discuss and post pictures of submachine guns
>>65245308>no Dom machine gun
thoughts on the ARP9? its turkshit. but im starting to like some turk shit. at a 350- 400 dollar price point, i night pick up a couple to lend to family if we ever need to do the needful
>>65245325>forgot pic of steven seagal holding it
>>65245321>>65245325>>65245328This isn't a cartoons thread.This isn't a PCC thread./k/ is a Weapons board. If you want to discuss semiautomatic replica PCCs, start your own separate topic. If you want to discuss cartoons, video games go to an entertainment board
>>65245333a PCC is just a sub machinegun that has yet to spread it's wings
>>65245338If you want to discuss semiautomatic replica PCCs, go start your own separate topic elsewhere on /k/.
MP40 but in 7.62 Tokarev
>>65245340AR-15 but in 7.62x25 Tokarev
>>65245344checked, is that firearm fully automatic? (Doesn't look like it) If not it and (You) do not belong itt
>>65245350this thread is gay, because you are a massive faggot
>>65245354(You) = nogunz and the minimum age to post on this site is 18>'thread is gay'All of the posts in except 1 it are off topic
>>65245358>nogunzpost your submachinegun faggot
>>65245350AR-15 but in 7.92 Kurz
>>65245360Post hand and a single gun (You) own nogunz 9-year-old>>65245362shitpost all the way to 310, I have all month
>>65245362thats a good submachinegun
>>65245367ok unc
>>65245365
These are heavy.
>>65245365>>65245367AR-15 but in 9x18 Makarov
>>65245375>prison walletOff topic
cmmg in 40 s&w
>>65245375>MICBlast from the past! I upgraded to a Vanguard 2 years ago. Still my favorite stow and go for the G26 I carry.
>>65245386Dont shoot your dick, buy a MIC!!!! what do I need to know about the vanguard? this mic is starting to get a little floppy
>>65245390>https://rcsgear.com/product/vanguard-2-standard-kit/Its like a MIC but not made by a guy in his garage and has multiple carry options over just a string (although you can still use the string method). Plus there is little chance you'll crack the Vanguard 2 by inserting the gun wrong unlike the MIC. My MIC cracked by itself even though I always slipped in on correctly so I never looked at it again.
>>65245402I like the detachable clip. sometimes mexican carry is the best for my wardrobe because i can wedge the butt deep under my belt and get away with wearing a wife beater. but most of the time i would prefer to have it supported by my belt
>>65245377I knew they were heavy but when I actually picked one up for the first time I thought 'yeah these are heavy, fuck carrying this around'
>>65245308
>>65245308I didn't know they made a version that took curved mags. Why bother? >>65245321The Dom can use the MMP-80.
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>>65245483In the 1950s-60s era it was common for NATO / the west nomenclature to refer to then-new assault rifles, in their folding stock or short-barrel variants as 'submachine guns'
>>65245483Back then it was full-sized rifle, machinegun, or submachinegun with no in-between. The STG-44 was originally called the MP-44 (Maschinenpistole-44, Submachinegun-44) when it was first made. The closest AK variant there is to a submachinegun is the Krink, but it's not a submachinegun because it's still chambered in a rifle and not a pistol caliber.
Always really liked these really old styles of SMGs where they had full rifle stocks made of wood.>>65245340Isn't it kinda like a Beretta SMG?They definitely wanted the MP40 form factor, but it's a bit different.>>652454639mm Parabellum has a slight taper, and they may have found that the curved profile mag was more reliable. As an example, the H&K MP5 originally had straight stick mags, the curved mags came later.
>>65245333>>65245339Oh, it's the refinery schizo
>>65245529MP 34 was peak submachine gun machining and manufacture quality
>>65245308I really want in Ar-45 pretty much like poc related with eventually an frt and a can.Tell me how I should do it
>>65245620
>>65246618(image: dk what happened there)
Anons I got $1000. Is there any submachine gun worth that money, or should I save up for an uzi? They appear to go for 1.5 to 2k
>>65245529wood?
Yes I know it's not really about SMGs but if anyone wants to read an amazing book where they were employed extremely effectively this is well worth your time. Such a good treat.
>>65246794>1.5 to 2kThis thread is about full auto/select fire submachine guns. Are you in the the U.S. or planning to violate the NFA?Functional Uzi machineguns in America sell for around 7 to 10 thousand dollars. (Not sure what they sell for in a few other countries that allow civilian full auto)
>>65245333>>65245339What are you gonna do about it, bitch?
>>65245308So there's a number of WW2 SMGs that were blatantly assembled out of spare plumbing and I affectionately call them pipe guns. Unfortunately, it seems to always cause a ruckus since people seem to think being made cheaply out of available materials automatically makes them bad. Is there any way to salvage my little nickname or is it better to just abandon the term?
>>65246882show us unc
>>65246915As a Brit we know the Sten as 'the plumbers nightmare'. The receiver tubing was genuinely made out of standard size steel pipe with the bolt made to match that internal diameter. The stock was made by every bicycle workshop around. Proper cottage industry in one sense. I'd use the term with pride in a way. Sure they were made out of cheap parts. But we needed a lot of guns very fast. And they did the trick.
I want one of these.
>>65246994metoo
>>65246952>As a Brit we know the Sten as 'the plumbers nightmare'.
>>65245308the XM177 was technically classified as a submachine gun
>>65247205Yes ------------------------- : >>65245487
>>65246794In the U.S, transferable Uzis are about $18000 to $20000+ by this point, but imagine that sample ones would be a lot cheaper, though those are only for SOTs.The cheapest transferable automatic weapons on the registry in the U.S is going to be Reising M50 or M55 guns, and Sten guns, but that's not original intact British or Canadian Sten guns (those will be as expensive as the Uzi), rather those are going to be much later parts kit rebuilds which people put together over the years (up until 1986).You'd be paying a very minimum of $6000 for a transferable rebuilt Sten, but probably a good bit more, probably closer to $10000.On the other hand, an SOT could build a Sten parts kit as a sample for like $100, but you're not an SOT.Reisings can be anywhere from $8000 to $12000, though good magazines for them aren't really widely available.
When it comes to transferable machineguns, assault rifles like M16s and AKs are very highly desired, so those are around $30000 at a base price. Less desired ones like FNCs and AC556s used to be a lot lower, but you're paying quite a lot for those now too, you're probably paying as much as you would for a transferable Uzi for that now.One of the big factors in transferable machinegun prices is the availability and cost of ammunition (and also magazines to a point), and very importantly, if the gun is fun to shoot. 9mm SMGs are very cheap to feed, and VERY fun to shoot, therefore people want them.Another is historical value and cultural impact, so guns that were big part of historical events and conflicts, and have been shown off a lot in movies and games, people will want those too (even if the ammo isn't very cheap).Many 9mm SMGs have historical value and cool value, so that's been adding up with their fun value. Transferable machineguns in .22LR have no historical value or anything, but they are also really fun, and they're the cheapest to feed, so a converted Ruger 10/22 registered as a transferable (or registered trigger pack) is going to be almost as valuable as a transferable M16.Parts kits rebuilt Stens lack some of the original historical value, but one that's been rebuilt proper is still gonna give you the true Sten experience, which gives you a somewhat uncomfortable, but still damn fun 9mm SMG, along with some WW2 cool points.
^^Good points
Does the LAD count as a SMG or is it a ULMG?
>>65245385Based .40 gang>>65245620These are nice but the PM-13 is peak aesthetics. The NSW version is my fav and a joy to shoot.
>>65251490dk, I'd say it's a belt fed submachine gunThere's an MP 34 on tripod upthread
>>65248074That thing has seen some shit.
>>65245377Someone please tell me the appeal of these things. Apart from pretending youre a gangster theyre shit. The weight is only of any great benefit with a select fire model and they just look so buttfucking ugly. That foregrip always looks to me like its hanging on for dear life and getting ready to snap. The rest of it looks like a scaled down 50bmg or somesuch placed into a loose fitting piece of walnut. Are they nice to shoot? Also why does the barrel look like two jews fought over a spring doorstop thinking it was a shekel?
>>65252498The guy intended it to replace all infantry rifles, SMGs, LMGs (which they really didn't have at the time) and make it the standard infantry weapon, that isn't a traditional SMG role. He also designed it with a 150 round belt/drum and a quick swap barrel. He was tasked with making the most firepower possible in something that weighed as much as a Nagant.>All 7.62x25mm SMGs and pistols used until destruction>Penderson device and drop in pistol grip stock converts all Nagants into quasi assault rifles taking PPsH mag with a quick bolt swap allowing the use of 7.62x54 >Crew served and vehicle guns unchanged>7.62x25mm costs 1/3 the resources of a 7.62x54>At infantry ranges (100-150 meters) ballistics don't really matter>WW2, body armor isn't really a thing yet, as long as you hit them it works>The LAD has select fire, they can do individual aimed shots>6000 rounds per Soviet squad standard loadOur timeline was robbed of a future that had LADs as standard Soviet infantry weapons, US .17 HMR belt fed infantry Gast guns and 12 GA flechette firing rotary cannons.
>>65252749Completely crackpot idea.
>>65252787>12 man squads>Platoon is 4 infantry squads plus HQ squad>48x600=28,800 7.62x25mm>6 marksmen with 7.52x54 scoped rifles>14 SMGs with 400x 7.62x25mm>LADs can do semi automatic fireI don't know about you but a company of troops that can throw out almost 35K rounds of 7.62x25mm out of carbine length barrels 'at the moment of contact' sounds like a very unpleasant experience, even in the modern day.
>>65252822Note the 'select fire' option, they could just plink aimed carbine length 7.62x25mm fire at you for a week before reloading. They would be amazing at suppression fire.
>>65252822>>65252847Yes. Crackpot idea.
>>65252749>12 GA flechette firing rotary cannonsWith all-tracer ammo and exoskeletons to lug it around...
>>65252856Your imagination and knowledge of both WW2 and modern infantry conditions alarms me due to you lack of any of those things.>>65252866I was thinking that in this alternate time line that those would be roughly the size of a M2 or KPV. As an alternative a 12 GA Gast gun might be smaller than a M2, perfectly suitable for use on a vehicle or as a support weapon.>Fuck, i didn't really think out what the western response to universal adaptation of the LAD as the USSRs basic infantry weapon would be. Of course it would be multiple projectiles or lots or tiny ones.
>>65245308His design wasn't very convenient but it was quite admirable.
>>65252856Why are you gay?
Is it required to have owned and flown a fighter plane to discuss mil fighter aircraft online?
>>65252693They’re cool as fuck. Also, that foregrip as actually pretty durable.
>>65252693Extremely old fashioned looks which you don't see in modern guns, and honestly not really in other subguns of its time either (for all the good and bad of that).For the foregrip, it's mounted on a pretty fucking sturdy bar attached to the front of the receiver.
>>65257619>foregrip
>>65255366Yes, you also need to have personally designed, built, and maintained every single component used.
>>65257637That's what I thought. You also need to own an avgas fueling station to discuss mil airplanes online.
>>65257633What about it?
>>65257619Sorry dude. Unlike the luger p7? the thompson looks like ass to me. Sux because i know it has history. I want to like it but i just fuckin cant. It looks like the moonmoon brother of the ppsh. Heck of a shotgun.
>>65258160what
>>65258422>semiauto AIslop
>>65245308Why are submachine guns more aesthetic than rifles?
>>65246794not an actual machine gun, those start at like 10k and up, increasing in cost depending on raritythe best thing you could get for your budget would be a semi auto mp5 and a super safety, which to be honest will outperform any machine gun you could get for even 10k
>>65258494
/k/ Weapons
I really like homemade smgs
>>65263618is that 9 Mak?
>>65263631Yes. Yes it is
I wanna build one so bad but dont wanna get party v&
40 goddam years ago, some FN engineers on quaaludes came up with this
>>65263927development started in '86, released in '90 but the 90 from p90 comes from "project 9.0" not the year it was released
>>65263917You could build a semi-auto closed bolt one.Or, if you really want that rattler badly enough, become an SOT.
>>65258422They could have at least put the collapsible stock on for the meme
>>65245620>>65246638
>>65272191SMGs/PCCs are cheaper to shoot, technically hearing safe with subs and a can, small and light enough for baggun larping, and make me feel like a GTA protagonist11.5 ARs are fun but suck to shoot after a few mags, makes my ears say owie
>>65272210There's a direct-thread budget mini can for that
>>65272191>>65272210>>65272214This topic isn't about semiautomatic firearms.
>>65269569>cost as much as kuna>not roller delay>unavailable so far in beretta 2026 catalogi dont get it, whats great about it?
>>65274321>derpThis topic isn't about semiautomatic firearms.
>>65272210>r/wojakbooru imageAre you even old enough to own guns, or are you just regurgitating things you've heard other people say?
>>65247205Which is stupid, since the M2 already existed and wasn't labeled as a subgun.
>>65251490I think a true SMG has to be detachable mag fed.Wasn't there another Slavic design like this? Romania or Hungary(?)
>>65252749>12 GA flechette firing rotary cannons.
>>65245350That’s an AR, you can just slap an FRT in it and it’s legal and effectively full auto, AR supremacy wins again
>>65252787>>65252856Construct an actual argument or shut the fuck up, faggot.
>>65252693>look so buttfucking ugly.Stopped reading there. They are objectively shit as SMGs, but they are interesting and originally beautifully machined and overbuilt.
>>65276847this is a submachine gun topic
>>65263927Is it even an SMG?
>>65276865You are dumb and gay.
>>65276832No idea but they sound like the types, in WW1 a few nations made Gast gun based SMGs for aircraft. UMLG feels like the proper term, if only because that is what the inevitable belt fed 5.7mm will be.>>65276843SUPPRESSION FIRE MOTHERFUCKER! OH IT CAN'T PENETRATE A VEST PLATE? I'LL WRITE THAT ON YOUR HEADSTONE AFTER WE BURY A 18 BY 12 INCH RECTANGLE OF FLESH BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THAT WILL BE LEFT!>>65276851Don't be rude, they didn't insult you so no need for that.
>>65276877checked, no u
are these funky looking fellas actually any good
I just bought this since I went to a gun show yesterday and fell in love with it but the seller was charging 400 more than what I can get for it on Atlantic. What replacement parts should I get from HK? I see a little bit of issues on youtube from dudes who say there are some issues on certain internals. Just wanted some help, lads. Thanks.
>>65282717This topic isn't about semiautomatic firearms.(go to the QTDDTOT if you need random answers)
>>65282717get extractor springs and extra roller retainers. there are two or three different kinds of roller retainer.>>65283635we'll talk about what we please, thank you
>>65282717There are zero issues with the new production guns. At least with the full-sized AP5s anyway.
>>65287469>>65287882This thread is not about semiautomatic firearms.(start a fag pcc thread)
>>65276847Why do you fuck dogs and suck at welding, evan?
>>65263927>Shit caliber>Shit ergonomics >Shit sights>Shit qualityOhnonono...>Fully ambidextrous controls with downward ejectionAll is forgiven
>>65252693when you say "the appeal", do you mean "why do gunfags buy repros" or do you mean "why did the military invent and procure these?"
>>65290066>caliberchecked, it's not that much worse than 4.6×30The P90's overall concept/design though leaves a lot to be desired. Some security forces might ? like-prefer it—perhaps for concealment or form factor. Most normal people would want the mag-in-grip MP7.It does have the large mag capacity advantage. Heard mixed stories about the feed reliability of the P90 magazines.(Talking about the full auto submachine gun here. Semiauto larper input prohibited)
>>65290570>—
>>65290966—————checked
>>65290570>it's not that much worse than 4.6×30Which is a dogshit cartridge.
>>65295281Maybe. Still better than 5.7
>>65295354Meaningfully, how? They both do the exact same thing, and neither are good at it.
>>65296030>pledditspeakWrong. Go back
>>65295354Exactly wrong.
>>65296198That's not Redditspeak, you braindamaged schizophrenic. Get committed.
>>65296242>>65296432>pledditseethe
>>65245385Cmmg sucks. That thingll jam on you
>>65257537Pure sex. Also used by Dr. Evil’s henchmen. >>65269569Still would
>>65297154In terms of current 2026 production submachine guns the PMX-10 (design purchased and modified from Brugger & Thomet, their former P26) and MP9 (design purchased and updated from Steyr, their TMP) are two of the best options.
>>65245308Is the 10mm Hi-point pcc any good? I thought the magazines were the biggest drawback
>>65299785Thread topic is about fully automatic (or select fire) submachine guns.
i keep seeing bodycam videos of cops in CQC situations and nut to butt bunkers and they're still trying to use long guns and they get shot through the walls by someone with a long gun. did people forget SMGs exist or? and by people i mean law enforcement.you need something like a .45 with a 50 round mag, the main role is suppression.I just got done watching a video where they couldn't shoot their rifles because children so they just got slaughtered.
>>65300506Yes we've had this discussion before.All (United States, at least) law enforcement after the 1990s largely purged their submachine guns in favor of 10 to 14 inch barrel 5.56 carbines.Submachine guns still, and ought, have a practical tactical role in extreme-CQB situations.
>>65300521well excuuuuuse the fuck out of me.
>>6529978510mm isn't particularly fun in a PCC, especially if you get a FRT down the road.
>>65301086It's a carbine, how bad could it possibly be? Also, FRTs won't even work with straight blowback guns like Hi-Points.
>>65246732yes
>>65296198they're both meme calibers
>>65301794(You) are a meme
>>65300569Dutch? 1970s
>>65301857Wrong, faggot, 5.7mm and 4.6mm are meme calibers for memefaggots who fell for FNH and H&K marketing. What they claim is lies, and their calibers suck and make you gay.
>>65302030>pledditblabok nogunz
>>65296495You have no argument.
>>65301216Yet.
>>65303310>pledditDurrrrP 'i-it's an argument a priori That Is What Is Occurring In This Space i've defined it'is the next line "i accept your concession," Brainlet?That upchuck doesn't work here.
the og spray n pray
>>65301859Dutch absolutely, 70s maybe, possibly 80s.
>>65301859>>653066121975 train hijacking in The Netherlands. One of two train hostage situation in as many years
>>65247938Kinda curious, how shitty are these things?
>>65310653Sorta in some ways, but not too bad in others.These things weren't really well suited for army issue due to how they were built (parts not being readily interchangeable between guns, very rust prone in Pacific humidity, and disassembly being kinda fiddly), so they were not particularly well loved by Marines who had to use them in place of Thompsons (because the Army still had dibs on those).However, in a cleaner environment, like as a police or armed security weapon stateside, they were ok. Biggest issue is magazines, besides not being easy to find these days, the original 20rd magazines were sometimes iffy in reliability and quality. This was complained about enough in their time that Reising would address it, by making special magazines which were narrowed down to a single stack of 12rds, which WERE much more reliable, but is obviously not the kind of solution anyone wanted.These days, there exist some old aftermarket mags, which apparently aren't that great, but some guy on Arfcom and MachinegunBoards makes a replacement magwell which uses .45 caliber Uzi magazines (and a nicer release button), and apparently they work quite well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtqvwHKKC7w.45 Uzi mags are available in 10rd, 16rd, and 22rd, so nothing larger, but 22rds is more than the original 20rds, and even the ProMag ones are gonna be much more reliable than an old Reising mag, and much easier to find.
The advantages of the Reising though is the full wooden stock, the delayed action allowing for a lighter weight and slimmer gun, also firing from a closed bolt, so they're not bad to handle and carry, and actually getting through a magazine without issue, they are fairly nice to shoot.Almost all of the same also applies to the M55 model, which lacks the muzzlebrake and adds a folding stock. With the stock folded, that makes the M55 extremely short and compact, but it's an extremely awful folding stock, just as flimsy and uncomfortable as it looks.If you're good with working wood, then maybe it'd be fun to make a replacement stock for the M55 (ether a full wood one, or your own, better folding one).Here's some more footage of someone testing the Uzi magwell, seems to work pretty well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgEnFsUmbD8
>>65310859>>65310883Thanks for responding.It looks a lot cooler than I imagined they would.>ProMag is one of the better magazine optionsGrim
>>65303310>>65303297What 5.7 does out of a short barrel can be done just as well for 99% of practical purposes by .22 mag FMJ and what it does out of a long barrel can be done by .17 HMR FMJ. >But duh rimfire reliability!Double strikers and quality control, still cheaper than 5.7mm guns and ammo.
>>65313775ProMag has an earned reputation, but they actually seem to work pretty well for these guns, as long as you're willing to maybe tinker slightly.
>>65313881>.17 HMRrimmed, jams
>>65310883>wooden stock>folding metal stockIt took awhile before folding stocks became non-gimpy.Early Uzis had wood buttstocks. Even the 1950s-70s HK folding stocks are less than optimal
>>65263917im considering making one based off of scrap metal small arms vol 9 and some original measurements but metric tubing is hard to find
>>65306955spetsnaz hostage rescue operation?
>>65287209>>65290494
>>65317172Marines. There was also a Starfighter involved
>>65246952I have fired+assembled and disassembled a Sten MkII before and it's just bad in every way. I couldn't even make it go full auto no matter the selector position.
>>65246915Pipeguns tend to mean using stuff like pipes for barrels, and generally being crude handcrafted weapons. However, affectionately nicknaming the really economized SMGs of WW2, like the Sten and Greasegun, as such, I think isn't that outrageous.>>65318619Must have had either damage, or it was converted to only fire semi-auto. Those Commando ones with silencers were most often blocked o semi-auto only one way or another, and perhaps that one was built from such a parts kit, without the builder understanding the sear group.Or you did something wrong.Ergos are quite terrible, and you want to treat the magazines gently, but the things do in fact work, otherwise they wouldn't have been so widely used.
>>65318716No, it fired full auto happily for like two bursts when someone else was shooting it. Then it stopped working altogether when I was shooting and it was replaced with an MP40 that was just lying around. I think it's rather that it's a cheap weapon being used far beyond its intended lifespan, but it still wasn't very pleasant. The only praise I can furnish is that the sight is surprisingly useable
>>65318821Was it an original and intact British or Canadian made one, or was it one of the countless parts kits rebuilds? Because the vast majority of registered Stens are the latter, as it was one of the cheapest and easiest ways to make a machinegun back in the day, and some individuals/outfits did less of a good job than others.Not gonna call the Sten flawless or anything, and certainly it could be worn out, but that really isn't normal behavior from anything I've seen or heard. Should not be difficult to correct, usually a fucky parts kit build is fixable.
>>65317408very nice
peak
>>65320024Definitely a peak of post-World War II submachine gunsand the Smith & Wesson derivative
>>65245450
>>65245450>>65320836>>65280291two of the best submachine guns of World War II
>>65319628Original, parts kits aren't a thing where I live
>>65280291Extremely pleasant to shoot but it really is heavy. Not like the MP40 isn't though, thing weighs almost as much as a FAL
>>65245328Holy shit panzer arms is still around?I.thought the shitty 12ga AR shotguns would have done them in.I guess a 9mm PCC is the next logical conclusion...Well, does the washed up russaboo Steven Seagal sell it for you?And ignore that other anon, they're a fucking retard.
>>65320935With their Russian connections, Panzer Arms is certain to win the next US small arms tender.
>>65314299I went onto boomerbroker to see how much mags for these things are.They are hundreds of dollars per magazine. The original Reising mags, not 3rd party aftermarket ones.Kinda makes sense as these gun have been out of production for 60+ years, but yeah you would think there would be more of an aftermarket for them.After reading about them, I think they cool, but I don't know how cool they would be if they weren't the cheapest transferable machine gun out there.also checked>>65321099>U.S. military ditches the M17/18 and goes back to 1911s and M9s.I can only hope so. Even Turkish clones would be an upgrade at this point.
