You're not one of those people who have emotional attachments to the M16, are you unc?
>>65261398These boomer millennials obsessed with their grandpa GWOT era m4s fucking obsolete rifles Get with the fucking times and superior ww3 era small arms Unc out there playing with his 5.56mm thinking he’s cool
>>65261398I'm emotionally attached to all my guns
I only have four gunz and I'm emotionally attached to each one of them
>>65261398This is all I need for WW3.>bb-buh where's the tacticool rail and gay scope like I'm cawadoody larperator!!!1Don't need that bloat.
I'm a short barrel king.
>>65261398I mean I love the M16 and think it’s cool but yeah anyone that’s had to actually use their rifle for anything (competition, training, hunting, etc) could tell you that longer barrels suck
>>65261407This. It’s not like the Armalite tranny rifle ever actually won a war. It’s just been shilled by POG guardsmen that bought that have never actually been in a firefight and are scared of recoil breaking their fragile non milk drinking collar bones. They’re all a bunch of bitch boys if you ask me.
>>65261398The future is a M4 with suppressor and M855A1++P++ 85,000psi chamber pressures. 5.56mm is not going anywhere but overgassed.
>>65261463>20" barrel + fixed carry handle>doesn't even have 1:12 twist barrel
>>65261558Niggas will say this and then shill the biggest piece of shit you’ve ever seen instead
>>65261571There’s a reason they were unboxing old M-14s in Afghanistan anon. 5.56 is a meme caliber rolled out so they could field something even a woman can shoot.
>>65261407>grandpa GWOT era m4sI had the displeasure of clicking on some genx retard's video where he's complaining that the US isn't doing enough incremental improvements past the outdated quadrail, nonfreefloated heavy barrel M4A1 and then in the same breath claimed the M4A1 was the exact same as the M4, ignoring the incremental improvements that were literally his whole argument. He started the video being mad about M16A2 in bosnian peacekeeping when canada had the C-whatever with optics and a toprail.
>>65261577Ah yes let me unbox my 5moa gun that was shit even when it was originally adopted to fight in a desert (exposed action btw)
>>65261584Well he’s right. All they ever really did was shorten the barrel to make it MORE anemic than it already was and slapped an ACOG on top.
>>65261587I’m not saying the M-14 wasn’t a piece of shit anon. I’m just saying it was INFINITELY BETTER than the M-4 because it doesn’t fire a woman’s round.
>>65261558You are fat, brown, and noguns.
>>65261584Well he’s right, it’s been decades since the M4A1 and it’s probably still the most commonly issued rifle today. Like for civilians, it’s not difficult to get a free floated, CHF non-govt profile barrel with a better gas length/system and some of them can probably withstand higher pressure ammo far longer. It’s stupid that they haven’t really updated it except for the URGI which is only going to select units
>>65261606>Waaah! My little shoulder can’t take the pounding that a .30 dishes out! Wah!Thats you. That’s what you sound like. .308 mogs 5.56. Get over it sissy.
>>65261615*runs out of ammo midway through firefight*This is your brain on .308
>>65261623>M-muh carrying capacity!Oh no you’ll have to leave your Rip It’s and Poptarts at home when you go out you poor little poopy diaper bitch baby! How ever will you survive?
>>65261633*runs out of ammo anyway*Oops!
>>65261635All I’m hearing is that you can’t carry your ruck. Fucking low T chick shit. They could reduce the army by a full 50% and weed out the pussies and lose absolutely nothing of value. Disgusting fucking fat bodies and women. Just like you.
>>65261647*runs out of ammo*Oh shoot you still died!
>>65261593>Well he’s right. All they ever really did was shorten the barrel to make it MORE anemic than it already was and slapped an ACOG on top.M855 to M855A1, they upped the pressure and added a steel penetrator. Also heavier barrel means longer sustained rapid fire.
>Enemy shooting at you from 271 yards away5.56 cucks>Oh no whatever will I do! That’s cheating..308 CHADS>BANG BANG BANG>Enemy shooting at your from behind a cinderblock wall5.56 cucks>Oh no! They can’t do that! This isn’t fair!.308 CHADS>BANG BANG BANG
>>65261671*runs out of ammo and gets gunned down*Damn .308 chads, I’m not feelin too hot…
>>65261671>can't even shoot to 300 with 5.56
>>65261658>720 rounds of 5.56>20 lbs>720 rounds of .308>37 lbs>SARNT I CANT CARRY 17 MORE POUNDS OF AMMO!!! B-BECAUSE I JUST CANT OKAY!!!You are who everyone is talking about when we say they’re lowering standards.
>>65261609>It’s stupid that they haven’t really updated it except for the URGI which is only going to select unitsJust like the M7 going to select units.>why aren't they upgrading? no those upgrades don't countA slightly better carbine is already going to the units that are most likely to see combat and a slightly better carbine isn't going to be a significant factor in the way the US fights wars, which is all about using overwhelming supporting artillery, missiles and aircraft all guided by superior communication, intelligence and command, control, communications and computers (C4) all backed by a superior logistics with a superior budget that buys near infinite ammunition and supplies.
>>6526168617 pounds for the SAME amount of rounds?? What if they carry 17 MORE pounds of 5.56? You’re just fucked, it’s over in any scenario
>>65261463this except A1 / SP1 slabside pencil barrel(plus a whole bunch of older bigger-caliber rifles)
>>65261686how many rounds would 37 lbs of 5.56 be?
>>65261688Well the M7 in theory is going to all of the infantry units while the URGI is exclusive to army special forces pretty much, huge difference there in terms of availability. And you’re correct! They’re not the main killers of infantry, however, that doesn’t mean they won’t see extensive use in any conflict. Ukraine right now, while it has its own specific circumstances and conditions that aren’t always applicable, the vast majority of casualties are caused by artillery and shrapnel. That doesn’t mean dudes aren’t actively shooting each other on the daily with their rifles. I think a slight upgrade program instead of a terrible new rifle would be the more cost efficient and frankly superior option here
>>65261695>>65261700>B-but you can just carry MORE 5.56!Why would you carry more bitch bullets when you can carry real bullets? You’re being retarded and gay.
7.62mm DMR is just an inferior M240B which will have a better hit rate and effects. Hit rate is probability of at least one hit in an engagement, not hits per round fired. Setup the tripod and the 240B is a laser, mogged only by the M2A1 .50cal.
>>65261718Because you’re just gonna run out quicker and die, dumbass
>>65261718post battle rifle or shut up
>>65261726So 720 is fine for 5.56 but not for 7.62? Okay sure bud. You totally know what you’re talking about and not coping for the inability to squat your own body weight.
>>65261728Post tits or GTFO female.
>>65261734It’s not fine because no matter how much 7.62 you carry, you can ALWAYS carry way more 5.56 for the weight. You can cope but it won’t change that fact
>>65261741Right but it’s mostly useless so your entire premise is retarded.
>>65261740oh, look at the little faggot, he's just arguing because he's lonely. he doesn't even believe anything he's saying.
>>65261746Holy cope lmao
>>65261757The truth hurts doesn’t it ARG tranny? The reality is your gun is as impotent as you are. You’re never going to use it in WW3TEOTWAKINWOLGBTQIAMMIW because it’s all head cannon LARP and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about but you already paid your $500 so now you cope and seethe. More effective bullets=better service rifle. End of fucking story.
>>65261770I don't care the your dad beat you as a child, you need to start acting like an adult now.
>>65261765>Be 5.56 cuck>BANG!>I GOT HIM!>Oh shit he’s still alive…>BANG BANG>Oh shit he’s STILL alive…>BANG BANG BANG>Oh thank god that’s over. Glad I had all this extra ammo.>Be .308 CHAD>BANG>The END
>>65261777Such a waste. Show me a single ballistic advantage that 5.56 has over .308. Because so far all I’ve seen is>My wittle back hurts
>>65261463Based fuddReject (((progress))) embrace tradition
>>65261787Wasn’t this guy a furry that got banished to discord and groom little boys?
>>65261783>wah wah wah, give me attention!ok, I'll give you all the (You)s you desperately want.
>>65261795Because you can’t hide behind the actual ballistic data or your bench press but still have the narcissistic need to get the last word in a shit posting contest you LOST ALREADY. Fucking faggot.
>>65261801here's your (You), faggot
>>65261803Don’t you have an unfired Harrier to clean bitch wrists?
>>65261808another (You)
>>65261810No (You)
>>65261813are (You) copying me? how petty.
>>65261817Are YOU copying me? How gay.
>>65261819>it can only copySad! who did you steal your entire battle rifle spiel from? oh and here's you (You)
>>65261828>BRRRAAAA I CAN ONLY COPY POOPY FOR MY BUNGHOLE RRRRRRAAAAHHHHH I NEED POPTARTS FOR MY M4 BRRRRRAAAAHHHHH
>>65261837oh, it's a phone poster. well, I said I'd keep giving you (You)s, so here you go.
>>65261844Give this to your sissy gun and it might start shooting real bullets.
>>6526167199% of people aren't gonna be doing shit to you at 300 either retard lmao
>>65261850you really are greedy for the (You)s
>>65261851God I love shitting on ARG school shooter trannies and their wussy guns.
>>65261778In your fantasy maybe, meanwhile irl:>unusually deadly
>>65261852Yeah I’m a sore winner. I love rubbing it in and bullying ARG queers. You’re just bad people. And lazy. It’s why you shoot up schools and take SSRIs.
>>65261868not even trying to hid your bait now, huh? here's your (You)
>>65261861>Quite probably>Back in ‘Nam>Muh Geneva ConventionKek that’s a nice ad from Armalite. You going to tell me about hydrostatic shock and muh TWO WORLD WARS next?
>>65261757Disregard ragebait, post sex.
>>65261881Results speak for themselves, 5.56 is just deadlier than your shitty fudd round. The worst part is you won’t even commit to the bit and switch to 300 winmag
>>65261871>>65261882Really not beating the pedo discord tranny allegations bros.
>>65261855woah that's crazy, do you even shoot tho?
>>65261895Not children. You know. The only thing 5.56 has ever accomplished.
>>65261887yet another (You)
>>65261895he doesn't even have a battle rifle, this is just bait. or what zoomers think bait is.
>>65261906>>65261908Calm down Audrey
>>65261918and another (You)
>>65261925You
>>65261929(You)
>>65261931No (YoU)
>>65261932here's your (You)
>>65261463I trained on this in my ROTC days in my country. It's a hand me down from the Regular Army. Got a really sentimental attachment to it.
>>65261407
>>65261398>carry something other than 9mm strikerslop>get called obsolete and at a tacticool disadvantage>carry actual obsolete rifle>everyone claps their hands???
>>65261942Youuuuuuuuure gay
>>65262155back for more (You)s?
>>65261463>govt profile barrelFAT!
>>65261398Who you calling unc?
>>65261783Less flash/recoil, less overpenetration, more capacity in standard mags, more useful in CQB and MOUT, more than enough at engagements within the 200m mark but let's face it you're a larper and a consoomer so none of this is applicable>it's also cheaper to practice with
>>65262135>9mm strikerslop from 1985*
>>65261463>*Gets identified and tracked by drone*>*droned by different drone later that evening*
>>65262390how is a fancy rifle supposed to stop that?
>>652621359mm strikerslop is unironically the best at everything a pistol needs to do, enough powah for niggerblastin while small and controllable enough to conceal for basically anyone. they're also incredibly durable and simple to operate/clean, which is always a helpful trait for a gun you keep next to your sweaty body all day. rifles are specialist tools, ARs are awesome but more often than not you need a different tool and/or caliber for the job, especially in places with grizzly/moose/bison to contend with.
>>65261398I really should have bought one of these when I could, but now I can't because WA banned them. I didn't like it since I already had a bunch of AR-15s, and it was just so damn heavy.
>>65262395It’s not. Being 20 years behind is better than being 50 years behind though
>>65261411>>65261454I have three guns and I don't really like any of them.
>>65261721OK, but I can legally own and afford a 7.62 DMR.
>>65262321>more than enough at engagements within the 200m markI have never shot a deer at LESS than 300m.t. westfag
>>65261463This is all I need for Ukraine 2>But muh modern tactical attachments and intact tritium emissionDont need it. 35-40 year old rifles are still tip of the spear. It can be configured with triad rail, peq 2 and vertical foregrip if needed.
>>65261398>You're not one of those people who have emotional attachments to the M16, are you unc?I actually do since it was my issued rifle in Vietnam (in CoD Black Ops and Black Ops Cold War).
>>65262390Not if I cover myself with car windows.
>>65261398416cucks talking about emotional attachment live in the glassiest of houses.
>>65261398NICE POODLE SHOOTERS ... NOT !!! ( AS THE CHILDREN SAY HA HA)-Bob-------------------------------------------------------------"Big" Bob LeMonpartéProud NEAR-VIETNAM VETERANUSAF 1978-1978New Jersey National Guard Tryouts 1981UAW Local 1183 1981-2007Lot Porter at Haywood Jablome Chevrolet 2011-Present
>>65261686>>65261718>>65261740>>65261757>>65261783I guarantee you are overweight and out of shape.
>>65261790Troll or not, shut your faggot mouth.
>>65261398>unc
>>65264347That’s Flandre right?
>>65261783I am a battle rifle owning gigachad, I own all of the big three, but 5.56 is better for terminal ballistics, it mostly flies flatter and its tremendously easy to take follow up shots.
>>65261407Hey I want a 416A7/A8 clone but the $5k+ to get one is stupidly expensive when I can get the same experience with a $600 T91 upper.>417 - any variant - more expensive than the NRCH SCAR new and the RCH SCAR used.Maybe HK should just fucking cut it out?
>>65263482saved the threadthanks
>>65261714>>65261688M7 is dead, and all existing M7 rifles will be upgraded to the M8 configuration.Theres effectively a single unit in Big Army that has done testing with both versions, and the reports still came back with that its heavy as shit, the optic sucks ass, adding a PEQ and flashlight to it makes it suck even harder, in order to get any use out of the more powerful round you need an LPVO which adds a ton of weight, and it basically doesn't work without the suppressor and even with the can, it feels like you're on the verge of sustaining TBI after an extended shoot.If the M4 were to get an upgrade, an Mlok rail, a reprofile of the barrel, and an extension of the gas systemis basically all it needs. You could swap out the bolt for any of the enhanced reliability bolts I guess, but the M4 still works pretty fucking okay for most things.
6mm arc, case technology pushing higher pressures, and pxt barrels to extend life is the future of the AR platform.
It's gonna be 556 pushing 80k PSI.
>>65261398And that is an outdated variant of the HK416, which itself is behind no less than three generations of piston ARs explicitly designed to surpass it. People in glass houses shouldn't cast stones, and at least the M16/20" AR offers some things other rifles in the current meta don't. Also that's an airsoft gun, a decent one, but airshit nonetheless. I know you're an underage noguns but at least bother to find a stock image of an actual 416 before posting bait threads. >>65261407Fatass
>>65265631>it feels like you're on the verge of sustaining TBI after an extended shootThis is ample proof that soldiers are just making up reasons why the rifle is bad because they want to carry a light rifle even if a heavier rifle were better in everyway. You can't feel a TBI. Soldiers saying this has as much credibility as "The vibes were off bro".
>>65265653>>65265644>>65265631The stupid high pressure means it might as well be a disposable tool instead of a long time purchase, and the suppressor on the machine is really funny, it fucking catches fire.
>>65265826>Sure I don't serve buuuut the people that do are wrong about the gun Ive never touched in my life but is clearly superior to the M4 in every which way on paper because I know betterHeres your (you) pog champ>>65265832Suppressors especially on the M4 are nice. Being able to commubicate without earpro and comms, makes coordination far more facilitative than without. The thing is, the suppressor does fucking little to make the M7 feel less like you just got fucking kicked in the head, and I can only imagine how much worse the M8 is with even less barrel. Shooting a MK18 with a 10.5 already sucks ass, we might see guys fight over who gets to carry the M250 because it weighs as much as a loaded down M8, with a sane fucking. barrel length. Plus, seeing as its inheriting M240 doctrine of use, you'll only ever be shooting it prone. Yeah maneuvering sucks ass, but I'll take it over the M8
>>65266124I just can't over video footage of the suppressor catching on fire. Thats not stealthy.
>>65261587>any of this Lol, lamo.
>>65261886>5.56 is deadlier >not used in gpmgs or sniper rifles Bruh
>>65266268perhap i'm bitchmade but god damn the EBR is an uncomfortable gun to hold without bracing it in some weird way
>>65261398maybe.
>>65265832>>65266124High pressure 556 just mean pistol, magnum pistol and shotgun powders heavily compressed. Ergo much higher velocities at much lower uncorking pressures, you might have to enlarge the gas-port though. Check out " What is the LIMIT for 6mm ARC? (DON'T TRY THIS) " on yt, at 12:00 minutes he goes over the loads.
>>65261463>hides in treeline 300m away Heh nothing personal kidScopes are a must for actual combat get the a4 instead. Fucking carry handle faggots.
>>65261563based
>>65261584What your room temp IQ doesn't allow is the understanding of objective improvement verses subjective lateral change. If you think that the crane-O-ring, m4 cuts, h2 buffer, and socom profile barrel coming from the standard m4 is equivalent to the faggot shit now, you are retarded. Mlok is a weaker and less durable attachment method than picatinny, made for consumers and pussies. This is non negotiable, that is why every top attachment method remains and WILL remain picatinny. LVPO's are inferior to ACOGs in every measure in the real world, not faggot planned competition or theory gaming. LVPOs are heavier, larger, weaker and must be raccoon hand fucked. I don't need or want shit moving on the thing I am dependent on saving my life and taking them. Lift and stop being a dumbfuck faggot consumer.The market continues to make solutions for problems that don't exist to trick retards into giving them more money. Retards keep buying it, always, every fucking week. 'Buy this faggot angle grip for 40 dollars that give you zero leverage on your rifle'. Then you are constantly front tipping your rifle. Kill your self.
>>65268065And yet the entire tier1 military ar15 space is downstream of the civilian enthusiast market. And if you cant realize that MLOK is far more durable at a normalized weight against picrails than you are the most smoothbrained mongoloid on this board, and that is saying something.
>>65261790
>>65268107Swing your mlok rail against a tree, post a video. I throw my shit around like it owes me money. I have a ras 4 that has survived 7 deployments by dumb fuck army infantry and I still throw it in the back of the truck to go hog hunting. Keeps zero and not a dent.>normalized weightThere is the cope, constant unnecessary trade offs are not an objective improvement. Look, your ar and my ar are the same just with different crap put on them. There has been zero mechanical improvements for a solid 15 to 20 years on this platform. Your 'tier 1' guy gets flown in, does an op for 10 to 30 minutes and then flies out. They have an entire logistics and support system behind them. We don't. They can afford failure. We can't. Stop using zogbots burning our tax dollars as an excuse for your shitty spending habits.My A4 hits 28" steel at 660 yards with pmc m855 just fine. 350 and in on 18" is a cake walk. Why do I need to spend another 2 to 4 grand for high-speed bullshit? Most you people have never shot past 200 but need a 1moa spr and lvpo. This industry is a fucking joke.
>>65261463I want you to play insurgency or a similar game for exactly 5 hoursI want you to only use irons.and then I want you to come back and tell me how often you even saw the person who dunked on you.fuck irons.I tried so hard to be stubborn and like them but they just are bullshit.irons are for poor africans warlord underlings that would get btfo by drunk airshit players.
>>65268278The M4A1 and it's direct derivatives have killed the XM8, G36, SCAR L, M416, and still counting. The only problem with the M16A4 was short women and browns, as well as the dependence on mechanical infantry tactics. The IAR was an interesting idea but again ruined by retarded bean counters and under the table money grubbing. Shit constantly falls off, constant heat issues and complete lack of support and logistics from any other AR platform. The SCAR H is finally dead, S to spit, which was just an over priced and over hyped tranny FAL. I would love a better and improved system but there just isn't one, and year after year that rings truer and truer. This platform peaked during gwot and the rest has been incompetent consumer garbage to maintain a dieing and uninspired industry. How fast did we forget bendy bill and actual technical findings over flashy youtubers and marketing. Same shit as getting into debt for a 80,000 truck that won't last 5 years to show off to the people at 'church'. We haven't fought a near peer in nearly 80 years and we continue to lose, it is time to start asking questions. What do we do instead? Print more money and throw more shit against systems that actually work and would have kept working. Oh, well.
>>65268278>Swing your mlok rail against a tree, post a video. I throw my shit around like it owes me money. I have a ras 4 that has survived 7 deployments by dumb fuck army infantry and I still throw it in the back of the truck to go hog hunting. Keeps zero and not a dent.I said weight normalized, you can buy the military grad mlok rails from hodge, dd and geissele or even the new hk rail if you are looking for ultimate durability.>There has been zero mechanical improvements for a solid 15 to 20 years on this platformI agree that there are a lot of aspects of the rifle that havent received sufficient attention, but:- the drop-safe triggers(with the safety on "fire", the mil-spec fcg isnt drop safe there) with much faster lock-times(3-4 ms insted of 9+ms on mil-spec)- the improved buffer systems like jp rifles but especially the ones from the ppc 9mm space are much better- the kac-gas system and the new noveske with the straight gas tube(Introducing - Wide Feed Ramp System) are major upgradesand m855 is just shit ammo, nas3 are changing the game, soon 11.5 inch barrels with be the new 20inchers.
>>65261463>i'm sure to win this life-or-death gunfight because i cling to tradition and make things harder for myself
>>65268423Okay dude, keep huffing the copium. Not really my problem. >straight gas tubeYeah, because the standard gas tube in semi automatic systems blow left and right. You must have personally blown atleast 10 to warrant such a substantial deviation from the TDP. >11.5" is the new 20"NO. FREE. LUNCH. You MIGHT see a slight ballistic improvement but that also transfers to the 20" system. Also, good thing you got those straight tubes ready to make up for the bolt breakages due to pressure increases. I sure hope we don't have a global supply chain break down! Sure would be nice to have a low pressure 500 yard capable system that almost never experiences internal mechanical failure. You one of those that think chicken comes from the grocery store? Trade short term clout for long term stability. Niggas think that money and youtuber words is going to beat physics.
>>65261398no because im left handed and ars fart in my face
>>65268423>m855 is just shit ammoCompared to what at the same cost, availability and performance? I don't want to be shot by it and I assume you wouldn't either. I never said there wasn t better for more specific use cases, but again trade offs. Most of the world is using steel case put together by children or blind women in the desert. Don't bring up the skinnies either, investigation proved that was due to misses under severe stess. I hit you in the head with a rock you are going to have problems. A 62 grain object traveling at 3000 fps though? Just fine, right? You are a spoiled brat with severe marvel syndrome.
>>65261398Waffle mag AUG has been better than the AR since 77 sonny>>65268514No such problem for AUGtist chads
>>65268508> Yeah, because the standard gas tube in semi automatic systems blow left and right. You must have personally blown atleast 10 to warrant such a substantial deviation from the TDP. you said there were no improvements, i said the gas efficiency of gas tube and gas block can be improved>NO. FREE. LUNCH. You MIGHT see a slight ballistic improvement but that also transfers to the 20" systemon a properly set up high pressure loading can drive any available bullet to its maximum velocity within 11.5 inches>Compared to what at the same cost, availability and performance? compared to any modern military, duty or hunting ammo in 556
>>65268633>efficiency of gas tube and gas block can be improvedOnce again, that is not an improvement. You have to damage the logistics of the system for ZERO gain. Higher pressures result in bolt failure, eroded gas ports and worn springs. Blown tubes are extremely rare unless ran like a LMG. >on a properl.....You have to invent problems to solve the problems you invented. We already had a properly gassed system, had one for 60 years. You want to ruin the systems design to run a short barrel which is shit other than saving space for a suppressor. IF you run a carbine gas with high pressure loads and a suppressor that is a very short lived and expensive commodity. You will not beat physics. >compared to...Not at the same costs, availability or performance. I use and stockpile 77gr SMK but that shit is almost always out of stock and over a dollar a round. I have 10x the amount of m855 stocked and I can buy it at any time for around .40 cents a round right now. For a do all general purpose round out to 300, maybe 500 yards, it can't be beat. It kills hogs and deer just fine in my experience, just know its limitations and work around that instead of throwing money at the wall and still sucking ass.
>>65268705You are a braindead luddite, btw if you use high pressure cases with pistol powder you get max velocity and a gun that doesnt cycle because the gas port pressure is too low.
>>65268705>m855 stocked and I can buy it at any time for around .40 cents a round right now. For a do all general purpose round out to 300, maybe 500 yards, it can't be beatLmfao 20" owners are such fucking brainlets. Random ass 55gr is better than m855 let along any JSP, BT, or OTM. It's the dane cook of 5.56 loads.
>>65268712>loses the argument, pisses his pantsWhat is the expectation here? Using powder optimized to burn at 5" in a 11.5" sbr? You think a straight gas tube will fix operational function? Niggas would rather use a 1500-3000 dollar D.I. bolt gun with lower velocities than a fucking 16" or 20". I hate shorty faggots so much.
>>65268745Retard, the high-pressure ultra short barrel velocites are more than a 1000fps faster than brass out of a 20 inch.
>>65268735You can't read. I run SMK and M855 in my 14.5, 16 and 20". Unless I am trying to do unrealistic bullshit there is no tangible difference out to 300 yards, not in my experience. Do you not understand gives and takes? Do you not understand cost to performance ratios? Would you want to get shot by either? Also, 55 grain performs worse in every gun I own except my Block II Colt. It is the pickiest rifle I own, it only shoots federal 55gr and Razorcore 77gr below 3" but those two loads are close to 1" in it. My Block I Navy (BCM) and M16A4 (Colt) are consistent 2" to 2.5" moa rilfes. PMC XTAC performing the best. Which is plenty for a man sized target out to 500 yards if the shooter is up for it. Under high stress that is pretty damn good out to 300 yards. I also have a 11.5" (BCM) and a 18" (FN) with mlok that sit in the closet.
>>65268754You are claiming 4200 fps out of an 11.5"? Just so we are clear. You are also claiming that you couldn't increase the 20" in the same manner? You are also calling me a retard while ZERO governments, corporations or agencies are not immediately directing all funding and R&D into this? I mean this is Earth shattering stuff here and all you had to do was swap a lower performing faster burning powder? Wow.
>>65262634Main thing is that it could use a better sight.
>>65261398>thread making fun of how emotional AR fags get>AR fags screeching and crying about retarded shitLike pottery
>>65268784Yes, Hodgdon universal as a powder for example, gets 108 grain 6arc to 4700fps.(What is the LIMIT for 6mm ARC? (DON'T TRY THIS) >You are also claiming that you couldn't increase the 20" in the same manner?Having full powder burn before the bullet even starts to move massively increases the thermal efficiency of the heat reaction propelling the bullet. The energy contained in the gas is "spent" well before 11.5 inches of barrel.>You are also calling me a retard while ZERO governments, corporations or agencies are not immediately directing all funding and R&D into this? NGSW is eight(!) years old at this point and HICAR was announced last month, also you dont know whats happening behind the scenes.
>>65268839Great, another overpriced low availability meme cartridge that will die after it has been pumped and dumped after draining consumerists retards of every penny. How many of those are we up to now? How many rifles will you have to build before the hole is filled? In other news, .308 and 5.56 still march on globally.
>>65268853Are you trolling? I cited that 6arc loading to demonstrate the performance you can do the same thing in 556 and 308.
>>65268839Never Going to See Warfare is dead, every branch other than the army rejected it (150 Million flushed) which led to HICAR. HICAR is the indian call center of firearm programs. I will believe it when I see it, right now it is all talk and tax theft. >>65268862Said the same shit for the last 10+ failed M4 replacements or 'improvements'. Give me the meat, where is it? Meanwhile every other Military in the world continues to use what has worked for the last 60+ years. Nothing in combat, other than drones, warrant such a change. It is to the point that a single infantry man could run around with a handgun and it wouldn't effect the over all outcome. Modern govt. small arm weapon programs are scams, simple as.We are in the the fall of Rome, an age of complete greed and incompetence. We have removed all the spirits that laid the foundation of today and replaced them with mouth breathing consumer retards. Keep praying to daddy govt. for your next fix, I will continue to train with my M16.
>>65268897Agreed on NGSW but HICAR is fantastic massive improvement to the m4. Also agreed on the failed m4 replacements.
So ah why didnt the US Army adopt the AR-10?
millennials stole 'unc' like gen-x stole 'bling bling'
>>65268961HICAR also allows cool shit like 97gr supersonic tungsten AP that consistently beats Level IV.
