Not much is known about it at the moment, but it's being developed by Viettel and the VPA institute.Munition:> Range: 70 & 150 km> Diameter: 300mmThey're also developing an ATACMS-like missile for it too, which will have a range of ~300 kmIt looks similar to the K239 Chunmoo and the PULS, but all these MLRS have different missile diameter size and configuration
>>65245526>if it looks like HIMARS it should perform exactly up to HIMARS specs
>>65245566To be fair, vietnam has generally been pretty grounded and practical when doing domestic military equipment development in recent decades. That being said, I do think they've bit off more than they can chew here, and I would be very surprised if it was even remotely comparable to HIMARS performance in the end.
>>65245526>>65245878The rockets themselves they could do, guidance will need work. They just sent a high level delegation to North Korea and the Nork ATACMS/HIMARS equivalent would be within Vietnam's ability to copy, the rockets themselves at least and the Norks would be willing. The Norks previously walked them through being able to make (small) submarines so they can probably do it. If they did go that route they should throw their BMP-1 copy into the trash and copy Nork light armor instead while they were at it, besides being better it is far more suited to local conditions and have wide parts commonality.I would no be surprised at all if they are already receiving North Korea assistance with this.
>>65245526This is m270 multiple launch rocket system
>himarsImplessive
>>65245526How advanced is the suite of terminal options? Combination effects at all? Drone overwatch?
>>65246312who could it be...
>>65246312> I would no be surprised at all if they are already receiving North Korea assistance with this.Idk, Vietnam hasn't been that close with North Korea and doesn't want to associate for the sake of economic investment from South Korea, Japan, and US.Plus, the North Korea MLRS have a different diameter from the Vietnamese. The Norks has a 240mm, while Vietnam has a 300mm>>65246319I know, but it obviously intended to be highly mobile due to it being equipped on a truck instead of a tracked vehicle
>>65245878> I do think they've bit off more than they can chew here, and I would be very surprised if it was even remotely comparable to HIMARS performance in the endIt's surprising, but the specs of their missiles have the same range as the HIMARS missiles. This is what the Vietnamese Military community is claiming. Even if it performs only 80% of what the HIMARS is capable of, that's still a big achievement.I think tho just proves that the HIMARS isn't as difficult to create as tons of other countries are rolling out their own versions and/or Vietnam's MIC is picking up pace
>>65246529The Norks have both 240mm and 300mm MLRS.
>>65245566Aren't these gooks becoming the "new China" when it comes to cheap manufacturing? Thats got to translate to something
>>65247322From what I have seen Vietnam is good for light industry and makes good smaller electronics and other things but is still far behind China for heavy industry.
>>65247182No, I'm talking about their HIMARS equivalent which uses 122mm and 240mm rocketsYou're thinking of the KN-09, which uses the much longer missiles. Those missiles are definitely not fitting snuggly on a HIMARS-like launcher
>>65247534Wait for it.......
>>65247795And boom, both out of the exact same launcher. Their new launcher is modular, from what i can tell it can accept any of their missiles from 240mm to KN-9, the major exceptions being the huge 600mm rocket and the cruise missile which gets fired from a devoted spamming TEL.
>>65247809And before anyone asks, that's the cruise missile spammer in the background.
>>65247811Close up of NORKMARS with dual load:
>>65247534And as to how it fits: You can see here and here:>>65247811>>65247837They are separately designed launch modules. They can stick any sized tube they want in there as long as it fits the dimensions of the box, the second one just barely fits the large missile and i suspect the box needs to be swapped out to reload it, they probably come preloaded because that is a pretty big missile to reload into the tube/box at the front. It would be easier to swap in a new box.Vietnam could design it any way they want but the Norks have experience with a vast number of options, why not ask a friend? Vietnam has had several high level delegations in Pyongyang recently, the Public Security Ministers are meeting at this very moment and at all meetings defense ties were explicitly mentioned.While Vietnam has a strict policy of avoiding violating international sanctions (like by pissing off the USA by buying stuff from the DPRK) there seems to be a minor grey area since the Norks helped them alot during the war. I very much doubt the USA cares about the DPRK giving design advice to Vietnam, especially since it strengthens a nominal US ally and prevents Vietnam from turning to Russia.It's like how when the USA/RoK/Vietnam do naval cooperation exercises everyone politely ignores the origin of the OPFOR submarine and the advisors:
>>65247795It could be, but the design of these two MLRS doesn't even look similar.The Vietnamese looks like it has a crane reloading mechanism similar to the HIMARS and the Chunmoo, while the North Korean one is pretty bare bonesI could see Vietnam reaching out to North Korea for some help here and there, but their version looks more advanced considering it deployed with mobile radar truck from pictures seems from the ASEAN military groupsIt could be that they initially copied from the Nork and then advanced the MLRS to a the level of the HIMARS/Chunmoo throughout the years>>65247888> doubt the USA cares about the DPRK giving design advice to VietnamVietnam just got out of a tariff with the US so I don't think they're going to be risking any chances with doing weapons development with them currently. So this product would have to be before all of thatDo I think this is their own domestic product since they've been churning out tons of domestic weapons ever since Russia and Israel got into warsAlso, these HIMARS systems are more electronics than they are about metallurgy so Vietnam very well could have created it due to specializing in electronics manufacturing
>>65248066The basics about the rockets themselves aren't secret or anything like that, i would think Vietnam would reach out for any source of info they can. Any advice they got from the Norks would be stuff like simplified control surfaces, open market components and how to make cheap solid propellant, stuff like that. I just find it hard to believe that they would not reach out to a friend whose national pastime is missiles. >these HIMARS systems are more electronics than they are about metallurgy so Vietnam very well could have created it due to specializing in electronics manufacturingNo argument there. Anyone can make a missile, getting it to the target is the real issue.
>>65248122Digging deeper into this, I did find some posts about how Vietnam got to this point due to buying the production line of propellant and explosives back in the 1990s. They also brought the 122mm production line from Russia/Soviet Union around the 1980s or something.So they likely got here from decades of experience and not because they decided to do stuff in the last couple of yearsThat said, the propellant of these missiles seem pretty complex as they're solid stage instead of liquid
>>65249746In many cases the trick is controlling the burn rate of solid fuel, you can learn so really interesting things from rocket hobby books. You do things like make separate blocks of fuel with different shaped holes in them that affect the burn rate. So the first 'stage' is a eight pointed star to maximize the burn rate by presenting a larger surface area then you have sections with progressively smaller surface area to sustain flight speed, that sort of thing. Casting the fuel can be tricky since they need to withstand the stress of firing, it isn't just a matter of upscaling a smaller rocket.
>>65249746Good, so brown viets managed what others already accomplished since the 40s. Can you brownie kindly fuck off now and stop bragging about your fragrant feasting culture?On another note, how much did they pay for some Soviet leftover anyway? Viet mail order bride for every apparatchik, I presume? :^)
>>65247322They make decent textiles but that's it, so far as I know>>65246548>claimingYeah>rangeIs not the problemFucking V1s are 80-year-old techThe problem is accuracy
>>65250410Shitposting will not bring back the Moscow refinery ivan.
>>65250285Very interesting information. I'm not kept up on propellant so this is all new to me>>65250410Why are you so mad? >>65250424> The problem is accuracyI was thinking the same thing to and it would be interesting to see how they're going to fix this issueHIMARS are heavily dependent on GPS so Vietnam would need to make a couple of SAR, which is an even more extreme feat than what they've already done. Or they could attach optical sensors to each rockets, but that's uneconomical and they likely won't do so
>>65252603>it would be interesting to see how they're going to fix this issueThey're not going to, they're gonna build freeflight ballistic rockets and then gull everyone relevant (ie domestic audiences, the mindless media, and the bottom 25% of Congress) into thinking "Viet Nam stronk too!" because the launcher cosmetically resembles a HIMARS
>>65252890That sounds as unrealistic as them launching a SARA into orbit. Vietnam has a real threat in the north so they can't play around and make fake weaponry. I suppose they'll create a ground based GPS system where their HIMARS would be effective within the network but would become inaccurate outside of itEither that or they could rely on their current satellite system for targeting
