Anyone here ever gone to Project Appleseed? Are the appleseed classes good firearms training or just some political tupperware party gimmick?
I projected my seed into your mom last night.
they're a white supremacist militia/prepper organization with "le american revolution" as plausible deniability. It's very problematic especially considering they are indoctrinating children too. Would avoid, you can learn to shoot the same at your local indoor range.
>>65246143>they're a white supremacist militia/prepper organization with "le american revolution" as plausible deniability. It's very problematic especially considering they are indoctrinating children too.I'm sold where do I join?
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>>65246143>the coolest thing everFucking sweet.
>>65245957>Anyone here ever gone to Project Appleseed?No, though I've been interested trying out one of the rifle clinics. But I live in a small state and last year the only course available was the rimfire one like 2 hours away, and I wasn't interested in going far just for that. This year there are two rifle courses and both closer too, but unfortunately are right in the middle of my first vacation trip in like 5 years, bad luck. So I guess not until next year. I do like that they're extremely reasonable and relaxed in terms of bringing what you've got, they're fine with suppressors, irons or scopes, whatever, no fuddy rules. I'll never buy a gun just for a training course I want to train with what I've already got.Since it won't happen until next year I might pick up a barrel in a cheaper caliber before then, was considering that anyway.
>>65245957I think you already know the answer.
>>65246143>a white supremacist militia/prepper organizationAre you sure?
>>65246200>>65246235You do you, anon. Just don't say I didn't warn you the whole org turns out to be filled with glowies or insufferable sovereign citizen types.
>>65246239I've been to one of the rimfire rifle clinics. It was surprisingly good instruction for 85 bucks. Learning to use the loop sling was the biggest hurdle for me, I would suggest practicing getting in and out of it before you go to save some time.
>>65246143>>65246247Not either of those anons, but this isn't the experience I've known at all. The rule of "no politics after 1789" is followed fine. It's a normal positive course by people who clearly enjoy the art and sport of firearms and are really trying to get the regular public to have a positive experience too. Like shit, even the reddit gun liberals seem to like 'em fine.Dunno, given they're a national non-profit that really encourages people to volunteer and chip-in to run more courses I'm sure there is variation by state. Maybe the courses in maine/nh/vt are somewhat different in feel then those in alabama or virginia or texas. But if you're just there for what it says don't see the problem.
>>65246256thanks anon, particularly the bit on the sling. that is indeed something I don't have and haven't practiced with already on my bolt. are bipods ok or do they just want nothing, or prefer sandbags or something?
>>65246314The rules is no supports other than the sling. GI loop sling is the standard, but you can use a hasty sling if you have an AK or something similar that doesn't war with the Garand/M16 style slings.Bipods are banned, as is using the rifle magazine as a monopod as the point of the course is really to teach marksmanship skills with the most basic of equipment, to more or less ww2 standards(the organization originally only used M1Garand rifles, which makes sense when you consider the most rounds you'll ever have in your rifle during and AQT is 8).That being said, scopes and all other optics are fine, and all of the people I saw earn rifleman patches at the event I went to had scoped on their .22s
>>65246200as long as there are Trad-zombie wives in the community...
>>65246247I'm a glowie and a sovereign citizen and I have no time for this between arresting myself and fleeing a state boot thug.
>>65246314I never practice anything but offhand. ;_;
>>65246328Never mind that about the 8 rounds, I forgot stage four you can have 10 rounds.Also semi-auto is the way to go since stages are timed. Bolt action is possible but is expert level. Bring extra mags, some of the stages require you to reload rapidly during the course of fire.
>>65246328>>65246346just read the updated rules on the website, they mention nothing about other supports being banned and it actually says "at least 10 rounds" for mags, so maybe it's gotten even more relaxed at the lower level courses? >since stages are timedeh, I don't really care about competing on my first time just want to work on fundamentals and hitting stuff. if bolt gives me a lower score due to being slower so be it. but will keep it in mind, if next year i have a semi I like enough I'll bring that.
>>65245957I've been to multiple Appleseed clinics.The training is good. The intro clinic teaches you how to use a sling to shoot a semi-auto .22 rifle at 25 yards from standing, sitting/kneeling, and prone. There is no bipod usage allowed. Don't expect to make Rifleman on the first weekend unless you have practiced quite a bit with the loop sling and with transitions from standing to sitting or prone.You may be able to use a centerfire rifle for the 25 yard Appleseed, but at most locations I believe it's .22 only. They used to actually have a firing line full of ARs and SKSs and M1As long ago, but now the centerfires are mostly used during the 400 yard KD Clinic.They also have Pistolseed, a rimfire event out to 200 yards, and a centerfire clinic at 400 yards.They do talk about Revolutionary War history in every Appleseed.
>>65246143That sounds based. I'll donate $1,000 a year to their organization now.
>>65246409You NEED a loop sling for sitting and prone stages. Or at least I did. A sling that you can use not only as a hasty sling, but one where you can pull out a loop and stick your arm through and then close the loop around your upper arm. The extra tension is necessary for smaller targets.In standing position, hasty sling is fine.A bolt action .22 will slow you down but if you practice working that bolt fast from sitting and standing then that will mitigate it to a degree.Also practice mag changes, going from standing to sitting while pointing the rifle generally downrange, and going from standing to prone while pointing the rifle generally downrange. Stage 2 and 3 are tight on time.
>>65246466That's no issue and probably good to learn anyway. not disputing that, just saying the 25m rifle rules:>https://appleseedinfo.org/pdf/How%20to%20Prepare%20-%2025m%20Rifle.pdflook pretty relaxed overall beyond the sling. Which is actually kind of a nice feel from the start, for their intro course they seem to just really emphasize a USGI sling and then anything normal you've got at all.I'm sure their more serious long range courses that they suggest you don't do until the basic ones are more intense.
>>65246143>all these retards taking the baitexcellent work anon
>>65246620does not seem like many took the bait
>>65246524I believe you need to attend a 25m clinic before you can attend any known distance event.At the range I went to for a 25m clinic centerfire was fine, they just put the people with AR15s to the sides to make it less unpleasant for everyone else. Whether 25m clinics allow centerfires or are .22 only is depending on the host range rules only.
>>65246620>>65246630At an Appleseed event, they don't talk about party politics, nor will they try to recruit you into any organization other than Appleseed/RWVA.But then, keeping the history of Lexington and Concord alive touches on politics. Shooting at the army of the British King for purposes of resisting oppression and self-determination was political. The idea of taking up arms against a tyrannical government is political.The idea behind Appleseed is that it is a good thing to have an armed and trained population, connected with its founding history. In other words, they're supporting the general concept of armed resistance to tyranny at some theoretical point. Keeping it somewhat abstract and connected to history allows them to train a wider variety of people, including pro-gun Democrats. Of course anti-gunners and those who believe armed resistance to government is never justified are probably not going to show up to an Appleseed.
An Appleseed Rifle:Bergara BXRTract 22 FIRE 4-12x scope15-round 10/22 magazinesUSGI cotton web sling
>>65246920Real riflemen run irons
>>65246920A real Appleseed Rifle
I wonder how many people know that Applesneed originated with a guy who hawked M14 stocks and wrote rambling screeds in Shotgun News. He was like a dinosaur from the old conspiracy culture, still ranting well into the 2010s about how the UN was going to occupy America with troops from former Warsaw Pact countries and you needed to be a real rifleman with an M14 to punch through blue helmets and BMPs.
>>65248657Now THAT sounds interesting. Can you link or screenshot some of these articles?
>>65246143Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>65248669It was called Fred's M14 Stocks. I don't think there are any archives of old Shotgun News issues anywhere, but he was very proud of this story and published excerpts from it in his ads from time to time. You can buy poorly photocopied and stapled copies for $5 each on his website. (Minimum order $75)
>>65246143>>65246247this, I've been to one and they are based as fuck. someone was talking about a polymer 15 lower and I said it was a shame he had to give money to a known communist, karl the cuck, and everyone laughed except for the one guy in the faggot hat and his dad. I also won 2 patches and shot down the wire that was holding everyone's targets up by accident. I also disturbed the piece by being the only one not to use a .22 lr >>65245957You basically do the NRA/CMP highpower course of fire on mini targets from 25 yards. you don't need to buy anything from them if you don't want. They tell cool stories and they don't sell anything at the event.
>>65248657"Fred" was wrong about the UN being deployed here. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of conspiracies and government deceptions going on. Remember how they insisted that COVID was from the Chinese wet market and not a lab leak ... until a few years later when they admitted it was a lab leak?Or all the Epstein coverups?But anyway -- the problems with the AR-10 or SR-25 have been solved and there is now not really a good argument to go with the M14 or FAL over it. Especially since optics are significantly better than they were 25 years ago.
>>65246239you only shoot at like 25 yards so it's kind of a waste if you bring an AR like I did >>65246314you shoot with the sling and nothing else. they even wanted you to use the sling offhand which I didn't. sling offhand is kind of controversial as to if it actually does anything. I didn't bother because heavy as fuck hbar so it's more stable and easier to shoot offhand with my elbow on my hip
>>65246328>ww2 standardsIt's like 1950sish standards. Like just post WWII. >>65246341prone and sitting/kneeling are easier. the only thing that sucks is they make you start standing, unlike boomer ass NRA, so I'd waste half the time getting into the sitting position >>65246409they only have you load your mags to 10 rounds. I think the only time you ever load more than 10 they have you do it over 2 mags >scorethe rapid fire is the point. it's slow fire standing and prone and rapid fire sitting/kneeling and prone. rapid aimed fire is the point of 2 of the stages
>>65246920>applesneeed>Scope>>65248498kek>>65248657>>65248743based as fuck. Glad I'm a memeber
>>65248766>Remember how they insisted that COVID was from the Chinese wet market and not a lab leak ... until a few years later when they admitted it was a lab leak?they had some fucking reporter on NPR like a week or month after brandon was inaugurated, like not that long after who straight up said the lab leak story was the most plausible but whatever group she was affiliated with said it was fake news because trump said it. Like she literally said they knew it was the most likely cause, but they didn't want to "give trump credibility" Also literally all of the Deus Ex WTO conspiracy theories came true
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I wish they weren't 7 hours awayI wish you could start a group without attending 19 events
>>65248766>>65248819I always thought it was entirely plausible that the Covid animal was both originally from the lab and 'wound up' for sale in the wet market due to petty corruption.
>>65249247there's a cave not far from wuhan where there's a ton of batshit everywhere and people who went in there got coof like symptoms and then the wuhan disease lab is on record as sending scientists there to get samples in like 2014. even (((jon stewart))) was saying it probably came from the lab. Literally 100% of the pushback to the lab leak stuff was because Trump said it. Hell the WHO recommended running like half the PCR cycles on coof tests for vaccinated people like 4 hours after biden got inaugurated, with the memo saying that running it as many cycles as they had been recommending under Trump was causing a large amount of false positives. I have a friend who worked in one of those testing labs at the time and she said they would basically report fucking everything as positive. Like they would be looking for 2 specific nucleotide sequences and in theory both should be president if coof was present but they would just report it as positive if either sequence was above a certain threshold and like the WHO said they would just run the PCR for so many fucking cycles that they were basically detecting the PCR primer and she said even if they got a weak as fuck signal on just one of the 2 channels she was supposed to report it as positive even though that makes no fucking sense because if the virus was present you would expect the ORF and N gene to both pop as positive because the virus would have RNA for both the open reading frame and the N gene
I mistakenly wrote earlier that Appleseed is shot at 25 yards. It's actually 25 meters. Here is the course of fire to pass. Hitting 210/250 is the goal.Getting down in stages 2 and 3 and getting NPOA established, then getting all shots off in time (but not rushing it too much) is the most difficult part for me.
>>65249964I don't think I go off all of my rounds on the last two targets of stage two and three on any of my AQTs, and I got a score in the 190s as my highest.Practicing getting into those positions from standing is advice that can't be understated. You can practice at home aiming at the screw on a power outlet or something.Also, if you finish stage four first, you're probably doing a lot of things wrong.
>>65250641I meant to write the last target of each of stages two and three, sorry if that was confusing.Even if you don't earn a patch, which most people don't, learning about the concept of NPOA(Natural Point of Aim) is well worth the $85, a brick of .22, and maybe the cost of a hotel room for one night. Absolutely stellar instruction.
I went twice, once in the middle of February and once in July. I learned that it is easier to shoot well in the cold than the heat. Definitely worth doing if you haven't done any kind of structured rifle training before, gets you up to speed in a hurry.
>>65250684What's with the purple patch? You go to a Ladyseed?
>>65250754The guy who was supposed to run the February one had some emergency and the assistant guy who came in on short notice didn't have any of the special blue patches they give out at below freezing events. I just took the purple one at the second event to not have two the same, didn't realize it was supposed to be for girls. You'd think they could do up a run of Riflewoman ones, probably last them a while.
they are based boomers
>>65249964>>65250641>>65250667stage 2 was the one I had timing issues with. I could belly flop and get my NPoA prone pretty fast, but I have to settle into sitting. I'm good at sitting but it takes like 20 seconds for me to get there. prone is both quicker to get into and has more time. I also kept fucking up and shooting the wrong part of the target. still got 210+ on my second or third attempt.
>>65251144>>65246246he was present at the lexington green. it's like when people post the black who was shot at the boston massacre
>>65251622Your point being? Estabrook was hero who died for the cause of liberty.
>>65251618If I were too old or fat to sit quickly I would simply take a knee.
>>65251834I'm neither of those things, retard. sitting is just slower to adjust for NPoA than prone is.
>>65250684Shame these have been discontinued.. they look nice. Anything similar other than the 10/22?
>>65252763I saw a guy shoot a nearly perfect AQT with one of these and a big NRL22 style scope. I've never fired one myself, but for what it's worth it would certainly work.
>>65252865>>65252763https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pEJjFW5VDU
>>65252875>I had to shim it in place with duct tape, secure it with wood screwsAbsolutely Based
>>65249964Since stages 2 and 3 require you to use a magazine with 2 rounds followed by a magazine with 8 rounds, should you just fire 1 round before reloading to save time with working the charging handle?
>>65252960I could be wrong but I think you have to put in the first mag and shoot two shots before you can eject the first mag and put the second mag in. Ask them when you show up.But running the charging handle doesn't usually cost more than a second. It's getting in and out of NPOA that costs real time.
>>65246305>the rule of "no politics after 1789" is followed fineSo in other words, slavery is cool, we don't talk about that woke "emancipation proclamation" mind virus
>>65252960They tend to be pretty accommodating of whatever can be done with the rifle you bring. If you only have 5 round mags you'll do 5+5, if you bring an 1873 they'll have you stuff ten in the tube before each stage, etc. Do what makes sense.>>65252763Savage 64 or A22 but really the newest generation of 10/22s have most of what you'd want from the TCR22 available (threaded barrel, integrated rail, quick bolt release, sling holes, aperture sight). The TCR22 stock was originally exclusive but Magpul now sells it as the MOE X-22 and I think it comes new on some models of 10/22
>>65252763You can also build a rifle exactly to the specs you want. Kidd parts are top of the line, with barrels and trigger packs each running for about $400, but there's plenty of parts being manufactured between that cost and Ruger at the lower end.
