>>65265039
Remember how the Soviet-Afghan war was credited as a large reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Can someone tell me how much stuff they lost in Afghanistan compared to Ukraine? Because this might make 1989 look trivial by comparison

>>65265117
>Soviet Losses in Afghanistan
9,511 killed in combat[18]
2,386 died from wounds[18]
2,556 died from disease and accidents[18]
53,753 wounded[18]
264 missing
415,932 hospitalized due to disease[18]
451 aircraft lost (including 333 helicopters)
147 tanks lost
1,314 IFVs/APCs lost
433 artillery guns and mortars lost
11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks lost

>Russian losses in Ukraine
Tanks — 12050 (+1)
Armored fighting vehicle — 24805 (+8)
Artillery systems — 44530 (+51)
MLRS — 1886 (+1)
Anti-aircraft warfare — 1437 (+2)
Planes — 436
Helicopters — 353
Ground robotic systems — 1712 (+9)
UAV — 366164 (+2015)
Cruise missiles — 4787
Ships (boats) — 33
Submarines — 2
Cars and cisterns — 110201 (+384)
Special equipment — 4321 (+5)
Military personnel — aprx. 1393140 people (+1190)

>>65265117
In "The Beast" the water situation is important.

Buddy came back from Iraq with not just PTSD but some weird fungus that will be in his body forever and fucks him up randomly ever so often, as in he can barely call someone to come rescue him and drive him home.

The specific diseases that devastated the Soviet 40th Army include:Waterborne and Gastrointestinal DiseasesInfectious Hepatitis (primarily Hepatitis A): This was the single most widespread and debilitating ailment. The U.S. Army Medical Department Journal records 115,308 confirmed cases among Soviet troops. Entire battalions were frequently rendered combat-ineffective by outbreaks.Typhoid Fever: A severe bacterial infection contracted from food or water contaminated with sewage. It accounted for 31,080 official cases.Dysentery (Amoebic and Bacillary): Chronic, painful intestinal infections caused by poor sanitation and shared eating utensils.Cholera: Severe acute watery diarrhea that spread rapidly through camps with non-potable drinking water

but wiki says USSR only lost like 150 tanks, and 450 aircraft of which 333 were choppers.

I hear the rate of chopper crashes is high in anything close to "combat" or just "urgent and heavy" use, and I'm sure the mountains wouldn't help.

>>65265117
>Because this might make 1989 look trivial by comparison
The issue with the Afghanistan war was that by the time that the Soviet Union had decided to get itself mired into the the financial and military burdens of a full commitment in waging the Afghan war the entire nation was considered as being already on its way out the door after having suffered multiple economic woes and crises throughout the decades after WW2. I think there are papers somewhere out on the internet that state that the 60s and the 70s were a relatively bad time for the Soviet economy and the 80s essentially made it an inescapable death spiral.

>>65265117
The main difference is that the Russian Federation is not as isolated, so they have a lot more wealth to burn and more access to international markets.

>>65265160
>415,932 hospitalized due to disease
What a catastrophe.

>New zigger spam campaign ramping up
They're completely out of gas aren't they

>>65265382
>New

That's literally sixteen (16) year old repurposed copypasta

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>>65265377

>>65265388
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting little zigger

>>65265391
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>65265328
really, cause USSR seemed to be all up in more locations as sole/chief backer, everywhere from Libya/Egypt to Vietnam and Congo, in addition to full control of Warsaw Pack and 1/2 of Finland.

Not to mention various Jew-run Pinko agents in politics, schools, universities, Unions, media etc across NATO and Anglo-sphere.

Decades later Jen Psaki and Antifa college professors wear Soviet garb, while all their Jewish handlers like Yabba The Slut Nudelman conspire to start wars against Russia today.

>>65265039
lol I knew this was going to be a long dragged out nightmare when they ran out of gas halfway to kiev that first week

>>65265369
>A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops.
>There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases

lmao what the fuck

>>65265117
>Remember how the Soviet-Afghan war was credited as a large reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union?
It wasn't the main reason, USSR was already going down the shitter past 1960s, it was just hidden from everyone due to a culture of lying and making things look okay. But the war was a big factor to making it even worse for a few specific reasons:
- destroyed trust in the government (double-teamed by the handling of Chernobyl);
- destroyed the myth of the unstoppable Red Army;
- destroyed the respectability of the army in society, draft dodging was almost non-existent before it;
- funneled away a fuck ton of financial resources on the war, with a big part of it being spent on logistics;
- resulted in the "why the fuck are we even there, we're running out of fuckin' food at home" and "why do our kids die who knows where, nobody attacked us";

You can compare and contrast how russia is handling a much bigger war now:
- multiple orders of magnitude better propaganda support for the domestic audience;
- trying to avoid the usage of conscripts in the fighting, at least in a visible sense (you were tortured to sign a contract while you were doing national service? too bad lmao, you're now a contract volunteer, into the trench you go);
- even if a fucked up but still a market economy, which doesn't try to play a bullshit autarky, can be orders of magnitude more flexible and adapt to things better;

>>65265389
>newfag

>>65265160
i think its also widely speculated that their losses in afghanistan were significantly obfuscated

>>65265369
gotta figure if 1/3 were in HOSPITAL for out of control medically dangerous various type of diarrhea then it musta been rare 1/2 the guys didn't have raging squirts 24/7 such that it became the new color of uniform.

And of course that polluted the already unclean water in a feedback loop.

>>65265039
Is that really Moscow? What did I miss?

>>65265822
oil refinery in Moscow got clobbered

>>65265160
Holy shit
>>65265377
4/8, not terrible, not gr8

>>65265391
Shut the fuck up, retarded tourist scum.
You are as unwelcome here as they are.

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>>65265822
Nothing much. You definitely didn't miss a historic moment, nope.

>>65265497
run at Kiev was said to be a feint to pull Uks out of East which is the real area due to the Russian population and crease fire violations, etc.

>>65265910
Lol. You don't "feint" by killing off your best troops, tanks and special forces. That's like saying you let the enemy cut your dick as a feint so that you can lightly tickle his nose.

>>65266023
no, it was said to be great success "at the time" and I don't think they used any "best troops" and rolled into the land in the East fairly easy.

IIRC the Ukie forces were "digging in" around Kiev but little to no real contact, then Russians turned around.

>>65266051
>IIRC
You do not

>>65265170
>>65265510
>>65265597
how can we reintroduce the ruskis to Hepatitis A and Typhoid Fever in 2011+15?

>>65266051
anon they sent in multiple guards divisions and lost most of the VDV trying to secure an airbridge at hostomel, those were the best troops Russia had and they got fucking annihilated
they also sent in Rosvgardia, apparently on the assumption that the biggest threat would be civilian protests rather than military resistance

>>65265510
Afganistan is a dirty shithole, even western forces had tons of people go sick there. I had some weird fever that gave me pounding headaches and I know another guy got a virus in his eyes from using well water to cool himself down on patrol, apparently its permanent and it flares up from time to time and he's classed as non-deployable.

And why did the Russians turn around?

>>65265401
Kek, nuclear option deployed

>>65265910
>a feintnick
>in the year of 2020+6

>>65265910
Hello Tyler, how's the next author's barely disguised hebephilia book coming along?

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>>65265039
What's the point of these posts?
If we were next to Iran, I'm sure this (or worse) would be happening to us as well.
Instead of just pointing and laughing, like we did after Spiderweb, this should serve as a wakeup call that we need to get as much of our critical infrastructure hardened against UAVs ASAP.
This was done to an extent after the first WTC attack, more after OKC, and much more after 9/11. (The vehicle barriers, now common around public buildings in major cities, were unseen 40 years ago.)
But it needs to be accelerated now thanks to the UAV threat.

>>65265170
>Buddy came back from Iraq with not just PTSD but some weird fungus that will be in his body forever and fucks him up randomly ever so often, as in he can barely call someone to come rescue him and drive him home.

Could you tell us more ? I have some experience in this. There are fungii now that are adapted to live on and inside humans, basically black mold, but in and on your body instead of your house. They cause similar symptoms as black mold.

Its very difficult to get rid off but you can severely reduce the chronic symptoms by relatively simple means. While there are conventional treatments that work, they have side effects that can be quite serious, but these can also be worked around.

>>65266244
>I know another guy got a virus in his eyes from using well water to cool himself down on patrol, apparently its permanent and it flares up from time to time and he's classed as non-deployable.

Yeah your eyes are soft of a walled garden offset from your regular immune system but a chronic viral infection can be handled with stuff you can buy OTC because the reason that it is chronic is because the virus barely survives as it is. If the virus was not in this state but able to replicate itself unopposed your buddys eyes would have liquified long ago from massive cell death.

Do you know that an american invented an universal antiviral about ten years ago? It can even wipe AIDS and herpes infections. It was so good that it would have killed an industry of vaccines and shitty symptom suppressing medications that pulls in tens of billions of dollars in profit every year to Glaxosmithkline, Pharmacia-Upjohn, J&J etc. That would have had an unaceptable impact on company stock market values so the tech was just snuffed. There is almost as good anti cancer tech available too that is also memoryholed. If infection and cancer treatment consists of you buying an inhaler for $ 5.99 down at the local gas station, think of what would happen to doctors, hospital and pharma companies.

BTW there is an otc chemical widely used in industrial cooking that can remove artherosclerosis and also cure some lifestyle cancers. No more bypass operations ever. Or strokes. Think of what that would do to society. So many rich people would lose so much.

You americans have no idea how corrupt your country really is. BTW this does not just apply to medical technology but also to the american MIC, I should write an effortpost some day about american long range artillery studies and prototypes that petered out in nothing, and how the Zumwalt gun system was and is an obvious graft.

>>65266561
Wow that's a lot of text, shame I'm not reading it

>>65265039
Can someone explain to me how Russians are so shit at war but so good at running psyops on western populations? They literally reached out and toppled the best UK PM in decades. Sorry if this is off topic (although I don't think it is, psyops are a recognised part of warfare), but I don't understand how they can be great at one difficult thing (psyopsing an entire hostile population that loathes them) and terrible at another much simpler thing (organising a logistics train, a thing that is not only relatively straight forward but has been the subject of literally MILLIONS of military textbooks worlwide)

>>65266604
>russians are why people don’t like Starmer

Anon please don’t pretend to be retarded

>>65266607
Don't take the bait.

>>65266607
>>65266612
Anon isn't wrong about one thing though.

>>65266604
>Russians are so shit at war but so good at running psyops on western populations
I think the west is just exploitable because we're taught to value other's opinions, since you know, sometimes they're right.
When we face people who really and truly do not give a fuck about truth or even value it as a concept, we underestimate the threat until it's somewhat too late.

This isn't just something that hostile states can do, it happens to us all the time at home, from domestic actors who are essentially internal predators feeding on their own society because they see themselves as a wolf in sheep's clothing rather than one of the herd who profits from the herd's strength.

>>65266607
>>65266612
Without going into the politics too much, the economy is doing better than expected and immigration has collapsed. If you think otherwise, you've been psyopped.

>>65266604
While it's true Russians were desperately throwing everything they have at UK trust in the government no matter who it is. Starmers main problem that most people don't realise was that he was head of the Crown prosecution service and successfully clipped the wings of the UK's entrenched media cabal during the phone hacking scandal. Since then they've basically had a vendetta against him and basically shit on him every single day for every single thing he's done since taking office. He did deserve at least some of it though, The OSA and backtracking on WFA were spectacular own goals.
No PM or party can govern though if the press collectively decide they're gonna destroy you.

>>65266644
The WFA is referred to by OAPs I know as their "holiday allowance". It's the most insane bullshit ever and ending it would be great for the country.

>>65265160
I wonder how many people in the Ukraine war died to disease.

>>65265160
>Submarines — 2
Thats new, any proof of this ever happen?

>>65266561
Anon, Virals are just shells for RNA, you can't "cure them", because a lot of them use the same bits our body does, they also vary massively amd can't be cure all'd with one chemical
You are reading too much online sloppaganda.

>>65265160
>Soviet Losses in Afghanistan
I don't believe these numbers for a second. Maybe x10.

>>65266561
>>65266683
He's talking about DRACO, which had legitimate safety concerns:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-stranded_RNA_activated_caspase_oligomerizer
There are other examples like this.
For example, Oragenics devleoped strains of streptococcus-mutans (the primary cariogenic bacteria, especially at the incipient stage) that would permanently colonize the oral cavity and displace the normal strains, but metabolize carbohydrate into harmless water instead of lactic acid

>>65266676
>Thats new, any proof of this ever happen?
Quite a bit, it's new to you because you get very poor reception under rocks.

>>65266698
>For example, Oragenics devleoped strains of streptococcus-mutans
The issue here was the FDA wasn't comfortable letting a company infect people's mouths with bacteria that are almost impossible, once established, to eradicate, even if they would have displaced similar, harmful strains.
It got to a point where the company conceded that the FDA's criteria for inclusion were so restrictive that they wouldn't be able to find enough people to even do the trial.

>>65266676
They lost at least the B-237 "Rostov-na-Donu", of Improved Kilo II / Project 636.3 class, when it was Storm Shadow'd while in drydock a few years ago. The thing was pretty much gutted and hasn't left port since.

I think the other one's the B-271 "Kolpino", another Improved Kilo II boat. It was in Novorossiysk last December when some kind of Ukie semi-submersible drone boat managed to sneak into the port and detonated a few meters away from the B-271's stern.
Damage unknown, but those drone boats have been known to carry 500+ kg of explosives, and the shock from that transmitting through water may have done things to the boat's insides.

>>65266703
>bacteria that are almost impossible, once established, to eradicate
bacteria cross-breed too, if that resistance got into other bacteria, you'd have a new MERS problem to deal with

>>65266703
>The issue here was the FDA wasn't comfortable letting a company infect...
When people schizo post like >>65266561, they're basically assuming that a DDT/thalidomide issue couldn't happen again when letting companies go to market with large-scale deployment of insufficiently understood drugs is how we had these huge problems previously and why we have the regulations and regulatory authorities we do.

>>65266712
good. Russians just released two completely new hunter submarines instead, which have less crew are smaller, super quiet, dive deeper and got more torpedoes and rockets on board.. they are now diving around UK.

>>65266721
>Russian submarines
>super quiet
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>65266721
3/10 bait.
Too obvious

>>65266721
I'd keep them down there for as long as you can
trips into port are deadly for the russian navy

>>65266720
All of the "they're hiding miracle cure for X from us" schizos are assuming purely on faith alone that 'a substance with a possible potential to affect X' (as postulated by the actual researchers) would just end up being 100% effective at eliminating X with no downsides whatsoever which is a thing that generally just doesn't happen. It's "muh government is sitting on free energy tech" but for people who ramble about big pharma rather than big oil.

>>65266051
>and I don't think they used any "best troops"
That's just proof you (You) being a clueless retard, though.

>and rolled into the land in the East fairly easy
So easily they haven't made it past an hours drive from the pre-war frontline to this day LMAO.

>but little to no real contact
Save for the part where the columns trying to rush for Kyiv got utterly savaged and lost hundreds of AFVs and easily thousands of men - most of them first-rate regulars and VDV elites - you mean.

>>65266721
>they are now diving around UK
why wouldn't they be defending the Blacked Sea Fleet?

>>65266604
>Russians are so shit at war but so good at running psyops on western populations?
I don’t think that it’s so much about Russians being so good at psyops, but more about western societies inherently being more vulnerable to them.

Because we have more civil discourse about all kinds of stuff going on than in somewhere like Russia or China, be it major or minor issues, it also means that there are more pre-existing disagreements to escalate. Generally it’s a good thing that people can be open about their disagreements and annoyances without getting some FSB faggots barging in to silence you through fake charges or whatever, but unfortunately it is also easy to grab on to legit grievances, use entryism to influence already agitated people, and escalate them to full retard polarization, away from productive discussion or activism.

>>65266720
>>65266751
They also generally need to fall back on conspiracy to handwave away the fact that even if there was a real miracle drug that big pharma didn't want, there's dozens of countries with smaller pharma industries also capable of developing things that wouldn't give a shit about cutting the legs out from a larger company and in fact leap at the opportunity.

>>65266771
And to add to this, it’s good to remember that good psyops can basically never be invented out of thin air, they always work better when you take an existing, legitimimate grievance or movement and then try to twist it or poison the well. Best psyops assets are people who advance your interests without necessarily even realizing it, such as anti- nuclear power activists thinking that they’re doing it for safety of their people and environment, while in reality they’re making their countries more reliant on oil and gas exports etc.

>>65266781
>such as anti- nuclear power activists thinking that they’re doing it for safety of their people and environment, while in reality they’re making their countries more reliant on oil and gas exports etc
They're doing both of course, they're only aware of and intentionally doing the first one (as they understand it).

This is true whether it's incels or environmentalists or safety-belt advocates or whatever. The underlying issue isn't really relevant, just so long as its at least slightly divisive.
And if no issue exists, that's when it's time for some false-flag operations to make one.

>>65266773
>there's dozens of countries with smaller pharma industries also capable of developing things that wouldn't give a shit about cutting the legs out from a larger company and in fact leap at the opportunity.
Indian pharma would be all over any miracle cure, just like they are with generic medicines shipped to the west already, either expired-patents or simply illegally violating valid patents.

>>65266751
While I can kind of see them suppressing a cure for some extremely rare weird disease like the one that turns your muscles into bones, there is approximately zero percent chance anyone is hiding a cure for the big ones. Because ultimately, if someone did find a cure for cancer (not that you can cure cancer as a whole) Big Pharma would absolutely sing about it from the heavens. One, so that they can charge a fortune for it, and two because their stock price would immediately skyrocket.
Ditto the flu or common cold.

>>65265884
Phew that's a relief. Time to get back to Elden Ring.

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>A missile strike was carried out against a chalk processing plant in Alekseyevka, Belgorod region. The extent of damage is clearly visible. Building destroyed.

What is the military value of chalk?
Is it a component in anything in particular?
Ukraine went to a bit of trouble to shut down this place, so certainly they thought it was worth doing.

It can't just be to prevent roided-up decanted VDV clones from working out properly.

>>65266832
>vital to cement production
>binders/fillers
>precision polishing medium
There's three big ones right there.

>>65266832
>>65266875
Melzavod EGA used to be a civilian building material extraction plant but it was probably repurposed for military production.
No idea what was actually happening in there but I don't see any reason why ukies would attack a chalk factory.

>>65265170
Choppers are high attrition vehicles in war. The US lost a shit ton too in vietnam

>>65266832

bridge is fine! Just needs bag of cement and 2 guys! ))))

(Chalk is a primary ingredient of cement)

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>>65265039
Keep pushing your luck, piggers.

>>65266896
Because helicopters are shockingly dangerous and easily-broken. Large drones replacing them will unironically be a blessing.

>>65266951
Isn't that the guy that helped coordinate the strike on Crimean ferries a couple days ago?

>>65266951
Why not just capture the whole globe?

>>65266889
>No idea what was actually happening in there but I don't see any reason why ukies would attack a chalk factory.
Apparently it's been hit before, so they're certainly sure it's important in some way.

>>65266875
>>vital to cement production
There is no way, NO WAY, that Ukraine is going to try to end concrete production in Russia. That's unpossible.

>>binders/fillers
>>precision polishing medium
These maybe count for something, is it used for solid rocket fuel or plasterizing explosives?
Not sure there's value in degrading polishing stuff, lens aren't going to be that big a thing and they couldn't restrict production enough to slow down production of seeker-heads could they?

>>65267006
>Why not just capture the whole globe?
This, let's see Ukraine launch storm-shadows when the albion falls to the bear.

>>65266951
too much krokodil does things to your brains, kids.

>>65267022
>too much krokodil does things to your brains, kids.
Most bloggers like that are some sort of attention-seeking/main-player-syndrome/narcissist, experiencing consequences like everyone else always throws them for a loop.
Even though the consequences are arguably unjust and we'd be blind with rage if it happened in the west, any zigger knows what sort of totalitarian tyranny they live in and the dumbest mobik wouldn't make the mistakes that this idiot does.

>>65267006
>>65267022
nah, it's sarcasm, the dude usually writes nothing like that, even when he's borderline suicidal after yet another russian fuckup
He must have had an FSB visit recently because he started deleting parts of his posts where he dared to criticize too much
They must have told him to tow the propaganda line so he went over the top with the bullshit, technically obeying the order kek

>>65266721
Lemme guess, these are called Krokodil-class, same as the stuff swimming around in your veins when you make shit up about analogovnet submarines?

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>>65266051
>then Russians turned around
turned around in their grave lmao

>>65266051
Did we or did we not see columns of BMDs full of VDV that never even got the chance to dismount before getting lit up and slaughtered to the man?

>>65267245
you did not see columns of BMDs, you didn't see them, because they were never there

>>65266991
Yes. He did.

>>65266657
>ending it would be great for the country.
But what does that have to do with newspaper headlines?

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>>65267289

>All discussion of politics and current events goes on /pol/.
How come this isn't enforced anymore

>>65267345
Wars in general are a side-topic for /k/ and basically the entire world hates Russia right now anyway, including most of the jannies.

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>>65266051
>little to no real contact
Yknow except hostomel or really anywhere else

>>65267371
He seems pretty mad, what's that from?

>>65266826
Why would supressing a miracle cure for rare disease make any sense?
The actual reason is there is very little money behind it because its so rare.

>>65266771
There is an even more important aspect which you are not considering with regards to the wests vulnerability to Pysops and that is out own internal political and social state
to put it bluntly, our politics is not falling apart because of how effective russian (or anyone else for that matter) psyops are, russian (and co) psyops are as effective as they are because our politics is falling apart.
the good news is that this being a primarily internal problem means that it can be fixed internally as well, if we get the skilled and responsible leaders we need there will be no amount of psyops on earth that can stop our recovery

>>65267345
Ok, post a gun with a timestamp.

>>65267451
>skilled and responsible leaders
Do you guys ever had any?

>>65267460
sure, they come along once every generation or so, usually emerging in response to some sort of major crisis

>>65267466
>major crisis
Such as?

>>65265039
Moscow looks so based and chadly now

>>65267394
Godzilla final wars, the scene is immediately after his monster gets massively BTFOd

>>65266951
“Don’t siege Leningrad, take it”

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>>65265160

Some of the russian military cemetaries are having bi-monthly updated cenotaphs now.

Amazing.

TZD.

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>>65265117
Fun fact, I've said this multiple times but I cannot find the article I read. It was basically around December 2021 or Jan 2022 and it was an article on about potential invasion of Ukraine.

The article covered how Cheycnha was a major problem for Russia and it struggled to recover from the shame. It covered how Afghanistan killed the USSR because of the losses and shit. It talked about how even Georgia was embarrassing for the losses suffered despite the 'win'. It then covered the potential war with Ukraine.

It basically said they expected Ukraine to lose 15,000 men and Russia to lose about 5,000. It then said that Russia probably would lose 300 tanks. It then went on to say that even these losses would not be acceptable for the Russian public. It said that even if total annexation was achieved that kind of loss would really hurt Putin and Putin might not survive. It talked about how during the Afghanistan War that widows of soldiers who died there formed a group calling for the end of the war so more widows weren't made, so that people did not lose sons, brothers, nephews, uncles, husbands, fathers, cousins. It grew rapidly and had thousands of people in it, which contributed a bit to the pull out and eventual collapse.

We're at many times this. Already. However Putin learned from the mistakes of the Afghanistan War and quickly controlled the media. He controlled the narrative so he controlled the response. The thousands who did protest? Arrested or disappeared. Even children. He quickly abducted millions of Ukrainian children so any potential losses would eventually be replaced. Finally, remember the widow group I mentioned? Well it formed, except it formed telling people to sign up and join the war. Not to prevent deaths of husbands etc, but to make filthy hohol women suffer like we did! Sign up and make them hurt! Make them experience loss and pain!

Putin did all this, with help from Priggy's IRA until he did Priggy Heresy and got got.

>>65267451
>>65267466
The problem with hoping for that is that if any Western leader looks likely to solve the issues, they will be relentlessly attacked by Russian agitators online and their useful idiot western oligarch allies.
We are literally in a fight for our lives for freedom and democracy, and if we lose it Russia for everyone for ever. No really think about that, every country will be a shithole like Russia for ever.
Under the circumstances we NEED to get kinetic both with Russia and start imposing some fucking costs and disincentives for our fifth columnist fuckwits, both the oligarchs and the Left and Rioght weirdos Russia uses.
Helicopter rides are free so they say. I advocate for Extreme Radical Centrism.

>>65267451
>if we get the skilled and responsible leaders we need there will be no amount of psyops on earth that can stop our recovery
I think it takes an educated and engaged populace to create (and support) those leaders.

>>65267466
>usually emerging in response to some sort of major crisis
I tend to think that the crises create the leader who otherwise would be a merely adequate leader who had no occasion to rise to.

>>65267512
>Godzilla final wars, the scene is immediately after his monster gets massively BTFOd
Thanks

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>>65267594
>Finally, remember the widow group I mentioned?

>>65267658
>Helicopter rides are free so they say.
No need for anything like that, Russian sellout isn't a mainstream position.
If a government with enough balls to do helicopter rides existed, they could use the security agencies to listen to the oligarch's phone calls, get them on collusion/espionage/foreign agent charges and v& them legally, publicly and transparently.

Some relatively simple anti-political-bias laws for media where they're not allowed to use journalistic sources (which are defined so as not to permit Tucker "I'm an entertainer" Carlson shenanigans) to push political agendas, and a journalistic code of conduct.

If a media outlet whines about this, tap their phones, bug the CEO's country clubs, get them on the wire telling an editor what to do and then use that to convict editors and executives.
If the problem is too widespread, revoke their broadcast license.

Get physical with corporations and make it clear that they can choose to be loyal to their nation or cease doing business in it.
Seize and liquidate a few corporations Wall St Raider style but judicially.

Get the journalist unions on-board, only a handful of old unionists are really still going to be loyal to Moscow. When papers don't get printed because staff are on strike over being told to print propaganda, the paper will change or shut down.
If it does shut down, promise the union that the government will assist them in bailing it out and converting it into a worker cooperative or a charter paper, then keep that promise.

I think the problem is not unsolvable through some radical but relatively sane legal means.

>I advocate for Extreme Radical Centrism
Sounds pretty moderate to me.

>>65267409
Maybe not suppressing so much as not developing. And the biggest reason I can think of is cost. What’s the point of spending millions and millions of dollars on a treatment or cure for some disease that only affects like three people on Earth, all of whom live in Poorfuk, India?

That being said, I don’t actually believe anyone is hiding cures for anything, just that IF it’s happening, it’s almost certainly either some absurdly rare condition, or one that’s incredibly common but incredibly minor (think ingrown hairs or something of that nature)

>>65267749
>What’s the point of spending millions and millions of dollars on a treatment or cure for some disease that only affects like three people on Earth, all of whom live in Poorfuk, India?
That's the kind of thing that USAID used to do (among many others).

>>65267738
>No need for anything like that, Russian sellout isn't a mainstream position.
Counterpoint: It would be extremely funny to throw someone out of a helicopter who had advocated for that exact same thing for the guy being thrown out next to him. They would have lots to talk about on the journey I think.

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>>65266951
I wonder if he is still alive.

>>65267691
>Sedated on live television while covering up / downplaying the death of 120 people and an the loss of entire fckn Nuclear Submarine
>All while rejecting western help that could have quite possibly saved a good quarter of the remaining crew
It's amazing that happened in 2000, it feels like something that would've happened yesterday

>>65266604
You can steal glacis armor out of a t-72 and sell it for some side cash.
You can't smuggle zigger talking points or sell subversive agitprop on the black market.
Propaganda machines don't have physical materiel to sell for vodka or dachas, so the rot that infests every other part of the russian machine finds a hard time infiltrating Glavset-type organizations because there's just nothing to steal from it, unless you really think those sim cards used for all the phones on the bot farms is juice worthy of a squeeze.

>>65268104
Fucking lmao

>>65266604
Half of all people are completely fucking retarded

>>65267459
as much as i think who you responded to is a trog you can't do this without providing your own first. not like it means anything anymore, anyways.

>>65268104
lol is this real?

>>65266604
Western leaders are trash.

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>>65268856
Very real.
At first he was like:

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>>65268868
But then he was like:

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>>65266604
It boils down to the Russians mastering this propaganda tactic and exporting it to their allies and puppets in the west to benefit themselves, on top of their usual inflaming existing divisions within any given country among cultural or racial lines through social media.
But in the case of the UK, Starmers got fucked because the UK press wants his head on a pike as mentioned here >>65266644. However, the Russians are still trying to boost the Reform party and Nigel Farage, since he'd be a clear puppet for Putin in upending the western alliance.
But some good news on that front, Russian meddling failed to tip the scales since in the latest election in the UK last week, Labour defeated Reform.

So in the battles that currently count, Russia cannot stop losing.

>>65265117
Only by gullible westerners thinking it was some vietnam moment. Completely ignoring how the cattles opinion does not matter in tyrannies like the pidor union. And vatniks coming up with copium why their shit house fell apart over night.

Real, and main reason, it disintegrated was that the imperial center, muscovia, became weak and luckily there was no tyrant near the throne ready to spring on it and violently suppress. The open air prison camps administration was in disarray and prison guards directionless. The prisoners, like the ethnics locked in it, smelled the weakness and bolted for the door as fast as they could. Its not a coincidence the empire started to rot from the baltics that enjoyed independence before ww2 and were occupied by force.

If someone like stalin or monke had grabbed the wheel, then it would have ended in mass killings and repressions to keep the thing together with sheer violence. Famines or hyperinflation be damned. And westerners would have ignored the best they can, just like they did with Hungary, poland and czehoslovakia in the decades prior. Since for most of them it was not their skin on the line and burgers always bail out muscovia when they get into serious trouble

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>>65268848
Here you go. I'd accept a time stamped toilet.
>doesn't mean anything
It means you either belong or you can fuck right off. I have a gun, I can prove I have a gun, I get to talk about whatever interests me on the weapons board and in this case it's the absolute clusterfuck that is the "second army in the world" falling on its face.

>>65268077
>Counterpoint: It would be extremely funny to throw someone out of a helicopter who had advocated for that exact same thing for the guy being thrown out next to him
There is that.

You're kind of turning me around on the idea though because if I could guarantee that an oligarch got a helicopter ride alongside me, I might be more ok with it.

We out number them in the tens or hundreds of millions to one, taking one for the team has an outsized effect.
What makes Super Luigi Bros impractical is the likelihood of failure not the cost.

>>65266951
Isn't this the guy who tipped off Crimea being resupplied with fuel to Ukrainian telegram channels?
>>65268104
What a retard

>>65268363
>You can't smuggle zigger talking points or sell subversive agitprop on the black market.
>Propaganda machines don't have physical materiel to sell for vodka or dachas
You kind of can.

Instead of selling gear on ebay or to africa, you run cybercrime and scams against western corporations and grandmothers alike.
So long as you kick a percentage upstairs, you're protected from consequences, even if the west can identify you through opaque law enforcement (just don't holiday in extradition countries).
The effect is neglible on the orgs though, so it doesn't have the same impact as it does on the army.

I do wonder how many of those "buy X thousand likes/shares" schemes involve actual Russian propaganda botnets being used for side enterprises.

>>65268982
>poop crumbs on the toilet

Individuals who do not believe in truth and objectivity as Platonician ideals (while we might not be able to attain them, we should strive to approximate them) are the socio-cultural equivalent of prions. If left free, their effect upon a nation is identical to that of a prion on the body's proteins.
Thus ziggers are socio-cultural prions, and should be dealt with similarly.

Any booms tonight?

>>65270091
Mostly Crimea getting shit on some more. Simferopol and Feodosia this time.

I think what's more interesting is that Russia only launched around 101 drones last night according to Ukraine.

>>65270104
>Simferopol and Feodosia this time.
Do we know what got hit? I got a bet with a friend where I'm sending him one fresh boom video each day and I don't want to break my streak.

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>>65266676
You must be new here

>>65266730
watch the hunt for red october

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>>65270091
plants closed. power is supposed to be out, but i don't know why the street lights are still on in the pic

>>65270126
Neat, thanks.

>>65266687
Keep in mind the USSR had countries other than Russia to tardwrangle them to a degree.

>>65267738
>Get physical with corporations and make it clear that they can choose to be loyal to their nation or cease doing business in it.
>Seize and liquidate a few corporations Wall St Raider style but judicially.
This sounds pretty dicey in practice, because most corporations would think nothing of jumping ship to China if threatened either physically or with nationalization. What's one zero less to their name?

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>>65268300
I remember it as well on tv being covered by the news and in my brain something was shouting out 'This is not OK' holy fuck
But everyone else in the world, the press, politicians and so on was like, 'Just Russian Things' to have a gov spook walk over and tranq the shit out of someone with a big ol fashioned horse needle! But I guess it hit a bit closer to home as I was in the military at the time and it could easily be mine or anyone else's mother getting jabbed to shut the fuck up and being very grateful not to be a Russian

>>65265491
Guten tag Herr Obersturmbanfuhrer

>>65265170
Having just recovered from typhoid, that is fucking insane. I legitimately cannot fathom how a military unit could function with so many of them contracting it. Even with prompt antibiotics I was on my ass uncontrollably shivering for 3 days.

>>65270146
>This sounds pretty dicey in practice, because most corporations would think nothing of jumping ship to China if threatened either physically or with nationalization. What's one zero less to their name?
When I say physically, I don't mean fascist militia beating executives in the street, I just mean serving warrants, police raids, arresting executives on legit charges, suspending licenses etc.

But if they jump ship to China, let them.

Buy up their assets in the firesale, or encourage new startups/existing competitors to do so, incubate new competitors to maintain market diversity and competition, give a few grants to promising new companies or employee cooperatives and the like.
The bad actors leave the market, the demand for their product fuels a new local competitor who replaces them in the market.

If the stockholders are happy putting their money in Chinese hands then that's their problem, everybody now knows how that turns out. They'll have a few short years to make money and once it's definitely profitable, a Party sponsored/owned local company will eat their lunch right out of their lunchbox while looking them in the eye and asking what guilo will do about it.
More likely, the stockholders sell off and invest in your new local companies, probably they and some fleeing staff are the ones making the startups.

This would require some anti-vertical integration laws too, most countries have them but sometimes they're pretty weak or easily/routinely evaded.

Most of the problems with cracking down on this stuff are solvable, it just requires a government that can stand up to corporations/oligarchs and that's what's actually rare.
If you're offering helicopter rides to traitors though, you're already not very concerned with what the papers will print; either because you control the media, have b& independent media, or the readers support you regardless.

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>>65266721
A vintage cope, how quaint

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>The Orenburg Gas Processing Plant (Opeнбypгcкий гaзoпepepaбaтывaющий зaвoд, or Orenburg GPP) is one of the largest gas processing facilities in the world and the largest in Russia
oh dear

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>>65270224

>>65270224
>Gas
It's the beginning of the summer how the hell is this supposed to affect daily loves for Russians, since apparently ukies have long given up at tactics affceting the battlefield?

>>65270228
>how the hell is this supposed to affect daily loves
god knows I want russian cattle to suffer, but unlike zigerians, the ukies aren't trying to kill russian civilians by getting them to freeze or anything like that
This is just part of a long-term plan of hitting the russian economy where it hurts the most, which is in their energy exports.

>>65270224
Orenburg produces a lot of stuff beyond natural gas. Sulphur, ethane, helium... And the helium part of the complex was also hit. It's the only one of its kind in Russia.

No more rocket fuels.

>>65270228
yeah its not like they need that gas to make cordite or anything

>>65270234
>No more rocket fuels
Drones are the name of the game nowadays anyway, and even then nothing we can't buy from China

>>65270224
>smoke plumes
I'm 96% sure that's just normal operation of any russian power plant (or aircraft carrier)

>>65270238
>cordite
What's that?

>>65270104
could just be a coincidence
I'll start thinking somethings up when they dip into the double digits for a prolonged period, say two weeks

>>65270224
Nice. That facility is responsible for over 60% of gazprom processing. Hopefully the damage is catastrophic.

>>65268363
that's actually an very interesting point now that you mention it
If there is nothing to steal and nothing to sabotage then what choice does a russian have but to do his job to the minimum level necessary to avoid a beating?

>>65267658
I don't disagree, but I think you are underestimating the possibility of victory
Trump, for all his many and debilitating flaws, has at least proven that an unconventional and aggressive communications strategy can and will break through the establishment stranglehold on politics - all we need is for some not evil and retarded leaders to learn from that example and begin developing strategies of their own. We've even seen it happen just now in the UK, where reform was not just beaten at its own game but absolutely dominated by a skilled communicator who was willing to admit that Britain is broken
He may still crash and burn, failure is always a possibility, but he proves that it can be done and as far as I'm concerned the simple possibility of victory is all the forces of freedom have ever needed

>>65267483
the ongoing collapse of politics across the west is a good example

>>65270243
you might know it as smokeless gunpowder or by its technical name, nitrocellulose
a key ingredient in the manufacture of nitrocellulose is, as the name implies, nitric acid (three guesses what the only other ingredient is)
Industrial quantities of nitric acid are primarily produced through the Ostwald process, which itself is dependent on ammonia production via the Haber-Bosch process, which uses natural gas as a feedstock
on a side note, that same natural gas dependent ammonia is also a key ingredient in artificial fertilizers

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>>65270240
>Drones are the name of the game nowadays
Ethane is also used to make the plastic for drones...

>>65270230
Fucking up exports are nice and all, but the war machine runs on oil and natural gas, too.
If you cut that, their logistics and ammunition production is fucked, too. Which is starting to show.
There are no steam locomotives. Maybe cars will show up with wood gas implements like in ww2...

>>65270293
I forgot, it's possible to use coal to create gasoline and shit, germans used it, too. But yeah can the russians do that? Big doubt.

>>65270240
>nothing we can't buy from China
buddy, you are fucking broke

>>65270240
Even India wasn't taking rubles in 2023, now that you don't have oil or gas to sell what the fuck do you have that China wants other than Siberia and a public self-flagellation over Mongolia?

>>65270295
As far as I know, it is extremely inefficient. The Germans did it because they had to, not because it is usually worthwhile

>>65266604
honestly i think it might genuinely be something they're passionate about. like they get a strong positive chemical release from deception of any kind, whether it be lying, propaganda, subversion, etc. and that motivates them to take it seriously and not cut corners.

>>65270228
>didn't need those rocket fuel compounds anyway

>>65270228
Industry runs on gas.

>>65270295
>can the russians do that?
Ungodly anount of wood in siberia. They are sitting on a gold mine

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another one bites the dust

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i can feel the collapse coming

>>65270364
>not a single mention of bum fucking
Impressive self control for a Russian.

>>65270364
its uncanny how they all have the same verbal diarrhea and same sentiment "it was not my problem but now it is my problem so now it must be your problem too"

>>65270376
That's just every social media user ever

>>65270379
not really

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p..please stop bombing us we're ukranians too

>>65270169
>>65270146
>The billionaires will take their companies
And leave a hole in the market for someone else? Or even better a hole for a group of people to scramble into, setting off a chain effect of innovation to the benefit of the consumer? Oh no, save us from such a terrible thing.
Funny how the people who advocate the strongest for "free markets" don't actually believe in it in practise.
And all we're asking is that you stop drilling holes in the fucking boat we're all floating in.

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WAR CRIME

>>65270432
>over a million of your men get dragged into the military, get a week long crash course, then get sent out to be cubed
>silence
>there's long lines for gas
>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

huh?

>>65270404
They decided to becomeo part of puccia 12 years ago.
Sry no refunds.

>>65270364
>>65270432
heres an interesting question: do they know why they are running out and simply can't say so on social media without getting gulag'd, or are they really unaware of the connection between the ongoing strategic bombing campaign and the shortage of targeted goods?

>>65270435
deeply ingrained 'not my problem'
except now it's your problem, and it's going to get worse

>>65270435
Russia and Russians are very much
>If it doesn't affect me, I don't care
As long as I am not the one being cubed, I don't care. As long as I am not the one who has their apartment hit by an EW'd drone, I don't care. As long as I am not the one out of pocket, I don't care. Even those who lost loved ones in the war are very much 'it wasn't me' so I don't care. But line for gas? That is affecting me. If you watch a lot of these videos, many of them don't even mention the war or understand it. So they don't think that the queue is due to Ukraine hitting the refineries and this can all stop if Russia fucks off back to 1991 borders.

>>65270440
>t's going to get worse

source?

>>65270447
budanov

>>65270432
>fat
>red hair
uhhhh i thought russia was a based and tradcath country? bros????

>>65270364
>facts are facts
That sounds like such a Russian thing to say, but without the vulgarity.

>>65270432
I know it's not the case, but these clips look like they all get into their cars to drive around and record videos of them talking.

Which would be silly to do in their situation, but...

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OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>65270514
Now the thing is, unlikely for what reason? Repairs taking too long, or further dronings?

>>65270514
That's a good start. The goal, however, must be permanent shutdown.

>>65265039
this is breaking news and political

>>65270489
I think it's rhetoric to avoid criticising the SMO and regime.
>Why is this happening? Who can say but facts are facts
>I'm not making any statement about the cause, merely saying that fuel is restricted by government order

>>65270514
It's already over half way through 2026, that's not particularly a long time.

>>65270553
Do they not teach basic math in Russia?

>>65270553
>6 months no gas is fine

lol, lmao even

>>65266604
>Starmer
>best pm in decades
Nigger

>>65266640
Yeah yeah, and the rape gang inquiry is fake zigger news

>>65270435
>over a million
In your dream hohol

>>65270514
>(((sources))) say

>>65270525
>unlikely for what reason?
>Repairs taking too long, or further dronings?
Yes.
Also, repair crew geting mobilized in october and repair money going to bank account in Dubai/Singapore/Cyprus/etc.

>>65270553
try holding your breath for six months and tell me its not a long time

>>65270572
Most of that happened while the tories were in charge.

>>65267767
>redditor shows up to shill for usaid

>>65270582
>mobilized
Baseless fear mongering. Still plenty of turdies lining up to join the army as well as asiatics plebs from the eastern regions

>>65270228
>It's the beginning of the summer how the hell is this supposed to affect daily loves for Russians,
What do you think gets burnt for electricity in Thermal Power Plants?
Coal yes, the modern ones use gas though.
So AC (also refrigeration) requires electricity, no electricity makes like a bit unpleasant.

That said, this isn't the objective.

>since apparently ukies have long given up at tactics affceting the battlefield?
Industry, including the arms industry, kind of needs electricity very much.
That's to say nothing of how gases are used in various forms of explosives, propellants, and both liquid and solid rocket fuel.

>>65268877
Post gun, redditor

>>65270596
I thought the leftist narrative was that it never happened?

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>>65270432
I almost feel sorry for her, if only they weren’t all such massive cowards and weren’t afraid of speaking truth to power

>>65270437
>They decided to becomeo part of puccia 12 years ago.
No they didn't, they (narrowly) decided to remain part of Ukraine but were invaded.
Still, the people who voted for Ukraine are either in Ukraine, or getting excited about the possibility of liberation in the medium-term future.

>>65270627
I imagine it's gotta suck for the Crimean Tartars at the very least, I doubt most of them left for obvious reasons

>>65270616
It still boggles the mind the amount of casualties they’re willing to take for scraps of useless blownout villages, 800 a day not even enough to cover daily losses, my fucking lord

>>65270404
>>65270437
Don't Crimeans desperately want to be back in Ukraine? you have to leave Russian-administered elections and polls.

>>65270616
>a hidden rotation of rear

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>>65270447
>source?

>>65270616
Which account is that?

>>65270616
>a hidden rotation of "rear-quarters" into assault units
Are they going to send artillerymen, cripples and logistics crew into the trenches again?

>>65270580
this source isn't from jewtin tho.

>>65270616
> send the people responsible for logistics,repair,etc to the front
>replace them with frontline mobiks or fresh recruits
I hope they do that.

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>>65270496
>these clips look like they all get into their cars to drive around and record videos of them talking
It's a certain kind of person who does this.

>>65270629
>I doubt most of them left for obvious reasons
There's a whole brigade of them in the AFU, I assume they have families in Kyiv of wherever.

>>65270650
you know they are serious people when they wear polarized sunglasses

>>65270616
Fake news

>>65270631
i dont know if they are actual russians posting but casualties dont seem to factor into the "losses" at all. all that matters is
>getting new land
>eliminating independence
>showing NATO who is boss
i think these people must operate on a certain level of detachment and a bit of psychosis so that none of the material/human losses are "real". until of course they have some effect on their actual day to day, at which point it is a tragedy

>>65270667
true maybe they won't even wait for September and start the mass mob sooner

>>65270616
If that 800 number is true, and Ukraine is inflicting 1200 casualties a day (lets assume 200 of them can recover and be redeployed, with crutches or otherwise), that means russia's military is shrinking by 6,000 people every month. If this trend remains unchanged that's a loss of 72,000 soldiers after a year, or almost a 10% reduction of the around 800,000 russians deployed in Ukraine

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you can pick up qt russian girls on the side of the road if you have gas in your tank

>>65270697
Do these people not have bikes? I thought this is a European city.

>>65270709
Owning a bicycle in Russia marks you as the poorest of poorfagniggers. Hobos jerking off in public wipe the cum off their hands on you.

>>65270631
Out of sight, out of mind.

>>65270697
This year they're begging for gas
Next year they'll beg for food

>>65270709
Moscow is basically a big CBD region, its got the cultural-government bullshit square, some smaller suburban areas with high rises, some light industry etc
The rest is potholes, suburban hellscape, reeks of piss and made out of failed socialism with asbestos roof panels

I mean, you 'could' ride though it or if you're up for a challenge there's buses out there. Some of them aren't even bussifying the men who dodge drafts

>>65270724
After they have eaten the doritos, and then the dead mobikd. Russian women will walk around looking like dogs from Bakhmut.

>>65270724
One mars bar, two blowjobs

>>65270612
It is, but I'm not a leftist. I just think the UK tories deserve more hate for being the most treacherous cucks in the world.

>chinese dudes will buy those girls
I'm a bit jelly ngl

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>>65265160
>Submarines — 2
holy moly! when did they get the second one?

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>>65270734
They'll be stirring pajeets sloppy porridge and rolling on the HIV wheel of fortune

>>65270738
How high are the chances this guy is currently in Ukraine or dead?

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>>65270745
He may very well be the cleaner in a building somewhere or packing boxes in a wildberry warehouse
Russia's out of manpower and they want UNLIMITED JEETS to fill the gap left by all the dead vatniks that go to Ukraine to find out how the drones work

They still work by the way

>>65270364
retard should do this https://files.catbox.moe/7rb0vi.mp4

>>65270728
>CBD region
cock & balls deformation region?

>>65266561
>american invented an universal antiviral about ten years ago?
>There is almost as good anti cancer tech available too
>there is an otc chemical widely used in industrial cooking that can remove artherosclerosis and also cure some lifestyle cancers
>I should write an effortpost some day

You could start by naming these treatments/compounds. But you won't, because you're the shitty stupid version of a conspiracy theorist. You're just saying wild shit without bringing receipts or even naming names. Do better or kys.

>>65270737
Some months ago one got its ass blown off by a submersible drone

>>65270783
i assume this is criminal

whys he filming his own crime scene

>>65270737
Probably the B-271 Kolpino, Improved Kilo II class.
Last December, a "Sub Sea Baby" UUV somehow got into the Novorossiysk port and detonated underwater, meters away from the sub. The Russians claimed no damage. Ukies declared it a kill.

>>65270758
>Russia's out of manpower and they want UNLIMITED JEETS to fill the gap
Should've gone with chinks instead. Not a wumao, but at least they work and aren't vile repugnant trash like jeets.

>>65270817
Chinks have too high standards of living for life in russia to be appealing to them

>>65270788
Cock and Ball torture is probably occupying a larger contribution to the Russian economy than it has done, the Central Business Districts in Mosquecow tend to charge more per hour, Elvira probably charges a fair bit too but you're guaranteed an ending... not a happy ending like the Russian-Thai expat ladyboys, but it will end one way or another

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>>65270820
'Chinks' are about 48 different races. Russia is dozens of different races. Pic related is a Russian. They just happens to be the Udeghe of Khabarovsk Krai. So the idea a 'Chink' wouldn't cope with Russia is retarded because their ethnicities (adjacent and otherwise) already live there.

>>65270820
you've not been to china and if you have i bet you never left the tourist cities. huge chunks of china live like they did 500 years ago.

>>65270817
>Should've gone with chinks instead
China has massive worker shortages
they will do jack shit encouraging their lower/middle class citizen to go anywhere but their own factories

and chinese people with any T1 (new or old) hukou are wealthier than Russians anyway
even Beijing is above Moscow now

I don't even think Xi wants Russia to win
the longer the war and wider the sanctions, the more desperate Russia gets and China can just buy everything up for scraps and extracting the last Ruble by being the only one who sells stuff to them
also strains EU economies, making them softer towards China
as soon as the war is over, China loses their advantageous position

>>65270820
There are boatloads of chinks living in caves with no electricity.

>>65270830
I think he means that the average lower-middle income chink wont live like a russian trash goblin in some godforsaken siberian dumpster- unless you pay them a fair bit

>>65270724
Back to 90s comrade, except the west wont be giving you tons of food this time. Enjoy.

>>65270758
>that toilet paper toss

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>>65270830
I will say one nice thing about the "Russkiy Mir" bullshit. Having one language (Russian) work across all of Siberia is a good thing.

>>65270837
nta but as i said >>65270834 huge chunks of china are basically the same as they were during the qing dynasty. sure you might see a modern bike or two, some modern food, but they still do what they did 500 years ago and don't have the modern conveniences places like shanghai, beijing or hong kong have.

there are plenty of chinese and plenty of 'undesirable' chinese (muslims) that china would happily ship off to do something useful mining siberia for gold.

>>65270447
They're Russian.

>>65270603
Turdies don't have the skills to repair that kind of infrastructure though. You can't scrape up just any retard and get them to fix massive oil facilities.

>>65270849
China does have an abundance of human garbage that's really only good for serf-labour, anything more than planting rice, screeching like cats full of cheap beer and lifting boxes is all they're really capable of doing. Professional mining these days is a mix of comms specialists, heavy vehicle operators, chemists, plant mechanics all the way down to laundry and cooks
Where they'd do better is in the lumber industry
There's no fucking safety nets, life is cheap, dumb and missing fingers!

>>65270842
You know they will. Trump is this close to subsidising them

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>>65270859
>Professional mining these days is a mix of comms specialists, heavy vehicle operators, chemists, plant mechanics all the way down to laundry and cooks
Ynr picrel

>>65270849
>>65270859
>Where they'd do better is in the lumber industry
They already do it, i remember watching a documentary about some towns in bumfuck nowhere Siberia and the inhabitants were bitching about the chinese coming down like locust on the trees and leave wasteland behind.
Not that they would have a problem with that if they at least would get paid to do it, but the chinese bring their own people, so they live unemployed in squalor watching the only thing worth anything around them taken from them

>>65270435
Russians are deeply selfish people

>>65270569
>>65270572
>>65270612
Congrats on being successfully
psyopped

>>65270946
>redditor attempts damage control

>>65270952
It really is hard to hate Russian when the people who support Ukraine are such fucking insufferable redditors

>>65270952
>Russian shill (knowing or unknowing) tries to maintain narrative control
Keir Starmer literally made it easier to prosecute grooming gangs by introducing new guidelines on how the CPS handled victims. Before if they had been drinking, taking drugs or waited to report it they were viewed as less credible and the CPS was less likely to take the case to court.
You are shilling a Russian narrative designed to destabilise my country

>>65270946
congrats on your really bad attempt to falseflag, zigger.
western countries can still have problems, nobody's denying that, immigration is definetly an issue, and only partially caused by russia, ultimately not turning mudslimes away after they come here is the main issue.

>>65270952
>>65270956
>Well poisoning intensifies
If they think you hate redditors, they'll say Ukrainians are all redditors.

>>65270944
They sure are selfish, but I don't know if I'd go as far as calling them "people."
Surely there's a better term for such lowly beings.

>>65270956
>>65270960
>>65270961
>Totally organic three attack posts each one exactly a minute apart

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>>65270967
sure nigger.

>>65270961
>western countries can still have problems
Western countries can have problems. The UK has many But something that happened thirty years ago, and that the perpetrators went to jail for 13 years ago isn't the biggest issue a country faces. We've literally had nine public reports into the thing since 2001. The reason it keeps being brought up is precisely BECAUSE it's great propaganda.

>>65270956
>a classic "russia = 4chan. ukraine = reddit. any questions?" out in the wild
a fine vintage

>>65270963
Why did Kier oppose the recent rape gang inquiry?

>>65270973
Reddit is currently parroting the zigger narrative of "we didn't need it anyway" when it comes to Iran's navy and air force. Either that or they claim neither were actually destroyed, also a zigger mindset.

>>65270791
>>65270798
any pics(

>>65270975
We've had nine of them before that. The conclusions are well known and the recommendations have largely been acted upon. What is another one going to tell us that the nine before didn't? He probably opposed because he thought (rightly) it was being motivated by a desire to keep a highly divisive and flammable topic current in public discourse.

>>65270960
>You are shilling a Russian narrative designed to destabilise my country
idk why this is so common, just today i was arguing with a brazilian who just kept arguing a russian propaganda narrative to me. the guy supposedly even hates russia but these people are somehow just so retarded that they buy their propaganda hook line and sinker. i guess they just want to believe the "le both sides" kinda stuff

>>65270977
The zigger mindset is claiming "you" weren't just dogwalked by a Iran because your retards at the top didn't have a plan for how to deal with mines and drones in the Straits of Hormuz and it didn't matter if you destroyed their airforce and army, since you couldn't convince the shipping industry it was safe to go through.

>>65268104
Going out of your way to make even mid-wit milbloggers in Russia terrified of posting anything for fear of A) getting windowed and then raped or B) getting raped and then windowed and then raped, is a pretty clever approach. It might seem petty, but if even these fucking losers are going to think twice about spouting zigger shit then a whole leg of their public disinformation network gets shaken up. AND they get to point and laugh at zigger worshippers.

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>>65270978
nta
I think it was this one, also try not to notice the fact that Ukraine is getting footage out of a Russian naval bases closed circuit television systems

>>65270997
noice

>>65270996
i think you were able to see that, during operation spiderweb, they captured a truck driver (who had no knowledge of the drones) and apparently just executed him on the spot. the ukrainians seem very keen on exploiting the barbaric and impulsive way that russians punish each othe, and they use that as a way to further divide them

>>65270697
the one with the glasses is cute. would cuddle and kiss and hold hands/10.

>>65270985
>dogwalked by iran
i think trump is a retard for starting the iran kerfuffle, but you have to be literal brownoid-tier deluded to think iran "dogwalked" anything.
they got a few hits in, and got absolutely devastated in return
>y-yeah b-but t-they don't care that they're getting buttfucked

not my problem, i'm not an american or a mudslime, having a cult that doesn't care about getting rekt doesn't mean you didn't get rekt.
>couldn't convince the shipping industry it was safe to go through
this is the crux of the issue for the US, but then retards like you just actively make it difficult to talk about this because you just go out of your way to use doublespeak to try and insinuate that the actual US military itself is on the backfoot in any way.