranian state officials said so. It couldn't possibly be twitter bullshit right? Not like Israel was asking for the MoU and getting denied when @EvropeRises420 clearly posted the details on his blue checked account. Who wouldn't trust an account based in India when they have a bust of Hadrian with glowing red eyes as a pfp?
>>65243807Unfuck the water situation. Water is life. Without it, all the money in the world doesn't matter.
>>65243807300 billion upvote from retard-dit doesn't mean money, stop dreaming.
>>65245089>>65245097The money is a *maybe* from the Gulf States, if Iran is a good boy. These are the facts, get over it.
>>65245051Counter-point: You lost. Breaking-point: Your girlfriend would have a boyfriend, if you had a girlfriend.
>>65244361I think you're supposed to win a war by achieving your war objectives. Rather than just kill a metric ton of people, vast majority of them being civilians. Not a single US war objective in this war has been achieved.
>>65245177>Not a single US war objective in this war has been achieved.
>>65245181Can we please see the achieved goals?
>>65245192>please take the bait Gaston, this bait is undercooked. Take it back.
>>65245177Browns aren't sending their best
Iranians aren`t getting shit, Trump is just tricking them to a false meeting to finish them off.
>>65245087I've done so twice in the past week yet still have yet to see you cultists do so even once lol
>>65243807The Iran war has mindbroken the bots on /k/
>>65245109With what water table?
>>65243807>If you were Iran, how would you spend the $300 billion you'll be getting from the US?id spend the $600 billion on $900 billion worth of nukes.
>>65244361>yeh i surrendered the fight but i took less hits during the fight so actually i woneven ziggers cope better than this
>>65245299>i took less hits during the fightNo, more like broke the other guy’s arms while barely taking a scratch and he just started hiding under a rock. Iran lost lol.
>>65243807Dunno about them but if I had 300 mil at least some of it would go to buying hot persian sloots
>>65243807Spend as much as needed to get back on track with nukes, missiles and drones. No amount of money is going to allow Iran to beat the IAF. Rebuild regional proxies and purge Israeli intelligence assets. Reward internal supporters and throw the rest into subsidies for Iranian civilians to solidify domestic power.
>>65244579Israel seething is a win all by itself.
>>65245306>Yeah we just burned all our allies, tanked the economy, and wasted decades of weapons stockpiles just to get a worse version of a treaty we broke for no reason and we're also paying them money to reopen the straight that was already open, but at least we bombed some schoolgirls!ISRAELI DETECTEDISRAELI DETECTED
>>65244286Without a nuke it's just a waste of drones. You niggers will screech about the jews but refuse to use nukes.
>>65243807once again Trump managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. when will the Republicans finally wise up and impeach this fucker so we can actually get things done?
>>65244528The source is JD Vance you fatnik faggot
>>65245346The republican party is a lamprey sucking at his teat. He's the only reason they have any political power at all. They aren't going to turn against him no matter how bad things get.
>>65245031Please I voted for him the first time around because I wanted Racist Caesar and he delivered nothing. I was outright surprised that this time around millions of shitskins are leaving the US, that would be worth anything if it was permanent. Trump's problems stem from him being a jew lover. If he was an honest to God white nationalist I'd be cheering as we burned every single bridge with every nation in the world. An all white America would have produced a trillion dollar budget surplus every year for the last 40 fucking years. And that's just discounting the 2 Trillion dollars that spics and negros cost this empire in entitlements every single year. and subtracting all their consumption from the economy in terms of taxable corporate income. I'm not counting the Trillion or more we lose in cost of incarceration, law enforcement, and the malinvestment that jews run DEI just being the lastest bugaboo addition. If this empire was 100% white we'd have no problems or enemies because nobody would dare breath a fucking word lest we send an million ton Orion drive space battleship to retrieve a suitable NEO and hang it over their head like the sword of Damocles. We could easily afford it. We could have a navy five times the current size. We could kill professional sports by not allowing incorporation and shunt all our fittest men into a million man army trained to the highest standards and paid 100k a year each. We could have a society of hate, strife, next to no regulations, seething with internal conflict and dissent and not give a single shit. Giving a shit is for lesser powers. I'm not mad at Trump for making our worthless "allies" pissy because they are as usless to me as the current political classes of the empire itself. I only care that Trump sucks up to Jews who are the primary political force acting in opposition of the shit I want. And if I got what I wanted we'd glass Iran into a radioactive pan of exposed bedrock right after Israel, just because.
>>65244888This is patently false
>>65244897You do realize that Iran could hit every major refinery and pipeline in the gulf, and close the Strait of Hormuz and the Strait of Aden simultaneously But chooses not to
>>65244915>allow UAE ships to export their oilSo, just like before the war, when the Strait was open
>>65243807Iran doesn't have a country-wide integrated air defense network, so building one should take a priority. Their pilots are already training on Su-35s in Russia, so logically they'll buy hundreds of R-77, Kh-31, Kh-38 to go along with that. People in charge of Iran now are much more open to close cooperation with Russia and China than the old guard killed by Americans, so expect a lot of contracts and deliveries all through 2027. They should have at least a year before the US/Israel will restock and inevitably come back to attack them again.
>>65244948>>65244957>>65244971Yeah you're definitely paying it lol
>>65245193Sorry, what goals?
>>65245382To be honest I don't think they hand enough munition to shut down all that shit even at the start of the war with completely uncontested airspace were every single gram of ordinance hits its intended target. I get they could "hit" every single target with a very small yield and so "some" damage to them. But that's not the same as disabling those assets.Shutting down the strait is easy because of how risk adverse the entire shipping industry and its insurers are. You can do that with any semi-credible threat. Trump also has neither congressional approval nor a declaration of war thus the resources he can actually deploy are meager by US standards. I know we've had to tell this to foreigners and those who don't love war but the US has metric and long fucktons of munitions in the stockpile which cannot legally be utilized without the approval of congress. They can only use the shit being cycled out of the reserves as new shit gets made or pilfer it from allied stockpiles which are not subject to the laws made after WW2 which stipulate minimal permissible reserves. When Americans bitch about not getting let off the leash it isn't a matter of pride like for ruskies its frustration due libtards and europoors constantly drawing the wrong lessons from military ventures and being smug about it.
>>65245306>broke the other guy’s armsYou did? And yet you withdrew and have avoided confrontation while negotiating for a ceasefire, which you're going to have to pay reparations for. Very interesting!
>>65245398Well, the American government disagrees with your assessment of Iranian capabilities and the consequences of continuing the war, so they're going to concede a bunch of shit to get out of it. Retards like you always think that every aimless war of choice should be fought to its fullest most genocidal extent. It's bizarre, there isn't even a notion of conquest or extraction of value for America or Americans, it's just vindictive antipathy. At least ziggers and jews are trying to steal land.
>>65245306In the eyes of most normies, mainstream media and people outside of the /k/ echo chamber, Iran has won and the US has lost. Many third worlders are celebrating despite the fact their countries are going to be shafted by the massive inflation and shortage of certain materials that is still coming in the second half of the year
>>65245398>Trump also has neither congressional approval nor a declaration of war So, like Obama who didn't bother asking for congressional approval to bomb Libya for 6 months.>thus the resources he can actually deploy are meager by US standardsThe resources he can actually deploy are meager because the US has burned through half of its Patriot interceptors, most of its THAAD interceptors, and more Tomahawks in one month than the US is able to build in a decade. If the US had an infinite supply of PGMs, and an infintine reserve of oil, then it wouldn't have to surrender to Iran.
>>65245396You wouldnt know them. They go to another school. In Canada
>>65245372>I voted for a pedophile with a spray tan because I'm a mediocre faggot Many such cases. Kill yourself at your earliest convenience.
Threads like these prove that ameritards and ziggers are the very same kind of people. No wonder trannyism is so prevalent in the US, they are MADE for mental gymnastics.
>>65245398>the actual US materiel hasn’t even arrived yet>we could easily win this war, we just chose not to>the eyebrow is raisingvatnikification speedrun any%
>>65243915you sound angry? arent you happy your tax money are going to Iran? you voted for this after all.
>>65245372congrats, you played yourself
>>65245361>the source is a headline I saw on X for an article I didn't read because I NEEEEED the US to lose please God just this once!Lmao stay mad faggot
>>65245485>>65245639Was there a better option for a white nationalist leader?Clinton? Harris?
>>65245398You're completely wrong on Iran not being able to take out the infrastructure. And don't take this as an endorsement of Iranian power or capability. You have to understand that these things are extremely fickle. For example Qatar has exactly 2 helium trains in Ras Laffan. Destroying just part of both of those trains means global helium supply dips by 30%. And then you remember that helium is super inert and the rest of the facilities produce combustible or flammable products.
>>65245670>empty corporatist suits, and women to bootTrump 1 was at least not wholly retarded. Trump 2 is a fucking disaster, to the point I’d take the negress
>>65243807Hopefully Israel throw a few missiles in to Lebanon or at Iran, sending Iran in to a muzzie meltdown that nixes the peace deal and reignites the war. We can only hope.
>>65245697we as in the jewish community?
>>65245699Just those of us who dislike uppity Muslim countries. I think the Jews are mixed in their opinion, Western Jews are probably against the war, but actual Israelis are generally in favour of it.
>>65243807useless, that would only mean the next air campaign has to be a few weeks longer. ultimately it would still end in total destruction of the iranian air force.>>65244060>drones have already shifted the paradigm for nations that cant field massive air fleets?drones need precision guidance and iran lacks that since they dont have access to starlink. a simple gps jammer and a shaheed will be hundreds of meters off course. the iranian missiles have the same problem. drones and missiles arguably didnt work for iran either. they couldnt eliminate the american and israeli air bases with their drones and missiles and so they lost the air battle.
>>65245673As a logistics-guy with a portfolio mainly in shipping, i find the whole "straigth is now open, sail my niggaz"-approach to be really funny. Even if we look beyond the massive changes in trade-routes that will need to be re-established and the infrastructure damage, just the amount of fouling and wear on the ships stuck at anchor will be something that impacts VLCC-rates and availability for a long time. And thats not counting all the different entityes fighting over who gets which loads while trying to reestablish volumes drawn down over the last months.
>>65245670Trump is not a nationalist, I'm 100% sure they put something in your food there to make you dumber
>>65245704so we the jews, got it
>>65245729You can shadow box if you want, as far as I'm concerned Israel and Iran being deleted from the map would be a good thing for everyone.
Reminder that the shills aren't here to give you a solution, they just want to demoralize you. Its why they only want to talk about 1-2 things and then fuck off.
>>65245736There is no solution for euros, because the tolls will be imposed on their gas (once the US signs the nuclear deal and leaves) with no feasible euro response, the UK is defenseless in the english channel, much less Hormuz. Either euros pay the Iranians a toll for gas, or they pay the inflated market price to the US who supply most of their gas. It's basically free money for US companies when the gas price goes up without actually increasing domestic production cost, which can then be taxed and used to pay the average US citizen an energy rebate (buys you midterms to hand out free money). Euros just will be paying a higher price on everything with no recourse except presumably shifting to a war economy to fight Russia.
>>65245748Lmfao. Europeans will be unaffected by this shit because we have alternatives. The only one who gets hurt is america
>>65245758Is the alternative to open the strait of hormuz militarily? Because we have seen that the time and opportunity to pivot to other, cheaper gas sources, if available, would have been after the closure of Hormuz. But they didn't and paid higher gas prices. A toll will be put on the gas that comes out of Hormuz, this tax from Iran will be passed onto the consumer, with all of saudi oil now permanently more expensive per barrel, which we have seen will shift the global reference price of oil to be higher (depending on how big the tax/toll will be). Europe doesn't supply its own gas, is cut off from the Russians, and gets most of its supply from the US, which will sell it to them at the new higher global price (because why would you not take free profit), and produce it domestically in the US at the same price as before, just selling it to you at a higher cost. The US collects tax on the new higher revenue, which it will use to buy voter loyalty (if they're smart) with an energy rebate.
>>65245771Europe only gets a minimal amount of gas through the SoH, its mostly pipelines from Norway or LNG from the US, with a bit from Africa now that imports from Russia is being stopped.Same goes for oil, in which only 10-15% comes from gulf states, rest is Norway, US, Libya and other funny places. Oil import from SA, Iraq etc to Europe is just a bit more than what they deliver to the US
>>65244693Even if we play the game where it's only 10 trillion in *foreign held* debt it is combined with a eternal trade deficit which directly translates into money flowing out of the US. The only way for that money to flow back into the US is foreign purchases of treasuries. This ultimately creates demand for USD, meaning the USD is traded at a higher value to other currencies. i.e. instead of 0.70 USD per EUR, the USD trades at 0.80 per EUR.This means any american product is always more expensive abroad. So you've created a system for yourself where, to an american company buying american is always more expensive than buying foreign made. And we see the results with Boeing market share or the decline of US commercial shipbuilding. This means well-paying jobs go abroad and domestic manufacturing ability atrophies and institutional knowledge is lost forever. Meanwhile Japan and Germany are the exact opposite: sound industrial base full of high-tech SMEs, highly qualified work force and able to outcompete the US on every level. And as soon as Ukraine/Iran is over they can again leverage that with lower energy costs which admittedly is an advantage in the US at the moment.
>>65245361the source is actually jd vance that said the GULF COUNTRIES will pay for it but hey i get that liberals hate truth
>>65245805Do we still have any other source than a twitter screenshot or reddit links?
>>65244944>kill a bunch of school girls and do literally nothing to hurt Iran's military that is all underground beneath a mountain, meanwhile your country runs out of oilthis means we won!
>>65245792that US LNG is not bought because they want it. They'd love to have zero US LNG imports. But I do think this is overblown because euros started the whole green, renewable, no plastic straws thing long before it arrived in the US. High gas prices are what the europeans want because limiting economic activity is a good thing(tm) because it limits emissions. They're even going all in on carbon taxing private heating and fuel beginning with 2027, so todays gas prices in europe will be nostalgic come January 1st. Same with the australians who shut down their own refining capacities or even california who is in the same boat.>>65245707I don't even want to think about what those ships look like underneath after having spent so long in such warm waters. Not to mention what the ballast tanks look like.
>>65245815It's incredible how thirdies like (You) can memory-hole things as large as the wholesale destruction of a nation's navy and air force
>>65243807I'd build a semiconductor & polymer industry so we can detach from China.
>>65245815If Iran cared so much about Iranian civilians they probably shouldn't have gunned down thousands.
>>65245818>I don't even want to think about what those ships look like underneath after having spent so long in such warm waters. Not to mention what the ballast tanks look like.Or the intakes...Lets just say that i think a lot of shipyards will be pretty backed up the next couple of years, and that VLCC-rates will remain high. Not 400k-high, but easily above 200k
>>65245792US is the majority supplier of LNG to europe. Gas prices go up as hormuz toll takes effect. You have to pay these increased gas prices to the US, despite it not costing the US any more to produce, simply because of the raised global price. This is okay for the US because it takes in new net profit highs from selling at a higher price, once again presumably it uses this money to pay off voters.
>>65245820My guy I don't know how to break this to you, but bombs cost money. So you bombing things isn't actually getting you anything by itself. It costs you money. It's a net loss by default. And when you win, after having incurred this loss, you're supposed to capitalize on said win. You're supposed to have a better post-war order than the pre-war order. If US military actions aren't producing a compliant stable Iranian posture then you haven't actually achieved any strategic objectives.
>>65245834if it's the proposed tax of 2mil, that would be less than a 1% price increasethe added travel time to get US LNG to the Asian markets would eat any arbitrage that less than 1% would createso the Europeans could maintain the price. the US exports can't export that volume without offer larger discounts due to the increased transport costs
>>65245844Iran was on its last legs and ready to collapse until the U.S. came along and gave it a life-line in the form of the Iran Deal: $300 billion
>>65245853Use the position as majority supplier to pass shipping prices onto the Europeans, adding to net profit. They can't shift their supply (due to sheer volume) off the US, especially while being adversarial with Russia, so they pay whatever price is set to profit the US. First island chain especially is held hostage because what the fuck are they gonna do, go back to Hormuz gas which will be cut off when China invades Taiwan and they try to do anything about it? Not likely.
>>65245844If only there was a regime change like Donnie planned for, a lot of things would have been different going forward
>>65245844...am I reading this right? Did you genuinely just try to say that Iran losing its entire navy and air force is actually a win for Iran because bombs cost money?
>>65245853>>65245860Also Iranian tax will be likely scaling to volume and BRICS favoritism, it's within their interest to maximize the fees imposed for maximal profit, raising the prices and simultaneously benefiting the US who won't stand in the way. Europe's only shot would have been if they actually committed to building a military worth a dam (haha) that could blockade Iran similarly to the US to get them to not toll the strait.
>>65245306the winner doesnt pay the loserthe winner doesnt accept the losers demandsthe winner doesnt care about the losers terms and conditions for the end of the warand yet america has done all of these things and more.which means they arent the winner.
>>65245858Which means, in the best case scenario the US snatched defeat from the grasp of victory.>>65245865sure, would've could've should've all day. But unless things start up again and it does happen it's still worse than the status quo ante. >>65245869No anon, I'm saying you wasted a bunch of money and got nothing in return. You only achieved military degradation. You didn't get a compliant Iran out of it. If you had WON, the iranians would be shipping you pallets of gold and forcing their clerics to dig out their buried uranium in a chernobyl style operation and Donald Trump would become the saffron kingpin on persia.
>>65245870>BRICSnigger nobody gives a shit about BRICS, least of all the nations ostensibly part of it, lmaoIt does remind me though, if this happens, there's nothing stopping malaysia and/or singapore from jewing the shit out of every single barrel of iranian oil being sent to china
>>65245886So yes, you were in fact arguing that because bombs cost money, Iran won, and the total loss of all major military assets is actually irrelevant. It's a level of cope I didn't even think possible, honestly. It's like saying the US lost against Japan in WW2 because of how expensive the Manhattan Project was
>>65245163>Got a source? >No...So redditors are basically making up shit in their heads and expecting me to get mad over it. Fucking retards
>>65245872The USA isn't paying Iran anything. This is from your own Reuters articles that you cultists have been trying to use. >No government money
>>65245889>total loss of all major military assetshuh?according to US military intelligence sources Iran has about 70% of the drones and missiles it started with still operational and is building moretheir stockpile of naval mines, UUVs, USVs and shore-to-ship missiles is untouchednone, count 'em, zero of their minisubmarines have been sunkthey still have it where it counts
>>65245860>I don't know how this works but let me tell you how things will play outannon, LNG isn't delivered by the seller, it's picked up by the buyer or by an intermediary traderfor the US to attract Asian buyers it would have to offer discounts to make up for their higher transport coston the other hand the US sellers raise price for European buyer to mimic shipping costs to Asiaa) because transport isn't a cost for the sellerb) Europe is their one big buyerc) Europe can buy more ME LNGthe net result would be prices of ME LNG going upbut those Asian buyers still wouldn't switch to US sellers unless the price increase for ME LNG gets high enough to compensate for their transport cost any increase in US LNG simply drives that point higheryou'd get US sellers matching the price increase of ME LNG and in turn getting less and less volumeeven at increased prices the drop in volume would means less net profits for the sellers plus a market that's now got a grudge against them for trying to make them pay for someone else's transport
>>65245858>.S. came along and gave it a life-line in the form of the Iran Deal: $300 billionSource? Oh that's right, you don't have one. You're a crying little child throwing a tantrum, plugging your ears and screaming about things that aren't happening
>>65245888Iran does, you monkey, because it is part of BRICS and China is too, while also buying 90% of their oil, so China says, Iran does. Particularly if China says "take more money from these western lapdogs!" Iran says "yes sir General Chang!" What stops the Malaysia/Singapore scenario is China needs that oil and has a similar airforce and naval force to the US, while those places lack deep undermountain bases to hide their government leaders in. Also their navy, if they have any, wouldn't be able to breach a Chinese blockade on whatever critical resource they decide to stop them from having.
>>65245889No it's like saying Japan won WW2 because they bombed boats at pearl harbor. Or saying the US won Vietnam because it stacked VC bodybags. Fundamentally you are not grasping the concept that whatever effort you expend in war should pay for itself. Whether that is in direct monetary terms of reparations, breaking your opponents political will to become compliant to your demands, conquering their territory. Whatever the case may be you're supposed to have actually GAINED SOMETHING from waging war.
The brown shills are more delusional about this 300 billion than the Half Life fanbase is about HL3
>>65245898So there isnt a deal to provide Iran with 300 billion in investment and infrastructure?
>>65245870Europe's shot us to simply not piss of Iran and to butter them up diplomaticallykeep in mind that Iran's end goal is still to isolate Israel and Europe would be vital to achieving thatif Europe for some reason where to want to impose a blockade, they already have the means to do soand the ones getting fucked over by them doing so would be the Gulf states they'd alse be taking hostage, the US who's treaty would be in tatters and the Asians who actually need the energy from the Gulf
>>65244995Trump is a bully who can’t fight anyone who can put up a decent fight. It’s why his attitude towards Ukraine is pure stupidity. Ukraine is clearly much stronger than his dullard mind thinks it is. More and more Russia reveals itself to be the weaker power.
>>65245896>we didn't need those planes>we didn't need those shipsapproaching, or perhaps even exceeding, zigger tiers of cope>>65245902Yeah bud I'm sure that a singaporean toll would be the thing that finally incurs a chinese military campaign. the same china that got scared of losing face when their civilian vessels were getting blasted by houthis and they had naval forces right there capable of intercepting, and even then pussied out. definitely gonna go full asian tiger gloves off implessive over a copycat ploy
pol told me that paying 300B and replacing their leader with even more radical dude is a win
The /k/ope is real.
>>65245897>it would have to do xyz for hypothetical asian buyers It doesn't have to do shit, 90% of Japanese oil goes through Hormuz, Iran demonstrated it can close Hormuz, China owns Iran, when China goes to war with westoids over Taiwan and Japan supports Taiwan with US naval forces, China tells Iran to close the Strait to them, fucking them out of oil. Unless they get the wakeup call the Iran war was, and switch to US gas which they are. You buy US or Australian (lmao) now because that is your one non-suicidal option because you are not putting your economic lifeline in the hands of your enemy while simultaneously going to war with them. Unless you're a dummy who likes being caught with his pants down
>>65245915No
>>65245918>>we didn't need those planes>>we didn't need those shipsCorrect. In a defensive war all Iran needs is AD and a massive supply of drones and cruise missiles. Just like Ukraine.
>>65245926Ukraine doesnt need to worry about blockades
>>65245924>because you are not putting your economic lifeline in the hands of your enemyThat's exactly what they would achieve by buying from the US though
>>65245011Trump is a coward. He can’t defend Ukraine from Russia, can’t defend Taiwan from the CCP, and he can’t defend the Gulf States & Israel from Iran. And by showing such weakness, he emboldens our adversaries.
>>65245924>we will get the Asians to buy our LNG buy passing the cost on to the Europeans>ha the Asians are already buying our LNG without us passing the cost on to the Europeansyou've just played yourself
>>65245926You are genuinely the most retarded and deluded third worlder I have seen since this whole thing kicked off, holy fuck
>>65245033Forced how? Iran knows Trump is afraid to fight now.
>>65243807More missiles and drones and bunkers and shit, to hold up the Hormuz again in case a retard in the White House does some shit. Then you do the same you did this time and you get another 300 billion. And some good AA
>>65245930Ukraine can't hold the global economy hostage from it's back yard
>>65245938>You are genuinely the most retarded and deluded third worlder I have seen since this whole thing kicked off, holy fuck
>>65245306Lost how? We look like incompetent cowards who can’t finish off a weaker foe.
>>65245943So you have convinced yourself that not only does the annihilation of the Iranian navy and air force not matter, but also that anyone pointing out that it obviously does matter must be a jewish shill. Impressive levels of thirdie cope, rare to find it so pure and in such high volume
>>65245931Japan disagrees because it relies on the US for its defense from China due to its lackluster birthrate. That's why Japan purchased the US armed forces for protection by way of owning the majority of its debt, if the US economy wants to stay afloat it comes to protect its debtholder, who in exchange is bound to the US irrevocably. They can choose China or the US as their overlord, but not themselves because they won't birth enough children to either fight or survive as a nation if they fought their own war.>>65245937I think you got mixed up somewhere
>>65245507Well it does explain why Trumpists not only emulate the Vatniks but also repeat the same epic fails. Trumpists are American Vatniks.
>>65245945Nigger, I'm of the opinion that this is a total fucking disaster and that Trump has irreparably harmed the image of the US.And yet even I find your comment so fucking stupid that it's obvious that you're a third worlder larping as an American
>>65245945You are Israeli and wanted a war to destroy the nation so you could take Lebanon. If you want to take responsibility for the forever war that would ensue from striking the infrastructure necessary to "finish off" the country, you do that. But the US was here about uranium, it will get its uranium and leave, then it's up to you
>>65245951ntahow did Iran losing it's airforce and navy matter?they still got to survive the attempted regime change, got the US to sit down to talks with them and then got the US to make connections
>>65244884Doesn't it make sense to have the actual death camps in the east and- Outside Germany proper to keep it out of the population's notice- Closer to all those subhuman Slavic POWs to be dealt with
>>65245951You sound like a zigger ranting about having destroyed all of Ukraine's military in the first 24 hours then being unable to explain why you are stuck in the Donbas after 5 yearsYou lost to Hezbollah lol
>>65245951The point is, the loss of their navy and Air Force is irrelevant. They have cheap drones and that really is all they need. We’ve shown we’re too gutless to launch a land invasion.
>>65245958>epic failsI hate that I can instantly tell you're south asian just from these two words used in a non-ironic context
>a squabbling match between two brownseww
>>65245952I was responding to >>65245860 who claimed that "Use the position as majority supplier to pass shipping prices (to Asia) onto the Europeans, adding to net profit"you claiming that Asia IA already shifting to US LNG before any supposed shifting of transport costs negates the claim that was being made
“We live in a world governed by strength, governed by force, governed by force. Those are the iron laws of the world.” -Stephen MillerThen how the fuck did we lose, you absolute moron?! Explain your failure!
>>65243807So Iran die actually win or what havent really been following this
>>65245975I'm >>65245860 and my point was not passing shipping prices to asia onto the europeans, that just was not what i meant
>>65245970You don’t think Trumpists are Vatnik cosplayers? They’re trying so hard to be like the Putinists, they copied the stupidity.
>>65245981then why did you write that?
>question gets raised on what the US actually gained from the Iran war>shutitdown.jpg>all sorts of nonsense repliesYup, time to abandon this thread,
>>65245961>>65245967>>65245969Iran is a nation with severe problems both with its neighbors and domestically. The navy and air force specifically were intended to project power against those neighbors. That capability is now lost, permanently. Afghanistan in particular will not give a flying fuck about a handful of drone bombings. There is now nothing to deter them from resuming the water conflicts from a year or two ago. On the other side of the aisle, you have a whole bunch of Sunni muslim states that already hated Iran and now just got their civilian centers bombed for shits and giggles. These nations will rapidly acquire counter-drone and anti-air systems, and while those aren't perfect, they're going to do a hell of a lot. Iran no longer has any alternatives. They have one and only one mechanism of attack on their numerous regional enemies, which can be countered without much trouble.This problem compounds the domestic problems, which temporarily paused thanks to the presence of an outside aggressor (which also legitimized purges and various human rights violations) but will now be a huge fucking problem for an Iranian government that lost the Ayatollah and most senior leadership, lost most of its real military equipment, lost a very large amount of its domestic economic base, and which already came very close to civil war in January of this year.In short, the loss of the Iranian navy and air force is a very big deal and you genuinely have to be a seething thirdie not to realize this.
>>65245985>what US actually gainsWas already stated, money from raised gas prices
>>65245988so losing their navy and airforce means they can't project power over it's neighborhood. despite having just projected it's power over said neighborhood without their navy or airforce>but they will aquire xand in the time it takes them to do that the Iran can replace their loses
>>65245988>The navy and air force specifically were intended to project power against those neighbors. That capability is now lost, permanently.You're stuck in 1980 lol. Drone spam has shown that it can obliterate the Gulf countries' economies in a much more efficient way than rusting Tomcats and mutilated container ships.
>>65245988Don't bother. Thirdies think drones are the new hyper-wunderwaffen that make all other miltech obsolete. Drones are their magical solution to all military problems.
>>65245990>raised gas prices>that it's also been paying>and that's going down
>>65245988So wait a minute, you’re telling me that Iran is absolutely riddled with problems but we STILL end up giving it 300 BILLION dollars?! This is not the own you think it is. That’s like throwing Godzilla against 100 screaming babies and the babies WON!Are we chickenshit or just incompetent?
>>65245998you are so right my firsty brotherdrones are shit and can't do anything
>>65245998So why couldn't the US restore traffic through Hormuz after destroying Iran's air force and navy?
>>65245990High gas prices are not great for the rank and file here, genius.
>>65246007Seconded!!!! We’re so stronk we can’t squash the geopolitical equivalent of a bug?! The hell sense does that make?
>>65245993>so losing their navy and airforce means they can't project power over it's neighborhood.Uh, yeah, no shit? Every nation in the region has an air force except Iran. Even the fucking Taliban have more air assets.>despite having just projected it's power over said neighborhood without their navy or airforce I like how you sidestep the crux of the matter (that this can and will be countered, and once it is, Iran has ZERO alternatives) and instead just rehash the same thing>and in the time it takes them to do that the Iran can replace their losesNo, my lil ESL goblin, Iran cannot replace its air and naval assets in the time it will take Gulf states to buy some C-UAS systems. It actually cannot replace its air assets at all, for that matter.
>>65246013this is some really rough english to be using "we", kek
>>65245733cool, but none f these happened and the US ate even more shit you and your dumbass compatriots are going to foot the bill for
>>65245999Well it's a win-win, either miraculously Iran decides not to toll Hormuz after the US leaves and oil and gas stays cheap, or they don't do that and the US collects more money in tax, which hopefully it uses for good (votes in the midterms)>>65246009But what if we could take this money we raise from tax on this new higher revenue, and distribute it in a way that makes people happy enough to vote for us? Can't we make up some sort of government cheque like when we gave everyone a billion dollars during COVID?
>>65246019>that this can and will be counteredUh-huh
>>65246028Holy ESL.
>>65246019>where ever I go I must BBC chud post>Every nation in the region has an air force except Iranand that is an issue they can't overcome how?they have managed to for a lack of a better term "outlive" the US's and Israeli airforcesbut now the arabs and Allah forbid the fucking Taliban are going to break them>Iran has ZERO alternativeswhen I'm fucking your mother I don't need alternatives to get laidjust a clothespin for my nose and a mask for my eyes>lil ESL goblinlol, lmao getting desperate are we>Iran cannot replace its air and naval assets in the time it will take Gulf states to buy some C-UAS systemsall it would need to do is ramp up it's drone/missile production faster that the Gulf states can aquire countermeasurethere's also the supposed US withdrawal, that would mean at least a part of the Gulf states coverage gonethe Gulf states have already shown they will back down if given a bloody nose>It actually cannot replace its air assets at all, for that matter.just buy from the chinks
>>65246033>Every pro-Iran post is obviously ESL>Including the ones claiming to be AmericansIt really makes you thinkIt's one thing to be critical of a clusterfuck, but thirdies can't recognize that the US bungling the war isn't the same as Iran winning it. Hence these ridiculous posts that are completely detached from reality. I suppose nuance is a bit too much for them.
>>65245925Then whats >>65245894 talking about?
>>65245930Not now that they've bullied the russian navy out of the black sea
>>65246029>But what if we could take this money we raise from tax on this new higher revenue, and distribute it in a way that makes people happy enough to vote for us? Can't we make up some sort of government cheque like when we gave everyone a billion dollars during COVID?I mean, you could. Just put it in line behind the DOGE-check, the tariff check, the Jan6 slush fund check...
>>65246051my man you really took the "we didn't need that X" meme and turned it into your whole mental gymnastics mindset kek
>>65243807Honestly the biggest takeaway is that the IRAF and IRN are light-years away from standing on equal footing to the US. While the US failed in many ways, decimating the navy and air force was not one of them and both services were efficiently banished to the cuck chair for this whole conflict. If anything they should double down on missiles, drones, and air defense systems as those proved way more effective and meshes far better with the mosaic doctrine they developed. On that note, that may be the one good idea they had in a while, given that they quickly recognized any central leadership would be sent to the darkest pits of Tartarus. Honestly it makes killing Solemani seem like a bad idea in hindsight
>>65246029>more money from the taxas I've already pointed out the proposed tax is less than a 1% price increasethat this is an extra cost for the buyer but that going to buy US LNG for the bulk of those buyers would cost even more
>>65246033yes i know more than one languagehow does that change the facts in my post?
>>65246052what did the US won? what did you win?
>>65246077The straights are open. Flawless victory
>>65246068The problem is that missiles and drones can't make up a nation's entire military. Trump is allergic to actual commital so won't do a ground invasion, but the same can't be said for all the nations around Iran. They don't really have anything that could resist such an invasion force right now. The entire narrative here revolves around everyone just letting Iran do whatever they want and never exploiting the weaknesses that have emerged, which is an obviously retarded take for anyone who's capable of independent thought.
>>65246081they were open beforewhat did you win?
>>65246085Not sure, but this is just one more peace agreement closer to a Nobel prize
>>65245988the iranian navy consisted of:>7 frigates>5 submarines>3 corvettes>1 meme drone carrier thing>~10 patrol boats>~25 FACsFirst of all of these are ancient. Like Kilo-class submarines or corvettes having been build in Texas in 1962.. The only even remotely credible threat could've been their FACs with their C-802s. Drone ship could've maybe done something, but then again they're all mostly stuck in the bath tub of the persian gulf so they can't exactly run and hide with predictable consequence. TL;DR: Saudis could've wiped this Navy out with their Al Riyadhs and La Fayettes alone.Air force:>~60 F-4s>~30 F-5s>~25 F-14s>~24 Mig-29s>~20 SU-24s>maybe a few Su-35SE?Ignoring the obvious caveat that the first three may be in a questionable state of airworthiness due to a lack of spare parts and depending how ready/numerous the Su-35s are the newest thing on this list are the Migs with upgrades from the 1990s. Still better than their navy.But one look across the gulf and we're looking at hundreds of F-15s in Saudi alone, 70 Eurofighters and Tornados respectively, 90 F-16s or so in the UAE and a respectable mix of F-16s, F-15s, Eurofighters and Rafales or F-18s in the rest of the GCC. Iran is easily outnumbered by more than a 1000 combat aircraft from this millenium.The argument that Iran posed a credible threat to these countries is laughable. As proven by skittish maritime shipping companies and Iranian drone attacks against said shipping, the iranian "counter" of threatening the strait and oil infrastructure remains the primary way for Iran to exert military pressure on the region and they still retain that capability today.
>>65243807Nukes and more long range ballistic missiles.
>>65246084>They don't really have anything that could resist such an invasion force right now.they have conventional ground forcesalso who would be invading them?the Turks share a mutual rival in Israel.Iraq would devolve into civil war before they cross the border.the Gulf states don't have the mass and haven't managed to beat those jemeny drug chewers in over a decade of "war"Pakistan doesn't have any issues with them and they're afraid they'd get poo rushed if they did invade.the Taliban, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>65246076>>65246077>>65246081>>65246085Your ESL status reflects your lack of education and critical thinking capability. You'll just blindly repeat whatever Twitter told you to repeat, and when you encounter actual opposition to those beliefs, you start getting delusional instead of facing reality. This is a general trend among you ESLs, but really it's only from particular countries, mostly third world. Euros are mostly ESL too but guess what, they're able to have a normal, rational conversation, so they don't get constantly made fun of like you. When we mock you for being ESL, we're mocking you for being an uneducated illiterate dumbfuck from some backwater country. Does that make you mad? Good, go back to your containment board.
>>65243807Why the fuck would Iran bother with dropping hundreds of billions on an air force when it'll get wrecked by the US within weeks?The smartest thing they can do is completely forget having an air force or conventional navy and focus on drones and BMs.The one thing they seem to be missing that they should get is a self propelled bottom mine that can be launched from the shore, preferably from a beach launch trailer.
>>65246098>all that text>still cant tell people what they got out of the warI really do feel for you and your fellow cultists, it was fun at first but now its honestly becoming rather sad
>>65246098>words words words ESL, words words ESLso your main argument is how superior you are by knowing only one language and have the gull to call others uneducated...what did you personally won btw?
>>65246098I wouldn't hold mindless repetition of social media posts over the heads of thurdies right now considering how the US stronk talk is just Trump's truths from truth what ever he called it
>>65246097This is what I'm talking about. None of these are actual rational analyses of the region's geopolitics. The claims range from being plausible but incorrect, to being so completely delusional that they are absurd. Yet you actually believe them.It is absolutely grating to talk to someone like you, because we have to treat you like a child, dumbing things down and explaining every minute detail that a westerner can just implicitly understand. And then after we dumb it down, your mindset prevents you from thinking critically about anything, so it was a waste of time to begin with. That is why you are so endlessly mocked: because you don't deserve anything more.
>>65243807They should buy 6 millions shaheds and use those to destroy Israel
>>65246108that's a lot of mental gymnastics for a obese person, nglwhat did the US won from the war? and you?
>>65246103Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of this war. I just want you street shitters out even more than the cultists.>>65246106I hate when they do it too, but they're not guilty of quite the same kind of delusion and general bullshitting
>>65246112>this is the best insulting reply he could come up withyikes!
Everyone seems to be ignoring that this mythical 300 billion is earmarked for roads. Best case is Iran digs up sewer pipes and turns them into rockets.
>>65246084It's not about "letting" iran do whatever it wants, it's about what the US gains by stopping iran from doing what it wants. If the GCC and Saudi think Iran is such a threat then they can go fire up their tanks. It's literally not Americas problem if Iran decides to chimp out. And them chimping out first comes with all the advantages of political and diplomatic cover plus another round of freedom fries because americans will believe their TV if it tells them a country 10000 miles away might hurt them.It is absolutely the right call to let Iran go nuts until it threatens a vital US interest. And even then the response should ONLY be calculated based on what's best for the US. Maybe that means intervention, maybe that means intervention in a year. Maybe it means staying out of it. The fact that proponents have such a hard time articulating what qualifies as a vital US interest and drag out terror attacks from 40 years ago or biblical prophecy to justify the attack on Iran shows everybody that there's no real argument there.
>>65246113>Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of this war. I just want you street shitters out even more than the cultists.Im fairly comfortable in saying that few people rank higher on my list of "people in need of a JDAM-strike", that dont mean i think this war and its outcome is anything more than a shitshow of unclear goals and motivation.
>>65246117why are you avoiding a simple question?
>>65243807i'd build the deepest possible bunker complex imaginable using 100 billion and immediately restart the nuclear program in that very same bunker complex using the other 200 billionnot having nukes = you WILL get fucked withnote how nobody is talking about starting a regime change war in north korea
So uhh... what does America gain from the war again?
>>65243807Probably do what some African nations do and spend it all on infrastructure or food and then spend all oil profits on military.
>>65246108>you are wrong because I am rightthat's not an argument and you know itit doesn't matter how very first world any of us are. you can't for the life of you present an actual argument that can't be swept out from under you in one shity posts.when supposed "thurdies" turn you into a laughing stock it's not because they aren't white enough, it's because you are wrong and refuse to admit it.
>>65246126we saved israel which is like gods chosen people o algo
>>65246119No one wants to talk about the real reason the US hates Iran because it makes the US look weak and petty.Iran started trading oil for yuan instead of USD and nationalized extraction instead of letting US corps steal the nations resource wealth.
>>65246130They use the yuan because no ones giving them dollars retard
>>65244282Come on, you really think they are going to improve their citizens lives? All the people supporting iranians are bitter and retarded losers who are desperate to "give US a bloody nose".
>>65246126Memes and cope all around
>>65246137Anon the taliban in Afghanistan trade in USD, the US doen't ban anyone from buying USD because they will take anyone willing to prop up the national debt.
>>65244361Why do you presume they give their lives any value? Well, yeah, they got right that oneI guess.
>>65246119I chose to ignore you earlier because an actual answer to that question requires some effort but figured you don't actually give a shit, you're probably asking the questions rhetorically. If you were actually curious about an answer, then sorry ig. In a nutshell it's about global power projection and maintaining US interests in the Middle East, not just for Israel but for the region as a whole. Iran has been a rogue state that has been actively trying to sabotage US efforts in the Middle East since its inception. It needed to be dealt with, but properly, not whatever this shitshow was. I need to get going so I can't really type up more than this but you probably see where I'm going with this. No I do not think our objectives to this end were achieved, but neutering Iran's military power will help in the medium to long term. In the short term they're probably going to have to abandon Hezbollah which, while not justifying the whole thing, would again be pretty beneficial for our interests. The idea that we shouldn't be involved in the Middle East is a heavily isolationist one and while I think it has some legitimacy and reason behind it, I also think you have to be shortsighted and a massive faggot to be an isolationist in the 21st century as an American.
>>65246137I'm not surprised you don't know your own historyi guess Trump didn't post that on twitter yet, therefore it didn't happen
>>65246154No one cares chink
>>65246142No he's just saying what he would do, not what Iran will obviously do. Though desu they're at serious risk of a coup or civil war if they don't fix the civilian infrastructure and economy immediately. Keep in mind that Tehran was having blackouts and no fresh water BEFORE the bombing started.
>>65246122for one thing, you didn't phrase your question in a way that actually makes sense
>>65246147The Taliban doesnt have oil. Iran has to smuggle oil over land and China can dictate payment
>>65246151not trying to stir shit in every corner of the world for your personal or corporate interest is not isolationalism in europe we learn that centuries ago, but you don't read history books so you wouldn't know the dumb prizes you can win from such dumb games
>>65246163Yeah that's not true but thanks for trying
>>65246162>has reading comprehension >call others uneducatedclassic american exceptionalism
>>65246164Okay so you were indeed just a seething butthurt faggot wasting my time after all. Noted.
>>65246166Sure thing buddy keep yapping nonsense comparing apples to oranges
>>65246168and now you are just claiming shit and declare victory like your orange kind doesepic, the memes were real
>>65246167No you stupid fucking sandnigger, you keep asking questions in malformed english. Honestly just use google translate or something, fuck
>>65246163I know you are a shill but here is a lesson for anyone that actually cares about facts.>The head of the Iranian Central Bank, Valiollah Seif, has announced that Iran will stop using the American dollar as its currency of choice in its financial and foreign exchange reports from the new Iranian fiscal year that begins in March 2017.https://mei.edu/publication/iran-will-stop-using-us-dollar/>The Iranian government has introduced new restrictions on the use of the US dollar by blocking imports priced in the currency, in what appears to be a fresh attempt to halt a slide in the value of its own currency, the rial.https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/03/01/iran-clamps-down-dollar-trading/
>>65246180Oh so some tangential bullshit that doesnt apply. Get a real job shill.
>>65246184>Iran passing laws to ban the use of USD isn't why they don't use USD
>>65246130>US resources stealingYou know I'd consider that at least a valid argument. it's not pretty but it'd be a win. But then we'd have to go down the Iraq rabbithole and why it is that despite the US footing the bill for that war the iraqi oil field bids post 2003 did go to non US companies.>>65246151See this is the type of stuff I was talking about:>rogue statePlease elaborate what those "interests" are, what kind of endgame the US is after here? Clearly the USN is also capable of closing the strait if it wants to so it's not choosing who gets access to oil. Then again the Iranians were best friends with the US until 1979, so I think that is what you are referring to as "it's inception". Regional access? Literally the US has bases all over the region which is more than enough for any sort of super secret strategy in every direction. And the US is perfectly happy supporting Iran when It blew up Saddam's Iraq, thereby gifting Iran the main obstacle that was between them and Syria, Lebanon and Israel. >HezbollahIs really a non factor for the US. I know people bring up the Beirut bombing in the 80s by proto-hezbollah, but if the US can make peace with Al Qaeda in charge of Syria, I don't see any US reason why that can't be true in Lebanon. I do know the israelis don't want that, but I'm specifically interested in what exactly US interests are in the region, how they are supposed to be achieved and what a perceived sort of end game looks like where America can *honestly* say: We know the the bill we paid for Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia and Iran, but here's the other side of the balance sheet.It's all very vague "US interests" that totally ignores things like blowback terrorism, financial costs, diplomatic fallouts or second/third order consequences that all have to be factored in. I think conceptually the US doesn't have to be isolationist, but it should pick and choose it's fights where it actually gains more than it expends.
>>65245639Played what nigga? I didn't expect anything the last two times and thus didn't vote. I was pleasantly surprised before Iran, and I'm surprised about Iran because it was going under before the war started and I thought they'd just wait it out. Even if Iran got everything tomorrow it would still be going under. Jews are just stupid and get by entirely on ethnic nepotism thus when they meet opposition which that cannot defeat like an external power they falter even if that power has a mean IQ of 80 like Iran.
Why are mutts so bad at warfare?
>>65246205Fear, unironically. If they wanted a new regime in Iran, which was the goal of this war, they needed to put boots on the ground. They didn't because they feared American troops dying in a prolonged guerrilla war.
>>65246205Id say that the US is exceptionally good at both the kinetic and logistic side of warfare, unlike russia for example. Like alwayd, it comes dowm to the political aspect
>>65246205Same old story, their military is great and their civilian leadship is too stupid to know what a military can and can't do.They keep trying regime change but don't understand you need boots on the ground and to occupy for decades while making the civilian population like you more than the old government.
>>65246205Personally I think it's because they do tactics and operational planning at the DoD and that usually works out well, but the US has outsourced their strategic thinking into think tanks that receive money from a certain lobby which means the strategy being regurgitated all over DC is not actually interested in going after things that make the lives of americans better but rather serves the interest of this lobby even if those interests are at odds with the interests of the US population.
>>65246151>the US shouldn't be isolationist >it should fight the war for Europe against Russia >and at the same time fight China over Taiwan
>>65245673Unfortunately for your faggot ass I'm a petroleum geologist and can tell you that all natural gas has a shitton of helium usually about 7% by volume we just don't process it and vent it. It only the 20% helium by volume wells in Texas and the Oklahoma panhandle which get don't have their helium bled off into the atmosphere. And there is nothing special about helium storage and transport. This shit is easily replaceable. So once again it only becomes and issue because all the parties are so risk adverse and have a "just in time" logistical model under ideal conditions. If shit went down there are dozens of suppliers from the US to Russia waiting in the wings to supply that Helium within a month. Assuming Iran had enough shit to destroy it in detail and could actually that that shit to target and hit it. It has not displayed such a capability thus far.
>>65246226I honestly believe the Russian invasion of Ukraine was the perfect oppertunity to make sure a Chinese invasion of Taiwan never happened.If we went all in on day one, enforced a no-fly-zone over Ukraine to give them air superiority while staying out of the ground fight to avoid casualties it would have scared the shit out of China.Instead we were weak and now it's way too late to convince anyone we aren't.
>>65246069Oh okay thankfully this guy knows what the IRGC will charge per vessel, and exactly what effect it will have on the price of oil and gas. Also have to repeat, the U.S. is already the majority LNG supplier of europe, their only alternative in sheer volume is Russia who is their apparent enemy, so the U.S. can charge Euros whatever they want and they will pay.
>>65246241Russia has plenty of LNG to sell to Europe despite the war, especially if mutts plan to extort their customers
>>65246236Yeah bro if the US came in and blew up everything in Russia then there would be no Russian desire to rebuild the Soviet Union, it would just be over then and there because their current set of factories in bobobograd went kablooey. The US wouldn't have to sit on the baltic border for the rest of time, with NATO entirely reliant on them, while simultaneously going to war with China over Taiwan. Actually China would just give up and decide democracy is way cooler and Taiwan is actually its independent friend neighbor state, and Japan's birthrate would become 9 children per woman
>>65246250>strawmanning with bullshit I never saidGreat work anon, 200IQ take.
>>65246249But thankfully 99% of Europe is financing and equipping a war against Russia, so not one cent can go to the Russians without admitting it needs the Russians, in fact Russia could offer them all the gas they need in exchange for bending over and saying Ukraine is Russian territory, and the domestic audience in the west would love this new pragmatism
>>65246253Beats being the Great Satan's client state
>>65243924>the USS Ford's 600 burning mattress's prison riot
>>652462522 + 2 = 4, China wants Taiwan no matter what, it actually encourages them to invade if the US continued to coddle NATO and provide for them, because they'd have to maintain the entire Russian flank and fight the wars over territory there on its behalf, which actually weakens the US position in the pacific and traps them in a two-front war.
>>65243993>/k/- desalination plants, rails, hospitals and schools
>>65246175so malformed you cant understand it? doesn't sound like an educated guy to me
>>65246260Anon it would show that the west isn't run by ivy league cowards making the current policy of "we will defend Taiwan" a hell of a lot more meaningful than "we won't actually do shit".As for NATO they should have been enforcing the no-fly too along with us Aussies.The west as a whole had the chance to be strong but the reality is we are run by ivy league cowards who care more about donors stock prices than realpolitik.
>>65244361Iran killed more Iranians than the US didso even by that metric they win lol
