>ukies are using fiber optic drones to clear trencheshow good of a pilot do you have to be to pull this off?
>>65259175>large and actually well made trench system >there's literally one (1) zigger manning ithuh?
The basic act is easy, people fly drones around their living rooms all the time. Doing it while not getting your cable snagged would take some skill though.
>>65259175obviously you just need to believe in the force Luke.but also if you run into a dead one it would be double the skill and praise when you have to back up through the whole thing and hit the next one lol
Alright. Listen.The Terminator's an infil-tration unit. Part man, partmachine. Underneath, it's ahyperalloy combat chassis,mircoprocessor-controlled,fully armored. Very tough...The 600 series had rubber skin.We spotted them easy. Butthese are new. They lookhuman. Sweat, bad breath,everything. Very hard tospot. I had to wait 'tilhe moved on you before Icould zero him.
>>65259182could be across the river from Kherson
>>65259175Because no one's posting the videos of them accidentally crashing a drone into a wall.
>>65259182not to worry comrade, manpower just fine, ten replacements on the way. don't worry about anything.
>>65259175Literally the reason every actually well made trench or hole has a blanket/tarp/etc covering the entrance. Can't expect ziggers to be smart enough for that, though.
>>65259175>00:37Ass status?
>>65259175That looks too well made and clean to be a vatnik trench.
>>65259195>Because no one's posting the videos of them accidentally crashing a drone into a wall.>one little trick>walls hate it
>>65259195There were a bunch of statemennts from drone units over the last two or so years, they clearly said that training FPV pilots means crashing FPVs, often a dozen a day.They also said that you have to think of crashing FPVs in training like missing on a shooting range in training.
>>65259175I have flow FPV for about 100 hours on the sims and 10 hours IRL (battery life makes 10 hours a lot of recharges) and this pilot is a little better than me.I think another 10 hours and I would get there.
>>65259348Is this pic AI slop because those props make no sense, both the front are clockwise and both the back are anti-clockwise. You couldn't yaw this without it also pitching.
>>65259175I was expecting the drone to crash anytime due to the fiber optic cable getting tangled behind the drone.
>>65259182Could be a former ukie position
>>65259473Doubtful. Looks pristine. If it was Ukies who set all that up, it would have been torn up by grenades. Russians do have some nice trenches like this, mostly in the southern region where a Ukrainian breakthrough would be most damaging.
>>65259175Decent, but not THAT good. If you know you're going into somewhere tight you could tweak your rates to soften the controls up a bit or use angle mode (though this guy didn't) to take some stress off. If this becomes more of a thing I wonder if they'll bootstrap an anti-collision system like DJI has, though that could easily become more curse than blessing.
>>65259200>Literally the reason every actually well made trench or hole has a blanket/tarp/etc covering the entranceThe first drone blows that up, the second goes through the gap.It just increases the drone count required for trench clearing by one.not nothing but not a game changer and ukies have a *lot* of drones these days, the drone:mobik ratio is infamously infuriating to zigger bloggers
>>65259418>Is this pic AI slop because those props make no sense, both the front are clockwise and both the back are anti-clockwiseI'm sure it's just someone who didn't realise that props have chirality.You now understand why they had to make guards for the props, it kept crashing all the time
>>65259463>I was expecting the drone to crash anytime due to the fiber optic cable getting tangled behind the drone.Then you don't understand how fibreoptic cable works on drones.Tangles don't really happen and don't matter when they do.
>>65259175decently good, not insane though, you can do it with 200 hs of training esily
I like how you can tell you're getting closer to the Russian when you start finding garbage strewn about. It's like when you start finding red tiles in Hunt the Wumpus.
It's like the tunnel run levels from ace combat games.
>>65259175Easy. I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters!
>>65259577>the drone:mobik ratio is infamously infuriating to zigger bloggersclearly the solution is to send even more mobiks, exhaust the enemy's munitions, and march on kyiv with the last remaining conscriptovich
>>65259175>Stalker droneBlowjob soon, fellow stalker!
>>65259644>I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back homeWas this actually true or was Luke bullshitting/larping as a pilot?The T-16 was never shown on-screen I don't think and Luke only seemed to have a model of one.The Lars family didn't seem like they could afford to have a light fighter and what would they do with it if they did?Do attack runs on the sand people? They seemed completely at the mercy of them when they came by.
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>>65259182Newest technology of the battlefield, with no analogue in the world - the Quantum Trench.Quantum Trench is neither manned nor unmanned (until observed) yet still requires the opposing force to be fully prepared for full offensive at all times, engaging precious resources for nought, spreading the divisions thin.The Bear's eyebrow is raising and soon everything is known (if the trenches were manned or not).
>>65259175The new Stalker X lab doesn't have the same feel as the old ones
>In an environment where a drones main advantages are negated and you have a chance of escaping, trapping or shooting it. >get stuck yourself and still die
>>65259713>Quantum Trench is neither manned nor unmanned (until observed)Aah, a "trench in being".
>>65259665You can see it in the background when Luke his playing with the model replica in episode 4. Its behind R2D2. According to the EU he fucked it up real bad when flying through beggars canyon to the point where it wasn't safe to fly
>>65259726an essential part of mutual trench deterrence
>>65259727>You can see it in the background when Luke his playing with the model replica in episode 4. Its behind R2D2. Aah, thank you anon. I did not know this tidbit of lore.>According to the EU he fucked it up real bad when flying through beggars canyon to the point where it wasn't safe to flyFarm boys...
>>65259717the controls seem a lot more floaty now too
>>65259175The guys inside would just take cover and shoot at the drone before it got to them regardless
>>65259175>how good of a pilot do you have to be to pull this off?I became a good enough FPV pilot to do that in my first two weeks of flying. So I would say "proficient"
>>65259182>literally one (1) zigger manning itOne there now. The others might already have been killed, retreated, or relocated after digging it.If you have a huge trench system with multiple lines you man the outer trench and fall back to the prepared positions behind if you lose ground.
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>>65259596It's like finding traces of animals, except many animals learned the advantages of not shitting up their place.
>>65259368>They also said that you have to think of crashing FPVs in training like missing on a shooting range in trainingThis. Thinking a FPV as guided bullet/frag is the only way.
>>65259182Trenches are either part of an old Ukrainian defence line, or the surovikin line (the latter being less likely). They were built for an earlier phase of the war when mechanised assaults were still possible. Nowadays trenches like that can't really be populated due the OP video.its why Russia uses the infiltration tactics, the only hope you have is to not be spotted and then bury yourself like a tic in some hiding spot. Big trenches are an obvious target to be focused on. You'll notice that the new Ukrainian defensive line behind the front lines doesn't have an infantry trench.
>>65259975>the new Ukrainian defensive line behind the front lines doesn't have an infantry trenchthen what is it made of and who the fuck is manning it?
>>65259175israel did it first
>>65259175russian trenches are so much better than ukrainians. even in ww2 russians were the masters of digging in. no joke.
>>65259988>fly a short straight line>get shot down on contact with browns>but still first!The comparison is so sad I'd accuse you of being a falseflagging hezbo, if shitskins were smart enough to think it up.
>>65259986Multiple layers of barbed wire, anti-tank trenches, mines and anti-tank obstacles. It would be covered by drones and likely hidden infantry positions behind it. The russians haven't reached it yet, it's more of an insurance policy at this stage. A fully manned trench (which Ukraine lacks then manpower for anyway) would simply be saturated with glide bombs and enemy drones. Even unmanned it's a significant obstacle to get past, requiring engineering teams, and serves the purpose of funneling the enemy.
>>65259529it could be a former ukie position that the withdrew from after some other position was overrun and left them exposed, not every trench in Ukraine is taken by storm
>>65259175https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=823Kt-_YqFw
>>65259175this is some terminator shit>alone in a trench>all your mates are dead or injured>hear a buzzing noise>see a drone drift down the trench back and forth seeking>just metal but a human mind behind it>it spots you>you're dead
>>65260133>>65259191>https://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/rovertechdata.html>The original MK-1 series of semi-autonomous 'smart' mine (SASM) was already in production as a pre-War military aerodyne based dual purpose hunter killer RPV. Stocks of the Type 1000 were plentiful in the United States arsenals when SKYNET became aware.
>>65259975I mean, all they would need is some fucking netting or steel wires and OP's vid related couldn't happen.
>>65259182It is my understanding that the closer to the frontline (but not in combat), the unit cohesion becomes more of a suggestion. That's why you always get footage like this, drones picking out random lone dudes just sitting or walking somewhere.
I thought I had a picture of a manhack or the camera drone by itself but I do no. Anyways...SOON
I don't know how accurate those joysticks are but they don't inspire confidence
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>>65260399https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTYQwMF9KtM
>>65260445imagine trying to shoot down a swarm of these all autonomously controlled from a computer inside a mother drone and making these erratic movements all by themselves on the way to their target.
>>65260445oh man i remember when this video was just posted
>>65260508i remember thinking>how the fuck is it doing thatand now i am thinking>how the fuck is it doing that
>>65259175Pretty good, I think a lot of people underestimate the skill it takes to fly the things well desu. fpv drones are twitchy little shits when flown in manual modes, I suppose practice makes perfect though. but maybe I'm biased as a 30 something boomer>>65260399They're extremely sensitive, although that's all technically adjustable. Really they're nothing like a typical game joystick. For instance going up on the power joystick doesn't make you hover at a higher altitude like you'd expect from vidya, it increases power to the rotors which makes you go up. For that reason you have to constantly add and reduce miniscule amounts of throttle to hover when flying in manual mode. With my setup shits so sensitive that instead of actually consciously moving the throttle up and down you make a tiny movement somewhere between jiggling and vibrating the stick to maintain altitude. That's how sensitive these shits are, it's picking up micro movements and that's a valid/important input you're having to do most of the time. That's also why most FPV people advise a "pinch grip" on the sticks instead of a thumb grip, trying to use your thumbs like an Xbox controller is a bad idea for most people since with typical settings you'd easily be slinging that bitch all over the place with the tiniest of mistakes.
>>65260551Why dont they make gaming pads like that?
>>65260517I still don't understand a lot of the upside down flying because its not doing it based on momentum due to how long it hovers that way. The only thing I can think is that its reversing thrust with blade pitch. That way the blade momentum keeps going the same direction but the thrust vector shifts the other way.
>>65259182The empty battlefield is real
>>65259175put me in the team coach, ive played DOOM!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWDSvNSzlA
>>65259182>da comrade, trench manned by four full-strength squads >da, will sign for and pass the paychecks
>>65260658>i still dont understandhow the fuck do you not understand when you literally answered it? that's how helicopters operate in the first place - by controlling the pitch of the blades? that's what the collective is?what a weird post
>>65260658That is exactly what is happening.Drones can reverse the rotors to drop altitude quickly, this can be used to fly upsidown too.It's not as efficient or as effective as flipping 180 and throttling the efficient way.>>65260551It becomes second nature given enough time flying anything. Even with a lag of 200ms it's trainable (but harder if it keeps varying)Source: flying shitty finicky mini toy helicopters that kept trying to tilt upsidown in half a second a decade ago.
>>65260939Whoops, sorry no that's not what's happening I misread.Drones aren't using pitch, they just stop and reverse the motor almost instantly.
>>65260940I'm dumbIgnore. Right the first time wrong on context. Heli's use rotor tilt.
>>65259175>hard counters your drone
>>65259961Heh, it's like looking at a model sprue for a 40k Rhino tank.
>>65260904Sorry but we're looking for people who grew up playing Descent.
>>65260952>sends 2 drones
>>65261023>hangs a second set of beadscheckmate, atheist.
>>65260551just set the throotle mid point in the hover position, limit the max throotle to 66% and use expo to have greater control around the hover position.i still agree most drone controllers are too small to have real fine controlls, its extremely improvised gear from hobbyst , once the military starts throwing money they will surely get something better
>>65260120I'm guessing it's overseen by drone patrols and exists to tarpit the infantry for artillery.
The drone might have completely changed how wars are fought at the tactical level, I was resistant to the idea at first, but the evidence is overwhelming, there is no point for standard infantry fighting positions anymore.
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>>65259713>The Bear's eyebrow is raisingHorrible news Comrade! Brezhnev's great grand son was captured by McDonalds, Russia's greatest eyebrows have been lowered!
>>65260133>hear a buzzing noise>drape a curtain from the top beam>you're safe
>>65260989>that'll be $70 please
>>65261161It's pretty depressing, I've spent over a decade doing infantry stuff and got pretty good at it. We've been doing excerises where opforce has recon drones and they show us the footage after and they had us straight away, no hiding from them. Though I did crawl into a hedge and I wasn't visible on the footage, that's my only postive.
>>65261289Drones are equipped with IR now so they'd spot you anyway
>>65261031So THAT's what the rosary's for! Very prescient.
>>65259182Maybe it's an old Ukrainian trench converted into a training course?
>>65259418>because those props make no senseyou're not tied to one proper way to do these things, it's configurable within the flight controller module
>>65260399>I don't know how accurate those joysticks are but they don't inspire confidenceIt's ok, you're not the target market.It's for people who actually fly drones, not just shitpost about them on the internet.>>65260551>I think a lot of people underestimate the skill it takes to fly the things well desuI think the OP could be done with 50-100 hours practice, depending on skill?As a typical gamer, I could reliably fly through hoops and tunnels with about 20 hours, the OP would be a level above that and do it reliably feels about double my skill level.
>>65261023>>sends 2 dronesThat's literally what they do for the porcupine drones, they just blow a hole in the quills, then the second drone picks up the rifle and flies through the gap and explodes against the hull.
>>65261123>its extremely improvised gear from hobbyst , once the military starts throwing money they will surely get something betterI don't think a dedicated military controller will be any better than a radiomaster TX, they'll just have more secure and programmable signals.The actual UI is fine, I've tried others and they're never as good.The hardest thing to get used to is no return spring on the stick but I've used one with and it was really bad.
>>65261428>'re not tied to one proper way to do these thingsSome of those props are upside down though.
>>65261323This was with IR, getting in a hedge blocked my signature and you couldn't see me, they showed us the footage.
>>65262097Yeah, that is the main problem with drones, there is no counter that is effective enough to counter just sending another drone.
>>65260445>Cameraman desperately trying to keep upPoor guy lmao
Realistically you could probably get that good in a month playing simulators in your free time.
>>65259656Kek
>>65261289i dont even know how the future infantry is supposed to be set up to counter drones or function in a drone environment. whats even the purpose of infantry now? what can infantry do that a drone cant? providing tech and engineering support to drones?
>>65262138NTA, I think the main advantage that will come from real military contractors on drones will be really good VTX / VRX and probably a better ELRS replacement.The downside will be a 7" suicide quad will go from $400 to $4000.
>>65264069SPAA will have to advance ahead of the infantry just as tanks have in the past and just like then that same rules will apply.Works great on open plains, gets vehicles killed in cities.
>>65264074Depends, Ukraine just may eat everyones lunch and make their own open source software that is even better than ELRS and with plenty of milirary oriented features.
>>65260579why would they? people will buy cheap chinese shit as long as it has "gaming" and "pro" sticker on it along with some cheap leds
>>65264108They could take a few export markets but places like the US, France and UK will develop their own systems for domestic capability and get fucked on price by natural monopolies.That reminds me, time to buy some TXN.
>>65264069Occupation duties
>>65260579>>65264117Imagine trying to sell a console with $500 controllers.>PS 5 is now $1200 with one controller or $1700 with two>it's totally worth it guys
>>65264150>>65260579A radiomaster pocket is only like 70 bucks and you can swap out the gimbal sticks for gamepad style thumb pads. No reason to need a gamepad when theres already a gamepad sized radio controller out there thats Ukraine war approved, I saw a guy use one for their new interceptor drones.
>>65264155>A radiomaster pocket is only like 70 bucks and you can swap out the gimbal sticks for gamepad style thumb padsGo the other way, use a USB game controller and swap out the thumbpads for gimbal sticks.Or someone just brings a game controller to market that has optional return springs or modular sticks or something
>>65264178Easier said than done, Gimbals and controller thumbsticks are 2 different things and if you're interesting in learning how drones IRL work the ability to use the actual controller you can use on your drone in a game is already a fantastic option. If you're talking about turning a game controller into a radio controller that's worse than starting from scratch.
>>65264563>If you're talking about turning a game controller into a radio controller that's worse than starting from scratch.no, just make it able to perform as a controller with a usb cableIt's good enough for Lift Off, you can probably make a usb connected radio module too.
>>65264598Like I said, there are game controller sized and styled radio controllers already out there that are great for both simulators and IRL. No one serious about drones uses a game pad for flying these things for multiple reasons, one of them being in the prior sentence.
>>65259175tried to recreate the first part of the video in liftoff. someone test it and finish it i suck so bad with the editorhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3749948661
>>65264622Unfortunately I play Uncrashed, I'd check it out otherwise.
>>65260579BetaFPV actually does make a USB-only controller for drone simulators. Costs about $20.
>>65264609>No one serious about drones uses a game pad for flying these things for multiple reasonsSure, we're discussing how things might evolve due to mass adoption of drone tech by militaries, and perhaps society in general.When drone skills are essentially an extension of firearm skills, the field will evolve.
>>65264724Like another anon mentioned there's already gimbal USB controllers without the radio hardware. Drone piloting is still going to be niche for civilians outside of hobbyists and professional photographers.
>>65260579>Why dont they make gaming pads like that?The key difference between a drone controller and a game controller is return springs.Game controllers are self-centering.I've used lift-off on a steam deck (which is self-centering as it's a game controller) and it's fucking hard to fly when your sticks are continuously fighting your inputs.That was the only issue though, so it just requires a slightly different kind of game controller (and radio module) and it could work.
>>65264738>there's already gimbal USB controllers without the radio hardwareI'm >>65264740 and I've used a radiomaster TX12 via USB without a radio module too.It's the standard way to learn I think.
>>65264742I've been more into freestyle flying so I just plugged my Pocket into my PC to do time in simulators, really any option with proper gimbals is necessary to learn how to fly like the pros do.
>>65264740>Game controllers are self-centering.>I've used lift-off on a steam deck (which is self-centering as it's a game controller) and it's fucking hard to fly when your sticks are continuously fighting your inputs.How hard is it to take out the springs without fucking up the controller? Assuming you don't want it for normal games.I'm talking about the Steam Decks the Ukrainians used and such.
>>65265211Excuse me grabbing a literal youtube thumbnail but it was the first image I could find with the inside of a typical analog stick assembly. While you can theoretically open them you don't really want to, they're typically treated as a single module to be desoldered and replaced rather than repaired or modified.Basic ones are super cheap though, so I guess you could buy a big old bag of them from China and just accept a failure rate of however many % from ones that don't take so kindly to you yanking them open.
>>65265211>How hard is it to take out the springs without fucking up the controller?In a joystick, it would be pretty easy, I've opened up and fucked with them and back in the day, lots of people would have problems with return springs being worn or broken and replace them or upgrade them for stronger/weaker return.Controllers are a bit of a different story though, it's a sealed unit and pretty small, technically it should be doable but it's not a trivial task any more and is going to take some gear, expertise, and failures before you get it right.They don't necessarily use springs any more either, there are other mechanisms in play too. You'd have to research it on a case by case basis, though there's only a couple of such units used so it wouldn't be that hard to research them at least.
>>65265253>Basic ones are super cheap though, so I guess you could buy a big old bag of them from China and just accept a failure rate of however many % from ones that don't take so kindly to you yanking them openYeah, I think that's the right idea, buy a 50 pack on aliexpress and fuck with them until you work out how to do it.Wouldn't cost all that much to do and could be an interesting project.
>>65259348They don't use these because they reduce range unsurprisingly.
