So now they lose the range advantage the M7 had?

We are going to end up with M4s and AR10s shooting ultra high pressure NATO calibers, which is the best move anyways.

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Fun times. Can't imagine how many times you can shorten a battle rifle's barrel before you start seeing significant impacts on velocity and energy... which this whole program was intended to improve over the M4A1...

Really starting to think if they wanted extra firepower that bad they should have just resurrected the M16A5 and called it a day.

>>65246398
>allegedly
Might we have a credible source?

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>>65246398
>cutting down the rifle with the bespoke bajillion PSI cartridge to carbine length
Finally, we're approaching the future promised to us by the Hollywood effects department.

>>65246407
No, they still retain overmatch against intermediate calibers.

Graft or mental retardation?
Call it.

What ever happened to the scope? Didn't it have a whole shitload of issues?

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>>65246398
XM8 RIDES AGAIN

>>65246551
poor fishe :(

>>65246471
that's why they're issuing suppressors. the gun is unusable without it.

>carbine

>>65246398
JUST GET A FUCKING BULLPUP YOU MONGOLOIDS

>>65246593
>but muh trigger

>>65246471
The "rifle" only had a 13.5" barrel to begin with.

>>65246602
It's not even about the trigger at this point. If a new rifle doesn't present the exact operating order as the M4, they don't want it. You could give them a fucking lasgun and they'd still go "Where's the forward assist?"

>>65246551
unironically a better choice than Sigshit

>>65246636
how retarded are grunts that learning a new manual of arms is impossible for them?

>>65246676
It's more that big army is unwilling to go through the complicated bureaucratic process of making slight changes to official instruction procedures. Except for the ones that make absolutely no sense or increase misery of course.

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>>65246415
Canadians had it right the whole time

>>65246701
>Petzi
Odd name for a Leaf. I wonder, do they put syrup on their spaghetti?

>>65246676
The grunts are fine. It's the pencil-pushers who think they're too stupid to figure out how to use a gun that isn't older than their fathers.

>>65246398
As soon as the 80k PSI 5.56 upper is ready, the M4 is getting a new lease on life.

>XM8 Carbine
May I see carbines M5-M7?

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>>65246799
here's the M5/M7. there's no M6 though.

>>65246593
Even chinks figured memepups are shit.

>>65246712
Petzl is a French company. It used to be a sporting goods manufacturer for cavers and mountaineers, now they mostly sell safety harnesses, high visibility vests, helmets, headlamps and other shit to business users like construction workers, truckers and so on.

>>65246551
BIG birb

>>65246712
You dumb motherfucker.

>>65246629
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with the army? When did this short barrel mental illness take over, when it was readily understood that anything under 14.5 was impractical for non-specialized doorkicker applications, and soldiers did just fine with 20+ inches for decades?

>muh weight
You bought a heavier rifle with heavier ammo and a heavier logisitical train in every sense.

>muh length
You cant use your gun without a suppressor. You can't even grip an SBR properly because it's so short.

>muh suppressors
They make them shorter now. And if you have more barrel you get less muzzle blast, and if you want range and armor piercing overmatch its gonna be supersonic anyway.

>muh armor piercing capability
Make and hand out more black tips. If a black tip can't kill it use a grenade launcher or drone.

>>65247061
The point is to suppress every rifle without making them pike length.
If your suppressor is 5 inches long, then your barrel has to be 3-5 inches shorter to avoid excessive length.

>>65247061
>You cant use your gun without a suppressor
the gun is nigh unusable without it. it is incredibly concussive.

>>65246398
Is it so hard to make a simple bullet tube? When the slavs want a new weapon they make the barrel wider on the AK47.

>>65246478
>overmatch
orwellian nonsense word. just say surpass.

>>65247061
>When did this short barrel mental illness take over,
GWOT and the SOCOM disease becoming something that the bugchasers in the pentagon wanted to infect themselves with

>>65246835
Same reason the original M5 designation was dropped in favour of M7, because Colt own the trademark for "M5"
LWRC owned the "M6" trademark

>>65247061
>soldiers did just fine with 20+ inches for decades?
Short barrels were always more popular with soldiers whenever the chance existed, all the way back to vietnam and korea. It was simply during GWOT when bureaucrats started listening to them.

>>65246398
The correct answer is a 5-6mm C-T carbine effective to 400m, combined with MGs and airburst HE out to 800m and guided HE for anything past that.

>>65247346
>Short barrels were always
No, short *rifles*. 14.5 inch barrels are for faggots. M16 is far more effective and deadly than M4, but here we are everyone is issued the CAR. (Not to mention the OP nuSIG giga-atrocity)
Mentalities, groupthink, overall culture, leads to these situations. Nothing to do with engineering, doing the actual job, or combat effectiveness.

>>65246398
I really didn't want this to be true but this is going to end up being the smoothest adoption of a service rifle in a long time. Really didn't expect this from a company that puts the "automatic" in semi-automatic for their handguns.

>>65247562
M4A2 with Federal PEAK
LSAT with 6.5 creed in polymer cases and polymer links
30mm semiauto gl with 5rnd mag
A token HEDP missile of some kind
drones, drones, and more drones

We could have had it all in the 2010s :(

>>65246712
Bait

>>65247574
>M16 is far more effective and deadly than M4
You are repeating zoomerlore and have never been in combat.

I was gonna type out a whole paragraph on how fucking gay this whole situation is but I don't think I need to.

>>65246712
You are comically dumb

>>65247586
M16 is deadlier than an M4 combat or not. Small arms are irrelevant, indirect fire is the arbiter of warfare.

>>65247619
>doubling down on zoomerlore
Since small arms are irrelevant, you can carry a musket with a 40" barrel and a +10lb lead weight added to the stock.

I had the option to choose between a musket and a M4 on my first deployment. The musket never left the armory.

>>65247635
You do you. M16 is a deadlier firearm than the M4. (Different firearms can be more appropriate, suited to certain jobs—and in service of/wielded by particular users—than other firearms are)

>>65247650
Look at some ballistics gels by ammo and impact velocity, retard-kun. There's nothing magical about unadjustable stocks or excess barrel lengths.

US soldiers can thank the ukrainian conflict for that.
Why don't they just get hk416 like marines and french army.

>>65247664
>muh barrel length stocks
Not what any of this is about. Sniper rifles and DMRs exist. The M27 exists, and is now the entire USMC's standard rifle<--didn't start out that way. (Different firearms can be more appropriate, suited to certain jobs—and in service of/wielded by particular users—than other firearms are)

>>65247619
>M16
>iron sights
>no full auto
>more deadly than an M4

I don't think you are capable of comprehending much.

>>65247635
What was your job that they'd let you carry a musket? I would have totally gone with the musket given the chance, just for the cool points.

>>65247699
>'no full auto'
checked, neither are you

>>65246398
lol at all the fuckers who didn’t even read the stupid-ass tweet

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>DI AR-10
>A5 buffer system
>Basic ambi controls
>Either two-piece M-Lok, or complete with integrated bottom rail for GLs
>6940 style adjustable gasblock and straight gas tube
>18" medium contour barrel with intermediate gas length
>7.62 NATO loaded with the new steel case, loaded to hot .30-06 levels with 180 gr. bullet
>Jim Sullivan's open bolt slow fire, with the regular closed bolt semi and full.
>Forward assist moved forward and partially merged with brass deflector, to make charging easier
>O-ring on the back of the charging handle
>Integrated backup rear sight that functions similar to A1 or A2 sights, depending on branch
>Magpul furniture
>5.56 version is the same, but 16" and midlength.

>>65247242
infantrymen were doing a lot of cqb so a short barrel made sense for the time

>>65247699
>iron sights
>full auto
Marines using M16A4s with Acogs in semi only killed Iraqis more efficiently than Ghengis Khan

And if you really NEED full auto, the A3 and the C7 exist.

>>65247575
Its already been super rocky and there have already been QC issues with the M7. Its also about to become completely irrelevant as we pursue new alloy casings for 556 and other calibers we already use that weigh less and allow us to load the same rounds much hotter. I cannot conceive of a rockier start, especially when the this very thread is talking about a pretty significant modification to the rifle already when it literally just got adopted at all

>>65247069
It's the opposite. If your barrel isn't that short, then the suppressor doesn't have to be that long. Mini suppressors don't suppress as much but if you're not engaging in a hopeless drag race trying to spit the bullet at acceptable speeds out of stupid fucking snub barrels then all that excess energy becomes speed instead of noise, flash and heat, so you can afford to have a less effective, less large and complex and expensive suppressor on a rifle that isn't that much longer.

And you also don't beat your gun to death in the process for that matter, what's the life expectancy of an XM7? 50k rounds?

>>65247061
>Seriously what the fuck is wrong with the army? When did this short barrel mental illness take over, when it was readily understood that anything under 14.5 was impractical for non-specialized doorkicker applications, and soldiers did just fine with 20+ inches for decades?
Because the big conflict zones of the future have been predicted to be urban zones for the last 15 years. The guys upstairs think that everyone needs a short rifle because they're going to be having gun fights in stairwells and alleyways.

>>65247812
have fun with your long rifle in a trench

>>65247820
if you are having trouble with a 20 inch rifle in a trench, then I think you may genuinely be retarded.

>>65247807
>50k rounds
lol, lmao. It would be lucky to see 10k rounds. Especially now with the skeletonized BCGs they are using on the M8. This thing is ONLY going to have maintenance problems

>>65247650
11b in the US Army (Afghanistan, Iraq) to YPG anon in Syria to MMC anon in Syria to TDF infantry anon in Ukraine to drone anon in Ukraine here.

Not a single time, ever, even once, did I think "Geez, I sure wish this barrel was 5 1/2 inches longer, that sure would be helpful right now".

Not sitting in a trench, not doing MOUT, not taking pot shots at retards across a valley, not in training, not even on a flat range, never. Never once. The amount of annoyance from the length alone just walking around with it slung in thick brush is not worth the marginal ballistics gains.

>>65247741
Go take a 20" rifle and walk through some shitty brush with it for a day or two, then do the same with a 14.5". Go practice clearing a room with it. Practice clearing a 24" wide trench with it (or just restrict your hallway in your suburban home with some boxes or some shit).

>>65247834
Trenches get ridiculously tight, so tight you can't fit two men side by side. So tight you can barely fit yourself in kit sometimes, let alone with your rifle and all the other bullshit you ferry up and down the lines during an assault. IDK what the fuck is up with you niggers acting like war is always (ever, even once) going to be some pretty sanitized open hallway you can practice a rolling T in or some shit.

>>65246398
The entire program is just wasting time when we could have just marginally upgraded the M4A1 inventory. Every single dollar we have put into small arms should have been allocated for optics and NODs in the past 15 years anyway.

>>65247965
I would like to ask if you've ever held a designated marksman role or similar, not disagreeing with your sentiment at all but your answer could give us some extra perspective.

I'm not even a big fan of the M4/M16 platform but it was obviously the wrong choice to go with the Sig offering. The GD option was superior at the time but I feel like the war in Ukraine has made it clear that battle rifles cannot be the standard for riflemen now, since shooting down drones with rifles is such a concern for infantry and volume of fire has proven to be very important (and because 5.56 and 5.45 have both proven to be effective against drones of all sorts). We don't really ever see footage of it, but do you ever find your drone surviving after taking a hit from a rifle?

And then of course, as the anti-drone infantry meta evolves, it increasingly seems like cqb is the one place where they're not going to help much, which is yet another point in favor of a 5.56 carbine.

Makes me wonder if 9mm or 5.7 or 4.6 SMGs will swing back around into the meta. Being able to carry an absolute fuckton of rounds compared to 5.56 is a big advantage, and unless you have tungsten core in every single one of those rounds, they're not going to be any better against armor.

>>65247965
>11b
>did I think ___ , ___ , ___ , never once ___ not worth
Thanks for the anecdote.

>>65246398
>XM8
Are they reusing the same designation for a different rifle or is this the straight up original XM8 they skipped over after it fit all their demands including looking futuristic?

>>65248033
(NTA) in this case the anecdote is highly relevant because it adds real-world context to an otherwise technical and detached argument (ballistic gel performance, muzzle velocity, etc). On-paper expectations do not always match field performance.

>>65247735
Good pic

>>65248111
>relevant
Good to have data points but all anecdotes are anecdotes

>detached _ ballistic _ gel _ velocity
For combat arms overall those are some of the least relevant stats (particularly when they're brought up as 'relevant' in discussions such as these; how much internet bandwidth expended on them. NTA)

>field performance
As mentioned above that is relative and expectations, requirements, and conditions change over years and decades.
MIC will do what it does no matter the online debates / anecdotes

checked

>>65247228
It's not Orwellian in the slightest. It is in fact, very Germanic.

>>65248161
it's orwellian in that it is a nonsense word that everyone has to use because of bureucracy. either you match or go over, in which case you surpass. It is an act of doublethink to seriously say a word that means nonsense.

>>65246602
Make it electronic.

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>>65249126
"the ministry of production overmatched their quotas. we congratulate them for beating their quarterly objectives, for which they will suffer a demerit for just meeting the standard and not going beyond"

>>65246407
No, they had reduced the pressure to reduce recoil and now they're increasing it again. Also the carbine is lighter so that's going to increase recoil as well.

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>>65247580
whose fault is it? EVERY TIME

>>65246495
Yes

>>65246398
>keep finding ways to shorten it when you could have just had a full length bullpup with no cons from the start
Guys, are bullpups really that bad?

>>65246629
It was always a carbine, hence why it started as the M5 (after the M4), rather than M17 (after the M16)

>>65246712
Fun joke

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>>65246712

>>65248161
yeah yeah and you look nordic as fuck i’m sure

>>65246495
It’s both

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>>65247069

>>65247711
I was in the Air Force and was originally going to get an a2 for a deployment in 2017 until my MSgt bitched out our supply guy and got us all M4s. I saw a dude in Kabul during the evacuation with an a2 in 2021 as well, they're still kicking around.
>tfw had to qual for both weapons and I only shot expert the second time

>>65249325
No, but the RM277 really was that bad.

>>65246593
Such a (((br*tish))) concept like the bullpup is unsuitable for the brave, freedom-loving men of our armed forces. I say we go back to modernizing the m16a2.

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>>65246398
The great satan strikes again…

>>65250372
Garand Thumb tested this. He said it's the most effective suppressor he's tested, at least from a signature reduction standpoint. It gets hot very fast, though.

>>65250874
I think the mirage problem is a non starter for it especially on anything that isnt a mk18 with a red dot anything magnified is no go. I heard rumors of less than 10 rounds on a 338 or similar sniper and its unusable

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>>65250944
Wow, that sucks. They should probably incorporate the techniques used by Ambient Arms on their self cooling suppressor.

>>65247069
Then get a chode suppressor. Either the potato we saw in the NGSW, something like the YHM fat cat, or there’s an even shorter 2” one for 5.56 that I’m blanking on who makes it. The latter obviously isn’t hearing safe but it takes the edge off. The 6.8 with a suppressor isn’t hearing safe either, so if you’re using ear pro already you’re fine with a short, less functional suppressor.

Also a 14-16” barrel, with a 4-5” suppressor isn’t “pike length”.

>>65246712
fucking kek

Would someone in Ordnance please explain why chopping the barrel on the M7 a couple of inches necessitated an entire new M designation but a tank with an entirely new engine, completely redesigned interior, fire control system, and a remote turret is still an M1?

>>65246835
>M7 Carbine
>Needs M8 Carbine-er
I don't like it

>>65248033
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO HAVE MY HECKIN BASEDERINO LONGER RIFLES! YOU HAVE TOOOO!
Your opinion is based on nonsense that you haven't even experienced. Shit, show me a guy who gets shot with an M4 that survived but magically wouldn't have with an M16 lmao, and then manage to convince me that this absolute unicorn scenario outweighs the benefits of a carbine. What if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>65248009
Qualified on the M110 and carried it around for a bit, but we relegated them to the platoon that stayed back on tower guard 99% of the time. I simply believe they do not currently have a place in warfare; snipers are starting to be replaced with FPV teams. If I am slinging lead from a distance that warrants precise 7.62 from a concealed position, I can take cover and sling a drone your way instead, more accurately and with much greater impact.

>We don't really ever see footage of it, but do you ever find your drone surviving after taking a hit from a rifle?

Never had a mobik even manage to aim at a drone from my end, let alone get accurate shots off. This is mostly because I was rarely chasing infantrymen; I am sending an FPV into dead space like bunkers or random dugouts, or hitting vehicles or antenna. If you see an infantryman killed by an FPV it is to repel an assault/buy time for your guys, or because your battery was about to die anyway and you might as well instead of waste it on the ground. Even though FPVs are comparatively cheap, much better to try and destroy material with them than a replaceable grunt.

I have seen video footage and feeds of FPVs being shot though; a lot of the time the inertia of the drone will manage to finish the job either way by the time the infantryman on the ground manages to hit it. Shotguns are better than rifles for this if you have anything approaching the right load.

>>65251013
The ambient arms thing is basically a scam. Look how it works. Its no miracle

>>65247061
>When did this short barrel mental illness take over
>anything under 14.5 was impractical for non-specialized doorkicker applications
sup neverserved and also noguns

>>65248009
>wrong choice to go with the Sig offering. The GD option was superior
None of the weapons were worth the time, the real step forward would have been the plastic-cased TV ammo applied to existing calibers

>We don't really ever see footage of it, but do you ever find your drone surviving after taking a hit from a rifle?
Go on /uhg/ more, there's lots of footage of drones getting plinked with rifle fire

>>65249126
>It is an act of doublethink to seriously say a word that means nonsense.
Except it doesn't mean nonsense, it's just a new construction you aren't used to. It follows normal rules of English vocabulary, there's nothing meaningless or irrational about it.

>>65247061
>You cant use your gun without a suppressor. You can't even grip an SBR properly because it's so short.
not really, the 10.5" ARs were actually causing brain damage from the concussive blast with the m855a1 rounds
with the new, super high velocity rounds in the NGSW rifles you basically have to run a suppressor or its guaranteed brain damage every shot

>>65246407
think it's a 100-200 ft/s difference. Like 3100 to 2900. Or so I want to say

>>65247792
>Marines using M16A4s with Acogs in semi only killed Iraqis more efficiently than Ghengis Khan
LOL. You are most delusional and uneducated nigger on this mongolian throat singing forum. If they had gone full mongol in Iraq, no one would care about holocaust because it would pale in comparison what would have happened in Iraq. Mongol invasion of Persia and Mesopotamia ended the so called Islamic Golden Age. It turned the area from one of prosperous places on earth to a backwater for centuries. It completely depopulated major cities, in places Mongols never managed to conquer and merely raided. It wiped out whole tribes.

>>65251593
>textwall pastaslop
Get out.

>>65246398
Give or take 10 yrs. SIG will be able to fullfill the entire contract before the retards at the top realize this gun is shit.

>>65252681
It's not a scam. It does stay cool.

>>65252878
>Go on /uhg/ more, there's lots of footage of drones getting plinked with rifle fire
I go on /uhg/ plenty. I was just asking anon about it because
>A) the average vatnig is not even remotely as trained and experienced as an average Ukie by now,
>B) failed hits don't usually get posted, and
>C) even if they did get posted, it's hard to say how frequent that happens
I saw a Kyiv Independent video the other day about the road into Konstantynivka, there was a segment where they showed a dedicated drone-shootdown unit in action. They explained that no matter how good a shot you are, it's a moving target at an odd angle, moving quickly and potentially erratically, and often pretty far away. So, their strategy is to down them with sheer volume of fire, with multiple guys simultaneously taking rifle shots until it goes down.

Anyway all that's to say, I just really have no idea if the russkies are doing something similar. Apparently not.

>>65251135
How are you supposed to pronounce "carbine", anyway?

>>65252949
Stop sperging out over a hyperbole, dumbass.

>>65253001
Kher Bane

>>65252882
No they weren't. That study said INDOOR shooting over PROLONGED periods of time can POTENTIALLY cause mild TBIs. And the guns they tested this with had no flash hiders or any muzzle device. Nor did they say it was a specific phenomenon to m855a1.

>>65246593
>We want a super powerful round but also can you make the r8fle short?
>GD:Okay, here's a bullpup.
>NOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!

>>65253001
Like "carbine"

Why are bullpup advocates so incapable of addressing the negatives a bullpup has?

>>65253891
same type of people as fudds and zoomerlore
they are obsessed with their shallow wikitier theory, and have no knowledge of the practical use or physical functions so they don't understand the assumptions underpinning its logic are nonsense

>>65253109
I'll hand you a 10.3" with a comp inside one the smallest shooting booths. Feel free to debate the soiyence after 100rnds

>>65247580
Why do people always forget about mortars? With GPS and drones you can literally get BF / Far Cry 4 experience with them.

>>65252993
by being basically a 1 baffle suppressor that has first round pop every shot. The back end, which is the normal suppressor part, still gets really warm. The front end is basically a venturi iirc which is guaranteeing you have first round pop every single shot by sucking in ambient air to remain cool. You may as well just cut that portion off and have a chode can

>>65253959
You're lying. It does not have persistent first round pop.

>crayon eaters get 416s
>reliable tested ar platform with heaps of extras and mature manufacturer support
>no fuss
>no drama
Why cant big army do this

>>65246788
What's the point in taking an old cartridge and nitro'ing the pressures? You're already most of the way to designing a new cartridge. Might as well go whole hog reap all of the benefits of doing so

We will be using m4s for the next century. Only when laser rifles Become a thing will that possibly change. Even if it does it will still be a laser m4. That is our reality that is our future, Eugene stoner must be kneeled to

>>65254032
The US army won't buy a new high psi upper, it'll buy a Federal PEAK style cartridge which gives +400fps without needing a new chamber. That way they can keep using their stockpile of old ammo.

>>65247965
Holy fucking LARP

>>65253967
Go on YouTube there are multiple videos breaking down the retarded mechanics of this thing. Actually, don't do that. Go and waste your money on the can. I want you to be broke and own stupid shit

>>65246423
It was revealed to him in a dream.

>>65254070
O that's cool. I still think a newly designed cartridge is a better idea, but it makes sense for big army to do something like this instead

>>65246398
>caring about infantry rifles at all when America has gotten so gunshy it won't deploy ground troops.

>>65247619
If small arms are irrelevant than why wouldn’t you use the M4. It’s lighter meaning they can carry more of the “stuff that matters”

>>65254137
That livid response proves to me that you are emotionally invested in your opinion. I can't trust what you say.

>>65254503
I feel nothing towards this topic which is why I wanted you to waste your money as opposed to wanting you to save your money. Indifference is worse than hatred anon

>>65254070
>The US army won't buy a new high psi upper
Yes they will
>it'll buy a Federal PEAK style cartridge which gives +400fps without needing a new chamber
High pressure 5.56 would either not be safe in existing chambers, or fatigue the barrels way too fast. Not to mention break the bolt lugs prematurely due to bolt thrust.
>That way they can keep using their stockpile of old ammo.
A high pressure 5.56 chamber (TBD) would accept normal 5.56

What may happen is that some manufacturer can make a conversion kit that would be a bolt+barrel, that can be retroffited into an M4 upper. But at that point, there's really no reason to not buy a new upper with more bells and whistles.

>>65254660
In an AR-15 the bolt is the weak point. The chamber, barrel, and barrel extension can handle higher presssures just fine. All you need is a stronger bolt and a gas system that is tuned for the higher pressures.

>>65246636
>Where's the forward assist?
The xm8 doesn't have one.

>>65247965
Zoglord

>>65252882
>>65253920
So you agree with the post in every way, what is "not really"

>>65254660
>he doesn't know
The whole point of Federal's PEAK is that it safely enables high pressures in existing chambers - that's why they are selling it to civilians in 6.5 creed. Shilling a new cartridge+new gun wouldn't appeal to the mass market. Personally, I'd love to see 120k psi new cartridges in new guns but the big army is not into it right now.

>>65246414
We should've just stuck with Garands in .276 Pedersen and eventually made the switch to a 6.5x55 FAL

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>>65246423
No.

>>65247834
>>65247965
Trench warfare hasn't been relevant for nearly a century you retarded faggot. One single drone operator could've decisively won WWI.

>>65246415
7.62x51 starts seeing adverse effects under 16"
this is 6.8x51 so it's not like they broke the mold or anything
M7 was 13" and the M8 is 11"!!!!!

In comparison, the HK51 with an 8.5" barrel, basically reduces the power of .308 into 7.62x39 territory, where it gets fucking mogged by AK carbines.
High pressure is supposed to alleviate this on the M7 and M8 lol


>>65247323
Imagine giving a shit about trademarks when you're the US military and you invented the M designation system in the first place. True cuckshit

>>65253001
Shooty-bangbang

>>65254842
checked the internet lately?

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>>65246398
why can't they just go back to 5.56? why choose greed over being practical?

>>65250944
They need thermal shields for clipping on suppressor.

>>65247735
Why do fags claim that futa is not gay when the vast majority of futa stuff has enormous dicks?

>>65254883
Because 5.56 is at the end of its feasible development cycle. There’s only so much more that can be squeezed from the poor little guy.

>>65254070
This actually hits on why high pressure rounds need to be a new caliber, soldiers will be blowing up rifles running the wrong kind of 5.56 in them.

>>65254948
Its gay but I dont like looking at men

>>65254826
Notice how they aren't selling in 5.56, 7.62 or other legacy calibers The reason Federal is selling PEAK in 6.5 is because all those guns are of recent manufacture and can handle the higher pressures.

>>65254865
>7.62x51 starts seeing adverse effects under 16"

Because no one making 7.62x51 designs their powder burns for under 16"

>>65254337
Not the point of that post (and see upthread from it). M4s are shitty.

>lighter
M4 is heavier than an M16. (And see upthread discussion, plus >>65248395)

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>>65254883
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>>65254826
>back to 5.56

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