Are the NZDFZ the most pathetic member of five eyes and the anglosphere militaries?>1/3 of service members left since covid>1/3 of ships they haven't sunk docked because no crew>hundreds of civilian jobs cut because they couldn't afford it>no air force (out of choice) since the 2000s
>>65248556Why doesn't New Zealand just ask Australia if they could combine their defense budgets and armed forces?
They cant afford a military that would be of any significant value against their main strategic aggressor, and their allies would necessarily come to bat for them in any confrontation, so why try?
>Why does an island of 5 million people halfway across the world from pretty much any adversary with no real geopolitical threats due to distance not have a vast militaryGee idk.
>>65248570NZs main role used to be keeping the pacific and polynesia in check
>>65248556Yeah, because they're the true ZOG. Don't believe me, look up how many "doomsday bunkers" are being built there.
>>65248560Considering a not insignificant portion of the ADF are new zealanders who migrated for better pay, and the sheer cost involved with bringing the NZDF up to ADF standards, I dont see why they would ever agree to that.
>>65248572You shouldn't pretend you're a big boy and ask to get included in exercises when you've let your military become barely functional. The US offered to sell them cheap F-16s and they pulled out of a deal, no more air force (other than ancient transport planes)
>>65248556>no air force (out of choice) since the 2000sNah they had 3 planes I thought
>>65248556>Are the NZDFZ the most pathetic member of five eyes and the anglosphere militaries?Yes. Slow invasion by Homo Sapiens 1.52 a race of genetically engineered technocrats from Antarctica since 2016 has steady weakened the New Zealand economy as they flooded the county with counterfeit currencies(mostly Euros). Each has been born with all of Adolf Hitlers memories, they do not fear death as they have the memories of both of Adolf Hitlers deaths, both 1945 and in 1962 when he was revived from cryogenic sleep to debrief the Demeurge before being ritualistically dismembered in a mason ceremony.
>>65248596Just the Hercules which are being replaced and some helicopters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disbandment_of_the_RNZAF_air_combat_force
>>65248556NZ bro's do you guys have the same problem with Australia in joining defence?>Apply for defence>Defence outsources recruitment process>12 - 24 month wait to fucking join, defence is screaming for more people
>>65248572What a profoundly Reddit reply
>>65249032I wouldn't know i got rejected for having autism. True story.
>>65248556america is the only five eyes member worth a shit, the only reason the other members are a part of it is because they let us put our collections equipment in their country>service members>ships>air forcefive eyes is an intelligence conglomerate, none of that shit matters in the slightest
>>65248612Damn. Well I find myself in the fortunate position to be one of the last people to see a kiwi rounder on a vertical stabilizer because I saw one of those planes sitting at landing strip in Auckland back in 2018. Wish I could have jumped out of it too.
>>65249145You sure that it was an air force one? Our military has a habit of selling its obsolete stuff off. They sold all of our L1A1s to gun owners here. Could have been private owned
>>65249144I think op is only using the term as a synonym for Britain or former British colony whose culture and/or people are mostly descended from theirs to talk about their militaries.
>>65249152>You sure that it was an air force one? No. Trump still owned both of those at the time
>>65249155lel But seriously though our army sells everything off, I'm sure there are some bargains. I think we're replacing all of our unimogs so if you want one you're in luck
>>65249158Couldn’t say. Saw it for a few seconds and someone (burger or noozy) told me they only had three planes in their whole military. Never rode in one so I Had to jump off your bridge instead.
>>65248556New Zealand is basically Ireland 2.0 when it comes to defense
>>65249181Surprisingly accurate comparison.
>the vvest is over!!Did another refinery get hit?
If NZ offered transfers to British military personnel, service in exchange for citizenship sort of deal, they could be fully manned all the time. They did use to offer some sort of exchange programme but stopped it years ago.The thing is, New Zealand doesn't care about having a military so it doesn't have one.>>65248560They already do, ANZAC is the two combined and they share citizenship.
>>65251006Yeah. Pretty much. It's realism plus fatalism. If an enemy military managed to get to NZ in large numbers over the 10,000 km of ocean, then realistically there's nothing NZ can do to stop them, other than mount a guerilla resistance campaign.
>>65252482It's not about self defense it's about being militarily capable to support our allies. NZ used to punch far above our weight with our infantry
>>65248591>The US offered to sell them cheap F-16s and they pulled out of a dealNew Zealand, like many of the Euros, foolishly bought into the "end of history" narrative at the start of the 21st century.
/k/ - Weapons
>>65248556why have a military, its not like nz would ever actuality defend its self.
>>65248572As >>65249072 already said thats (God forgive me) a very reddit way of thinking. A military is not just an arm of the state, it is the proof that a people intend to remain one.
>>65253201Same could be said about Ukraine circa 2008. Disarming because you have no enemies is a great way of creating enemies.
>>65248570>and their allies would necessarily come to bat for them in any confrontation,>he doesn't know
>>65253190You'll be a janny one day
>>65248591If you only have 1/14the the population of even local powers, there is only so much you can do.>>65249072>>65253258Pointing out the lack of a military threat to new zealand is not reddit you spastics.There is such thing as softpower, as a minute nation hardpower has less value because any navy you own is going to be deleted the instant anything got happens. You might win against reasonable powers that have other priorities that don't enjoy unneccesary killing like the UK vs Iceland in the cod wars, but if someone wants you taken over or blockaded the best thing you can do is be thorny and have good allies at best.You keep a strong enough force against similar sized issues, maybe own some forces to keep local coup d'état away and enough force to disuade a few Chinese Fishermen and you're golden.A modern small nation force will be drone based, the old frigate style force is dead.Also noone cares about new zealand, and that is taken into account when it comes to defence spending. The only reason they have what they have is it was conditional for larger protective agreements with the USA and Europe.
>>65248556New Zealand has never been an Independent small nation. The Trans Tasman "Partnership" gave the Kiwis a new benefactor to replace the British Empire. They have no interest in making the sacrifices other small nations make to defend themselves.
>>65253262Ukraine was forced to get disarmed by its enemies since getting independence. It's not similar in the slightest.
>>65253770They agreed to disarm in exchange for US security assurances, its exactly the same. Unless youre implying the US is an enemy, in which case eat shit.>>65253612>enough force to disuade a few Chinese Fishermen and you're golden.Which you cannot do. The Argentinians sunk some chink ships and their waters are still getting raped, no chinaman is going to be phased by your two frigates and two patrol boats.
>>65253190>militaries aren't weapons related
>>65252488So did the UK, South Africa, and Rhodesia.
>>65253820>The Argentinians sunk some chink ships and their waters are still getting raped,Clearly, the problem is not enough chink ships are getting blown out of Argentinean waters.
I hate kiwiggers so much it's unreal
>>65253612>There is such thing as softpowernew zealand doesn't have any>as a minute nation hardpower has less valuedoesn't have any of that either>any navy you own is going to be deletedcan't maintain its eec against chinese fishermen>maybe own some forces to keep local coup d'état away couldn't stop that in fiji>and enough force to disuade a few Chinese Fishermen and you're golden.can't do that>A modern small nation force will be drone based, the old frigate style force is dead.max retard take. >Also noone cares about new zealandnew zealand doesn't care about new zealand is the actual situation.
>>65249144Bong intel is still valuableThey called the Russian invasion before the US did iirc
>>65255897When was that? And when did US intelligence call it? What factors led to these decisions?Just wondering how the 5eyes intel giants do it.Because from the POV of a small nation who understands Russia's methods but doesn't have spies up Putin's ass, the question was simply "is this maskirovka or not?"And one simple factor decided that question. The answer came pretty late into the military buildup, but before US started publicly warning about the invasion.
>>65255869>new zealand doesn't care about new zealand is the actual situation.Yep. People sometimes talk about the UK being less a country and more an economic zone, which leads to utter apathy in the public in terms of defence; and that may be true, but its so much more of new zealand.
