>a true warrior needs no weapon>t. annoying japanese guy from BO1seriously though, I had a ninja phase when I was a pup (as you do) and managed to get my 3rd degree black before I actually got in a fight, and ended getting my ass fed to me. the only thing from karate class I ended up actually using successfully later on was the stance. share your thoughts on the various forms of kung fu /k/, and convince me it isn't all fake (good luck). Your body is a weapon but not if you use unrealistic 80s dance moves.....
>>65256217Martial arts is only good to make you fit and to learn the limits of your limbs and body. The best fighting stance is always the 100 m sprint. You only fight if cornered or surrounded. The better martial arts also teach armed combat, usually with a knife, dagger or baton. Overall, grappling martial arts are better than striking types. Grappling plus knife can get you out of tight spots. Again, running away is the best.
>>65256217>convince me it isn't all fakeIt's all fake, boxing and wrestling are useful, the rest is stop mall garbage peddled by thirdies to the first world. It's all only good for sport and will only get you injured or killed in a real fight. I suggest reading "all in fighting" by William Fairbairn, it's essentially a street fighting/dirty fighting manual. It really cuts the fat and keeps the brutality required to be effective at defending yourself from potential threats.
>>65256271>It's all fake, boxing and wrestling are useful, the rest is stop mall garbage peddled by thirdies to the first world.What about boxing, with kick, knee, and elbow?
>>65256289Vid unrelated I guess
>>65256217Eat a dick grasshopper, the true weaponless warrior dies to the armed false warrior every time
>>65256217Bushido means to slaughter the chinks in the name of the Emperor. That is its only meaning
>>65256217Martial arts autist who's done like, 16 of them so far.Karate's aren't fake. Actually, behind stuff like MMA they're a pretty decent thing for covering all your combat basics (not counting weapons, though some classes do a bit on them).Issues are that; it takes a long long time to see progress in them next to things like boxing, and that Karate is actually eight or so different martial arts, and only about three of them are 'street applicable', with most children's karate classes (don't lie, that's what we all know) being very divorced from that.However karate makes a fantastic base to work your skills off of. I use reverse punching sometimes to get better power than my stance should allow, and I use sanchin a lot so I don't have to block a strike, and put myself out of good counter-striking position.Also when I studied Goju Ryu, I had one uber-fit sensei who could do twenty jumping push ups, then uppercut my other sensei so hard he'd honestly get air time like fucking tekken. Where the other guy, who was about ten years older, wasn't so fit, but could be hit like that for a minute straight and just shrug it off.It was a party trick of theirs. Those two were wild.>Various forms of /k/ung fu.We all know about boxing, muai thai, wrestling, bjj and the like.I'll tell you that kali plus some technical work with long guards and arm control sourced from a mix of wing chun and (disappointingly) judo, gives you good defense against knives. You just NEED TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO and wear a thick coat.I can also tell you that oly fencing gives you some great skills to work alongside boxing. Taekwondo is absolutely a valid martial art, you secure the weapon, then the position, then the submission.Also, Judoka are the annoying vegans of the martial arts sphere. If there is a video of two drunk vatniks grabbing each other, you will find a Judoka in the comments talking about the superiority and beauty of judo as an ancient and unrivaled martial art.
>>65256567Where in reality you're giving them your wrist to see what they do with it during a light spar, then they crank it to near dislocation, and look superior about it when you cry out in pain.Or you get to grappling with them, and they sweep you (because it is good at the ONE thing it does, just not anything else), and you scramble as you fall because you're transitioning into a double leg, and they tap out just as you're lifting them because "you fell wrong/dangerously" (when you didn't) and "I don't want to hurt you, kohai" (you haven't yet), or "I already won dude" (it's a free sparring session).Fuck Judoka. Microadjust out of their formulaic holds so they can't do their oh-my-washing-machine ass throw. Suplex a Judoka. Drop Judoka on their heads. Baseball choke a Judoka. Feed Judoka into a wood chipper. Gather up all Judoka onto a big spaceship and launch it into the fucking sun.
>>65256572physical torture of ones self is the first step toward inflicting true pain on others
>>65256267>Overall, grappling martial arts are better than striking typesStriking martial arts are still essential. You need to know both.>>65256271>It's all only good for sport and will only get you injured or killed in a real fightThere are sport-specific tactics that wouldn't be too useful in a real fight, but it's overly reductive to say it's all useless.>William FairbairnStudied a bunch of the alleged strip mall garbage martial arts. You still got to practice for it to work.>>65256567>>65256572>Judoka are the annoying vegans of the martial arts sphereThat would be aikidoka.
I've done legit martial arts (kickboxing, MMA) at reputable gyms, and I've also trained kung-fu nonsense with pony-tailed Steven Segal wannabes and wispy-moustached Chinese "masters" who teach from their garage. I used to think that kung-fu was cool to train but useless in a fight, while things like kickboxing were reserved for "real fighting". I still think the former is true, but I'm more skeptical of the latter after a couple of experiences "on da streetz". I had a deep think and realized that there is no such thing as a "real fight", and accordingly you shouldn't place too much confidence, even in "legit" martial arts (and no, I'm not talking about eye-gouging and nut-flicking or whatever).In the end, all martial arts are a highly ritualized form of physical contact, each constrained by their own ruleset and environment. If MMA fights weren't fought in an octagon but on a slab of concrete suspended above a pit of fire, the whole sport would look completely different. If boxing was 2 vs 2, it would be a different sport, etc. It is absolutely true that certain disciplines like MMA are more broadly applicable to the widest ruleset possible, so in that sense they're more legit, but in the end even that is ultimately constrained to it's own context.
>>65256217Martial artists always lose to big dudes with reach. Jet Li said it and Bruce Lee said it 20 years apart and it was true then and now.Pure violence is a win and martial arts are impure structured violence. I don't care how well you grapple if I'm so fucking mad I just grab your face and dribble your skull off the pavement. I don't care how many katas you've practiced, it's not hard to just piston your sternum really had; it's center mass and that doesn't "dodge" very well.You pick any martial artist in the world and I pick George Foreman in his best year- the gigantic meatbag homocidal nigger with about enough brains to read the gospel will win every time. Probably tank some 9mm too.Martial arts are gay as fuck.
>>65256848Then Colt came along to make them equal. And everyone clapped.
>>65256848Fighting someone who's bigger than you is retard, yes. But knowing how to fight unarmed is useful, for one it makes you physically fit.
>>65256567Is this a copy-paste or ai generated, no way retards like this still exist
>>65256792>but it's overly reductive to say it's all uselessI guess you're right, they need to show off somehow and cheap tricks that they use on unsuspecting non-threats is a great way to do that. I said willy trimmed the fat, I didn't say he didn't know what he was talking about, of course he studied to learn what he did, but he refined it to be practical and therefore useful.
>>65256803>no such thing as a "real fight"A real fight is where your opponent want to badly injure or kill you and you NEED to defend yourself.
>>65256848George Foreman was a martial artist. You put him against a larger but untrained giga nigga and Foreman rapes him, thus proving martial arts are effective.
>>652562173rd degree black belt in what? Has to be TKD.
Aside is fake, karate is... fine I guess but boxing and jujitsu (taught in a reputable dojo) will put you above most in a 1v1 encounter. >>65256848George Foreman was a gentleman in and out of the ring
>>65256267>The best fighting stance is always a 100m sprintNon Stand Your Ground cuck state mentality. The best fighting stance is the mag dump or in the very least calling the cops and recording them tasing a mouth breather and then posting it online for other Chads to enjoy.
Just learn the basic striking motions.And to suffer pain.If someone tries to grapple with you use your elbows on the back of his head.If you have enough muscular training he is dead before you both end on the ground.If they try leg takedown knee them in the face.If they are proper boxers close the gap and use your elbows on their face, if they use legs a lot, and you have accustomed yourself by beating a metal pipe on your calves you should be able to simply ignore it, fall with your full weight on them and start hitting their face with your elbows.You want to have long arms and good flexibility but it is doable to be able to hit someone on the back of the head even if they are close to you, you need speed for this boxing can help develop It.Also hiting walls with your elbows does wonders for your bone density.i used to beat up walls(not the ameriplier one made of paper) good solid european walls.Had bloody hands but by 18 even just hiting each other knuckes when we won other would lament i had hard knucles
>>65257055Holy esl
>>65256567This guy fucks>>65257055>hiting walls with your elbows does wonders for your bone densityWhat 99.99% of people don't get is that this kind of physical development toughens the bones and body to the point that technique almost doesn't matter, so it really says nothing about techniqueIt's like saying a woman with a sniper rifle can't hit shit compared to a soldier with a carbine, therefore a carbine is more accurate than a sniper rifle
>>65257068>Technique Weigh more than your opponent, have denser bones, speedier muscles and know the proper angles that unleash the most energy, thats my technique
>>65257076>be superior Wow, what insight, thanks Einstein
>>65256217>share your thoughtsChicks had prettier hairdos in the '80s and '90s.
>>65257127Wow, that chick is really mean!
>>65257127How is Cynthia Rothrock always so much fun to watch?
>>65256217Way yonder back I was horsing around with a friend, his twin brothers and this dweeb assed upstairs neighbor of theirs. We were 16/17 the twins 13 the dweeb 15 I think. My friend was the type of buffoon who at one point really believed if you try hard enough you can make dragon ball real and shaolin kung fu was soul power and all that shit but anyways.This kid had been doing karate for like a year and a half. Idk about belts but you figure 18 months of practicing something physical and exercising would show results.His moves and strikes had some form and balance to them, he could plant himself, but after I had been counterpunching and outstriking him, he was putting effort in, but nothing had true weight or power in it. It's like all the moves were there, and right, but wrong at the same time.Now my friend was an absolutely massive Bosnian bastard, I'm a malnourished average guy, and wouldn't hold back and at that point I was doing heel drops through 2x4s, never mind the severe pain after.But just all that time and money and effort and you couldn't get a proper punch from the kid, he had no sense of true speed, there was a shell of a fighter with nothing inside.Well he did have a bit of endurance and discipline. But there was nothing there.
>>65257155>But there was nothing thereJust another sign for the whole generation, including you. You will never amount to anything.
>>65257166With gusto fuck this fake ass world and contributing to it in whatever way you think is "something".Hell, years later I was no-contact strike practicing with a semi successful amateur mma friend and I could still outspeed my counters and stop so close you'd swear he felt the hair on my hands at his chin.The look in a man's eye when I do it.Fighting is a deeply primal mindset. You have to understand the purity of what hitting someone means to be good at it. Just going through the motions and having some willpower and body won't make you great. A man who knows he's going to die is a different animal than one just playing a part.
>>65257127>what insight, thanks EinsteinAnd yet people hold up muaythai or MMA or whatever as superior simply because they've watched massive professional fighter roidasauruses beating each other up in a ring using those techniques
>>65257155Shit my bad by "this kid" i was talking about the dweeb neighbor karate kid. My friend was 6'2 and all lean muscle, I could never fight him seriously in a stand up strike match and get anywhere.The kid was pretty much same size and build as me (remember, malnourished).Just nothing there. I could have taught him how to hit with the force and speed of God in a week. And then worked on cracking his mind open to understand being primal and patternless. 18 months for what?
>>65257182>have to understand the purityOh, I have studied the Way of the Blade.
>>65257298But DO YOU understand what I meant.Do you feel it.Do you know that a fight is always life or death.A swinging fist no different from a cannon ball.Every moment a motion in chaos.This man, even completely unintended, could kill you from a hit.Do you know how to let all the things of institution fall away? And to without thinking ahead see the many paths that can end or escape? And react within it, in full unflinching power, with disregard to your body's safety response?Can you kill a man in any moment? Can you hit so hard it ruins your joints? Are you capable of tearing a mans diaphragm from his plexus, of snapping whichever joint he leaves open, of taking his eyes out anx making him choke to death on his own crushed throat?That's what any fighting ultimately means no matter what either participant intended.The risk is always too great.Don't fight. Ever. But be prepared to wash it all away and break a body without hesitation.If anyone on this board doesn't understand the gravity of what a single punch really means you shouldn't even have the right to own a gun.
>>65257354>Don't fight. Ever. But be prepared to wash it all away and break a body without hesitation.>walk softly and carry a big stickThis shit is not new.
>>65256572damn bro, i did a bit of judo as a kid, i didn't know there were people that were this obsessively hateful of it lol.
The best martial arts to learn for street fighting are always going to center around maintaining a strong base and keeping you on your feet so you can run if you have to. Namely boxing and judo.>BoxingBest practice of punching. Obviously.>JudoGrappling art focused on throws and decentralizing your opponent to give you the dominant position.>Muay ThaiGood hands and the knees and elbow work comes in handy in a clinch.>TaekwondoThe kicks look cool and if they land are nasty but that comes at the cost of sacrificing your base and balance. The goal is always avoid ending up on your back and getting stomped out making this a very bad idea unless you’re retardedly good at it. The space needed for its effectiveness is also not great for typical bar room shit where you’re often fighting in a phone booth.>KarateKyokushin shits on every other style but I don’t see what it offers that Muay Thai can’t do better.>WrestlingArguably the best martial art for one on one fights against someone your own size or maybe a bit bigger. Wrestler emphasizes conditioning and positional advantage over anything. I’ve won a lot of money betting on UFC undercard no names just by figuring out who the better wrestler is. They also have one of the best moves in all martial arts which is putting the seatbelt on a motherfucker and sending them on a roller coaster ride. The issue is getting stomped out after you take someone down or dealing with a fuck huge opponent.>JiujitsuHonestly only good if you’re already on the ground getting your ass beat. It doesn’t provide anything that the others can’t provide better. Great for sport. Not for self defense.
>>65256922Yes, sit in your cave and do nothing. Ridicule people online for actually living life.
>>65256217>and managed to get my 3rd degree black before I actually got in a fighton the whole you aren't all that wrong but i have a feeling you got 3rd dan youre freshman year of high school and that might explain it a bit more
>>65256217Damn you really dug up a Takeo quote lmao that brings back memories
>>65256930Yeah, that's why we carry guns. Still useful to know martial arts inna scuffle.
>>65256267>The better martial arts also teach armed combat, usually with a knife, dagger or batonCan't be stressed tested with realistic sparring.Getting punched with gloves and headgear vs without is different, but eating a punch is eating a punch.A rubber blade simply doesn't mimic a real knife attack.>>65256567>I use reverse punching sometimes to get better power than my stance should allowDude, just learn proper punch mechanics.>>65256848>I don't care how well you grapple if I'm so fucking mad I just grab your face and dribble your skull off the pavementThere's an entire category of content of dudes who think they can just "see red" and dribble 125-135 lb guys and then get folded like laundry.
>>65257076>have denser bonesSo weightlifting?>speedier musclesSo train the same movements over and over again until you get peak efficiency?>know the proper angles that unleash the most energySo train your footwork?Congratulations - if you're lifting, repeating the striking motions, and practicing angles you're training your fighting technique.>>65257135It was all about that fuckin aqua net
>>65256567>reverse punchingWe trained him wrong, as a joke
>>65258155she was so hot that entire episode
>>65256267Why is it always dudes who have no fucking clue what they’re talking about with zero experience saying shit like this?
>>65256792>That would be aikidoka.NO.You see, Akidoka, Karateka, Systemafags, Krav Maga fags, they all realize to an extent that their martial art is not the be-all-end-all of fighting, and that trying to pretend it is, or going too hard in the artsy spiritual stuff while doing so, is fucking cringe.You can't just say your martial art is the best in the world, and that it makes you unstoppable or cures cancer without actually backing it up.Most people, even those who go to a very spiritualist class, get this. Except, in my experience, Judoka.Judo is a martial art like Taekwondo or Sumo, in that it specializes in one thing and does it really well.And to be serious, high level Judo is very impressive stuff.Unfortunately, instead of being like Sumo, where Sumotoi generally know that they're not MMA fit, Judoka seem to run off of 80's Karate Kid tier mentality. I have had Judoka insist that; >it's immoral to disrespect Judo by doing it 'wrong', >'The Gentle Way' lets you achieve enlightenment, and makes you a better person than you would by not doing judo specifically.>every other grappling technique out there is 'actually just a bad [insert japanese name here], and 'They should get a Judoka in to do it better'.>Judo is the only relevant martial art, because anything judo doesn't cover (striking and ground game), isn't actually important in a street fight.Alongside the common mcdojo nonsense of >Normally you train for five years before sparring.>We don't spar with intensity much because the techniques can be dangerous.>A quarter of the class is bowing and showing deference in an arranged hierarchy because that's important.>You cannot have any kind of friendly relationship with the instructor/s. You must only answer with "Yes Sensei".>Everything must be done in Japanese. Translating it corrupts the spiritual sanctity.I accept I am biased, and I know good Judoka exist out there, but again I have experience, and I've done Judo, and I'm angry about it.
>>65257386You get a pass because kid Martial Arts are mostly just to burn energy off and learn discipline. Very different from adult Judoka.Also, you're a /k/ommando, so you're probably an alright guy.>>65258155>Dude, just learn proper punch mechanics.I know like, seven different ways to throw a 'jab', depending on those mechanics and; which mechanics work best, which muscles are tired, what I want to do exactly, and what I'm feeling like on the day.
>>65258750>Normally you train for five years before sparringI sparred the first day in judo class. I admit there are lots of cringe judoka out there, but you went to the absolute shittiest judo school.
>>65256217>ended getting my ass fed to me.Its the person, their ability to fight, their character to win. Watch the vid of the black karate guy who walked into a Colorado dojo and challenged a black belt to a fight (white gi). Black was fast, knew all the moves, looked like bruce lee.White gi tried the standard crap and quickly abandoned it for just all out punches and kicks. White gi was starting to win, black guy says 'I am not a fighter' trying to stop the fight, white gi goes for the kill and beats the guy unconscious and stomps on this head. (black guy was snorting, probably died). It all comes down to instinct to win when it really matters. If you are not going to train to fight to win, just walk or run away.
>>65258155>I use reverse punching sometimesso you punch yourself in the face?
>>65256567>uppercut my other sensei so hard he'd honestly get air timeTo hit someone on the jaw so hard that it would launch them into the air would rip their fucking jaw off.
>>65258171>It was all about that fuckin aqua netThe 3dp community is keeping that brand alive
