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/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, anon finished switching out his carrier. A fudd tried to argue .50 BMG rated plates are impossible (again!), and anon had a business idea to make ghetto battering rams.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.17
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):
Budget: Hesco L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Hesco 3611C, SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or Hesco SC3812** or Protech DT306C-HW
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995)
>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G (last ditch option)
Budget: Gilliam 1023, Protech 2014MC, or Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* or ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND or Adept Emperor
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (M2AP at +600ft/s) or Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P AP) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)

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>>65247988
Now we're talking.

Ey yo Gilliam has the 5.5lb 9969 Level IV on mega blowout. $200 a plate down from about $500. Uses SiC-TiB2 ceramic from Adept, is also rated for 5.56 M995 tungsten AP.
https://www.gilliamarms.com/products/model-9969-lightweight-no-spall-multi-curve-ceramic-armor-plate
Either website mistake or they need these gone. 5.5lb is VERY light for SiC Level IV (the Hesco 4600 was shitting the bed at 6lb...) so this isn't a good sign, coupled with the fact the test reports show much heavier plates than what's presently being sold.

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>>65247970
No comment.

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>>65247970
>op pic
Nicely done.

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>>65248515
>>65248522
Nice lamp.
Pic unrelated I dunno what the fuck's going on with Gilliam but he's running deep discounts on almost all his shit. Would be a very good time to buy testing samples.
Also you can put purchases $200 or more on a 12-month payment plan with ShopPay at 15% interest. A pair of 9969s can be financed for about $36 a month. I don't understand why people would do that, but they do offer payment plans over in Ukraine for armor too (steel plates included) so I guess people are doing it.

Can you put lamps on 12 month payment plans?

>>65248564
>Can you put lamps on 12 month payment plans?
I can't discuss it for another 18 armor posts.

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This dude is seriously taking the loss bad on the 9969s. They were originally $500 a plate and he's selling them for over half off? Using exotic strike faces from Adept? TiB2 is expensive shit. The Archon shares the same strike face and is $580 a plate.
I'd say wave off from most of Gilliam until this gets figured out. 1023 and 8002 are probably okay since they're not on this mega sale, but IMO, this is giving me 4SAS4 flashbacks. Dude is sub-Militech on a lot of these prices and he's not a big-time Chinese factory able to work in bulk.

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>>65248589
Make that sixteen. HUDSONGUNNER still has 2014MCs in stock for $240 a set. He's being pretty fruity with that "IV+" designation. Per pic related the 2014G, which is literally just the single curve version of this, is strict Level IV. One shot M2AP and it's cooked. No special threat testing. If you want multi-hit from lesser rifle threats then spacing is gonna have to be real wide.
https://tacswap.com/post/6a18c6cc3ea71d1dc7d1f7b1

>>65247970
that man is big

>>65248515
How much did you pay for this? I bought like 4 Streamlight Siege minis 3-4 years ago for 30ish bucks each.

>>65250154
Based OP image
>>65247978
lmao at AMI. "YOUR CREDENTIALS... OR ELSE WE WON'T SELL THIS LEVEL IV PLATE!!!"

>>65250522
>DocGKR's favorite armor company.
Buddy, they won't even sell you the Level IIIA PE plate without at least a CCW permit.
You do apparently need to have uh like SUPER CREDENTIALS for that 12 hit Level IV.

>>65251063
>Buddy, they won't even sell you the Level IIIA PE plate without at least a CCW permit.
Legit. I won't even TALK to you without you showing me your ccw. Fucking pedestrians must walk!

>>65251139
But you're talking to me right now. That is UNEQUAL. Fucking pedestrians must be UNARMORED.

I just recently got into gear collecting i just bought my first battle belt a blue alpha battle belt lite but I need some pouches what do you guys recommend?

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>>65247970 (OP) #
I need some OEM floor mats for my Explorer but they only need to defeat rain and dirt.

>>65251292
condor
>but that's foor poors!!!!
battle tested.
>>65251500
walmart.com

>>65251691
>battle tested
is this another Ukraine meme?

>>65251292
esstac kywis or hsgi tacos for magazines
coyote tactical stomp or burrito ifak
dump pouch is optional

>>65251691
Haha, A2s FLOOR MATS are DEFEATED. Step up to AR500 floormats. Loser.

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>>65251176
>talking
IMNOTTALKINGTOYOU!

>>65251736
They aktsually use their gear and condor holds up fien
shiggity
diggity
>>65251921
unliftable

>>65248000
Can get this at dollar general

>>65251921
Steel is actually really good for ballistic shields, especially those subjected to harsh storage conditions and long service lives.
Change my mind.

>>65251691
LE surplus
New pouches (non-CHICOM)
Sneed

>>65252272
>non-chicom
>what is idogear, dmgear, militech, tactical raiders, and excellent elite spanker
SNEED

Just in from the CHADS at Botach Surplus. They have 213 hands-free soap dispensers, police trade (?), for under $15 a piece.
This is your rare chance to set up your own tactical sanitation station, Uvalde style!
https://surplus.botach.com/gp-enmotion-gen2-automated-touchless-soap-sanitizer-dispenser-brand-new-black-52057/

>>65251736
guys did tours in the gwot with condor gear

>>65252870
really throws the credit card commandos in a tizzy. You don't need to spend top dollah on every item to be effective.

>>65252471
Not a bad deal desu.
Our dealer cost for a similar Bradley dispenser is $25

>>65252885
>dealer cost
Sounds credential-blocked to me desu

>>65252879
a pouch is just a pouch
>MUH IR COMPLIANCE
not a thing, no one cares, you got grifted

hypebeasts who never did fuck all anywhere are a plague on the industry

Also Botach still has two Level III shields from Protech for $400 a pop. Shipping is about fifty bucks.
https://surplus.botach.com/protech-1936p-level-iii-police-shield-nato-tactical-ballistic-riot-shield-with-viewport-police-trade/

>>65252933
Even if it was a thing, if they're looking at you with NV they're looking at you with thermals. Good thermals are cheaper than good tubes. Stupid conversation started by people who went asshole into debt for gucci shit and now need to justify bad decisions.

>>65252944
>Good thermals are cheaper than good tubes. Stupid conversation started by people who went asshole into debt for gucci shit and now need to justify bad decisions.
Preach.

>>65252951
Daily reminder you can get a 640x512 60hz thermal from CHINA for under $1.5k.
https://oneleaf.ai/mars-mt1000lrf-thermal-riflescope.html
It's been over a year and I'm still pissed I got a used Burris 400x300 before this came out. Would have just kept saving. Ah well.

>>65252962
that is pretty cool..

>>65252982
You cannot beat the Chinese on value. They've got state subsidies and 9-9-6 brutal labor on their side.

This hobby makes broke men broker

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I'm putting together a Spetsnaz LARP kit, it will consist of an AK-103 and Glock-17.
Does anyone know what lights the various Spetsnaz Groups runs on their Glocks if any?

>>65253149
Also what holster do they use?

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Gear for this feel but modernized?

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>>65253264

>>65253264
>Gear for this feel but modernized
You mean gear for her tits? Cuz that's all I see.

>>65253264
>>65253316
I know that's you GB

>>65253264
Webbing over a flak vest? Just put modern pouches on it and ditch the flak vest for 3A soft armor or just got with a minimalist carrier and plates if you want to have something more useful than rentacop armor against doctors and engineers with handguns

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>>65251500
That fucking frog patch is the most devious thing of all. I literally rolled my eyes and felt physically sick and tired merely at the sight of it, meaning you'd have a momentary tactical advantage in a hypothetical situation.

Hi gearfags. I finally have an rpk, but the smersh rpk rig seems nonexistant now. I've seen some insanely priced double 40 round pouches shipping from Ukraine, and then there are the comblock surplus which won't work on modern lbe.
I want to stay belt/lbe style for prone, with pouches that fully enclose the top of the mag for dirt protection.
Has anyone seen good options post 3 day smo?
For reference I live mountain rural, use a sadf battle jacket for 556, don't wear plates since movement>all in this environment.

>>65253980
>don't wear plates since movement>all in this environment.
Don't sleep on ultralight PE plates. They're unsuitable for urban because of the M855 problem, but mountain rural sounds like hunting rifles and a pair of Hesco 3801s would weigh sub-4lb (assuming you're a 10x12) and stop most rounds there easy.
If you can't swing that scratch, Gilliam Helions or Militech RF1.
>>65253827
If you're only up against basic handgun threats, soft is preferable to hard armor due to the coverage advantage.

>>65254045
Thanks I'll check those out. I used to have esapi but was stolen in a move, and still have 3a soft.
On a doctrinal aspect I think armor is only a high factor when you have friends and access to fast trauma medical. In a situation where I'd want armor, a leg/shoulder/gut shot would be just as fatal as vitals, but slower. My world is vertical and full of concealment and hard cover so I try to max mobility.

>>65254127
>On a doctrinal aspect I think armor is only a high factor when you have friends and access to fast trauma medical.
On the contrary, stopped shots to a good plate basically don't count provided BFD is low enough. Lower the BFD, the better the odds you'll be able to ignore the hit. People in Ukraine are rolling deep in high coverage soft armor because the medical situation is shit and frag is heavy.
>In a situation where I'd want armor, a leg/shoulder/gut shot would be just as fatal as vitals, but slower
Can't armor everything, especially on a tight weight budget.
>My world is vertical and full of concealment and hard cover so I try to max mobility.
Maybe the Hesco 3801LV (thinned, will go over 44mm backface deformation absent soft armor. Actual "needs soft armor to even do its job" version also exists so confirm in writing with vendor which one you're getting) or the upcoming ULWSAPI (3x 7.62x39 MSC at up to 62mm BFD, weighs about a pound standalone) may be more suitable.
The cool guy plate is the 0.52" thick, 4.1lb VelSys PBZSA good for 7.62x51mm M80 / M855A1 / BZ API but it has a thin backer, weak multi-hit, and because of said thin backer can probably be brute forced by a .300 winmag or similar.

>>65254191
Thanks for the effort post anon. Looking at ukraine for parallels is good. I'll check these plates out.
>7.62x51mm M80 / M855A1 / BZ API
My threat profile is browns fleeing a collapsing denver with dracos or 55grn ball out of a 10.5". I'm a backcountry surveyor so my terrain knowledge and conditioning is pretty unrivaled and that's the crutch I'm leaning on.
What do you think thermal scope or plates first? I already have cans.

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ISO pouch recommendation
2 molle column
Needs to be able to hold 1L nalgene, but also can work well as a magazine pouch, so quick access IE hook loop top flap with pouch body short enough to result in exposed mags. Perhaps adjustable retention so it can be sized down for mags when not carrying water.
I'm considering this, but interested in other options:
https://www.beezcombatsystems.com/products/universal-mag-pouch?variant=43926609658103

Goal is to replace the ATS Upright 2 column GPs I've got at the 2 and 10 o clock position on the belt rig. The ATS pouches work well for 1L nalgenes putting water and weight on the front of the rig, but being zip clamshell pouches they're obviously not good for mags. I want the pouches in that position to be flexible for either mags or water, picture related.

>>65254361
>My threat profile is browns fleeing a collapsing denver with dracos or 55grn ball out of a 10.5"
So 7.62x39mm MSC is in play, because draco. Are you positive they aren't using green tip (M855) at all? It's popular on social media with "ARP Americans" and will generally give most all-PE plates trouble. You have some wiggle-room since velocity will be low out of a 10.5" but, general rule of thumb, you cannot trust a Hesco to exceed its rating. Many of their plates are lightest-in-category for a reason. There are all-PE plates which stop M855 (LTC 24855, Combat Systems RF2, SAS Spectra prototype) but they're rare as hell, heavier, and often credential blocked. Probably better with 3811LVs or similar with a ceramic strike face.
If it's just 55gr you're good.
>What do you think thermal scope or plates first? I already have cans.
Survivability onion says thermal scope. Don't get detected (by virtue of detecting the enemy first) comes before don't be penetrated.

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And now time for the other side of the plate autism spectrum, away from sub-2lb PE plates that lose to M855. I updated the Chinese plate infographic with the EDUN Tactical "NIJ-IV+++" on Taobao. Commercially available SiC+PE Chinese plate, 1.44" thick / 8.8lb for a 10x12, rated for 1x 12.7x108mm B-32 API at 2,722ft/s with 50-meter standoff.
Price is apparently $1,020/set. This is the only not-credential-blocked-to-hell .50 AP-rated plate available. It's untested but the numbers check out on paper.
Credit goes to the Taobao master anon for finding it.

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I want to buy zentico gear.
does anyone know if zenitco.ru ships to the united states?

>>65255156
>Credit goes to
Very gentlemanly and respectful. Noted, props.

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>>65253473
DMGEAR can help with that.

>>65255390
Apparently not, but you could hypothetically in minecraft coordinate with a freight forwarding service to run it through turkey or west africa.

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>>65255390
Man this is just what I need. A thermal scope with a TV screen on the end so I can leave it on at my house and people will think I'm watching black and white The Seven Samurai (1954).

>>65255406
could I get in trouble with the moderators for doing this? Especially if I'm a member of a military server?

>>65255424
The admins stationed Iron Golems at the ports to detect goods from the Russian faction. The Chinese faction, the Jammers, led by XXXDipswitchXXX and PhillyFent6969, have minecart tracks to get around the golems and get directly to the villagers, but they're secret and you need to be invited to join their faction.
Otherwise you will need a runner from Turkey to disguise the Zenitco diamond pickaxe as a chicken jockey so it can slip past the golems, but you might get caught and BANNED.

>>65255441
>you will need a runner from Turkey
Protip, 'Midnight Express' is NOT a good first date movie night.

>>65255457
I prefer Year of the Dragon. First movie with a deagle in it. Chinese actress has a nice tush. Captain White is based. Alternatively, Black Rain.
The trick is to bring the woman home first so you can show her your 12" laserdisc and THEN watch the movie and THEN show her your 12" laserdick.

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What exactly am I looking at here?

>>65255482
P365 in a flux kit and something horrendous tasting

>>65255482
a P365 in a flux chassis

>>65255482
famas

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I attempted to research the Protech 2240 and all it led back to was here.

test

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>>65255548
testing

>>65255482
White trash emulating nigger culture.

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>>65255554
>IN NEWWWW YOOOOOORK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6IJ58utKTA

>>65255482
>GFR
Based.

What are /gq/ approved energy drinks? I like the monster rehab lemonade and the orange creamsicle, plus the coconut red bvll.

>>65255676
Instant, Type II

>>65255688
Based but uh what else

>>65251591
Any update on the .50 cal breaching jet thing? Also interested in what anon was asking about with the electric breaching tool question.

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>>65255696
I don't know, I only drink coffee and lemon ginger lemon grass tea. Energy drinks are poison anon.
>>65255700
Hey that was me. I too am still interested in electronic breaching tools.

>>65255676
OG green monster only acceptable answer
white monster is for faggots

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I think Highcom got hacked. I went to look at their rifle rated armor and they got four articles about online casinos.
https://www.highcomarmor.com/rifle-rated-armor/
https://www.highcomarmor.com/lucky-days-casino-erfahrungen-sicherheitsguide-fur-deutsche-spieler/
https://www.highcomarmor.com/pinco-online-kazino-n-populyar-slot-oyunlari/
https://www.highcomarmor.com/najlepsze-bonusy-i-sloty-w-polskim-kasynie-online-2/
https://www.highcomarmor.com/najlepsze-bonusy-i-sloty-w-polskim-kasynie-online/

Or is this how they're keeping afloat after the 4SAS4 disaster? Honestly makes Hesco seem like honorable dudes even after they fucked Anon in the ass two threads ago with the out-of-spec 3811s.

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>>65255733
>white monster is for faggots
You are BANNED from ever buying plates from Gilliam Arms, formerly Gilliam Technical Services, descended from John Guillium the Rouge Croix Pursuivant of Arms in Ordinary, a junior officer of arms under the English College of Arms.

>>65255676
Celsius is nice

test

>>65255730
Performative and insanely gay. Your honey comes in a plastic container the microplastics have already made you a gigantic faggot.

>>65255547
>Cops have to suck dick

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>>65255786
UNEQUAL

>>65255786
credential blocked dicks?

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>>65255805
Dicks and ladders

>>65255676
Coffee, strong and black. Like my women.

>>65255676
Ghost OG hits hardest plus I like the lemon taste. Not so much their other flavors. Monster is alright, mid. Celsius is overrated and the flavors are mostly nasty. Redbull is good but weak. Mostly drink it for nostalgia. Bang is alright but only meant for drinking in desperate times. I do not enjoy the current trend of making them very sweet. Go birds.

>>65255736
That's actually hilarious considering those blog casino post go back to last year. Honestly the 4sas4 should have been way bigger of scandal than it was. I just think buff could have done more to prove the plates were faulty. Highcom really didn't suffer because of it and reddit still loves rma.
>>65255760
Thanks.

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>>65255837
>Redbull is good but weak
Yeah I can seriously slam that shit and it doesn't budge me. Need two to get a buzz.
>Bang is alright
that's the real hard shit. They make stronger energy drinks in South America and around Thailand than that, but rarely here in CONUS.
>>65255850
>That's actually hilarious considering those blog casino post go back to last year
Might have been backdated.
>Honestly the 4sas4 should have been way bigger of scandal than it was
Nobody died. If a cop or even just a regular dude died wearing a 4SAS4 and it was because of the plate failing against a rated round, 100% Highcom would have been done in like Second Chance was in '03. I think people nowadays are more visceral than they were back then. Reaction would be nasty. Thousands of people were sold those shitplates and they were told they were basically just the 4SAS7 but with a different name. Apex probably would have needed to skip town.
I mean, shit, RMA dude got doxxed and death threats because he sold a pair of 1093s to Gendron and they barely played a role in the Tops shooting. An expired IIIA vest from a department trash can would have done the same.
>I just think buff could have done more to prove the plates were faulty
He didn't wanna lose that affiliate money and for some reason he's scared as shit of bogus legal threats. Is there something that would come up in discovery?
>Highcom really didn't suffer because of it and reddit still loves rma.
1. Highcom's still a penny stock. Rumor has it Chase Tactical lost millions because of the first Buff vid. They would still be producing 4SAS4s to this day if that didn't happen.
2. Reddit surprisingly doesn't if you stop counting four dudes that post daily, one of which is a literal RMA employee who runs defense everywhere. Other people ho-hum and go along because they don't want to lose their updoots.
3. If RMA dude had legit arguments, he'd be running defense here. Why is he MIA? He's on almost every other forum.

>>65255743
kek

>>65255760
microplastics are overblown the research teams were retarded and tainted all their samples

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>>65255730
>I too am still interested in electronic breaching tools.
I too dream of breaching reinforced crack castles with doorframes made of welded train track.

>>65255925
>Nuh uh dude, there's no microplastics in me. My dick is just small cuz I was born that way

>>65255918
I wish they made stronger. Have to get the double espresso coffee then chase it with the energy drink.
>side topic
Know anything about ratchet style competition belts? Ie kore/others? Looking for something fairly lightweight that doesn’t rely on belt loops/velcro. Think like an Alice belt.

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>>65255922
>>65255918
Alright. RMA 1155 (old version) versus the Caliber AV2 steel plate in pic related. I don't even like steel but I honestly think the AV2 could be the better overall call.
1. Lighter by 0.8lb.
2. Half as thick so it conceals easier. They're both multi-curve.
3. The 1155 loses to two 7.62x51mm and it's done that twice now (other time in some gun rag article). The AV2 can handle a boatload because it's steel.
4. Steel plates produce lower BFD generally.
5. Steel plates do not give two shits about shot spacing unless they're overhardened and brittle. The RMA 1155 shits the bed if shots are too close, as ceramics do.
6. RMA 1155 is not required to work if it is dropped more than two times from four feet with a 10lb weight on the back. AV2 can be dropped ten, twenty, forty, sixty times.
7. The AV2 has a polyshield spall coating which is UNEQUALLY effective.
8. The RMA 1155 has a standing NIJ permanent removal and cannot be trusted to stop M2AP for UNRESOLVED SAFETY CONCERNS, thereby making its extra protection over the AV2 moot!
9. They both stop M855A1 at 3,000ft/s.
10. I asked Neetmaster like two months ago to find one example of M2AP being used in a shooting in the US. He hasn't found shit.

>>65255972
>Know anything about ratchet style competition belts?
Not really my scene. Only thing I know about them is that people running VR-80s in shotgun competitions love em.

>>65255936
>projecting about your micropeen
telling on yourself, but you can look into it they kept contaminating the samples because of the gloves they wore and what not

the guy who tried to purge lead out of his lab decades ago and taught everyone about lead contamination did proper work unlike these charlatans

>>65255973
>They're both multi-curve.
Self correction, the old RMA 1155 had a multi-curve version but the 1155 we dunk on is SINGLE-CURVE, which is INFERIOR to the Caliber AV2. Hah!

>>65255983
>Nuh uh dude, I don't have a small penis, you're projecting about YOUR small penis *sips lemon tea ginger tea*

>>65256009
>>65255983
Sirs this is an autistic wendy's

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>>65256009
>doesn't do his own research

>>65256024
>Nuh uh dude trust me. My dick is small because of genetics

>>65256024
This man thinks about beans and ar750 super hard steel from MITCHELL & SONS aka TACTICAL SCORPION FRONTING AS A POP AND SON SMALL BIZNESS

>>65256033
I wonder if a mom and pop style gun store has ever tried to make their own body armour

>>65256031
you really love thinking about penises

>>65256039
The TAC joint which made those 14lb Level IV steel plates back in the day?
Back during the Obummer years there was a shitload of popup shops selling steel plates. Inevitably some of those were mom and pops.

I see nobody has risen to the RMA 1155's defense against a literal who steel plate.
That's actually really sad. Mr. Waldrop named his company after his three daughters and this is the defense. He put his heart and soul into the 1155's "polyethylene composite" backer... and he gets nothing?
I'mma pour one out for the 1155. :(

>>65256071
that's kinda neat actually
thanks for the lore

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>>65254390
Bump please

This one looks eh because it doesn't result in enough exposed magazine for a quick reliable draw during a reload.
https://www.arctictechnicalgear.com/product/hybrid-nalgene-pouch-v2

>>65256095
https://carcajoutactical.com/en-us/products/recce-mag-pouch?variant=41117002236037

Here. The 7.62 pouches will hold a 1 liter nalgene and 3 5.56 mags.

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>>65256083
Far as I'm aware the Level IV steel plates worked, they were just obnoxiously heavy and spalled. 12 pounds bare, 14lb with coat.
For comparison, ceramic plates that legitimately stop .50 caliber APs are between 8.8-9.25lb using modern SiC-PE layups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYXD6jNYx1M
>the lore
Couple of things that caused it.
1. NIJ requirements never had a real drop test prior to 0101.06 in 2008, so you could have plates that fall on concrete one time and are no longer effective. Ex, Highcom 4SAS4's original single curve version was legitimately 0101.04 certified in '08.
2. The above issue caused a shitload of partially-true, partially-false fuddlore that ceramics are ridiculously fragile.
2A. It's a little known fact that by-the-book Level IVs are single strike only, and people have reported penetrating cheap, basic IVs by just putting two M855 in a 4" circle or similar. You can see similar with the ~8.3lb RMA 1155 in >>65255918, albeit with 7.62x51mm FMJ at 100 meter standoff.
3. Steel plates legitimately do not give two fucks if you run them over with a truck or throw them out the window of said truck onto the freeway at 80 miles per hour. They do not give a shit if you stack hits directly on top of eachother, unless they're over-brittle.
4. Ergo all the survivalists shitting their pants that Obummer was gonna collapse the US were buying steel.
5. This created a powerful market which spawned AR500 themselves, because steel plates are extremely cheap.
Then by about ~2013 people started to realize ceramics certified to 0101.06 are actually fairly resilient if you don't treat them like shit and steel started to lose ground due to the spall issues, various quality control scandals, REALLY shady marketing, shills, etc.
6. Little known fact. Steel is still a plurality of plates sold to civilians in the US. The survivalist mentality hasn't subsided and they have genuinely improved over time, although spall is still shit and they weigh too much.

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>>65255918
Also I did a quick pixel count and if you assume the plate is legitimately 10x12, the spacing between shots #1 and #2 is about 3", so that was a fair hit and the RMA 1155 had no excuse losing to that second hit of Tulammo. Every single Level III plate has to stop six 7.62x51mm M80 with 51mm (2") minimum spacing inside the 6x8" "fair hit box", and without 100 meter standoff. An 8.3lb plate failed less than a third of that.

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