>UK unveiled three prototype long-range cruise missiles for Ukraine under "Project Brakestop", all deliberately built with zero US components>Crossbow (MBDA UK), TigerShark (MGI Engineering), and a propeller-driven design (Rotron Aerospace). >Specs: 500-600+ km range, 200-300 kg warhead, 600+ km/h, approx £400k each, 20+/month production. Vid related, of MBDA's Crossbow test firing (https://www.mbda-systems.com/mbdas-crossbow-completes-successful-first-firings)Volumes a bit low, but a given for first-production runs.
>>65257789>all deliberately built with zero US componentsHohoho>>65257789>>Specs: 500-600+ km range, 200-300 kg warhead, 600+ km/h, approx £400k each, 20+/month production.Those are numbers, except for the production rate obviously. It's also not exactly pocket change but what can you do?
>>65257804
>>65257789more interested in Project Nightfall desu which is about ballistic missiles iircalso Brits always have the coolest military codenames
>>65257789A model of MGI's offering (TigerShark) was photographed back in April, around the time of a reportedly successful test launch. No videos of that though (sad)
>>65257873I struggle with cursive Cyrillic, what's this claiming?
>>65257789>>65257802>Summer 2026: The UK is avoiding sanctions by producing crude weapons that would be rejected as inferior by North KoreaIs this peak Starmer?
Just how many low-cost euro missiles have a been announced recently. I get that they want to move towards being independent of the US but it feels like there's too many options now in such a small market. Each of them will fight for small purchase orders which won't really drive down prices or keep a full assembly line going. Is this an actual concern in europe right now or am I overthinking this and Ukraine will just buy them all?
>>65257804>Looks like UK is begging for the nuke torpedo againlmao, its painting an oreshnik target right on the back of ukroid heads, all for some smug 3:15 segment on the BBC that will go basically unnoticed to the rest of the world
>the global south are upset againwonderful
>>65257959>he doesn't knowBefore banan, there were signs that Russia was a dumpster fire of a country.
>>65257995Oh no, not the garage cooperatives again!
>>65257789>for Ukraine ah, no wonder it looks so crude>Specsnothing to shout about>20+/monthbig if truethat's 80% of Europe's current cruise missile production rate>£400k eachunderscoring the point that there is no such thing as cheap long-range strike, dronefags BTFO>>65257802ITAR-free has been a thing for about a decade now>>65257804>two more torpedoes, zsisters>>65257857Nightfall is the bougie shit>Brits always have the coolest military codenamesit was cool onceit's cringe now, as anything performative is>>65257989they're for Ukraine, and probably there are so many in order to make best use of local capacityfor example, Ukraine is buying drones from the Americans, Brits, French AND the Germans, that I know of, because the total order is not one that can be fulfilled by just one countryEurope actually suffers from a lack of missile manufacturers. MBDA has basically cornered the market and has no major competitors.
>fucking janny purged my nuke-shitpostDunno if thats a compliment or not
>>65258081I was purged a couple times toothe trouble with parodying a zigger is that sometimes one does it too wellat least in the eyes of basement-dwellers who do it for free
>>65257789MBDA posted a 1/2 model on their socials a bit ago, for a closer look.>>65258081I thought it was funny. Hard to tell the difference between a joke and early-onset turdie spam these days though.
>>65258047>Before banan, there were signs that Russia was a dumpster fire of a country.Oh right, the crane/dock thing.
>>65258081>>65258182/k/ has turned into a no-fun group for people who like to LARP as geopolitical analysts (or actual ones). Might as well call it /geopol/
>>65258068Eh it is cheap though? It's basically ATACMs stats but half the cost.
>>65257989Competition is a cornerstone of capitalism. Plus it allows potential buyers to select the option that most aligns with their requirements.In any case, the current US foreign policy has shown that even reliable partners can turn at a moments notice, none of the euros will be looking to make the same mistake again, even amongst eachother.
>>65257868Are they building missiles in the old caterham factory? Whats the story behind this pic.
>>65258565Company does carbon fibre weaving for F1 cars
>>65258569Now that's pretty cool, those caterhams were awful but an f1 car is still an f1 car. Really cool pic.
>>65258581>those caterhams were awfulHow so?Asking for a friend.
>>65258620The team didn't manage to score a single point and finished last in each and every season they took part in before going bankrupt, at least that's my recollection. It's been more than a decade so my memory is somewhat hazy.
>>65257989>there's too many options nowNot a thing. This is specifically how you get decentralized production and competition.
>>65258733In that anon's defense, healthy capitalism is hard to understand if you're used to corruption.
>>65257989>be europe>2nd biggest economy in the world>2nd biggest arm exporter in the world>greatest rearming potential in the world due to 3 decades of taking it easy>such a small market
>>65258761>2nd biggest economy in the worldwhat?
>>65258542there's no free lunchin this case I'd wonder what's the CEP of this thingalso it appears to be a turbofan whereas ATACMS is a rocket, so it's slower and therefore easier to shoot down>>65258761you forgot>2 decades of <1% real growth>slowest growing economic region on Earth (besides Africa, but nobody gives a shit about them)>highest cost of living>highest welfare spending, with the concomitant expectations from voters>>65258764he means collectively. the European Union's combined GDP is bigger than China, even before counting UK and the remaining Scandis
>>65258774Also>continual flow of illiterate retards who get billions thrown at them to rape rob and kill productive members of society
>>65257974Low cost is a valuable asset.400k each is pretty cheap, with Ukrainian labor, half that.
>>65257789>£400k eachHoly shit that's expensive
>>65258848The opposite?Why do you make these threads and samefag the exact same type of post every time.
>>65258845I wasn't complaining, i was just pointing out that it is funny to see the former de facto ruler of the world getting...Norky.
>>65257789I really don't think 400k pounds is considered low-budget enough for the UK, given how they keep axing the Army's budget with each year that passes.
>>65258857be nice, armatard isn't having a very good war
>>65257857>also Brits always have the coolest military codenamesThey are pretty clever when it comes to coming up with military codenames, like the Storm Shadow missile.
>>65257857>more interested in Project Nightfall desu which is about ballistic missiles iircOn a scale of 1 to 10, that scores an easy 12 as being OMINOUS AS FUCK.
Kuul myssyli
>>65257974Put your trip on, Norktard.
>>65258890Nightfall is an isaac asimov book.Brit MIC seems to love classic scifi.
>>65257995The Oreshnik has dogshit accuracy, it's only two uses is to either deliver nuclear tipped MIRVs or terrorizing Ukrainians.
>>65258764The Europoid Union has the second largest economy in the world after the US.
>>65257974>rejected as inferior by North KoreaThat's no way to speak about NK's "Elite Russian Assault Package, the R.I.P".
>>65257995The UK has nukes. Why do Russians seem to forget that?They can also send you back to the stone age. Sure, some guy in a village might survive, but who cares when you get invaded by anyone because you only have a couple million people left on the largest nation on earth.The bongs are not afraid of your nuclear wonderwaffen because they know you would never use it for the sake of self preservation. That's why they extended their nuclear umbrella protection to Finland, Norway and Sweden, because they know it will work.
>>65257808hasn't the UK churned through like 4 terrible prime ministers since this idiot?
>>65258774>there's no free lunchIt is almost certainly inferior to US arms or shit like the Stormshadow and the Taurus. Right now I suspect their requirements are>Can be put into production right fucking now>Trump can't fuck with itKind of like the Sten in the sense that it would be regarded as complete garbage in peace time, but it's what you have.
>>65258902Finland has both healthcare and a big military.
>>65258902You can have both.Healthcare theoretically should have drastically dropped in cost, to the point that anyone under 60 in the US should be covered because it just makes economical sense to not let potential earners die.What shouldn't be subsidised is extended end of life care and extended pensions to go with it. The elderly being killed would fix both the US and Europes problems.
>>65258902Bullshit. Britain built its welfare state in the 50s when the proportion of military spending was MUCH higher than it is today. Other European nations are much the same. Furthermore, the economy of the collective EU is 20 times larger than Russia, the Europeans are 30 years ahead of Russia technologically, and they have a population of 500 million to Russia's 140 million.
>>65258914AHAHAHAHAH no they don't. They Army has less than 20 thousand soldiers in it. They can mobilize a massive reserve force within weeks but that doesn't make their military huge and don't you dare think that they can equip the reservists with the same quality of gear and weapons the currently serving personnel has access to.
>>65258919Britain's welfare State in the 1950s was nowhere as widespread and overarching as it is today.
>>65258893But then you will whine because i'm tripfagging. I can be your big titty Goth slut GF or your chaste trad wife, i can't be both so make up your mind.
>>65258933>They Army has less than 20 thousand soldiers in itMy brown friend, Finland has a larger army than the US if you take population size into account
>>65259042>Finland has approximately 161 total military personnel per 1,000 citizens, comprising both active and reserve forces>North Korea has approximately 300 to 306 soldiers per 1,000 citizens, comprising both active and reserve forcesNo wonder Finland lost the Hyper War.At Finnish/Nork levels US armed forces would be around 60/120 million troops respectively, i don't think either level could realistically be maintained for any length of time with the USA's size besides as Homeguard. In an extreme emergency assuming all they did was guard their local area it could be done, the fact that they would not need to be provided with guns is a massive logistical advantage.
>>65258764>>65258774>>65258902none of your corn syrup withdrawal tantrums will change your mystery meat mixed race status or the fact that europe amd it's customers are obviously a massive market for cheap missiles today in the year of our lord 2026
>>65259134Norkia isn't actually Korea, and doesnn't count as a real counrty.
>>65258902get better talking points
>>65257789That's pretty cool, and looks scaleable.
>>65259178You can't even handle those
>>65258908BoJo was retarded in pretty much every field but Ukraine, but he makes the ziggers seethe so he's cool with me
>>65259236You are justt lyingn out your as, m8.Finland, Sweden and Germany all had massive armies during the Coold War, and great social services.Just three random examples.
>>65259238The UK's particular flavor of exlusive anti-white racism is punishment for their perfidy.
>>65258550>Competition is a cornerstone of capitalism. Plus it allows potential buyers to select the option that most aligns with their requirements.It's also redundancy and makes scaling supply easier
>>65258774>also it appears to be a turbofan whereas ATACMS is a rocketSpeed was one of the requirements, wasn't it?
>>65259242>BoJo was retarded in pretty much every field but UkraineDo you think that there's a Bong seethe about Ruskies too?On paper, bojo seems to be perfect zigger fifth columnist material.Corrupt politician, populist, journalist who practically invented fake news...somehow he hates Russia?
>>65257989>it feels like there's too many options now in such a small marketCheap and spammable drones/missiles are a fairly new emerging market that will probably find some kind of standard, such as with bombs and artillery, and in the meantime everyone's scrambling to make the standard. My wild guess is that europe/nato if it still exists will eventually settle on some joint drone control/datalink/whatever system that lets their munitions play together nice while countries are free to produce or procure whatever suits their use-case as long as it has the compatible bits. Kind of like how you can use whatever rifle you like as long as it can accept 5.56 from STANAG mags (I know it's more complicated shut up). Cheap and easily manufactured means lots of countries will be able and want to make their own so why not let them?
>>65258911>It is almost certainly inferior to US armseverything is>or shit like the Stormshadowwhat I can't fathom is why they can't just mass produce thoseis the guided weapons supply chain really that ad hoc, that even the raw materials are so hard to get?shouldn't they be stockpiling the raw materials at least?>>65258917>What shouldn't be subsidised is extended end of life care and extended pensions to go with itend of life care, or all welfare for that matter, isn't too expensive depending on SCOPEit's not like the budget had never ever ever been balanced in the pastwe just need to find the right year to rewind to, and then do it>>65259424speed relative to what, would be the questionspeed relative to an ATACMS? yeah nahspeed relative to an FP-1? definitely
>>65258862Were the brits ever known for throwing money at their problems?
>>65259516NAYRT but they basically threw the Empire's treasury at WW2, and not always in a smart wayspecific problems, however, it is true that the Brits have always been held up by three autistic guys in a shed
>>65257789>flamingo at homeWhy not just open some Fire Point factories like Denmark did?
>>65259512250,000
>>65257789>approx £400k each, 20+/month production.Double fail, dead on arrival. This is a somewhat cheaper tomahawk which is also considerably inferior.
>>65259528They're building a better missile for Ukraine, idiot
>>65259542>better missileCitation needed.
>>65258907It's just posturing for the dumb masses so they feel like they are part of something big and mighty no one in the world should mess with. Of course their leadership knows it would be a fatal mistake to attack a nuclear power. There's also that many oligarchs and siloviki have relatives and even children living in the West and enjoying life. Can't tell that to the bydlo. It wouldn't look very patriotic.
>>65259242>he messed up his own country, but I like him because he did well in foreign warsAnon...
>>65259542>a better missile for Ukraine>Specs: 500-600+ km range, 200-300 kg warhead, 600+ km/h, approx £400k each, 20+/month production. Weeeeeeelll...>Flamingo specs: 3000 km range, 1150 kg warhead, 950 km/h, est. $0.5-1.09 million, 210 units a monthThe devil is in the details but it's not meant to be a "better" flamingo, it's in an entirely different category.
>>65259000We want you to stop posting overall.Nice trips.
>>65259528Anon, the Flamingo is a bong design.It's literally just Milanion FP5 manufactured by ukies under a different name.
>>65258774>there's no free lunchThe US MIC seems to think otherwise which is why it outsources so much production abroad. Brits are cheap workers compared to Americans.
>>65257974>rejected as inferior by North KoreaYeah, sure.
>>65259593Milanion is a shell company for marketing abroad because of retarded weapons export laws Ukraine has. All FP designs are indigenous.
>>65259609Sounds plausible but
>>65259613I literally work for FP.
>Every day the bongs find a new way to make the global south screechWonderful
>>65259616
>>65259616So an anon's word, nothing verifiable, gotcha.
>>65259622You believe that a shell company with 0 physical assets is the one that created FP-5 and not the actual designer and manufacturer of battle-proven aerial vehicles.But for some reason it's hard for you to believe that FP actually employs people.
>>65257789>200-300 kg warheadHoly shit. Thats 400 to 600 lbs. That's blockbuster bomb territory. Bomber Harris would be proud.
>>65257789built one of these in KSP recently, they're fun. though i did one of those cold launch tube 90 degree turn thingies
>>65259173You're the descendant of a soviet rape baby.
>>65259613>>65259609>>65259622Different Anon here. I rooted around in Crown tax records several months ago in one of the early Flamingo threads. TL:DR It's 100% a shell company, which you can pretty much tell from their website.Longer version:"Milianon" is a Sikh guy, his secretary, and an office with under $5000 worth of furniture on the second floor of a motorcycle shop, across from the neighborhood grocery store. They don't own any other facilities, no factories, it's fuck-all. The guy who owns it is a serial hustler with VERY long record (back into the 80s) of forming shell companies, riding them until he's done, re-incorporating to dodge taxes then pass the company assets between himself and a couple of his brothers. The only other "products" they sell are all Saudi shit that they're laundering the label on for Euro markets, which you can tell from their own website if you root around a little bit. Plus at the time of the arms shows when it "debuted" they had materially wrong information up for the Flamingos, a few unlabeled sketches in the brochure, and a scale-model fiberglass mockup. It's very, very blatantly not Milianon's missile.
>>65259609I thought Ukraine was fixing those retarded laws in order to sell drones abroad?
>>65257857>also Brits always have the coolest military codenamesThey should bring back the old rainbow codes, they were cool and made even the weirdest and stupidest projects sound ominous and mysterious. And vise versa, they could make some projects sound ridiculous.>Blue Peacock>chicken-powered nuclear land mine>Violet Club>a 500kt fission bomb that could only be made safe when filled with 133,000 ball bearings>Orange Herald>the largest pure fission weapon ever tested - 720kt>Green Cheese>Radar guided anti-ship missileAnd of course, my love: >BLACK ARROW
>>65258902>tax-subsidized State controlled healthcarelike US has with Medicaid and Medicare?I'm only joking ofc, there's barely any state control over Medicaid and Medicare. that's why the US spends a little under double (after ppp correction) what the Europeans spend and get worse results on most healthcare metrics and also a massive opioid addiction crisis due to how the US system got hijacked by private interest that pushed for way to much and way to heavy pain care
>>65258902>BUT NOT BOTHReminder that US spends way more per citizen on healthcare than any other EU state. Ignoring Americans just being fat unhealthy lard-asses, US has government-mandated middlemen (insurance companies, physician groups. etc.) who just skim half the money and regular people end up paying thousands for an ambulance ride.
>>65257789>Specs: 500-600+ km range, 200-300 kg warhead, 600+ km/h, approx £400k each, 20+/month productionother than the low production numbers, specs look very promisingthis closes a genuine gap in EU military capabilitiesprice seems kinda low for the initial batchdoubling production numbers (or more) should shave off 20-30% additionallyso realistically, long term, that's a ~300k€ cruise missilewhich would be awesome>>65259583>it's in an entirely different categoryFlamingo also only works because Russia has completely (well not voluntarily...) given up on proper ADthe brakestop missile is low observability (not stealth though), with better anti EW and better targetingDiehl is currently upgrading the Flamingo seeker, which will somewhat level the last pointbut then again, Flamingo is still a massive, soviet style missile
>>65259733They are "working on it" and the "decision will be made any day now", but it's still impossible to sell the spicy RC planes abroad 5 years into the war. The Ukrainian political bloggers are bitching about it non-stop.
>>65259613Doesn't it surprise you that "Milanion's product" uses a naming scheme which uses FirePoint's initials?
>>65259844Or the other way around
>>65259733You can't fix decades of bullshit in one fell swoop
>>65259846FirePoint existed before any mention of "Milanion's missile"
>>65259590Well my digits say otherwise.>>65259603The specs are significantly below those of Nork cruise missiles and the TEL is wasteful. The cost is probably great for a western nation however.
>>65259844NTA, but ziggers will do amazing mental gymnastics to blame perfideous albion for everything they can't put on 'CIA agents'
>>65259900The BoJo memes started when Russia tried to claim they defeated a platoon of SAS in ukraine personally led by Boris Johnson.
>>65259807>insurance companies
>>65259807firstly, PPP (deliberately) understates the amount spent by the richer European countries (the ones with the most influence on fiddling the data)secondly, the vast majority of this "healthcare expenditure" is actually spent by the richthe entire bottom 50% of the US population spends $25 per capita out of pocketthe top 5% spend 50% of total healthcare costs
>>65258774>2 decades of <1% real growth>slowest growing economic region on Earth (besides Africa, but nobody gives a shit about them)>highest cost of living>highest welfare spending, with the concomitant expectations from voters>still have the 2nd largest economy in the world>spend your standard month-long summer vacation touring North America for the World Cup with the lads, because you can
>>65259976>PPP (deliberately) understates the amount spent by the richer European countriesare you retarded? if there was no ppp adjustment and you just use the conversation rate from the euro to the dollar the European spend would be even lower.Germany spends on average about 6k euro on health care. a euro is 1.15 dollar so that's about 6.9k dollar. that graph accounting for ppp says 9.4k dollar, so about a third higher.
>>65259603>in NK we have nuclear ERA that can deflect a direct hit from a stupid western tank and their stupid anti personnel apfsds rounds. Every first line soldier has to equip one because the meatwave assault starts
>>65259732It'a part of ADS group, which has 1700 bong employees.The "factory" you discuss is their solicitors office. It is generally unwise to give information about where you are manufacturing things to a foreign state on the internet, anon.It's a front sure, but for british aerospace joint projects that are being designed for "export" to Ukraine.They do work with Ukrainians, there has been a consistent sharing of technical military information from bongistan to help Ukraine and vice versa.
>>65259976>only 5% of the population can afford good health care and pay through the nose for it>the bottom 50% is pretty much entirely dependant on the stateso the european model but just shit for everyone
Could you retards stop falling for the political Euro/USA Divide and Conquer narratives and talk about weapons.Pensions and elderly care make up the vast majority of Europes money problems, not the unemployed on bennies or free medicine for the sick under 70, of which the US could afford pretty easy.Either way OP is warriortard.
>>65258907>The UK has nukes.lmao nahhhthe uk rents nukes off the US in a timeshare and thats only if it asks nicely with a>"Pwetty pweaase!???" w/cherry on top!!"and we'll dig the oldest POS we have out in back-storage some 20yo zyn ripping seamen about to brandon-act himself can wheel out
>>65257989>small marketWell Russia can crash the market by fucking off out of Ukraine, but until they actually do, every single one of those missiles will be bought up at production rate.
Ruskie shills continue to seethe.
>>65258908Yep. Yet the red lines keep being crossed.
>>65258908>hasn't the UK churned through like 4 terrible prime ministers since this idiot?lol, LMAO even
>>65258908word on the street puts them at PM #5 in the not too distant futurethey're shooting for our record, but I doubt they'll actually get there
>>65260139>shooting for our recordItaly or France?
>>65260121It's not been a good war for them
>>65260113They own and make the nukes outright, they purchase the missiles via lease, and the US refurbs those missiles as part of the contract. The UK periodically strips and tests those missiles at random in between US maintainance cycles so that the US cannot pull a fast one.There is no rent, no timeshare, no asking nicely, they will always have access to their own missiles that they purchase from the US, they also have at home missile industry, they could very easily replace trident with land based launch systems.They have enough plutonium waste to manufacture hundreds more nukes.You're a joke.
>>65257789>all deliberately built with zero US componentsAww, look at the euros being all grown up wearin ni boy pants! Now lets see you do it without chinese components. Sorry brits, you are euros, too.
>>65260142Australia
>>65260146LMAO, youre factually wrong about every point:https://cnduk.org/resources/trident-us-connection/>"The report makes for striking reading. The UK does not even own its Trident missiles, but rather leases them from the United States. British subs must regularly visit the US Navy’s base at King’s Bay, Georgia, for maintenance or re-arming. And since Britain has no test site of its own, it tries out its weapons under US supervision at Cape Canaveral, off the Florida coast">"As a result of this treaty, the UK’s nuclear weapons system is highly reliant on the US. The system comprises three components: the submarines, the missiles and the warheads. The Trident missiles give their name to the system as a whole. These missiles are leased from the US, and the submarines have to return regularly to the US base in King’s Bay, Georgia, for the maintenance and replacement of the missiles. The UK pays an annual contribution of £12 million towards the cost of this base">The site at which the UK’s nuclear warheads are made, the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston, is part-managed by Lockheed Martin, a US corporation. The missiles were tested under US supervision at Cape Canaveral, off the coast of Florida>Additionally, many of the system’s components are bought from the US. The gas reservoirs of the warheads are likely produced in the US, and are certainly filled with tritium there. The body shell which contains the warhead, is purchased from the US; and the guidance system used by the Trident system is designed and made by Charles Stark Draper Laboratories, also in the US>"Trident is reliant on the US. Without approval from Washington, the UK could not use its nuclear weapons system"https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-trident-nuclear-program/>"the maintenance, design, and testing of UK submarines depend on Washington, and when the nuclear missiles aboard them are on lease from Uncle Sam"this is why have to pay your nato™ bills on time!
>>65260163>Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament>>>/lgbt/
>>65260158blimy is it that bad down under?
>>65260163>LMAO, youre factually wrong about every point:>goes on to prove that he's actually factually right about every point.What makes burgers do this?>this is why have to pay your nato™ bills on time!Funny take, given the US relies more onm NATO than every other member does, and is on trakc of getting kicked out for wanting to be deadbeats.
I hate that "cheap" is the new war meta. Actually it's probably not new because it's the factor when facing stronger or equal opponent.
>>65260178The Killing Season lasted roughly a decade and saw us go through 6 PMs in that time, none of whom won an electionThe Poms have already have us beat for shortest non caretaker PM with Truss, and are actually only two more knifings away from tying our record, so its actually a bit closer than I thought
>>65260222Well to be fair, first strike weapons like LRASM aren't cheap, it is only when a war grinds on does cheap become the meta.
>>65260207>"Funny take, given the US relies more onm NATO than every other member does, and is on trakc of getting kicked out for wanting to be deadbeats."GIF RELATEDgo ahead and make our day LMAOOOO
>>65260275Da tovariche, United States must of immediate leave NATO, EU and US is eternal enemy and US + Russia is great alliance in historical world. Vladimir Putin and Krasnov Trump number 1 death to Ukraine! Glory USA to Russia and of Washington oblast!
>>65258774>>highest cost of livingreally? American everything sounds more expensive, sure, you make more but you whine about poverty taking home 4000$ a month so you must have some runaway costs
This russian divider posting couldn't be any less subtle even if it was being posted with a trip.
>>65260336>This russian divider posting couldn't be any less subtle even if it was being posted with a trip.exactlystuff like this>>65260207>this is why have to pay your nato™ bills on time!>Funny take, given the US relies more onm NATO than every other member does, and is on trakc of getting kicked out for wanting to be deadbeats.insinuating nato is weak or in danger of breaking up when all Mr.Trump has asked is that europe simply meet the GDP% commitments it made. seems pretty simple in the face of ceaseless Russian chimping. so no, we arent about to "kick the US out of nato" or anything like that, in fact, 'nato expansion is non-negotiable™'
>>65260227>The Killing Season lasted roughly a decade and saw us go through 6 PMs in that time, none of whom won an electionPersonally, I consider it healthy to keep polis on their toes.It's when they get comfortable in the chair, like Howard, that they pull the really bad shit.
>>65260373Being able to replace the politician in charge without dropping them out of a window is incomprehensible to the seething thirdie mind
>>65260378>Being able to replace the politician in charge without dropping them out of a window is incomprehensible to the seething thirdie mindToo right. Remember Gillard's minority government?The safest government of my lifetime. Imagine having to have reasoned debate to convince parliament that your law is a good thing and worth passing, instead of just telling the party whip to get the numbers and doing whatever the fuck you want. I wish Aus would adopt the NZ model, it could be done but it would be over the bodies of the majors.
>>65259811>doubling production numbers (or more) should shave off 20-30% additionallydouble-counting, the projected figures given here are probably given already assuming that production activity level>>65260070you think that we don't have that system ourselves?>>65260332Americans overspend on consumerist and luxury shit they don't need, and then bitch and moan about the gubmint not providing essentialswe have all the statistics to prove their take-home pay, even after deducting the higher out-of-pocket medical expenses, is higher than most Europeans
>>65260163>Purchases the missiles by leaseYes that's what I said>Tests its weapons near the USYes. That's what I said.>No test sites of its ownUtter nonsense, it's called the atlantic ocean, they do it facing themselves out of courtesy for the US.>TritiumCan be manufactured locally. They also buy it from the US.>Part managed by a US companyYes, because it's soveriegn manufacture of a US designed bomb. They do not need the USA or the company that part manages it for its manufacture, at all.They transport them across the UK regularly for maintainance internally.>Body shellPart of the missile delivery system.You were only technically right when you mention they source the trit from the USA, everything else you said was spin, they have full control over the systems deployment and use.
>>65257789Can they reuse the SRB component?
Ignoring the political posting of our local retard I found the other variants, including pic rel prop variant on the website.
>>65260577Also there is a link to the prop variant being launched https://vimeo.com/1185097672
>>65260495>they do it facing themselves out of courtesy for the US.its done out of necessity and by requirement of MDA (2014)>Can be manufactured locally.but it isnt, so youre 100% reliant on the US>>65260495>Yes, because it's soveriegn manufacture of a US designed bomb. They do not need the USA or the company that part manages it for its manufacture, at all.>They transport them across the UK regularly for maintainance internallythe warhead, but not the delivery system, of which the warhead is completely useless unless they plan on somehow, provisioning, arming, guiding and launching via some unknown trebuchet or catapult or something>You were only technically right when you mention they source the trit from the USA, everything else you said was spin, they have full control over the systems deployment and use.all components outside of the warhead, which itself is co-managed by a US national company are designed, produced, manufactured and leased by the USIt continues:>“There is no uniquely British component in the whole thing,” he points out.>“If the US pulled the plug on the UK nuclear program, Trident would be immediately unable to fire, making the submarines little more than expensive, undersea follies.”>The 2006 White Paper underscores this point. “One way the USA could show its displeasure would be to cut off the technical support needed for the UK to continue to send Trident to sea,” it says.>“The USA has the ability to deny access to GPS (as well as weather and gravitational data) at any time, rendering that form of navigation and targeting useless if the UK were to launch without US approval.”
Warriortard is really having a melty today
>>65260495>No test sites of its own>Utter nonsense, it's called the atlantic oceanRange telemetry infrastructure is totally different, fuckwitThe Brits haven't had cutting edge firing ranges for any vehicle-mounted weapon system for half a centuryWhat they have is limited and outdatedThat's why they always do more complete testing in North America and NorwayYou don't know shit
