Just how bad is the C2 in the russian army?Shouldn't a sergeant have like ~8 people under him?
>>65261836I'm legit surprised any part of the russian military works at all. like how have they not collapsed when 90% of them are retarded?
As far as I know, Sergeants in the Russian army are something that's entirely different from the West. Meanwhile, as part of their latest round of reforms the Ukrainians are increasing the number of Sergeants in their military to an even larger degree. Plus now they're introducing Drill Sergeants into their basic training as well. Whereas before it was just instructors that did specific types of training training.>>65261874The fuck is in the jar? Spoiled meat?
Lol, looks like they're down to whatever babushkas send as donations. I don't know if its spoiled or just regular russian food by the appearance, but thats a fucking mason jar of preserved meat as a military ration, lmao
>>65261874>>65261901>>65261915Wasn't there some sort of dog meat escapade a couple years back?
>>65261901>wtf is jarProbably mayonnaise and meat like a chicken salad or tuna salad. Possibly spoiled if it was sent in the mail. Euros and worse love to complain about fat fucks using ranch as a dipping sauce and then mix everything in mayonnaise.
>>65261915>preservedi think the problem is that it isn't preserved
>>65261930t. fat fuck
>>65261901>The fuck is in the jar?Maggots.>>65261927>Wasn't there some sort of dog meat escapade a couple years back?Those were normal nork rations that the Russians traded for and then got butthurt about when someone bothered to translate the label. Dog is a traditional food in many cultures including both Koreas.
>>65261957>Dog is a traditional food in many culturesIsn't it literally just both Koreas and China?
>>65261836Russia is all the worst organization of WW1 european militiaires with none of the professionalism. They're very dependent on their junior officers directing basic tasks that should be automatic.>squad sergeant of the assault group so 160 menThere's either a mistranslation here or major missing context. I doubt he's a "squad sergeant" and probably a "squadron sergeant" for the group. Meaning a sergeant major or some other group role.The Chinese are also trying to establish US-style NCOs, because they see low level leadership as less of a threat than competent officers. Probably won't work because Chinese and Russian culture and thinking doesn't support the idea, so the soldiers will fail.
>>65261961Dog used to be eaten just about everywhere. What are you going to do in a famine, not eat the dog? Basically all of Asia and pacific islands eats dogs, or did until recently. Korea banned eating dogs for the 1980s olympics, but you can still find it for sale.
>>65261961>In the 21st century, dog meat is consumed to a limited extent in Cambodia,[7] China,[8] parts of Northeastern India,[9] Indonesia, Ghana, Laos,[10] Nigeria,[11] North Korea,[12][13] South Korea,[14][15] and Switzerland.[16] In these areas, the legality of dog meat consumption varies with some nations permitting it or lacking a nationwide ban. It was estimated in 2014 that worldwide, 25 million dogs were eaten each year by humans.[17][needs update]>Some cultures view the consumption of dog meat as part of their traditional, ritualistic, or day-to-day cuisine, and other cultures consider consumption of dog meat a taboo, even where it had been consumed in the past. Opinions also vary drastically across different regions within different countries.[18][19]
i know a few people in and adjacent to the dutch military, and one of the biggest bottlenecks to the massive expansion our army is currently undergoing is (as far as they've told me) is apparently the amount of NCO's we can train up, it's actually very difficult finding people fit for it and you can never have enough of them, i find it funny that in contrast the russian army just goes>we don't have enough? fuck it just put more men under each NCO.
>>65261915Lel. Better re-learn to make American Civil War era hard tack, beef jerky and pemmican.
>>65261975Yeah, same thing in the leaf army
>>65261901>The fuck is in the jar?Maggoty pork. Uma delicia.>>65261952>i think the problem is that it isn't preservedIt probably was, once upon a time. Pork doesn't dry nearly as nicely as red meat (apparently horse jerky is damn good; never had any myself) so your options for preserving it without refrigeration are either salting, curing and smoking (which also requires a considerable amount of salt as well as certain larger cuts), pickling (doesn't really work for meat) or canning. Salting is the better option but it takes quite a bit of salt, which wasn't a given. It was very possible that if (you) were a poor farmer or if there was some war or diplomatic pissing match stopping salt from getting to you then you'd be stuck with a hog that needs slaughtering and not enough salt to preserve it so you'd have to make do. Problem is, before the 19th century modern canning didn't exist so the next best thing would be potting. Potting is basically making a confit and then adding extra fat over the top to make a nice hard layer that seals everything up. It works pretty well, all things considered, and some share of meat was often potted even when there was salt available because it was basically the only method for preserving meat in a ready-to-eat state. However, if you want your preserved meat to STAY preserved it needs to stay to be undisturbed and stored in a cool, dark place like a cellar. Also worth noting is that the traditional methods have fallen out of favor almost entirely because dude botulism lmao. You can still can or even pot meat safely (relatively in the case of potting), but you really need a pressure canner either way because botulism spores don't die until ~250F.
>>65261874Watching this war from the Russian perspective made me realize I took my whole enlistment for granted lol. I used to be a real sourpuss because I had to live off MREs for 2 months straight, or the ship's PX would run out of snuff. Now I realize it wasnt so bad
>>65261874>what the fuck is this?Extra protein and energy medical supplies
>>65261874It's just pickled ham. Cope.
>>65262315>potted meatHuh. I learned something today, cool.
>>65262333Generations of American soldiers have been supplied far better than their enemies. Still the natural tendency of junior enlisted men to bitch comes forth. You're not the only one.
>>65262315How the fuck did maggots get in there though?Like, even if it was just a mason jar of boiled pork trimmings, you'd think they'd keep a lid on it.
>>65262315Quality post.
>>65262672Flies landed on the meat during prep/canning etc and laid eggsEggs hatch during transit Wa la
>>65261972Add Vietnam to the list. t. married into viets, have eaten dog in viet
>>65262315Pressure cookers should realistically be common/required for any canned meats to kill the spores.Drying out the meat and sealing also works as botulism requires water to procreate and create toxins.You can also use acidity or salting/brining/pickling to stop botulism if you do not have access to a pressure cooker.Otherwise known as acidic fruit, vinegar and salt. You can even use high amounts of sugar but that depends on the preserve, or if you use a glaze.Sodium nitrite can also bind the poison it creates, celery powder releases it over time.Technically for most purposes, sealing meat in confit (fat) like OP is mostly safe, but does come with a problematic risk of long term botulism and in OP's case fly strike.And lastly you can smoke your food, which you can combine with any of the above methods.
>>65261968SK banned it properly I think in 2020. You wont find it sold openly.
Bulgogi is Oscar! You're eating the dog!
>>65262712Very informative, thank you. We've pickled meat before but not whole hogs or anything, more just to do it. I would guess that smoking meat would be the go-to, maybe making some sort of jerky, but there's got to be a reason they aren't opting for that.
>>65262315Based meat preserver
>>65262429Yeah. It's a method of cooking and preservation that has literally been around for centuries.One place that sticks out in my mind is mince pies in medieval Europe.Basically any meat that could be found (including cats, rats, etc) was minced, cooked, rammed into a pie crust with whatever spices could be found, cooked, and then a layer of hot liquid lard or butter was squeezed in, so that when the lard cooled, it would seal the pie, and you and your family could eat it for weeks (these pies were huge, like feet across).
>>65262768>I would guess that smoking meat would be the go-to, maybe making some sort of jerky, but there's got to be a reason they aren't opting for that.Pork jerky is a bit of a pain in the ass because raw pork fat exposed to oxygen goes rancid almost immediately. Poultry also doesn't dry or even cure well, for similar reasons, but also because of the structure of the flesh. Dried fish goes back into the dimmest recesses of pre-history.As for ham: If you've ever read old cookbooks and they talk about taking a preserved ham and trimming, scrubbing, skinning and/or simmering it before roasting and serving it, that's because traditional dry-cured hams meant to last in the absence of powered refrigeration were (they more-or-less don't exist commercially at this point, even the "country hams" of the tidewater are less salty) uncooked and covered in a protective crust and could in fact be so dry and salty that they were inedible in large portions otherwise - and after you remove that protective crust, the ham starts going rancid and/or rotten. They also take a considerable amount of time and expertise to make, and you only get four from each pig because they have to be made from a skin-on leg. And because they're each basically just a pig leg less some water weight, they usually weigh in at somewhere around 15-20lb. each and can't be subdivided.Honestly their best option would to just be to RETVRN to salo and herring. Would still be a shit option given the warm weather, but probably at least better than maggots.
>>65262752>Bulgogi is Oscar! You're eating the dog!Bulgogi is beef, kegogi is dog.
>>65262944Very true and my bad, I wasn't thinking of pork jerky so much as beef or venison (the latter being what we make). Pork in general is kinda annoying to preserve, when we slaughtered pigs it was usually for a family event or something, i don't remember my grandparents or parents ever wanting to bother with preserving any of it. Dried fish seems most realistic for them, but babushkas are going to kill their loved ones with good intentions and sloppy techniques.
>>65262944>raw pork fat exposed to oxygen goes rancid almost immediatelyHow immediately?
>>65261836In Bong army platoon a corporal typically has a section of 8 men (including themselves) and a sgt will responsible for 3-4 sections.
>>65261874Steviemre has gotten a lot swearier
>>65261975Issue in British military too. A lot of the decent people who would make good NCOs leave around the time they would be looking at promoting because retention is shite, so the retards who cant handle the real world and shouldn't be NCOs become NCOs. Then it becomes a feedback loop as guys get pissed off with bad NCOs and leave. It's even worse with officers, even good officers quickly have their impact negated by a single bad one.
Wtf /k/, I posted this looking forward to hearing your thoughts on NCO's and it turned into a discussion on eating dogs and spoiled meat right away.
>>65262925Whats your source for that because I've never heard of mince pies being made of put desperation meat.
>>65263678What's there to talk about, anyone who isn't a retard knows the value of having a strong NCO core and the issues with strict Russian style command and control
>>65261901>The fuck is in the jar? Spoiled meat?It's stewed meat ("tushonka"), but something happened and it wasn't sanitized so maggots grew there.
>>65262644>Still the natural tendency of junior enlisted men to bitch comes forth.This is a good thing, regardless of how good you have it you should always strive to improve
>>65261874>>65261957Lol. My grandpa once told me a story about how soviet flares ruined his Abendbrot. The cheese was fine until the illumination revealed the maggots.
>>65261961>>65261968One Canton of Switzerland still has people who occasionally make cat jerkey.
>>65263826I can't find it right now, on cell and don't have time.Obviously they called for "standard" meats in the cookbooks, but really whatever meat was available could be mixed in. The king of England in the 1400s (can't remember name) preferred minced meat pies to include game birds specifically, for instance, but that's far out of reach for literal peasants who could not afford that luxury.For the poorer classes, you put whatever you could in a mincemeat pie - that's why mincemeat was so common, you could mix anything together, say it was mainly whatever you thought was most appropriate, and cover up the taste with any spices and herbs you could get your hands on.>>65263829
>>65262684Voi la*
>>65263909the squeaky wheel gets the grease after all
I think this is a mistranslation and he's some kind of staff NCO
>>65264799Russia doesn't have NCOs.
>>65264799Its a video from UATV and it is their own translation. Its seems he was a contract soldier and part of the professional core running a storm group.
>>65261901>The fuck is in the jar?Presumably pickled meat that was poorly sealed and spoiled as a result
>>65264838One fun fact that I just recently learned is that Russia doesn't have MPs. The concept of an organic unit within the military upholding good order and discipline has literally never existed in all of Russian history, and is so foreign to the Russian mind that King Monke tried to create a Military Police corps during the 2011 reforms (pre Rosgvardia) but it was so anemic from corrupt commanders handicapping them that all they did was rear area security before getting disbanded.The function has historically always fallen to a separate ministry outside the control of the military, like the Tsarist Okhrana, NKVD, KGB, MVD, and now Chechen rape gangs.
>>65263969They also use the hides to make traditional cat skin blankets, and the norse used cat skin for gloves.
>>65265788>traditional cat skin blanketsGrim.Doesn't surprise me though, the Nordic countries are full of all kinds of weird shit.Google "Iceland necropants".
>>65266314There are undomesticated european cats in the nordic countries.
>>65263677>Rome wasn't built in a day, but it certainly was lost in oneIt is all so tiresome.
>>65266397I think you're confusing european wild cats (living through southern Europe) and Lynx.
>>65265775Russia would've been a real force to reckon with if the 2011 reforms actually went through. Instead the guy in charge of them got forced out because he kept telling the grifters to get fucked.
>>65262768Honestly smoking just creates tannins that kill bacteria.All of these methods are best used together, with most companies that store food use at least 2 of the methods. More methods the better.Most people drying huge chunks of meat use lots of salt for weeks, and then dry it in a basement on a hook once the salt is penetrated.Smoking into jerky is just a quicker way of impregnating tannins and drying the meat. However that dried meat must then be kept dry or, again, risk.
>>65262944Dry cured hams have a crust sure, but the internal dries without the salt impregnation, the salt on the exterior draws out the water.The entire hamhock hung in a basement loses almost 70% of its mass over 8 months, mostly water.
