Ukraine is recruiting nazi elves to attack Crimea on the solstice?
Total Talos Death, faggot.
>>65262693>NazisSo Ukraine is recruiting Russians?Big if true
>>65262700To be clear Ukraine definitely recruits Russians and even honors their service, not ironically but actually.
This war is endlessly amusing because you have Russians having to cope with the living proof that the only reason they ever survived against the fascists the first time around was because of Lend-Lease, the liberals tying themselves into knots pretending like Ukraine is secretly a gay progressive utopia, and Ukraine itself openly using fascist names and symbols and proving right-wing ideals correct through their success on the battlefield
>>65262706don't forget
>>65262709Aye, if there was any proof needed the the Republicans are just corporate stooges instead of genuine fascists it's the fact they won't even back Ukraine in its hour of need.
>>65262696TMDMD(Except the big tiddy dunmer)
>>65262709>Rtards prefer to turn America into an oligarchy In other news, water is indeed wet.
>>65262706Ukraine isn't a fascist country, and many of the units have made plenty of effort to disassociate from fascism including Azov.Zelenskyy's party ideology is liberalism.But it is true that many of the fighting elements have ties to the far right and the far right is politically present in the country.There is some degree of moral wrong to promoting fascism, but what ever degree of wrong is present here pales in comparison to scale of cruelty|evil that Russia engages in currently. This type of moral wrongness trumps the latter by several magnitudes. On a basic level Russia is engaged in a war of conquest against a nation and borders it itself claimed to respect. Russia uses terror and cruelty as standard tools of war. This should compel the world to prevent this behavior.I am a Democrat and have been since I became and adult.
>>65262733One would think that the whole Ukraine-deal would help teach that fascism/nazism =/= nationalism, especially when one looks at what makes someone "a nazi" in the eyes of Russia, for example
>>65262733>There is some degree of moral wrong to promoting fascismHardly, if anything this war proves why fascism is necessary. Libs love to bitch about patriarchy, closed borders, militarization, and nationalism, and yet it's proving a positive as the men of the country buckle down and do their duty.
>>65262747Whatever ideology might or might not exist in Ukraine the country is not a fascist enterprise.It still remains a democracy, and its head of state is a liberal.Yet it operates successfully militarily.All three axis nations lost their respective front. The only fascist state to have survived after the war was Spain, which later transition to liberalism.Evidence wise it seems like liberalism>fascism when it comes to fighting war.Lastly, this one might not be so relevant but yellow and blue doesn't code fascism to me.
>>65262757>It still remains a democracyKind of. It has a Roman style 'emergency dictatorship' currently.>its head of state is a liberalMaybe. His past is more liberal but he's recently undertaken much more nationalist actions such as naming a current military unit after a fascist paramilitary from WW2.>All three axis nations lost their respective front.Only because the UK and USA were supplying their enemies, which isn't happening this time.
>>65262743>especially when one looks at what makes someone "a nazi" in the eyes of Russiaisn't it just holding onto the grudge from ww2? no ideology or principle behind it, just anger at the time they got nationally humiliated.
>>65262761>Kind of. It has a Roman style 'emergency dictatorship' currently.Martial law under war circumstances is encoded into most liberal constitutions. It is not outside of the framework of liberalism.>he's recently undertaken much more nationalist actions such as naming a current military unit after a fascist paramilitary from WW2He did not name the unit. The unit chose it's own name and he chose to honor as them because they fought for their country.This does not constitute implementing fascism in any capacity. The unit was not honored for being fascist. >Only because the UK and USA were supplying their enemies, which isn't happening this time.Yes UK and USA, the liberal democracies defeated the axis power, yes that is my point.
>>65262764The way i understand it is that anything that opposes the Russuan view/narrative is labeled as nazism, especially if the subject is "former friends" (ie slave states) dearing to have their own national identity that doesnt involve sucking russian penis.Which is why vatnik shills always go straight for the "nazi butthurt belt" when dealing with the Baltics etc
>>65262771>Martial law under war circumstances is encoded into most liberal constitutionsNot America's, sadly.>The unit chose it's own name and he chose to honor as them because they fought for their country.Unfortunately in countries like America units often get punished for choosing 'problematic' symbols or names. Good on Ukraine for avoiding that cuckery.
>>65262693So that's what that White House meeting was all about
>>65262771>Yes UK and USA, the liberal democracies defeated the axis powerAnd look how they're paying for it now. Should've just let Germany finish Russia off.
>>65262795>And look how they're paying for it now.80 years of relative peace and prosperity.
>>65262693They're schizo posting over in telegram
>>65262799'Relative' lol, more like Russia and China being a pain in the ass the whole time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AvJzkPqQ8Look to the sky, way up on highThere in the night stars are now rightYears all have passed: now then at lastAir defence cucks, Drones all inbound!They will return: ziggers will learnNew kinds of fear when they are hereThey will reclaim all in their nameSkies turn to black when they come backIgnorant fools, Ukraine now rulesWhere they ruled then: it's theirs againTowns brightly burning, boiling and churningBode a returning season of doomScary scary scary scary solsticeVery very very scary solsticeUp from the sea, from undergroundDown from the sky, they're all aroundThey will return: ziggers will learnNew kinds of fear when they are hereLook to the sky, way up on highThere in the night stars now are rightThey will return
>>65262808I honestly cant pic up on shitposting or sarcasm any more, this fucking war has numbed me with regards to vatnik retardation
>>65262808>correct. russia is a democracy
>mention lend-lease>immediate kvetching
>>65262693>unironically referring to your enemy as "elves" and to yourself as "orcs"How easy it is to mindbreak these subhumans
>>65262693
>>65262731>picThis but unironically.
>>65262819Today is a good day to remind them that their grandfathers would've been repurposed into soap and lampshades if it wasn't for United Chads carrying the entire soviet war machine on their backs
>>65262771The problem the US has is that it doesn't understand necessary authoritarianism. I mean, the US held elections even during its civil war, it's a retarded overly liberal country.Now, this in itself wouldn't be too harmful, except it also leads to the US siding with the wrong side, much like how in WW2 the US supplied Russia with weapons or how in the modern day Trump chickened out and ended up helping Russia again. Any time a country displays a remote degree of healthy nationalism, the US backstabs them, usually to the benefit of Russia.
>>65262827>soap and lampshades who the fuck would want to rub russians all over them?
>>65262824Jesus didn't violate roman law, he violated rabbinic law (which was not the law of the land) and was held on counts of being an agitator of the masses. He did obey the law enforced upon the province.
>>65262841>ukraine. russia controls 19% of ukraine's internationally-recognized territory.How much of that territory did it control before 2022? How much has it captured since then? Also, how come the russian elections aren't suspended, yet they have the same leadership since 2000?
>>65262841>look we failed the 3 day SMO and we are on "just two more weeks" #132>but here are the reasons why russia has totally won and it isn't a pathetic failure that can't even supply it's own people in Crimeathis annon has CP on both his home and work computer
>>65262780Or in other words:
>>65262846If wiping out a third of russia's strategic bomber fleet is not a success, then what is?
>>65262733"Woah the people willing to fight for their country are largely nationalist edgelord chuds wearing sonnenrad patches instead of le wholesome chungus reddit liberals who largely ran away to central/western Europe?"
>>65262845Specifically the jewish authorities claimed his status as King of the Jews was an actual political claim and not religious metaphor.
>>65262841>yes. more specifically, it's a democratic republic. Nope, it is a 30 year old dictatorship where you get killed for speaking out against the dictator.Russia sought to over throw Ukraine's elected government, now you call him a dictator because you can't get rid of him.Russia's capital is currently getting bombed as we speak. Russia has been thoroughly demilitarized.You are bragging about causing a refugee crisis. This is the reason why you are considered subhuman.
>>65262693I don't see why you wouldn't use Nazi Elves any time of the year, they're not just for solistice and christmasits the Gun Wizards these russian niggers really need to worry about if Budanov can send them in
>>65262841If Ukraine held an election you would be kvetching how it's illegitimate because the people in occupied territories were unable to vote.
>>65262841Thank you VatnikGPT
>>65262693Something will happen tomorrow because Moscow is attacked everyday.
>>65262866>Vladimir Putin has been elected president of Ukraine, after a stunning 580% turnout in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts!
>>65262693And none of that would be possible without the Canadian RCNVR fighting the Battle of the Atlantic while America was sitting on the sidelines wanting nothing to do with a European war. Who the fuck do you think held the line, fought against the U-boat wolf packs, provided essential supplies to Britain? Yes, America proved supplies via the lend-lease program, but it was Canadian and British sailors who had to deliver said supplies.
>>65262873>Canada saved the sovietsI always knew you maple fuckers were evil
>yesterday>don't panic, everything is fine>today>EVERYTHING IS FUCKED START PANICKING what changed?
>>65262887>what changed?The date.
>>65262887Tbf i hadnt even considered how the lack of fuel will impact the russian agricultural sector in the coming months, with harvest season coming.We could be looking at a complete collapse with regards to harvesting and conservation as no diesel fuel is available for tractors and trucks. Which i find insanely funny
>>65262887>what changed?That's the thing with collapse, it's slow until it isn't.
>>65262841Trolling nigger; North Korea and China is also a democracy by your standards.
>>65262845Why did Roman procurator execute him then.
>>65262870Something might've happened already because the usual brown suspect is already seething for some reason:>>65262808>>65262841
>>65262873Hey dont forget all the Norwegian sailors and the 1000+ merchant ships we provided via Nortraship to sail in those convoys from day one.
>>65262894The jewish religious council kept pushing him to, he even tried offering a convicted murderer to execute instead, when the people instead chose the upstart preacher again he washed his hands of the matter.It took alot of effort for him to get executed according to the stories.
>>65262733Right now Ukraine is a model of why fascism works in certain pragmatic circumstances where democracy fails; look at America's performance in Iran for comparison, or even Israel versus Lebanon, or how long it's taken the democratic European countries to elect a response. Governments are tools. Bereft of systematic racism, fascism is no wronger than an axe or a knife.
>>65262891it probably won't be a disaster nowa lot of farms have fuel supplies on site that should allow them to get the harvest in.the next issue is getting the harvest to market. that also shouldn't be a problem provided someone remembers to give them priority for fuelthe real fucked part would be putting in next year's cropthe fuel crisis should be worse by then and not putting in enough of next year's crop is a next year problem. I'd wager that the kremlin will care more out the current crisis than allocate fuel to prevent next year's crisis
>>65262901I am not really interested in going in circle with different people on the same points.I have already address this 'Ukraine is fascist state' talking point:>>65262757
>>65262901Military dictatorships can work during times of crisis and war, that's pretty much the origin of the term since Sulla in the Roman times.
>>65262901Ukraine is a bit different from Iran, Iran isn't actively invading and marching troops across the border into America, shooting and kidnapping Americans.Ukraine's situation is an explicit battle of survival where if they don't fight they'll be conquered.
>>65262892Any kind of supply or finance problem is kind of funny like that, people can put up with some fucking around, waiting or just figuring out something else if they know there's some chance it is actually going to come with some relief.Until there is no chance and that's when the rush comes
>>65262887>Crimea is basically out of fuel and there's no way for it to get enough to supply the entire peninsula's population>Moscow got attacked for the 3rd time now. >The Black Sea had one or two earthquake events last night apparently>Crimea might legitimately not have enough food or power for everyone eitherTake your pick
>>65262847>Potatoman in Y2K looks like a shady used car salesman from the late 70sincrediblehe's going to get me 34.9% APR on Ford Pinto
>>65262887The crests are using earthquakes to attack crimea.
>>65262733>There is some degree of moral wrong to promoting fascismThere is nothing immoral about fascism. Its not even immoral in the Christian context (insofar as a concept of objective morality can only be derived from god), as Christianity itself is not democratic in its values and while its unusually magnanimous toward outgroups, its still fundamentally a ingroup/outgroup paradigm.
>>65262904>the fuel crisis should be worse by then and not putting in enough of next year's crop is a next year problem.Why worry about something that will not happen.jpg
>>65262922Nah that shit's pretty evil.Not recognizing rights of others is a core component of how modern people see evil.Don't be evil.
>>65262929>using one of the most famously known fake photographs I'm assuming you're trolling but these days you never know
>>65262920>earthquakeHow long until ziggers claim underground nuclear tests? (bomb generously provided by perfidious anglos of coure)I fully expect, as the Consequences™ keep rising, the blame narrative will reach ludicrous levels. After all, ziggers are completely incapable of introspection. Lightning strike? Hohol weather machine. Drought? Hohol burrowing in the earth and draining the aquifer. Ivan in kamchatka fell and dropped his vodka bottle? No of course it's not because he's piss drunk, it's a Hohol disorientation beam from space!!!
>>65262887huh?
>>65262942>Fake newsso true king.Don't forget.>It never happened>But they deserved it
>>65262945i assume it was meant to have "" in the first sentence, still it's an odd speech
>>65262943At first I thought it was something to do with that fuckhuge USV that they unveiled in Eurosatory but it was a legit earthquake
>>65262899You'd expect at least some balls from a Roman official, huh? >washed his handsFactually he agreed with what the public wanted and made a sorry excuse to shift the blame.
>>65262929>nazis = fascismgood to know you are an illiterate brainlet
>>65262985Communism has never been tried, trad and based version.
>>65262983>You'd expect at least some balls from a Roman official, huhhis job was to maintain Roman authority and prevents an other revolthe kept the Roman monopoly on the capital punishment and kept the jews from throwing a gasket
>>65262887Everything is so anal themed with them...
>>65262895They are in a frenzy because all the remaining ferry’s in Kerch were destroyed cutting off Crimea. And Crimea suspended the sale of gas to civilians.
>>65262922Fascism is fundamentally, structurally immoral, as are all forms of government that do not involve the consent of the governedBecause Fascism does not involve governing with the consent of the governed it can never be moral, no matter how effective or benevolent the government in question is.
>>65262987fascism and nazism isn't the same political ideologypretending it is makes you dishonest or retarded >but muh WWIIso the Fins where also fascism nazi emperor worshipping imperialists
>>65262995Being a faggot is the most trad thing of all for russians, its an integral part of their culture for centuries.Also they can never get over the massive victim complex they have.
>>65262904>the fuel crisis should be worse by then and not putting in enough of next year's crop is a next year problem.Well as long as Ukraine's simply going for refineries, can't the Russians just start mass-buying and importing fuel from Asia?It will cost them a ton but they should be able to stabilise their fuel situation.Though anything that stores any amount of gas bigger than a petrol station is painting a target on itself so I'm not sure if there's a way to do this without giving Ukraine an obvious next target the moment they run out of refineries.
>>65262887>dig up those potatoes and boil em mash em stick ‘em in a stew
>>65262992We both know Romans weren't shy about using force when dealing with uprisings, so it's clearly a lack of character.
>>65262999You are the retard, and you're seething.
>>65263005>what about second breakfast cyka?
>>65263000trips don't lie
>>65263001there's also the issue of moving all that feul aroundrussia is big and I do mean BIG and has shit infrastructure that makes it more efficient to get your scale advantages on transport rather than refining.so they pipe crude and gas and then refine them close to their end users or export terminalsas a result they don't have nearly as much tanker transport capacity they would have given their size, population and large oil industry. importing can't fully compensate and every train hauling feul to moscow is one that leaves the hinterland without fuel.
>>65263000checked trips of truth
>>65263005>boil em mash em stick em up my ass-Cэмyaйз Гэмджи
>>65263012fascism was the worship of the state, a comple surrender to the res publicanazism was the worship of the ethnic in grouphence why there where jews in both the Italian and Finish armies but none inthe German. hence why the Germans went out of their way to force or at least try to force them to give up their own jews to them.you are saying by posting that picture that Italian fascism is bad because look with the German nazis didif you can't see how that's retarded then there's no helping you
>>65263008the Roman's weren't stupidcrushing an armed revolt costs a lot and leaves the province ruined from decadesit would also ruin your career if you were the one that triggered itso give the jews what they want or possibly get killed in a revolt that's going to cost Rome a lot to put downnot a hard choice or one that just shows you don't have a spine
>>65262693They have to attack in the summer solstice, the perfidious Br*ts have completely dominated the winter solstice>https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/raf-high-alert-due-heightened-arctic-cargo-aircraft-activity/>https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/raf-to-be-put-on-high-alert-next-month-to-monitor-cargo-aircraft-activity-in-arctic/
>>65263008Wiping out the slaves and untermensch also means tanking the economyTry to think a few steps ahead
>>65262733>many of the units have made plenty of effort to disassociate from fascism including AzovThat's just smart politics, they're only disassociating from fascism in English media and in public where journalists are covering stuff.They're absolutely unchanged in their leadership and what those guys will do "after the war".They're just smart enough not to rock the boat while there's fighting to be done and unity is required.It's all a case of >we can be friends until the war is won>then it gets complicatedRight Sector held an anti-pride-march on Sunday. It wasn't very well attended but it wasn't tiny either.>>65262747>if anything this war proves why fascism is necessaryFascism is ultimately self-destructive and always will be, you can't fix that without it ceasing to be fascism and becoming merely conservative democratic values.What this war proves is that the old State of Emergency/Martial Law have a place in times of crisis.Whether invasion, epidemic, natural disasters, sometimes you do need to unite behind representative leadership and shut up about first world problems for a minute and sort things out.As far back as Rome, they had systems to suspend the politics temporarily.Of course, as we know, this can and is subverted by psychopaths to seize power permanently.
>>65262761>Kind of. It has a Roman style 'emergency dictatorship' currently.England did that, Australia did too.The US didn't need to because it wasn't under existential threat (arguably neither was aus but they did get bombed and if the pacific was lost, Japan would have tried to at least turn them into a tributary).
>>65262757Spain wasn't really Facist under Franco, it had elements of it but not like Italy and Germany
>>65262887>the country is fucked, probably even completely up the assholelmao I love Russian jargon translated into English
>>65263027>>65263030Rome could indeed be very forgiving and tolerant. To a point.To the jews, that point was clarified in 74 AD.When they forgot about it again, they got a final reminder in 136 AD.They have never forgotten (or stopped seething) about it since.
>>65263001Asia imports fuel, and the Russian economy is based on exporting fuel, they cant afford to switch to importing it. And Asia is facing fuel shortages due to Iran closing the straits.
>>65262785>Trump is trying to buy the Golden Army from the SidheI wonder what Nuala's price was?I can't see her wanting his first-born, Don Jnr isn't worth having at all, let alone raising in Faerie.
>>65263048>that point was clarified in 74 ADI think they spent a hundred years clarifying it prior to thatI dunno, what do you think, should the Jews have fought less for their land, or fought more? in the end they were wiped out for nearly 2 millennia, so I think God is on the side of not pointlessly battling against overwhelming odds
>>65262785>>65263051reminder that the Ogdru Jahad is located in Russia and can probably be used to counter the Golden Army
>>65262832>who the fuck would want to rub russians all over them?Enough lye can turn Russians into good Russians.At least we should consider testing whether this is true.
>>65263052>should the Jews have fought less for their landthe Roman's were objectify the lightest touch foreign ruler they had until they fucked it upthe Romans in general didn't bother fucking with the locals provided they paid their taxes and didn't start shitthose taxes paid for your security so that wasn't even such a bad dealby and large, and that's attested to in other revolts, it were the local elites that would start shit because the Roman rule made them more and more unnecessary and not all of them could transition into becoming Roman elites
>>65262865>its the Gun Wizards these russian niggers really need to worry about if Budanov can send them inWhen they cast Fire Point is when you need to hope your dex saves are good.
brooooo look at my semiconductor manufacturer cant have shit in Voronezh
>>65262895>Something might've happened alreadyThings are happening every day these days.You can really take your pick but in general, there's just constant provocations.The last two vehicle ferries and the last rail ferry being put out of action? That would do it, more oil terminals?Widespread blackouts and brownouts in Crimea?Tourists stranded in Crimea with no way out and no government help to escape?Tourists kept out of Crimea?School holidays won't last forever and it's not clear that they'll be able to go back to school.It's not clear that there will be any kind of power or water or food in Crimea within weeks/months.Some places are already out.What can Russia do once Crimea becomes untenable?And if they have to abandon it, the Sea of Azov becomes waaaay more dangerous and the front-line becomes way shorter which favours Ukraine.Mariupol could become besieged on all sides including the sea.And sooner or later, Ukraine will be able to hit the missile factories directly and Russia's last dangerous weapon will start to be lost.
>>65262899>It took alot of effort for him to get executed according to the stories.They *were* just stories though, there's essentially no independent contemporary evidence for any of it.What independent evidence exists is a generation later and only relates to the stories and what christians were claiming.
>>65263075>And sooner or later, Ukraine will be able to hit the missile factories directly and Russia's last dangerous weapon will start to be lost.>Voronezh Semiconductor Devices Plant was hit in a missile strike today.>The plant assembles microelectronics and semiconductor components used in Russian military systems, including S-300 and S-400, Pantsir air-defense systems, Iskander ballistic missiles, electronic warfare equipment, radar stations and military communications
>>65262999fascism and nazism are identical in the only way that matters, their mutual rejection of democratic governance
>>65263065>the Roman's were objectify the lightest touch foreign ruler they had until they fucked it upI'm beginning to think so, yesGod had initially ordered Zedekiah to submit to Babylonian rule, it seems to have been His plan that Israel could exist as a province under a foreign empire, so a peaceful vassalage under the Romans is not out of the question
>>65262901Israel isn't democratic though.Netanyahu has been in power or near power almost as long as Putin. His cronies have made a mockery of democracy and the rule of law including murdering some judges and prosecutors over the years. He's fighting these wars to stave off an avalanche of corruption probes that will bury him if he losses war powers. He's a low class mafia type who is heavily disliked by Israelis who know of his deeds and many American jews who see him as actively detrimental to their image. Only the most delusional grovelling goycattle, aka the evangelical christians who believe in end of the world prophecies and the rapture(heretics) truly support him and his pointless wars.
>>65263077>we have more sources for this than 99.9999999% of antiquity but they are all later and/or biasedso just like everything else from back then
>>65263089and yet overall Israel is a lot freer for political opposition than mudslime lands, vatnig land, regular nig lands, jeets, and commie chinks, so fuck off
>>65263001>Well as long as Ukraine's simply going for refineries, can't the Russians just start mass-buying and importing fuel from Asia?They would have to pay for it and what do they sell to get that cash?Oil?Then they have to get it in and that's not so easy either.Ukraine has and will continue to strike freighters in the Caspian and there are probably no serious tankers in that sea either.Are they going to try to build a pipeline from Iran to Russia during a war?Through what countries?
>>65263086so fascism, nazism, communism, theocracy, anarchism, feudalism, monarchism and any other number of -isms are all the sameheck even the Venetian Republic, the longest running republic is just the same as nazism
>>65263008>We both know Romans weren't shy about using force when dealing with uprisingsMuch easier to kill one PitA than 10k angry serfs who won't be paying taxes anymore.
>>65263088Judea was no longer needed nor did their covenant hold once they asked for the blood of His Son
>>65263086... No? There's a cadre of important differences in economic, cultural and social policies between both.
>>65263093>so just like everything else from back thenno, rome kept good recordsthere's literally an archive somewhere that has caeser's first election campaign budget and who he owed money to for it and how he was going to embezzle temple funds to pay them back
>>65263115Apollo said he could take those funds it's ok.
>>65263101>so fascism, nazism, communism, theocracy, anarchism, feudalism, monarchism and any other number of -isms are all the sameThe thing that they all have in common is certainly the thing that is directly opposed by democracy and whilst all of those have other problems with them too, their anti-democratic nature is more than enough reason to oppose them.>heck even the Venetian Republic, the longest running republic is just the same as nazismno, it's flawed democracy.It's quite close to Athenian democracy which was a good first step but a universal franchise is necessary for democracy to survive, or for any government or society to survive really.
>>65263107>Judea was no longer needed nor did their covenant hold once they asked for the blood of His SonAccording to Judea or according to a gentile religion?Doesn't sound like an entirely impartial source.
>>65263117>Apollo said he could take those funds it's ok.It was Jupiter I think.It was the standard at the time, you ran for temple priest so that you could get the temple budget and use it to further your political career by running for higher office.
>>65263098Yeah but none of those shitskin cocksuckers can keep up a war like this for long without collapsing so they aren't a problem
>>65263123On one end, if you lose Jupiter will smite you. On the other, if you win, his temple gets crazy kickbacks and sacrifices. Very risky play Mr. Caesar.
>>65263115>no, rome kept good recordsand how much of those records have survived?how much that have survived is a fragment in a later text were the author show clear bias in his text so we can 100% that he isn't misrepresenting his source or has just made an errorit is a miracle we know what little we do know
>>65262929>Not recognizing rights of others is a core component of how modern people see evil.>unironically "current year" posting
>>65263129I don't know man. Tacitus writes in a flowery (as expected of translated latin) but generally objective way. >Oh but that's years laterWell so are most of our sources on even recent historical events predating the invention of the internet.
>>65263118but are they all identical? should you go beat up an anarchist "because he's a nazi">flawed democracy nigga only the nobles could vote
>>65262899>Protestuck unironically citing religious texts as if they're real.Bitch, you know that ancient Judea was a real place, and we know its actual history the way we know the history of ancient Greece, Rome, Babylon, and so on? You know there is an entire fucking science of Bibleism that has been researching the real history behind this propaganda slop for centuries?Do you even know that Jesus's brother was a major political figure in Judea for decades after Jesus himself died?Do you even fucking know what the Documentary Hypothesis is?Early Christians were an ISIS-like terrorist group, and the real-life Jesus was Osama bin Laden of his time.He waged an armed uprising against Rome, the Romans caught him, handed him over to their local Jewish vassal authorities, and those hanged him from a tree. The crucifixion story was invented centuries later to whitewash those vassals after they've switched sides and shift the blame to the Romans exclusively, because crucifixion was a uniquely Roman practice. All the revisionist bullshit about some fucking peacenick philosophy teachers is literally the "Islam is a religion of peace" propaganda. Yes, literally, Islam is a branch of Christianity that evolved in the Middle East, and the one that stayed closer to the original teachings of Jesus at that, unlike the Roman Christianity, which was invented by Paul a century later in a process sinilar ot how the hippies were larping as Bushists and Hinduists in the 1960s.Fun fact: the Romans were incredibly religiously tolerant and allowed every and all foreign religions in their empire, unless they practiced human sacrifices. And yet they've made just the act of being a Christian punishable by death, again, because early Christians were ISIS-tier rabid animals.
>>65263137>we have Tacitus>the most well known and copied >we still have less than half his works>hey guys look how much has survived!my home library has more text in it than has survived from both the empire and the republic, that's all written sources including engravings.
>>65263143>Documentary HypothesisA completely unrelated hypothesis on the forming of the Torah. I don't understand what this has to do with anything.
>>65263147well it was a history/religion tread before that post. now we are going to hablo groups in 10 posts
I could have sworn I typed turn.
>>65262904>a lot of farms have fuel supplies on site that should allow them to get the harvest in.My negro, a pretty typical moderately sized farm (by European standards) can eadily consume in excess of 1000L of Diesel fuel a day during the peak harvest.The vatniks are currently getting into brawls and stabbing eachother over 20L cans of fuel.The farmers won't have enough fuel. And if they somehow do have enough fuel stashed away, it won't be long before it all gets stolen from them, or they sell it for huge profits on the black market.It would take months to build up that kind of supply with the current rationing system, and if they institute some special exemption for farmers allowing them far greater fuel rations, it would take approximately 0.02 microseconds for millions of russians to break the system by trying to fraudulently get access to these ration cards, or for legitimate farmers to just sell all their rationed fuel on the black market since it would be orders of magnitude more profitable than using their rations as intended.Either way, the crops will rot in the fields.
>>65263156>can eadily consume in excess of 1000L of Diesel fuel a day during the peak harvestand that's why they tend to have fuel bunkers on their farms so they can get on with the harvest.I agree that there's a non 0 chance that they haven't kept their full or that they are selling the fuel but there should still be enough out there that with a bit of prioritization they can get the harvest in even without extra fuel they should still be able to take in enough of the harvest to feed the country
>>65262841That's all ncie. Russia is losing men and territory lopsidedly, though and is seeing its economy bombed into ruin without having any foreign backers that render such a strategy less effective against them.Also>muh refugeesWill all return after the war, anbd as siuhc are not counted as losses for Ukraine. Thus, Russia has lost more people. Seethe more about it.
>>65263075>Tourists kept out of Crimea?Why would you keep tourists out of Crimea? It's free eugenics for your country.
>>65263075>sooner or later, Ukraine will be able to hit the missile factories directlyWhere are those located, anyway?
>>65263008When Vespasian and Titus's wacky adventure started they had the equivalent strength of 3 legions (including the turbobased Legio X, all time antisemitism MVPs) the baby dick slurpers were so divided they killed more of each other than the Romans did at Jerusalem, and there was really no worry about political pressure from above since it was either the year of 5 emperors or one of them (Vespasian) was literally emperor and Titus was his son. None of those conditions existed for Pilate. He was blameless in the situation.
>>65263071>that cop-looking guy at the end staring directly into the cameraHow fucked is the one filming this?
>>65263067Russia went all in on the merchant-thief multiclaass, none of these dopey fucks can figure out a half decent divination to figure out when the next fireball is coming from, where its going to land and their magic missile users... well those boys wands are limp half the time
>>65263162>that's why they tend to have fuel bunkers on their farms....which don't usually hold more than 5k L with the larger ones I've seen on really big farms holding roughly 10k L.These storage tanks aren't meant to last the entire harvest, farmers use them as local gas stations and they call guys with fuel trucks to show up and top up their storage tanks multiple times ever harvest.Given the general level of poverty in rural russia, I strongly suspect that even prior to the recent fuel shortage, the average farmer there could not afford to buy more than one or two 55Gal drums at a time, and that they'd have to beg, borrow, and steal to get their hands on more than that.
>>65263077>They *were* just stories thoughNearly every single historian of worth believes Jesus was a real person. Was he the Son of God and have magical powers? Depends on their belief. But in terms of a real person? 99.9% chance he existed. I find that vastly more fascinating than him being the actual Son of God. The idea that a guy did a thing once and 400 years later people deify him to the level he becomes the big cheese in a powerful religion. Imagine that happened to you. I know Alexander got deified but Jesus was a completely different kettle of fish.
>>65263023>a comple surrender to the res publica"res publica" means "of the people" and refers exclusively to democratic governanceFascism is the worship of unilateral executive power and action as an end in and of itself, it is most essentially defined by the belief that not everyone is entitled to good governance.
>>65262841Ha, this motherfucker thinks Russia is democratic!
>>65263173>These storage tanks aren't meant to last the entire harvestI know, that's why I said that in combination with prioritization they can get their harvest inif they have them full they should still be able to take enough of it in to feed the country.I'm just harvesting what you can with an as high as possible fuel/calories ratioI'm sure that the russians will find ways to fuck shit up on their ownbut they also still have fuel production and agriculture is one of those things you need to keep going.that they might not be in the most fuel starved areas sure, but there's plenty of farmland elsewhere where have enough fuel(not to mention barely above subsistence home farming in the hinterland)
>>65263162Back when my family did broadacre in Australia, you're looking at about 70-80L an hour on a single combine and your carrying trucks will be using about 50L an hour each along with whatever storage and augers you might be using. Mostly comes down to cost. something like a 10000L underground tank costs a lot and its only used heavily a couple of times a year. Like on my now mix of livestock and some hay making its only a 2000L diesel tank for tractors and its not too bad.One of the big fuel drinkers are the big heavy tractors during cultivationThose fuckers can get through 100L an hour and practically as expensive as something like a D9 to run with enough stuff being dragged along behind itNo diesel, no food though. Practically all modern ag runs on diesel. Like you might get by with less pesticides, fertilizers and herbicides, but if the fuel stops, everyone's going to get hungry within about 2-3 years
>>65263113and yet they remain identical in the only way that matters, their mutual rejection of democratic governance
>>65263107they were already conquered about 60 years before Jesus, and nearly a century before crucifying himI'm asking what should have been the right thing to have done during that time
>>65263142no, you should beat him up because he opposes democracy
most of you can't even define fascismlet alone move on to asking whether X or Y is fascism, or not and why not
>>65263075>School holidays won't last forever and it's not clear that they'll be able to go back to school.Congratulation Timofeev, you are of early graduate into glorious Red I mean Russian Army.
>>65263110>insufferable xenophobic cultists who simply refuse to get along with othersUhh based and trad??
>>65263171he will have a spot reserved for him in the next meat cube
>>65262808Wrong, your favourite shithole will never be normal, stop trying to make it sound normal, your dicksucking of jewtin is embarrassing.
>>65263200>refers exclusively to democratic governanceyes the very democratic Roman republic and empirethe public good doesn't require a democracy never mind a modern day representative onethe fascists broadly saw the state and the party as one. with everyone being represented in the party/state. hence anything the head if the party/state does is something that is res publicapolitics doesn't happen outside of the party/state but only inside of it anyone wanted to be politically active they should join the party/state and they too could help shape the res publica
>>65263214Fascism is the belief that not everyone is entitled to good governance
>>65263202>>65263173>>65263162>>65263156Well i dunno about you guys, but im really looking forward to watch Russia do a live-action remake of Mad Max, with tanker trucks trying to move between Fuel city and Bullet Farm while dodging FPV drones. Throw in an SMO aputee and the last HIV-free males/females in the country and we might just get Fury Road out of it
>>65263225>I'm a cheeto ingesting suicide machine!
>>65263212but are they the same?walking across a minefield and your mom are both not attrecive prospects. but they aren't the same now are they
>>65262841>it is a democratic republicIt is a totalitarian dictatorship, you are a retarded demoralized subhuman. Dictatorships don’t stop being dictatorships because they call themselves something else.Russia is losing, why are you so slavishly devoted to a nation of retards that would kill and rape you even if you shilled for them? You are pathetic, your parents should be ashamed of you.
>>65263221the republic was a democracy, a deeply flawed one to be sure but founded on explicitly democratic valuesthe Empire was an aberration that came into being after the flaws in the Roman democratic system allowed for the massive concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few populist politicians, who circled absolute power for decades prior to Ceasers coupDemocracy is absolutely necessary for the public good because a government that governs without the consent of the people is illegitimate and illegitimate governance goes against the public good.On a more practical level, non democratic governance leaves you wide open to a phenomenon I call "death by idiot" where an incapable leader siezes power and cannot be removed before he runs the country into the ground (see Russia for a contemporary example of this process in action).Without strong counter majoritarian institutions and the rule of law you cannot protect yourself from morons like this and any government with those things is by default democratic, since the people will always have the power to choose their leaders and remove incompetent ones under those conditions.
>>65263228it doesn't matter, once you know they oppose democracy you know everything you will ever need to know about them
>>65262887Woah, first time in a while i’ve seen a zigger with the backbone to do this. Not for any moral standard reasons of course, but because he finally realized that this retarded war of aggression was never going to help russia.
>>65263225>watch Russia do a live-action remake of Mad MaxThey're all on their way. Pic rel is from the R-280 (formerly M-14) aka The Highway of Death where they're now using civilian vehicles (stolen from the locals) to transfer personnel and supplies
>>65262808here's a (You)go spend it on better material
>>65263225>we might just get Fury Road out of it
>>65263235>sugar and arsenic aren't wet, that is everything you will ever need to know about them
>>65263245>stolen from the localsThey made a law in like 2023 that the military can commander any vehicle they wish for use in the SMO. So nothing is stolen.
>>65263248essentially yeahI care to learn nothing about the enemies of democracy except how much lead or iron it takes to kill them
>>65263245>they're now using civilian vehicles to transfer personnel and suppliesperfidious albion! sorry, old habit, i mean perfidious moscovite!
>>65262983>You'd expect at least some balls from a Roman official, huh?Pilate had already offended the jews several times and they had him by the balls. Tiberius was going to give him the boot if they rallied against him again.
>>65263250>I don't know what I'm talking about and proud of itgg
>>65263249>They made a law in like 2023 that the military can commander any vehicle they wish for use in the SMO. >So *nothing is stolen.*everything Reminder that 'laws' made in this way do not offer protection to the war criminals.
>>65263269I mean that is pretty unfair because lots of Germans did try to stop their government, including trying to assassinate Hitler. Just like lots of Russians protested the war and were subsequently arrested or disappeared.
>>65263275I don't remember any bomb plots to kill Putin, and he's been going for twice as long as Hitler.Anyway, the brave Russians who opposed the criminal reigme will be remembered as heroes.A liberated Belarus may serve as a blueprint for how to de-ziggerfy Russia at some point.
>>65263169>Pilate. He was blameless in the situation.He made sure his hands were cleanFamous for it
>>65263230>republic was a democracythe republic had one voting body open to everyonethe comitia, the comita voted per block and the senior blocks voted first so nearly all the times they did vote the plebs didn't get to votethe other bodies where class basedthe senate was only for nobility and even then only for those members of the nobility that climbed the cursus honoria. once a member you where a member for life. members of the assembly weren't equal. seniority and how far you'd gone on the cursus honoria decided if you'd ever even get to speak never mind propose something.the tribune of the plebs could propose legislation, they could only veto actions taken by those on the cursus honorum. it was also completely captured by the wealth equities class.it was founded on the values of we don't want a king, not we want a democracy. they could have had any other -ism but monarchism that also not democratic and it would have suited the founders just fine in fact the early republic didn't even have the tribune of the plebs in general the best way to describe it is an oligarchy, only the wealthy of high birth could hold political power.> because a government that governs without the consent of the people is illegitimateaccording to youmost of humanity has lived without their consent being necessary to being legitimate China isn't a democracy but as far as the vast bulk of the chinks goes the CCP is legitimate >illegitimate governance goes against the public goodfirstly there's plenty of legitimate governments that go against the public goodsecondly there are illegitimate ones (according to your criteria of not being democratic) that do go with the public good
>>65263236Also the woman who called Putin a degenerate and demanded he "poshel von v odstavku".
>>65263284>I don't remember any bomb plots to kill Putin2012 two Ukrainians tried to blow him up with a bomb but were stopped by the Ukrainian services.
we regret to inform you that you're child is stuck in crimea indefinitely. please understand
>>65263128>if you lose Jupiter will smite you. On the other, if you win, his temple gets crazy kickbacks and sacrificesYou're assuming that the equestrians believed any of that
>>65263247Is that a fucking Tavriya?
>>65263298>stopped by the Ukrainian servicesoof. it's like that one brit that could have killed hitler in WW1, but took pity on him and let him go
>>65263230>death by idiotby your own words the "democracy" of republican Rome killed it's self the same can be said for instance of the Athenian democracy, who did so repeatedly.or even to day, look at the absolute clown that hold elected office like starmer or trump democracies aren't any more safe from death by idiot than non democratic systems are >Without strong counter majoritarian institutions and the rule of lawbut those aren't required to have a democracyand you can have them in systems that by your definitions aren't democracies >any government with those things is by default democraticfeudalism had those and it's not democratic>since the people will always have the power to choose their leaders and remove incompetent ones under those conditions.how well is that going for the russians? and you've also skipped straight past the body of my post explaining how the fascists saw how they served the res publica.
>>65263304Well Hitler is a bit different, guy couldn't have known the insanely lucky sequence of events that allowed Hitler to do what he did. Putin was a well known piece in 2012.
>>65263202>>65263173>>65263207nta, but i follow the agrarian sector a bit and the situation is in the words of russian farmers already catastrophicThey get squeezed from all sides, there are massive labor shortages, both skilled and unskilled (to the tune of 150k people a year), harder access to new machines and parts for the old ones, higher financial burden, problems getting quality seeds, and now the rising gas prices make it less and less profitableAlmost a third of farms is unprofitable now, and this season had the worst planting figures in a decade or so
>>65263306>or even to day, look at the absolute clown that hold elected office like starmer or trumpDifference is with Starmer, in your example, is that in UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand you vote for the party, not for the person. The party decides who the head of the party is and thus who is 'the guy (or gal)'. Which is why Starmer is gonna quit or get pushed eventually. That won't stop the retards, because the entire party is retarded and blind to what people want (or doesn't care) but this doesn't mean that one person is responsible. As for Trump, there is no mechanism to remove him now (reasonable mechanism, impeachment won't work) as despite theoretically 'voting for the party' you're not really, since Trump is the guy and short of death or illness or major fuck up that does result in impeachment, they won't go until their term is up.
>>65263315>jesus is the fulfillment of the old testament and you're supposed to do as he says>large swaths of """christians""" ignore this and selectively pick and choose random parts of the old testament to follow effectively making them some sort of cyrptojewfucking weird tbqh
>>65263317You're late, Starmer announced a few hours ago that he's stepping down.
>Old Believers>Fifth year of the Special Military Operation to denazify Mexico>Right wingers blame Amish witchcraft for the success of Mexico's Baja California counteroffensive
>>65263268I'm not the one pretending that some sort of legitimate alternative to democratic governance exists
>>65263320is this good or bad for ukraine?
>>65263078>Russian military systems, including S-300 and S-400, Pantsir air-defense systemsNothing of value was lost then, right anons?.
>>65263142>nigga only the nobles could voteThat would be the aforementioned flaw.Of course, ensuring that only the educated can vote does have its benefits but the solution isn't to restrict voting, it's to make education universal and information unbiased and true.This seems to be a surprisingly polarising policy as certain politicians and parties enjoy exploiting uninformed voters as captive voter blocs who reliably vote against their interests.
>>652633001) send children to war zone for summer camp2) ???3) woe is me why is everything not going as planned
>>65263292The republic was a flawed democracy, thats a very important distinction that you seem to be struggling to makeWe will never know if the vast bulk of the chinks consider their government legitimate because the CCP has never asked them which is a common factor amongst all non democratic governments.Governing without the consent of the governed goes against the public good by default, because the public is being denied their right to a say in how they are governed
>>65263300cri me a river
>>65263172Read the filename as porn.webm.Not too far from the truth.
>>65263149>we are going to hablo groups in 10 postsI can close the pool right now
war crime status?
>>65263317>you vote for the party, not for the person>vote for the party, get the head of said partygee it's not like they are out they campaigning saying "when I become prime minister" >>65263322>the only legitimate system is the system I'm living under right nowif you where living in ching china you'd be wiping your ass with your ponytail
>>65263298>by UkrainiansWell yeah, that'd be like pointing at a Dutch guy and saying 'he nearly stopped Hitler, what a German hero'>>65263304In 2012 Ukraine was still in the Kremllin's pocket
>>65263303yeah, specifically the liftback version called slavuta or something
>>65263331>he doesn't send his kids to active warzonesdo you want them to grew up to be pussies?
>>65263325It's probably fine. Both major parties have been fairly resolute in their support, and from a quick look I don't see anything in the history of the current frontrunner that would make me think there's going to be a radical departure. Keep in mind it's the same party anyway, just a reshuffle of who steers the ship.Apparently the UK has been working on a line of cheaper munitions specifically avoiding US parts for easier export pretty much specifically for Ukraine, hard to see that being disturbed.
>>65263171Thats probably just a security guard.RT and milbloggers are conflicted on this issue meanwhile.
>>65263306feudalism had no strong counter majoritarian institutions whatsoever, feudal lords held the power of life and death over their serfs and the serfs had no means of contesting this, that's about as far away from a counter majoritarian institution as you can get.counter majoritarian institutions are absolutely neccesary for a democracy to survive, and those democracies who lack them or allow them to be weakened quickly fall into despotism, as happened in Athens, Rome and many other ancient democracies right through to the modern dayWhere the institutions are strong, democracy survives and death by idiot is held at bay. Where institutions are weak, subverted or simply not present it is only a matter of time before some politically gifted moron brings the whole system crashing downOn a final point, the Russians do not have the power to choose their leaders or remove the incumbent, which is precisely why they are in the situation they are in
>>65263338target: military factory war crime status: none
>>65263329>That would be the aforementioned flaw.so how does it differ from feudalism where only the nobility could vote?
>>65263339you cannot justify a right to govern without the consent of the people, this is why Democracy is the only legitimate form of government that can exist
>>65263346>that second messagedid they put a pantsir on the roof of a diaper factory
>>65263208>and yet they remain identical in the only way that matters, their mutual rejection of democratic governanceI think it's fair to exclude certain flavours of anarchism from that, as they can be pure democracy sans nation-state
>>65263339Your failure to understand what a PM is doesn't make it an office directly voted for.
>>65263349nobles didn't vote under fuedal systems what the fuck are you on aboutFeudalism is a system of mutual obligations within a strict hierarchy that is "legitimised" through the religion of the peasants, there is no voting there except in rare cases such as the elector counts of the holy roman empire
>>65263355a reasonable point, you could fill a library with all the things I don't know about anarchism
>>65263338Nothing to worry about!Mayor confirms that it was merely some falling debris after successful interception. And trustworthy locals add valuable context - nothing was manufactured there, building were empty and attack was probably part of a scheme to not demolish it themselves.
>>65263188The crazy thing is we have records of people from 3000BC. So honestly jesus isn't that impressive, the gig just happened to stick for longer
>>65263300Total Zigger Death.The delusions in a ruzzian mind to visit Crimea after 2022. It is result of the tsar's (oligarchs's) tyranny that they so crave. I wish they enjoy what good they have, for it will get worse.
>>65263332>thats a very important distinction that you seem to be struggling to makethe distinction you aren't making is that just because someone some where gets to have a vote it isn't a democracy the roman republic was an oligarchy>We will never knowthere's plenty of independent polling and research done on it and most of the chinese think the CCP is legitimate >because the public is being denied their right to a say in how they are governedgood government can happen with or without the public being involvedgood and bad emperors good and bad presidents you are again limiting your self to the current system and when asked why just repeating because current system
>>65263370>So honestly jesus isn't that impressive, the gig just happened to stick for longerThe crazy part isn't that the guy is worshiped as a prophet and the son of God by like a billion people 2000 years after he died, the crazy part is that he probably had at most a hundred followers in his own lifetime.Unlike a certain other prophet from the same area who got far more popular and developed a huge following before his own death.I guess that Jesus' philosophy and worldview might have just been ahead of his time.Like philosophers and artists that live and die in poverty and obscurity, only to get incredibly popular and influential decades or centuries after they're gone.
>>65263360>there's no voting except the cases where there is votingso was the HRE a democracy than? there was voting, there where clear majority counter balances and there was rule of law>>65263352accept all the other forms of justification that have and continued to be used
>>65263385Maybe I'm a bit slow but I don't understand what's new in Jesus message, it's the basic "be nice to your community" with extra "Verily, verily, I say unto you I'm god for real, the trinity nocap" sauce. What's revolutionary about that honestly ?
>>65263001Let's take the recent mosqueov refinery strike. That refinery was within the city (even if on the outskirts) and was responsible for almost half of the gasoline consumed by a 13+ million city. It's now stopped. Imagine how much fuel trucks you now need and bring in fuel from other refineries and regions to compensate for that. Now spread the issue to other regions as well.
>>65263347>no strong counter majoritarian institutions whatsoeverthe freedom of the feudal lords to deny their liege service or for those below them to do the sameit's a contract so exception non adimpleti contractus is a thingther's also the church and the cities to contend with>feudal lords held the power of life and death over their serfs and the serfs had no means of contesting thisthat's just utter bullshit go ask any medievalist and they'll say the sameyour argument isn't for democracy but the institutions that tend to come with a modern highly evolved democracy.those don't require a democracy nor does a democracy need them
>>65263038The US had a civil war and it still didn’t stop elections, the US has no mechanism by which to stop elections
>>65263156>The farmers won't have enough fuelThe issue isn't only if the fuel is there or not, farmers historically would have fuel subsidized because fuel price can easily fuck up the economy of farming. No subsidized fuel == GG for a ton of farmers.
>>65263403>What's revolutionary about that honestly ?Mainly the whole "Be nice to each other"-thing.That was not a common or widespread thought at the time, especially in that part of the world.To oversimplify things, might made right.People saw nothing wrong in fucking over everyone else to serve themselves.If you could get away with abusing and bullying your way into wealth, and power, that was not seen as morally bad.Naturally, there were exceptions to this, mostly regarding family members, the local community, and to a lesser extent, the tribe as a whole.But as far as I can tell, Jesus and the early Christians were among the first to popularize the idea that you should just be a nice guy and a good person to everyone, including strangers, even when it doesn't benefit you as an individual.Christianity was a major driving force behind people slowly accepting the idea that being an evil cunt to everyone was bad behavior that should be denounced and shamed, rather than something that should be respected as a sign of strength.
>>65263418To add to this anon's post; consider just how much of the Torah/Old Testament consists of the Jews getting punished by God for lawlessness and degeneracy. "Don't be assholes to each other, including people who aren't part of your tribe" was a relatively novel concept at the time.
>>65263329>it's to make education universal and information unbiased and true.Yeah, this doesnt work
>>65263045Getting overly specific about fascism isn’t usually too helpful, while there were elements of Spain that weren’t fascist the basic core and appeal of fascism is that it recognizes certain fundamental truths about the world, the same truths that places like Ukraine also recognize today
>>65263418ummmm ok that's interesting and probably true. Too bad it turns out being nice to everyone is actually retarded from a biological and Darwinian perspective and leads to extinction of your kind. The more I learn about Christianity the more I respect Jews honestly. Anyway thanks for taking the time to reply anon
>>65263320Again? He made this same announcement after they got raped in the by-elections a few months ago.
>>65263434I don't believe he did, anon.More to the point, he's now caretaker while the party sorts it out. It has happened.
>>65263431>The more I learn about Christianity the more I respect Jews honestly.Makes sense.Their historical practice of creating insular societies that only care for themselves, while to fuck over everyone else has never once backfired, leading to them being ostracized, treated with suspicion or hatred, or had any other negative consequences what so ever.
>>65263418>>65263423>Jews came up with "be nice to each other" Jews weren't even fully monotheistic until Cyrrus the great taught them about Ahura Mazda. Classical jews and their cultures are offshoots of the Caananite civilization, and were just as influenced by outside forces as everyone else
>>65263431The next step is "be nice to others until they're not nice to you, then be a real bad mofo for those people".
>>65262904I wonder if, when Russia starts to have to ration food because there’s not enough fuel to go around to run all the farms, certain people in the west will start to claim that it’s America’s responsibility to donate food and supplies to keep Russia from starving, or if they’ll maintain their anti-Russia stance?
>>65263436I wonder if this will open the door for Nigel "Totally not funded by Kremlin" Farage or if Labour actually manages to unfuck itself.Either way, so long and thanks for all the fish
>>65263268You're telling anon that he should appreciate the subtle differences in taste between raw sewage, tailing pool run-off, and reactor coolant.I think anon just thinks hazmat and aggressive containment and decontamination is a one-size-fits-all solution.
>>65263078Why didn't they repel the attacK?
>>65263269A bit unfair but pertinent, saved.
>>65263458they say it was multiple storm shadows.they can't block that
>>65263465Weren't Ukies operating SS like for 2 years? Why didn't bomb then?
>>65263306>look at the absolute clown that hold elected office like starmerBad example, (Westminster) democratic processes took care of that.Go enjoy some BBC.
>>65262907And that’s precisely what makes fascism a good system, because you are always in a fight for survival, and if you think you aren’t, then you’re just appeasing the enemies who will try to slit your throat the next day. Our enemies thrive on our mercy and understanding.
>>652634661)they don't have a lot of them2)they aren't that powerful so you need a lot of them to destroy a big building like this one3)using them on russian soil was not allowed for a long time.4)it's not confirmed by the Ukis yet so it could be something else.
>>65263466they are air launched so you need to create an opening in the russian AD and fighter cover to get close enough to safely launch and preferably get back
>>65263325>is this good or bad for ukraine?Irrelevant?TZD is pretty bipartisan in the drinkable water alliance.
>>65263466>>65263475oh and:5) that russian city is technically out of the range of the storm shadows so jets would have to be very very close to the russian border I guess.
>>65262847Joke is on you, I count 8 different russian presidents, because we're on the fourth double since 2021.
>>65262693>ziggers getting assaulted by elvesfor the first time in my long life, I am envious of russians
>>65263457I can understand that he doesn't care about the differences. but that doesn't mean they don't exist.proper use of terms is also an important part of having an open and fair debateas for your waste product analogy treating them as all the same is a great way to get cancer or worse.
>>65262693Why elves?Did they see Ukrainians calling them orcs and decide “Yeah? Well…you’re elves!”
>>65263354>did they put a pantsir on the roof of a diaper factoryPants go over diapers, yes anon.More seriously, this confirms some of my suspicions about those fetishists.
>>65263479Noygel might have something to say about that
>>65263466>>65263465correction:this would make more sense to me.
>>65263496Probably because Europeans in general tend to be more elf-like>Refined and elite culture>Ancient buildings thousands of years old>Mostly concerned with stability and comfort over ambition >Slow breeding and gradually declining population
>>65262693an elf druid did this.
>>65262852Was curious about your image so I looked up the source if anyone else was interestedhttps://life.ru/p/1363464
>>65263514Well until he's officially the opposition it's still bipartisan.
Honestly Poland’s hissy fit they threw recently is making them look a lot less based than before but at least they’re not stopping any military shipments
>>65263534TZD takes priority over the whole UPA unit name/medal thingSlavs ultimately will fight no matter what, it's just our naturet. Pole
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>>65262733Ukraine probably will become fascist or some approximation of it after the war. You have a highly militarized population, already right-wing, who remembers well how strong, centralized leadership without the burden of democracy got them through the war, while their women shirked their duties. Western liberal ideas like feminism aren’t exactly going to be popular.
>>65263555Ur a dumb dumb
>>65263555>Ukraine probably will become fascist or some approximation of it after the war.you don't know what fascism is
>>65263496Because "elves" is a catchall for any of the fae and a solstice is a "day of power" or some other pagan belief.
>>65263442As if it wasn't the case with white people too. Are you aware that basically every brown person ever actually hates us ? The difference is that Jews understood that everyone was competing with them and structured around that fact. I understand what you mean but to me that just sounds like they are super efficient at surviving and everyone is mad idk>>65263452yeah that's just being french lmao
>>65263245Every car on that highway is a target.Man you gotta sell these thrill rides on the internet.. kek.
>>65263458>Why didn't they repel the attacK?This question has been asked many times over the last several years.
>>65263565A totalitarian, corporatist system of government with an “imperial” nature, that is, seeking to expand its power and influence
>>65262887EVERY SINGLE TIME it's>this war was probably not the best idea because my personal life is being affectedand never>this war was probably not the best idea because invading other countries is wrong100% of the time, without fault
>>65263577Ukraine doesn't meet any of that
>>65263458the cuck chair is comfy
>>65263071Wait.. isn't that the city fighterbomber is located in, according to Ukraine Intelligence that thanked him for some intel? Yeah not looking good, he might look like a traitor
>>65263578Thats also the reason why they cheat so much at video games, its literally not wrong to them. And then they get caught and are all confused. "W-why the punishment? I did nothing! Show me the proofs! Okay, so I didnt know that cheating was wrong, but I understand everything now! Who can I bribe?"
>>65263578The mind of a vatnik.This is why TZD is very important
>>65263169https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
>>65263490>ziggers getting assaulted by elves
>>65263496It’s actually a perfect analogy since orcs were formerly elves that were physically warped and corrupted by evil.
>>65263143Very interesting. Where does one find more info on all that?
>>65263582Not yet, it’s moving closer to totalitarianism and corporatism (the fascist kind, not the pop culture kind) over time as necessity dictates and we’re seeing it play a greater role on the world stage
>>65263577> the famously totalitarian expansionists that was Germany and ItalyYou're actually retarded, bro
>>65263514>Noygel might have something to say about thatI said bipartisan, not contrarian.>>65263516>US weapons on Russian factoriesI get that the original source is a zigger blog but that would be a change up of previously understood policy wouldn't it?>>65263521>Soviet collapse metaphor in real timeThat's all Russian history in a 10s clip
>>65263534>Honestly Poland’s hissy fit they threw recently is making them look a lot less based than before but at least they’re not stopping any military shipmentsIt's just some red meat for the party base that backfired a bit.A stupid move but ultimately not particularly consequential and unlikely to be a sincerely held concern even by the president that did it.
>>65263607>That's all Russian history in a 10s clip
>>65263565>you don't know what fascism isOr feminism for that matter.>>65263555>probably will become fascist or some approximation of itThey're going to become ultra democratic with very strongly voiced public opinions and loads of micro parties and independent candidates running for everything they can.They didn't fight for democracy to throw it away and they'll fucking lynch any one that tries to get rid of it again.
>>65262709I love how reddits favorite muslim queen Ilhan Omar was the one democrat that voted against ukraine aid
>>65263311squeezing russian farmers is a great russian tradition
>>65263605>it’s moving closer to totalitarianism and corporatismAbsolutely delusional retard take.
>>65263516>range 450 kmnah, voronezh is farther
>>65262706Units like Azov use Nazi symbolism because they have their origins in far right groups and local militias, but it's silly to suggest they're Nazis now. Especially when they had literal rabbis serving with themAs far as progressivism, they're about on par with any eastern euro country. Gays, trannies and various minorities probably aren't exactly widely liked, but if you can survive weird looks or a few rude comments from drunk retards then you'll be mostly fine.
>>65262709Meh, it's pretty in characterNeither party has anything resembling a coherent ideology, and relative isolationism seems to be currently in the vogue with conservative voters
>>65263658>Democracy didn’t win them the warYes it did.That and western values.
>>65263658Because retarded autocrats is what they've been fighting against for the last fifteen-odd years moron
>>65263658Yes lad }}}, I am of agreement that democracy is weak, you need a strong leader who can keep the burghers in check and keep the nation free from the poisons of feminism, trans-parency and accountability.
>>65263658That is pretty much exactly the kind of thinking employed by the people they're fighting against, anon.It was Russia people were jerking off over for nationalist hard men doing what needs to be done until they tripped over their own dicks and a million casualties fell out of their pocket.
>>65263442> insular societies that only care for themselves, while to fuck over everyone else has never once backfired, leading to them being ostracized,They were ostacized because they lended money to certain powerfull individuals and then expected to be treated fairly, Herr Obersturmbannführer
>>65262901The problem is that the war eventually ends, and men aren't often inclined to relinquish their power
>>65263601Isn’t it the opposite though?Since Ukrainians are formerly orcs (Soviets) that decided that living in squalor and general faggotry is bad, actually.
>>65263685Have you seen how exhausted that man is? I doubt he's even going to contest another election after all this bullshit, and not for a lack of them being held.
>>65263691Sure, and he has a few good choices for a successor
>>65262706They don't do it to demoralize the enemy, but to validate your misguided, troubled mentality.
>>65263693They were like this well before the war ever happened anon, they’re not putting up a front, they’re just genuinely that based
>>65262894Put yourself in his shoes anon>execute one weird hippie guyor>risk a riot, or even revoltyes, riots can be suppressed, revolts crushed. But it's fucking expensive, nukes your tax revenue, and makes you look incompetent to your superiors for letting it get out of hand in the first place
>>65263658Them wanting democracy over retarded authoritarianism is why they decided to fight the war in the first place, idiot. The actual wages of your beloved "manly" "nationalism" are staring them right in the face, from the other side of the frontlines.
>>65263691This. In fact, Zelensky has stated repeatedly that he wants to just straight up hold new elections and retire without participating in them once the war is over.
>>65263706Democracy =/= Liberalism or progressivism. They want democracy but that gay faggot feminist shit that would see them conquered by Russia can stay away.
If Fingolfin showed up before the gates of Ang- I mean the Kremlin, how fucked would Putin be?
>>65263047"up the ass" basically means FUBAR in many Slavic languages (I'm personally aware of Russian, Czech, Slovak, Polish and I'm guessing most others have a similar saying)
>>65263712You're trying to move those goalposts so fast you're leaving a trench in the ground. Also liberalism and progressivism are inseperably intertwined with democracy on a conceptual basis in Ukraine nowadays.Becuase they are the direct counter-movement to russian "manly" "nationalism" and authoritarianism.
>>65263720Russia is feminized as hell, dude. They’re all gay faggots, they call their country the “motherland”, they take excessive pride in their ‘warrior women’ and babushkas, and they’re basically a matriarchal society that sacrifices men in war and alcoholism. Ukraine moved away from Russia to get away from that shit.
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>>65263727>they call their country the “motherland”That is, to the best of my knowledge, a misnomer, the term "mother Russia" exists but isn't as commonly used as "rodina" (homeland, place of birth) or "otchina" (fatherland)
>>65263733Even if that is true it’s still a very feminized place. Russian influence on Ukraine managed to lower the birth rate through their injection of feminist politics, but Ukraine is likely to turn that around now that they’re free of Russian influence.
>>65263641>squeezing russian farmers is a great russian traditionIndeed, and you squeeze them as hard as you can till the famines come kekGuess they can call up the potato emperor for help, all that potato peeling will come in handy then
>>65263734Yeah people don’t really get how much of the modern progressive movement is literally funded and backed by Russia to weaken the west. Ukraine isn’t anti-gay because they’re “mean”, they’re anti-gay because Russia has tried to spread gay propaganda in Ukraine for decades to effeminize them and make them easier to subjugate
>>65263734>Russian influence on Ukraine managed to lower the birth rate through their injection of feminist politicsJust because Russia doesn't value men doesn't mean they value women. It's famously very abusive of women, including decriminalisation of domestic violence and rampant sexual abuse of women and girls. What are you doing incel posting in '26?Haven't you seen the consequences of that by now?
>>65262823>loss to brownsLOL
>>65263765>Russia has tried to spread gay propaganda in Ukraine for decades to effeminize them and make them easier to subjugateNo, they push pro and anti gay propaganda to divide society and try to create contrarians who will turn traitor.
>>65263606In Italy's case it was more an issue of capability, not desire.
>>65262948>It never happened>But it should have
>>65263713I don't think Putin can 1v1 Fingol--Zelensky; there'll be no talk of how his wounds still hurt forever after since there'll be no forever for this guy
>>65263782No, that was Germany. They do both btw. It’s an association game. They recruit the East Germans and turn the rest gay. With Ukraine they threw everything at the wall, from soft to hard force. learn your history.
>>65263502He's a senile old man like Biden at this point, he certainly won't have the dignity to step down like that guy.
>>65263806Their accusation of Biden being senile was as usual just projection.
>>65263823>>65263806After around 75 your mental faculties start declining and after 80 they're in freefall, there should be a hard cap for holding public office.
>>65263770Yes, and that’s why they push feminism, because feminism also devalues women
>>65263680>Traditional western values, yes, not modern western values.Tolerance and acceptance are traditional western values.
>>65263843Tolerance for good behavior, yes, not tolerance for destructive behavior and anti-social ideology, you wouldn’t let a feminist into your home, you don’t let them stay in your country either.
>>65263275>Just like lots of Russians protested the war and were subsequently arrested or disappeared.[citation needed]You might be thinking of Iran.In fact, in a poll conducted in May of this year, 69% of Russians responded that they support the actions of the army in Ukraine.https://www.levada.ru/2026/05/07/konflikt-s-ukrainoi-v-aprele-2026-goda/Letthefuckersburn
>>65263852>not tolerance for destructive behavior and anti-social ideologyVery true, this is known and understood of course.>you wouldn’t let a feminist into your homeSure I would.Of course, *you* wouldn't but that's ok because feminists don't want to go home with you anyway.>you don’t let them stay in your country either.It happens to be their country too so you have a problem there.It sounds like they (and I) shouldn't tolerate you, since you're intent on dividing and conquering us.
>>65263859>69% of RussiansThat sounds like 31% of Russians aren't ziggers.And yes, loads of Russians were v& at the start of the war, do you not recall the blank paper protests?People still got v& for holding up blank paper because it was protesting something and they didn't have Zs plastered all over them, so they got v&.
>>65263883I know you're doing a bit, but this is honest to god what they try to teach gen alpha these days.
>>65263883Except it’s you wanting to divide and conquer Ukraine. Who is it among us that takes issue with Ukraine being a patriarchy or not allowing homosexual “marriages”? It is not I, which makes you the rabble rouser and divider.
>>65263887>there's a minority of Russians who oppose the war>people who oppose the war are "arrested and disappeared"Pick one.
>>65263920>Pick one.nta, but why pick one, when one is theresult of the other?Russian polls did never accurately portray the popularity, but rather how many people are not afraid to tell the truth, and the numbers themselves are wonky at best, they even changed the methodology recently just to rig it to flatter putin moreThe bulk of russians never forgot the classic commie doublethink, and embrace it to avoid troubleAs for getting arrested the cases the cases get increasingly retarded, as in they even arrested some of the volunteers doing the clean up at Tuapse, you don't need to be an oppositionist anymore to get decked, you can be a SMO widow and just asking where are the benefits the governor said he already gave out can cost you your job>them getting hit with the Nürnberg trial collective guilt argument will never stop being funny though kek
>>65263652the ones the got have 900+km range (AGM-188A).
>>65262693Seen any elves?HAHAHAHA
>>65263616>They didn't fight for democracyCorrectThey fought for their nation's survival
>>65263901>I know you're doing a bitI'm really not.>but this is honest to god what they try to teach gen alpha these daysThey taught it to Gen X too.I grew up with this and still believe it.In fact, the more I saw of the world, the more I agreed with it.>>65263908>Who is it among us that takes issue with Ukraine being a patriarchy or not allowing homosexual “marriages”?Most Ukrainians for one.The pride march yesterday vastly out-numbered Right Sector's pitiful counter march of wannabe black-shirts who had to cover their faces to avoid the judgement of their peers.>It is not I, which makes you the rabble rouser and dividerNo, you think that Ukraine will become ziggers as a result of them...*checks notes*..defeating ziggers?Do you think that zigger values are a fundamental force in the universe that can neither be created nor destroyed and will obey rules of Conservation of Ziggerdom?
>>65264190>The pride march yesterday vastly out-numbered Right Sector's pitiful counter marchSo what you’re saying is that the gays are choosing not to fight while the right-wing is actually out on the battlefield fighting for their country? Sounds like Ukraine is justified in keeping that shit banned then.
>65264363I will not read a more zigger thing this week.
>>65264438>Sounds like Ukraine is justified in keeping that shit banned then.It's not "banned".And you're not from here, meaning 4chan.You're a shill, just here to stir shit up and it's super obvious.
>>65264462It’s not recognized either. I am from here. You’re clearly not though. “Ukraine is going to become a gay progressive utopia!” Is such an obvious Russian bot program it’s easy to call out on sight.
>>65264479>I am from hereYou're from Moscow.
>65264363ZIGGER ZIGGER ZIGGER ZIGGER ZIGGER ZIGGERR ZIGGEERI'M 100% ZIGGERhttps://youtu.be/fF0xtYh48ns?t=8
>>65264502Nope. Nice try though. Get a new script Ivan.
>>65264507>NopeYou're right, the Lakhta Center is in pidorsberg
>>65264524Wrong again Ivan. Don't worry, I’m sure they’ll update your script any day now.
>>65264552>Wrong again Ivanno, I'm on the money with lakhta center
>>65264558Nope. But here’s a tip for next time:Shaming the fighters of Ukraine for being “bigots” ain’t gonna work on 4chan
>>65264582You're the one saying they'll throw away democracy and become ziggers.
>>65264599Nope, the only one saying they’ll be ziggers here has been you. Ziggers fear the fascist, it’s why they make such a big deal out of Ukraine being “Nazis”
>>65264654nice projection pidor
>>65264654>Ukraine has no real identity other than not being RussiaRussia are violent psychopathic mutts so that's a good thing I guess.
>>65264606>Ziggers fear the fascistZiggers *are* the fascists, you zigger
>>65264710Nope, you have a pop-culture idea of what fascism is
>>65264726>you have a pop-culture idea of what fascism isNo doubt *your* brand of fascism is based and trad, like ziggers, and not at all like every other self-destructive, authoritarian, dictatorial fascist regime ever, which have inevitably ruined every nation that it sprang up in, like a choking weed that smothered all the life-giving aspects of society.Name a single instance of fascism anywhere that didn't end in disaster for the nation in question.Fascism is a weed that kills millions, causes untold suffering and destroys nations, just like communism, theocracy and most other -isms.Democracy is non-negotiable.
>>65264668turns out he was the one projecting geg
>>65264682
In a Fascist USA you'd be conscripted sent into Kharg island to save the regime's face.
>>65264780>am I the only one that thinks he's a lunatic, I can't be the only one right
>>65264756>Fascism is a weed that kills millions, causes untold suffering and destroys nations, just like communism, theocracy and most other -isms.>Democracy is non-negotiable.
I think this thread is dealing with a /chug/ troll that's just trying to stir shit up by pretending to be an azov zigger or something and randomly attacking every poster with nonsensical NOUs
>>65264786>am I the only one that thinks he's a lunaticI think it's "must not behead the infidel" - I think that guy is a kadyrovite
>65264804>basedjack - check>chuggers aren't really trolls - checkYeah, I was right.
>>65263859>hello Anon Anonovych, just a quick poll>do you fully and unquestioningly support our brave freedom fighters in the Nazi-occupied, so-called "Ukraine", or are you a traitor that deserves to be unpersoned?>No worries of course, all answers are completely anonymous :)
>sh*rty spamWhat got turret tossed in Moscow today?
>>65264841It's an independent organization. Even if it was like you said, why would 31% of people choose to be unpersoned?
>>65264909Care to tell me or are you gonna keep seething?
>>65264940>Even if it was like you said, why would 31% of people choose to be unpersoned?They didn't say that the war was wrong, they just didn't answer that it was right.Maybe they said that they're neutral or "not interested in politics".
>>65264871>What got turret tossed in Moscow today?I think today is more of a Crimea day actually.
>>65264965>Care to tell me or are you gonna keep seething?Apparently there's drones over the bridge right now, we'll see tomorrow how air defence did.
>>65265057Which bridge?
>>65265068>Which bridge?The Park Bridge in Kyiv, what the fuck do you think?
>>65265077I think I don't know if you mean the Kerch bridge or some bridge in Moscow, I don't follow the arrows in real time and there was a major wave heading towards Moscow that I have zero information on.
>>65265085>the Kerch bridge or some bridge in MoscowI didn't say "some bridge", I said "the bridge".I'm assuming you're ESL so I'll be patient.When you use the definite article like that in English, it strongly implies that there is only one reasonable candidate and that it can be identified by context and that the most obvious choice will be the correct one.
>>65264940Point is, I'd trust polls from Best Korea more than what currently comes out of RussiaYou can't trust people to be honest if being honest could quite feasibly put your life and freedom (what little you have left anyway) at serious risk. Shit, manufactured charges for political opponents has been the standard Russian MO for god knows how long, since Lenin at the very least
>>65264756>Ziggers>The faggots who invented the LGBT movement and feminism>”Trad”LMFAO
>>65265363modern feminism was gestated in American university campuses and promoted by the CIA. Russia (and the USSR before it) criminalized homosexuality. but whatever, don't let facts stop you from using Russia as a bogeyman to blame your domestic failures on
>>65265411>criminalized homosexuality>still one of the most blatantly homosexual entities throughout historyLol faggot.
>>65263776Maybe it's not such a loss when it's brown elves...
>>65263340Killing Putin's ass probably would've triggered a war, as well, and in 2012 that was absolutely not one Ukraine could survive.
>>65266293For some strange reason, Russia considers it much better if there's gay sex between people that don't want it and everyone's miserable about it than if there's gay sex between people that wanted to and they're happy about it.
>>65266500Kek, in Russia it always boils down to people wanting others to be miserable.
>>65266745>in Russia it always boils down to people wanting others to be miserableThere's a strong element of that in China too.Mainlanders (the "loyal" ones) were kind of angry that Honkie studends wouldn't just shut up and bend over for the party/government/oligarchs.
