Hello frens, I am trying to figure out a shtf gun. I am not exactly a weapon enthusiast, in fact apart from my dad's Glocks and a few experiences at shooting ranges with rental AR15s and AKs I have no experience at all. Right now I have narrowed it down to either a zastava m90 or m70. They're cheap, reliable, and easy to clean. Im not interested in the bullshit about specs and a weight difference of 1-2 pounds. I've shot both 762 and 556 AKs and although I like the the 762 version better and think 762 is better in every way apart from weight/recoil (which I wouldn't think I would be a problem as I would need less bullets for hunting deer as well as self defense). I am leaning towards an AK in 556 just because of the fact that America imports the vast majority of its 762 ammunition and if shit hits the fan whatever I have stocked up is likely what I will get and I will not be able to scavenge 762 like I will be able to take 556 from other people and shops/homes. I liked the AKs because I was basically able to figure out how to use it at the range just from my experience playing video games and the range supervisor was even nice enough to show me how to take it apart to clean it, it was basically like putting together legos to me. It was really easy to handle and I was able to hit every bullet I shot square in the head or chest on the target from the maximum range they had which was about 50 meters. Im planning on getting one in 556 but does anyone have any other ideas that are just as reliable/easy to maintain before I do? The only other gun that I was considering is a ruger mini14 but I have yet to shoot one. Im not really concerned about fancy specs or optics as I just want something that's reliable and does what it needs to if shtf. My plan if society collapses is to drive from the midwest down to the south and set up camp in Appalachia and live off of deer and rabbits and avoid other people as much as possible.
>>6525288950 feet* not meters
ultimately, do whatever YOU want, but I'd recommend an AR. they are reliable and not that hard to maintain, plus you get something you can change in the future if you want to.
>>65252914Do you like your WASR 10? The guy at the range recommended I get that or the zastava. I didn't like the AR when I shot it at a different range because of the kick but I was told it was an SBR when I rented it so that may be why
>>65252929it's fine. it's over gassed to hell and the Zastava is probably a better rifle, but the WASR can take normal AK furniture.>I was told it was an SBR when I rented it so that may be whyyeah, that's probably it. my ARs are pretty soft shooting.
>>65252943Thank you fren. I like your Colt my uncle has a similar one I believe
>>65252889>My plan if society collapses is to drive from the midwest down to the south and set up camp in AppalachiaWhy?
>>65252950thanks, and let us know what you end up getting. if it's an AK you can post it in /akg/ if it's an AR, than /arg/.
>>65252889>>65252929Honestly speaking I'd learn more and shoot more, a lot of the niggly details people love to obsess over here aren't relevant and if you don't see yourself hiking in country with the thing I wouldn't worry about much beyond general reliability and shoot ability as priority. IK you said you don't care about optics and I was this way too, but sometimes your mind will change when you get some trigger time on them. If you are really deciding between the to I would go with the M90 for ammo reasons, yes the WASR takes standard AK furniture but if you want to actually shoot and feed the thing the cheapest most ubiquitous ammo will always be your friend
>>65252889You will buy both an AK and AR eventually, but I would recommend buying the Zastava M70 now since it’s an import and subject to price and availability fluctuations more than ARs which are always gonna be on the market.
>>65252889>big long-winded post with practical considerations>is getting an AKyou're a fucking retarded nigger, AKs are just simply impractical compared to ARs these days, are more expensive, and are basically just range toys in the US. Which is fine, but if that's what you want, say so, instead of trying to justify an expensive import with a bunch of random bullshit rationalizations.
>>65252889The best SHTF gun is a Ruger 10/22>lightweight>you can carry x10 the ammo of a larger caliber>can be used for small game and as an anti-nigger rifle>ammo is light and cheap enough that you can carry multiple bricks that you can trade for smokes/booze/food>in a SHTF scenario you if you're in a shootout you're likely already dead, so caliber doesn't matter>can take large capacity magsThat said, I've owned both M90s, ARs, and 7.62x39 AKs. Of the three, get an AR. It's got the advantages of the 10/22 except it takes the same mags as the military & police, it's lighter than the M90, and it shares spare parts with the same rifle that military & police will have
>>65253012lot of guys in the gwot found the 7.62 puts dicks in the dirt while 5.56 zippy boys go right through a skinny and he's still going until you shoot him 5 more times
>>65253079Because GWOT niggers weren't running 20 inch barrels which are the absolute best for getting proper velocity for the best tissue damage. All those short M4 carbine barrels really sapped their energy.
>>65252952Midwest cold in winter. I am from michigan. Detroit Lansing and Grand Rapids are full of animals who will kill you over a Big Mac and society hasn't even collapsed yet. If I don't move to Appalachia I would go to Florida. I like the mountains and nature.>>65252966>>65252999I think I am getting AK sometime this month>>65252998I don't have much experience but my aim is good. I am very bad at reloading and aiming quickly. I have shot a gun with an optic once but I did not like it bc I could not focus on my peripheral vision and the scope at the same time. Maybe that's just because I probably have adhd lol>>65253012Yes, but I like inside AK. Press button, open, move big spring, and everything else slide out. Easy. I also liked the metro games and the funny Russians saying big bitch and it reminds me of that. Artyom would call you big bitch.
>>65253090And yet AR-15s just keep getting recommended in shorter and shorter lengths.
>>65252889Seconding the anon who recommended a Zastava, by the way. They're a really good company and thankfully their aftermarket options are improving.
>>65253064I like this
>>6525309011.5 and 14 is literally the standard for ARsyou are retarded
>>65253104Is your impression that the people of Appalachia or Florida will welcome you with open arms as you drive into their land while the country is collapsing?
>>65252889>SHTF>Choose heavier, less popular ammo
>>65252889Forget about AKs, get an AR-15 due wide availability of parts and due to fact that even in a SHTF scenario, it will be easier to find gunsmiths capable of servicing your AR-15 than a Zastava AK.
>>65253155Absolutely not. But Detroit would be worse
>>65252889>They're cheap, reliable, and easy to cleanAs are the ARs. An AK is just as easy to clean as an ARBest piece of advice that anyone can ever really give you is to find out what types of ammo thats common around where you live. If its 556/223 than get an AR platform of your choosing. However since it seems that your deadset on a 556 AK than feel free to get that instead. Just be mindful that an AKs 556 is not the same as an ARs 556. Another thing would be to familiarize yourself with the operations of your gun(s) and start training your marksmanship as well.
>>65253161hey anon SOMEONE has to be a loot pinata
>>65253143Because they prioritized comfort of entering an exiting vehicles over that round velocity.The standard procedure is to call air support and wait for that so it barely mattered to them from a doctrinal stance whether their rounds were maximally effective or not.
>>65253228>comfortnigger the moment of loading/unloading infantry in combat is the most vulnerable for both the vehicle and crew, those seconds fucking count, and if you have 12 guys with 20 inch barrels, well, it ain't going as quick
>>65252889Just get it in 7.62x39 my man
Something in NATO calibers (Or a caliber you can stack at least 4-5k rounds of and sit on) that you've got zeroed and can reliably hit targets within 300 meters is all you need for a SHTF gun. Really all you'd need is a 9mm handgun in a proper SHTF scenario because in the United States we wouldn't have a total societal collapse but rather temporary surges of crime and violence from other civilians with basic guns, almost none will have body armor.
>>65253104Don’t go to Florida. There are plenty of animals down there as well. The “normal” people who live there are absolutely scummy. The women are money grubbing whores on another level. Don’t do it. The cold may suck but there’s something about it that repels the low tier demons.>>65253079Can confirm. We only went out at night so I would have liked something with maybe less range but more ass behind it.Personally OP I say get something in 7.62 or .308. Don’t sweat the kick. You get used to it with practice.
>>6525307930 cal full rifle cartridge fire is also way scarier to hear coming at you than 22 cal rifle fire. AR-15 is oh shit Im getting shot at, AR-10 is oh fuck what is that.
>>65253090Many were actually. Early on. Door kicking shit. Then they switched to 14.5 and still were drilling toweled foreheads at 400yds. But the thread is shtf and as always: carrying and buying more rounds is best for someone without a logistics company supplying them in hot zones
>>65253831>wanting blue helmets to get the last laughNah when I get smeared all im dropping is .224 Valkyrie and 9mm Dillon
AKs (7.62, 5.45 both) and ARs are comparable rifles. Problem is in the post-2010s era is that in the United States ammunition for AKs is scarcer. If you have a garage/cellar full of 7.62, 5.45 and don't have to worry about ammunition for them, fine. It used to be back in the 1980s-2000s you didn't have to worry about ammunition supply for either type of rifle. For basic hunting, live off of the land look for a bolt action rifle. Also have one or two .22LR rimfire rifles (bolt or semiauto), they're cheap and commonly available.
>>6525288920" AR-15
>>65253079>>65253090This was actually two different problems with the M4 and 5.56 cartridge. The first issue that was famously documented in the “Black Hawk Down” incident was that the M855 green tip penetrator cartridge would poke tiny holes in enemies without slowing them down or causing grievous wounds (same problem with the Krag rifle during the Moro Wars in the Philippines nearly a century earlier). The second problem is that 5.56 itself has such a lightweight projectile that it loses its momentum very quickly due to air resistance. So while it does have a flatter trajectory than 7.62x39, it does not maintain its energy as well out to extended ranges- especially when fired from the M4’s shorter barrel vs the M16’s.
>>6525288922lr revolver and spend the rest on ammo, storable food, water storage/filtration and some good books so you can kill funnel anyone who tries to ransack your apartment while you wait for all the other retards to starve/shit themselves to death/dehydrate/kill each other until your regional disruption blows over.>It won't blow overMad max shit won't happen, that's way more work than just rebuilding society and human nature is lazy. Repeat above instructions x100 with the addition of some spices and a penthouse.
>>65258927>7.62 mininugget>not famous for ice picking
>>65252889get AR15, like S&W or PSA
>>65252889literally any rifle that takes cartirdges so long as it works, you have ammo, and know how to use it
>>65253104Fellow Michigander here, the WASR is the best 7.62x39 rifle you can get for the price. I love Aks and they are my main rifle of choice. But for actual SHTF in the USA I would suggest an AR15 URGI upper with whatever lower you want and a ta31 acog.As for being out in nature you will find none in Florida and little in the Appalachians. Florida is a concrete hell and sprawl has made the Appalachian mountains feel crowded even when the population is not actually that high. Northern Michigan has far better nature than most other eastern states.
>>65258927>poke tiny holes in enemies without slowing them down or causing grievous wounds (same problem with the Krag rifle during the Moro Wars in the Philippines nearly a century earlier).>220 grain round nose 30 cal at 2000 fpsKrag slander will not be tolerated. Especially blatant falsehoods.That was never an issue with the Krag. You're thinking of the M1892 service revolver which was in 38 long colt. The Krag, and 30 army by extension are fine weapons, just outclassed in a military context by the contemporary mauser rifle and cartridge designs.The Krag is a beautiful smooth capsule mag that however doesn't lend itself well to stripper clip loading, and it's an expensive design to produce.The cartridge had plenty of stopping power, it just had a rainbow trajectory from the heavy round nose bullet, and was rimmed instead of rimless.A 150gr fmj boat tail wouldve upped muzzle velocities to 2500-2600 fps would've made it much flatter shooting. The 30-40 is incredibly similar to the 303 British ballistacaly, which has been well regarded for terminal performance through its extensive service life, which began also as a lower velocity heavy bullet and then got lighter and pointier as people learned new shit and is literally the same energy as 308 out of a 16-18" barrel which is the new hot shit heavy hitter.The United States wanted to up the power and pressure rather than going to a smaller bore with a spitzer to gain the flat shooting characteristics that the Spanish 7mm mausers had.30-40 has more energy than 6.5 sweede, the chambering that the sweedish put into the krag which's smaller bore and lighter spitzer bullets could be propelled faster with flatter trajectories and was beloved. The 30-40 is more than capable of downing large creatures like elk which it even held the record for decades for and moose, and bears
