What will the Ukraine war look like in 2040? Everyone's talking about preparing budgets with it expecting to go into the 30s.Prediction: drones were a fad.
>>65265503Idk are ziggers still gonna be around?
>>65265503>Prediction: drones were a fad.This is a "rapid cycle firearms for a soldier won't catch on because no one will be able to supply that many bullets" tier take.
By that point they're probably using AI guided drones both on land and air
>>65265503>What will the Ukraine war look like in 2040?Long over. Internecine russian warlord micro-conflicts will be the new hotness.
>>65265503this shit is ending by September 2027 at the latest, since that's as long russia can stave off economic collapse.
phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range.Unironically terminators to make up for manpower shortages. Ukraine bullies warlords after Russia falls apart and becomes the new European powerhouse arms dealer. Would actually solo the United States in a defensive action.
>>65265571a tracked ATV sized diesel vehicle mostly able to withstand small arms and drones set to sally forth and hose down any man shaped targets with 5.56 would be pretty dope. Obviously put some comms equipment on it but just being able to move around a bit capping ziggers would be pretty useful as long as you keep the cost down.
>>65265579People have been saying this for 3 years now
>>65265579I don't think Pootz can even that long. As soon as he's gone what's left of the oligarchy will tear itself to shreds and the country will freeze/starve as is tradition for Russians.
>>65265585They've played every trick they could and now the economy is grinding to a halt due to fuel shortages
>>65265571Ukraine has AI assisted interceptor drones
>>65265594I don't understand how Putin maintains power. He's hidden in a bunker somewhere, so if some general says he's in charge now, how would Putin stop him?
>>65265585Yes, and now Russia is being strategic bombed daily with all of their refineries on fucking fire. Fuel shortages everywhere, horrifying economic portents, and donkeys on the front line.Basically every prediction anybody ever made was correct.It's just that Russians are subhuman serf vermin, and they'll keep self-genociding far past the point when any civilized race would have hanged their leader and pulled out of the war.By this point, the survival of the RF is no longer in question. All that's left to determine is how many millions or tens of millions will starve/die of exposure/be killed by bandits/be killed in the civil war/die from lack of medicine when Russia collapses.
>>65265603complete control of the media and making criticizing or talking about Putins failures illegal is a helluva combination
>>65265585and their stock market ain't doing too hot
>>65265605Also the notorious Carnivorous Windows of Moscow and St Petersburg.
>>65265598>>65265604>>65265609Russia's economy and military will slow down, but there's no 'big crash' where everything just falls apart, things will just get a little worse every day.
>>65265609Coming off that war economy pump is going to make a zigga dope sick
>>65265604Fool. No drone will now make it to Moscow
>>65265628I would agree if it wasn't for the fuel situation. People aren't going to be able to get to work. Last mile shipping won't be able to get goods to stores for people to buy. They could reallocate fuel for the military and send it to civilians, but Russia is doing the opposite
mass mobilization is being prep pretty hard right now.if they crimean situation doesn't improve soon you can bet they are going to do it.
>>65265634Neat. How much ammo do you think they have? I guess we'll find out soon enough. Are the Ukies droning Moscow every day or are they using the same "build up a swarm" method as the Russians?
Maybe they will finally take Kostyantynivka ?
>>65265641>if they crimean situation doesn't improve soon you can bet they are going to do it.If the fuel situation doesn't improve soon it won't matter. The Russian logistics network was already creaking at the seams keeping the forces they had in-theater supplied.
>>65265651lol no, putin knows russian history, and he knows what happened to the tsar in 1917. he will never start a mass mobilization, unless he intends to not give the russians any weapons.
>>65265651True, but they have enough fuel to bus a bunch of mobniks in marching distance to the front line and to have them reenact chinese korean war era human wave assaults completely on foot with no vehicles at all
>>65265634assuming that headline isn't fake/misleading, they REALLY don't want the muscovites to realize just how fucked they really are, huh?
>>65265651yes but with 5M more dudes you can make giant human chains to pass shit along from back to front.russians are very good at that.
>>65265662meant to >>65265641
>>65265603He maintains the best kind of loyalty, where all of his inner circle (and a big part of the outer circle too) knows that a future without Putin looks bleaker to them
>>65265662That's what they currently do. The meatwave troops are escorted to the grey zone by loyal troops at which point they're given ammo and sent off to die.
>>65265603west changes leaders because they're awful. putin keeps trucking because unironically is popular.
>>65265664cumrade, there is no drone strike because the air raid sirens are silent
>>65265674not for long
>>65265634Just a thought here, but couldn't they possibly divert a couple of the AD systems that are being used to defend Putin's palaces?
>>65265677I bet Putin thinks that the second he has the AD at his palaces moved to actually important places, the ukies will hit his palaces to humiliate him
>>65265662Lose the war>get aaccck!Mobilise for war>get aaaccck!>>65265677Um, maybe leave that in the anonymous complaints box
The entire country is mindraped but they cannot fight past 2030 without running out of men.At the same time I doubt there will be a cataclysmic end to the war. There are no breakthroughs. Russia will not win, they'll just lose slowly enough to completely ruin themselves and Ukraine in the economic sense.Russia may have to make a gradual withdrawal at some point to deal with domestic issues. Until then, more dead ziggers.>>65265676>+22% net approvalPootin is FINISHED
>>65265711>they cannot fight past 2030 without running out of men.that's where you're wrong
>>65265717>da, Nigeria with Snow, we lower recruitment age to 12!>Just like real Africa
>>65265603there's like 5 putin doubles so noones sure who the real putin is
>>65265598Remember when the Russian economy ground to a halt 3 years ago due to a shortage of bearings for their rail cars?
>>65265645>Are the Ukies droning Moscow every day or are they using the same "build up a swarm" method as the Russians?They're using the "built up a swarm" method. Except that it only takes them a day to build a swarm big enough to overwhelm Moscow's defenses.
>>65265665>red shortsWould.
>>65265687>the ukies will hit his palaces to humiliate himhow can he be humiliated if nobody ever tells him?
>>65265717They'd better start making babies! NOW! >ALL RUSSIAN WOMEN, ON YOUR BACK AND SPREAD YOUR LEGS!!>CZAR PUTIN HAS PROCLAIMED IT!
>>65265717You know those college age students that they're having trained to be drone operators? Well those are now being sent into Frontline assaults >>65265750
>>65265598>They've played every trick they couldThey haven't.I expected Russia to give up when their sovereign fund ran dry, because that would have been the rational thing to do with at least some consideration given to Russia's future.But then they also wasted their gold reserve for naught, turning the prospect of post-war economical recovery into a nightmare.It's clear that Putin will nott stop before there's nothing left of Russia. The next source of funding is going to be oligarch's pockets, draining the remaining privately owned assets from the russian people.
>>65265664It's not fake, you've seen all the drone strike videos with audio. No sirens to be heard.
>>65265783The man with the camera fails and gets assigned to assault corps, the man with the SD card picks up the camera and continues filmingI would also like to see Russia fielding multiple-amputees, losing 3 limbs shouldn't exclude you from front line service
>What will the Ukraine war look like in 2040?The frontline is at the Urals. Russian capital is in Omsk. Ukie strikes reach Vladivostok, terrorizing the Pacific Fleet. Russians and their shills coping that they haven't even started fighting and soon russia will take the glows off. Still no T-14 in sight.
>>65265837They literally look fine.
>>65265844Exactly, two hands, can hop along, just fine
>>65265603>I don't understand how Putin maintains power.It's a personalistic mafia regime based on a repressive spook organization
>>65265843The ass is truly in the ass
>>65265571>AI guidedI'm so fucking tired of the buzzwords and constant reinvention of decades old concepts by droneniggers. Call it fire and forget like a non retard.
>>65265847Protip, hopping if faster than walking. Put me in charge of the Russian army, and I will insist upon hopping assault waves!
>>65265628>Russia's economy and military will slow down, but there's no 'big crash'It would've slowed down if it was allowed a few years ago, but the regime instead pulled out all the stops on one hand and propped up shit on the other, as to make things look okay. This crap can't "slow down", it's a catastrophe which will just speed up, culminating in a collapse like a spring which gave out after being overloaded too much. Look at the main indicators of the economy which you can observe:- liquid reserve funds pretty much gone;- central bank prints trillions to pump into the banking system, so that banks can be forced to by government bonds;- budget deficit is big and way bigger than expected;- no normal outside financing is accessible;- main moneymakers like oil and gas have lost their best markets and are under attack;- all of the best modern domestic companies like VK are posting fucked up losses, despite being very profitable before;- one of the largest cornerstones of domestic economy (housing developments, picrel) are fucked, and whole other segments are tied into it, from banking to metallurgy, cements (getting fucked) and so on;- domestic cars and trucks are fucked (kamaz posting fucked up losses, moving to 4 day work week);- parliament passed a special law to allow even more debts and money printing;
>>65265878It also halves the number of steps, therefore halving the chance of your infantry stepping on a land mine. Genius!
>>65265878Skipping could be brought in for logistics mobiks
>>65265674The Russian people remember him as the man who ended the bad old days of the 90s. Essentially, he got the country back from third world status to second world. They don't know what first world status is like and I don't think they care to find out.
>>65265662>unless he intends to not give the russians any weapons.Picrel is a frame from a RU movie about WW2. People are sent into attack with only wooden shovel handles.
>>65265897The wealthy do, that's why they send their kids to university and colleges in the UK and USA
>>65265859ukie society is overall very conservative, it's just not the retarded US brand of conservatism with identity politics and such
>>65265897>The Russian people remember him as the man who ended the bad old days of the 90sOnly because they are retarded. a) the "bad days of the 90s" are an overblown myth in many ways;b) most of the results were done by "faggot reformers" during the 90s, it's just that the results kicked in only by lare 90s;c) the rest of the results were tied to the US invasion of Iraq and subsequent decade of oil market rally;
>>65265503>2040Russia, long united, must divide. Russia will go into their Warlords Era. China will "rescue" Xiboliya and Mongolia and place them under its protection. Finland and Japan will reclaim their lost territories. Even the Norks will take some of Russia's Pacific coast, particularly Vladivostok. Ironically, Belarus will be New Russia after Potatocolonel gives up his throne to the fleeing Putin. Moscow becomes a Free City while the other Western parts of Russia fractures into Warlord regions with petty kings and presidents. The EU swoops in and confiscates what is left of Russia's nukes, though Putin took a few with him to New Russia. Audaciously, the US President Jayaratnam Gomez-Cheng invaded the Russian Diomedes island and the Chukotka coast as a preventive measure against cross border terrorism.
>>65265859>>65265930It won't matter after the war is over, anon. Ukraine will be a democracy, and they'll see all those gays and women that left or protested instead of fighting for their country, and they won't give them an inch.
>>65265843>implying there will be a pacific fleet in 2040
>>65265973Again, that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what propaganda Ukraine sells to gullible liberals, the soldiers on the field can SEE the truth.
>>65265973The usual bad-actor, Russian projection shit.The Russians will be replaced by Jeets, Chinks and Nogs and have been for some time
>All the ousted dictators residing in Moscow, now including Putin, have to share an apartment in Pyongyang and pool their money to pay landlady Kim Ju Ae
>>65265987There aren't that many dead Ukrainian soldiers.
>>65266002We're in a funny place of back in the old days of the cold war we used to get hit with->And you are lynching Negroes!All to now seeing Russians attaching bomb vest to Negros, at some point I expect to hear>You're droning the negroes with the bomb vests we gave them!Its a constantly writhing snake of trying to extract what you want to hear and give you that like exact response that will either elicit shame, sympathy or understanding. The understanding Russia needs to absorb is that they will be made extinct and their memory will be a footnote
>>65266012Traitors should have been sent to Africa on the same boats as the niggers.
>>65266018Russia ruined that by invading
>>65266026Even the worst estimates puts Ukrainian dead at about 100,000, while millions have served.
>>65265503>Prediction: drones were a fad.Aerial drones are sort of a fad since they can theoretically be countered pretty easily, but they'll retain great (but diminished) utility and won't disappear completely. Ground robots/UGVs will proliferate since they can augment or directly replace a lot of ground units and hardware with tradeoffs that aren't too bad, while also not having anywhere near the vulnerability of FPVs.
>>65265990Fucking kill yourself you miserable sack of shit.
>>65265717This is really sad.
>>65265603Putin uses the hitler strat of playing all the oligarchs off against each otherIf they worked together they could absolutely coup him but everyone assumes everyone else is going to sell them out to Putin the moment they try to organiseThe myth of putins popularity is especially important down at the lower levels of society, the one consistent message of internal russian propaganda is that everyone except you specifically loves and supports putin, so any attempt at resistance is futile
>>65265503Ukraine will be the least of their problems. I can't wait to see Russia devolve into Mad Max: Blyat Warriors as the country balkanizes.
>>65265503If it's still going by then it'll be just another part of WW3.
>>65266199The only negotiations the Russians were willing to accept was their preemptive surrender or disarming themselves so Russia could invade anyway. So they were going to lose their ability to play both Russia and the EU no matter what.
>>65265503>What will the Ukraine war look like in 2040?TZD
>>65265503russia isn't going to last much longer against ukraine's strategic strike campaign
>>65265777Faggot
damn, they're going hard on fuel/supply trucks
>>65266237The third missile looks like a dud.
>>65265585it's unironically over
>>65265579Man, I remember people predicting Russia's economic collapse by June '22.Good times.
>>65266283I think most of the explosion was just obscured by the dust.
>Ukraine will lose in two weeks tops if Russia invades>Ukraine will lose in two months, is purely thanks to HATO mercenaries they haven't lost already>Ukraine will lose soon, they are out of men>Ukraine will lose in two years, it is only taking this long because tsar holding back the REAL army>Ukraine will lose soon, they are literally out of men>Ukraine will lose any day now, le orange man was elected>Ukraine will lose soon, they are literally out of men, (but for real this time honest)>Ukraine will be forced to negotiate, no this is not humiliating to need negotiation to claim a victory>Ukraine will lose soon because... Because they just will, ok?>Ukraine... MIGHT win. But hahaha! They will be globohomo'd if they do! Unlike based and trad Russia, where there would NEVER be dirty evil homosex or child prostitution. <YOU ARE HERE>Ukraine won. But Russia hasn't collapsed even though we were fighting literally all of NATO and the West combined!!!! So, really, Russia is strong.>Ukraine won, and Russia collapsed. But we only balkanized into 30 nations instead of 40+ and only 2,000,000 people died in the process, so really, yep Russia won. We didn't want to be a unified nation anyways.
>>65265585Idiots don't understand just how long it takes a country as big as Russia to collapse, even now it'll be at least another 2 years.
>>65265859Who gives a shit. I'd rather have a gay neighbor than a russian neighbor any day of the week
>>65266320And Russians are like 10 times as gay and feminized as Ukraine anyways
>>65266320>I'd rather have a gay neighbor than a gay neighbor who's also a HIV+ drunken rapist with delusions of grandeur You don't say
>>65266320We now you would you fag
>>65265717Well looks like the metro novel is becoming reality
>kerch's power plant just for smokedOH NO NO NO NO NO
>>65265859Who gives a shit?
>>65265603Monke is head of the soloviki-mafia syndicate that has gobbled up all of the real power and assets in muscovia. KGB, FSO, the actual russian mafia rosgvardia etc. For example, last one is over half a million strong, deliberately kept out of the war replenished and only domestic unit allowed to yield tanks. All sorts of wishful thinking about some no name generals or lowly cowardly oligarchs taking power is pure western fantasy. Stemming from a shallowing understanding of the muscovites tyranny. Any monke successor will come from the same KGB (NKVD) or related internal security branch. They might use his corpse to scapegoat the botched invasion, but their internal power must remain absolute for their own survival
>>65265503>in 2040Neither side's economy can survive another year or two, let alone a decade and a half.
>>65266292>Ukraine won, and Russia collapsed. But we only balkanized into 30 nations instead of 40+ and only 2,000,000 people died in the process, so really, yep Russia won. We didn't want to be a unified nation anyways.Total neonovgorod victory
>>65265837>I would also like to see Russia fielding multiple-amputees, losing 3 limbs shouldn't exclude you from front line serviceThey should do like the Imperium and use them as the terminal guidance unit in their TBMs.
>>65266343Have you been living under a rick or something? They burned Moscow earlier this week
>>65266346Euros will foot the bill for ukraine side. US may or may not foot the one for russia
>>65266346Ukies are funded for the next half decade thanks to that 90 billion in frozen russian asset backed loans they got
>>65266046>whites as possible from genocide in South Africa.Still hanging out by the mailbox for your DOGE Cheque?All that shit coming out of Musk and Trump's cock holsters is complete garbage aimed to incite fear and if you know enough South Africans like I do, they'll tell you straight up the country is fucked, but they aren't being hunted like wild animals or having their land stolen. No one is helping white Saffas, much less the selfish shit cunt Russians and the Americans as a general rule can't even point to it on a map because most of them think Africa is a country slaves came from.>>65266261The next trick is to hide the transport truck under a square cover as another type of transport truck!>Its not a very good trick>All trucks on occupied territory are targets
>>65266356>US may or may not foot the one for russiaIt speaks for the world we live in that such statement is no longer trolling.
>>65265579Sadly no. Putin can't end it at this point. His plan is to wait it out until Reform UK and AfD stop support and than grind a lirtle longer.And honestly it might work out given the state of circumstances. There's a very realy possibilty that Germany, France and UK all elect goverments that are not interested in Ukraine support at best, openly advocating for Russia at worst.
Man the bait being posted ITT is some vintage 2022/3 era shit.
>>65266358>90 billion in frozen russian assetShills keep peddling this line despite the fact euro bureaucrats already being vocal about the fact that they are untouchable because it would be bad for business and muh economy if foreign oligarchs quit flowing in embezzled money into the eurozoneThey are frozen alright
What's up with all the ziggies ITT bringing back: Russia is trad, Ukriane is globoho shit? Haven't seen this for a while.
>>65266374>once RN takes power in france Ukraine in finished>once trump rules in America Ukraine is finished>once orban sweeps election in Hungary ukraine and EU are finished>once afd controls germany Ukraine is finished>once farage sits on the throne ukraine is finished
Oh it’s turning into a bait thread
>>65265968>God Pedo>Betrays Ukraine>Helps to fund Russia's war of aggression>Putin is somehow losing the war even worseGod has spoken, he wants Russia to lose.
>>65266382EU doesn't live off money embezzled by Russian oligarchs. Besides these funds are not owned by oligarchs as you implied but by the Puccian state or state owned companies. Also that money could be easily put to a good use if it wasn't for the usual fifth columnist in the EU blocking it.And finally, fuck off and die you well-poisoning weasel. That's all.
>>65265968>Jayaratnam Gomez-ChengThis is happening whether you like it or not.And Russia will become mudslime nuclear power long before EU does so your worries in that regard are void.
>>65266399Yeah yeah. You could've made that point in January 2022. Maybe. Not after four years when we could witness the sheer amount of depravity and godless behaviour commitet by Churkistan on a daily basis.
>>65266399>shill never bothered updating his script
>>65266389No it's not that single of these occurences will lead to the bad outcome for Ukraine. But several of them happening at the same time, that's a problem. And that problem became more and more probabble as the time goes on.And before you accuse me of being a zigger these >>65266398 >>65266408 posts are mine as well.
>>65266383Overflow error, they reached the end of the list of shill topics and just looped right back around to the first one
>>65266343Go back to bed, Vladimir. Everything is fine.
>>65266343>leningradIt hasn't been called that in 35 years you dopey retard
>>6526628>>65265585To be fair Russia’s economy HAS collapsed and its skeleton has just been propped up by debt spending in the MIC. But if you talk to any Russians (I do) shit’s bad bad. And it’s only getting worse now that the fuel shortage is happening, because that can’t be delayed with deficit spending. The economy is going to go from collapsed to imploded if they can’t get a stable fuel supply secured but that would require finding a way to stop Ukrainian drone attacks.
>>65266456>that would require finding a way to stop Ukrainian drone attacks.I have an idea, but Putin won't like it.
>>65266249You got a problem with girls, boy?
>>65266456I've heard one russian refer to it as eating prisoned food.the poison will kill you in a year if you don't eat you starve In a week so you keep gulping down the poison
>>65266463Meanwhile there's a fucking buffet of non-poisoned food right there and the only condition to access it is to stop trying to beat up the guy at the table.
>>65266465but that would turn you into a bitchno are not a lowly western gay cockrel are you?
>>65265799>take 10 trillion rubles from russian oligarchs and regular people>use that 10 trillion rubles to pay your MIC, soldiers, and other stuff for the war effort>that 10 trillion rubles goes back to oligarchs and regular citizens in the form of contract payments and wagesI'm no economist, but how does that fix the situation?
>>65266478>that 10 trillion rubles goes back to oligarchs and regular citizens in the form of contract payments and wagesNo Igor, listen carefullyThe Oligarch goes to gulag or has eternal flight out of window, we stick some squillions in our bank accounts and use the rest to prop up the war.Because its the war, damn it and everyone must do their part!
>>65266209Ukraine has already begun the process of joining the EU, they just need to win the war to proceed
How many casualties will Russia take by the end of the war?
>>65265538If this Ukraine shit ends up lasting longer than WW2, Russia will never live it down.
>>65266453The oblast surrounding the federal city Petersburg is still called Leningrad.
>>65266478The problem is productivity. Money poured into war does not create goods to be sold on the market, it produces dead ziggers and missiles that end up exploding somewhere. The value basically just flows out of the system, leading to further inflation.
>>65266478Nothing of real value would be returning to the people in some wacky looney-tunes loop, it would be destroyed in the war.Essentially, using up the sovereign wealth fund was the bear wasting all the fat stored in its body without any regard for coming financial winters. Now the bear is starving and it's body is starting to eat its internal organs.
>>65266488Its already gone on longer than the great patriotic war
>>65266487One Russia
>>65266486>Ukraine has already begun the process of joining the EUThey're a 'candidate' but this is fairly unlikely to go anywhere, especially once the war is over, hence why Ukraine isn't really bothering with not pissing off Poland, they know the arms shipments will arrive anyways and they're not really trying to get into the EU itself anymore.
>>65266478It doesn't because the outputs are destroyed and killed instead of used to grow economy. Classic broken window idea.
The funny thing is people have been predicting this economic and military collapse for a while. We saw the writing on the wall with the attrition rates but ziggers would make fun of it. We are witnessing the result of years long unfavorable attrition coming to a head
People compare this war to Afghanistan or the first World War, but to me it reminds me more of the Russo-Japanese war of 1905. A pointless prestige war against a supposedly powerless opponent, where they lose their entire fleet, that pulls the Russians into a quagmire that ultimately leads to absolutism turning into a (pseudo) constitutional monarchy.
>>65266237>they used the long range version of the STORM SHADOW on russian soilred line sisters?
>>65266528perfidious albion shall understand the eggs in the ass
>>65265570I actually agree, to an extent.Right now what we're seeing is a combination of Russian AA incompetence and drones being able to play in a space formerly reserved for jet aircraft and attack helicopters, which required different kinds of AA to defend against (but not the kinds that are good against drones).Just look at the manpad defense of Moscow recently. If those were fighting helicopters, it wouldn't have been as much of a shitshow. But against drones, the manpads are a hazard to their surroundings more than anything.But in 2040, drones will be a relatively solved problem, have their niche on the battlefield, and we won't see this absurd no-man's-land drone warfare anymore - just like WW2 wasn't a repeat of WW1 tactics.
>>65266199russia's goal is to add ukraine to their territories that they extract labor and resources from, and with some added russification and genocide for fun. that's the only thing they would negotiate for. if ukraine did not agree to those terms then russia would try to make a deal that makes an invasion easier and then invade regardless. anyway not that replying to you matters. in my experience there are exactly 2 types of people who think ukraine should make a "deal", 1) clueless fucktards 2) russian nationals, especially those living in other countries. the first group changes their mind when you show them all the deals russia broke when it suited them, and cite enough instances of russian barbarism to turn them into moderates. or they just become quiet or confused because they can't comprehend it (boomers). the 2nd group will dodge the subject, run through the typical propaganda narratives like "ukraine/EU also bad though??", and will generally talk as if russia had no choice but to invade. very few of these people seem to admit to being ruscist and will instead pretend to be on ukraine's side. i think they actively get off on lying over their allegiances and repeating false narratives. funny enough the 1 thing that makes them lose the mask and call you a goytranny is when you also take a bad faith stance and insult russia in subversive ways that they can't address without speaking candidly.>>65266506to be fair there is some truth to the western world overestimating how easily russia would collapse. it just comes from a deeply western viewpoint that when quality of life drops below x amount, then people will protest, vote and get new leaders. but that shit just doesn't happen in russia because it's closer to north korea or nazi germany than it is to france. they just suffer greater and greater degradation of quality of life. i would expect russia to suffer starvation sooner than a change in leadership
>>65266284She looks IndianAlso ffs, it's a diesel. Just pour some sunflower oil in and your good to go, sure you might need to overhaul some components afterwards but it'll get you home.
>>65266546>get caught pouring sunflower oil into gas tank>get arrested for being a Ukranian spy
>>65266534>screeching about muh perfidious AlbionsGod's I love being British. Every day I remind myself that just by existing I am making ziggers seethe uncontrollably and impotently. It brings a smile to my face.
>>65265603>if some general says he's in charge now, how would Putin stop him?Threatening their immediate family, like with Prig's meltdown.A general with a loyal unit, no one to hold hostage and the means to storm Moscow would literally go unchallenged. Unfortunately in Russia such specimens do not exist.
>>65265503Drones really did buckbreak this board
>>65265628Obligatory Big Ernie sign tapping
>>65266559>Unfortunately in Russia such specimens do not exist.And by design.
>>65266582Fuck off vatnik.
>>65266582realistically russia would just spread its own homosexuality to ukraine. russia's homosexuality issue was so bad that they had to make it illegal to stop their people from promoting it
>>65266582Ukraine subsidises Russia, not the other way around. Not holding onto most of it during the breakup of the USSR was Russia's biggest mistake and what Monke is trying to correct. The structure of Russia is that of an empire in the classical sense. Moscow and the surrounding region represent an Imperial core to which all wealth must flow. The entire east is one big wasteland that exists only to feed the capital. Ukraine and the other borderlands of the Iron Curtain were an attempt to turn the classical Empire of grain and ore into a modern Empire of people and industry but they couldn't sustain it.
>>65266582>russian and ukrainian culture are essentially the same and ukrainians speak russian anyway
>if you fell for the "russia is going to genocide ukraine" narrative then you're a massive retard.>please ignore the Mariupol theater, the civvies in mass graves in Bucha with their hands tied and bullets in their skulls, the footage of BTRs lighting up civvy vehicles on day 1, the dash cam footage of the old man and his dog bleeding out after his car got lit up.>Please ignore the baby rapist, the recordings of RU soldiers wives telling them to rape civvies but make sure it use a condom, the castration video.>Please ignore the weekly attacks on random apartment buildings, the double tap strikes on childrens cancer wards, the shelling of the Mariupol maternity hospital>Please ignore the destruction of the dams on the Dneiper, strikes on nuclear power plants, "Europe will freeze and you will have to eat hamsters)))", the weekly nook ook threats, "We will sink bongland with a nuclear tsunami".>it's all overblown and you are overreacting
>>65266608to be honest i only posted that to determine whether you are a zigger or a magatard. your deranged, wishy-washy rhetoric with an interrogation at the end points to the first. thanks for posting with us
>>65266582I hope for your sake that you are a troll
>>65266614>neither Russia nor Ukraine are subsidizing each other currentlybased retard
>>65266453latest cope that this is pure AI, as it weights 150 tons
>>65266608you forgot thecountry A has universal male conscription and as much as 1/4 conscription experience sexual assault during conscription country B has universal male conscription and doesn't have hide spread systematic sexual assaultin what country ate you most likely to end up with a cocktail in you ass or mouth as a man
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>>65266478>seizing private assets to keep the war goingThis isn't an economic poison pill as much as putting a shotgun in your economy's mouth (or ass, this is russia we're talking about) and pulling the trigger.
>>65266623i think hes trying to say that ukraine should also make homosexuality illegal to curb the HIV epidemic that will ensue when russia takes over
>>65266600With the way Russian suicide rates are, I think you'll go first.
>>65266630>how it startedKIEV IN 3 DAYS!!1>how its goingdont worry it's not 1990s yet
>thread about russian embarrassment>seething browns during ru/indian hoursFucking pottery man.
>>65266643>fanfictionI'm gay and phoneposting, can some other annon do the honors of sharing with our good fried the joyous news and PROOOFS!!! of russian military rape culture
>>65266090>>65265856doesn't this mean that putin Dying would plunge russia into chaos immediately ?
>>65266630>no better or worse than the previous summerhuh?
>>65266628ftr the only admission of defeat you'll ever get out of a russian shill is when they can't think of a real response and call you a faggot/tranny/goy
>>65266600>self ownNot him and not a win.
>>65266608Russians love faggotry and it's inherently one of the pillars of their culture. What they hate and what is banned is openly promoting consensual faggotry. For Russians, gay sex is only gay if both participants consent. If it's a power play, it's one of the main ways they define the pecking order and very prevalent. Remember that faggots don't disappear if you ban it, they just repress it or express it differently. In Russia they express it by raping straight men.It's yet again a case of you retards being too fucking stupid to realize that Russians give their own meanings to words.
no wonder the zigs are screeching extra loud today
>step 1: sell your oil to china at a steep discount>step 2: get your refineries BTFO >step 3: buy your refined from china at above market prices>step 4: ???????>step 5: profit
>>65266535>the manpads are a hazard to their surroundings more than anythingDude watch the videos. The operators of the manpads are chechens with thick accents. They sound drunk and seem incompetent, and in not one of the videos does an operator superelevate the launcher before firing. With the result the missile flies low. Couple that to Russian quality of seeker heads being GARBAGE and you have situations like that.Properly trained western soldiers with Stingers would have dropped every single drone they saw.Do not allow Russian incompetence to influence your perception over weapon system viability. Almost all the data points of this war colored by that and how the fuck do you adjust for the Russian bullshit coefficient?
>>65266663i cant quite parse it but i think hes saying that country A is the HIV capital of the world and the reasons for it need to be studied
>>65266662
>>65265634So you're saying there's an open hunting season on the frontline?
>>65266670at this point US is the lil bro playing along with an unplugged controller
>>65266662>believes thathopium>secured trump's backingfor maybe about 15 minutes before he forgets or changes his mind
>>65266659what inspires you to invent and publish headcanon about faggotry in russia?
>>65266679Trust me, the US will save Russia from catastrophic collapse at the last moment. That's what they've always done. One orange retard is not gonna change that.
>>65266666Big If true.
>>65266666quints of truth
>>65266554The concept of the Commonwealth must scare and confuse them. There's no way an empire willingly turned itself into a set of independent, associated states with genuine complete autonomy from each other.It must be another of the Anglo's dirty tricks.Then again the Anglosphere is probably what they wish they had, a group of tightly related countries by history and culture choosing to associate with each other, though I don't think the 'free' part of the association would make sense to them.
>>65266666Quints don't lie mega ultra Satan.>verification status?>not required
>>65266722i think they view it all the same way they do with other international relations, as those countries all secretly trying to subvert and vassalize each other. that's the only thing they seem to understand and practice themselves, so they project it outward
>>65266651To be fairy that third paragraph screams "made up" to me, but overall I do think Putin keeling over will have all hell break loose in Russia. There is no real successor, and all loyalty is based around coercion.
If I'm Putin I'm pivoting to Latvia way before 2040 for an easier win. Latvia has a population under 3 million, the majority of which are women. They're entirely reliant on NATO defense and have their eastern border pincered by Russia and Belarus. The entire war would be dependent on how long their women are willing to withhold from voting to cede land on that eastern flank to Russia, which is a vote of confidence in NATO's ability to defend them. The last time drones fell on Latvia, they overthrew their government. I would pivot from Ukraine's all out warfare to a drone campaign on west Latvia, while trying to sneak my guys into villages on the eastern flank. If they get caught, run back across the border and say it was an accident and not Article 5 worthy. Every drone launched is another expensive interceptor for NATO or another hour of circling the F-35s. What's worse is that every failure to intercept, every drone that reaches Riga inflicts a literal and morale blow on their capital like the one that caused their government to fail. NATO has to bet that the women of Latvia who refuse to birth children would be willing to indefinitely live under drone attacks, which would disrupt their daily comfortable lives, otherwise they have no democratic recourse that stops Latvia from being able to vote for the war to end on terms that benefit Russia, i.e. ceding land on the Russian/Belarusian border where actually there is a "Russian-speaking minority" who had a "real vote" to rejoin Russia anyway. Basically you can swap the Ukraine war for Ukraine-lite where you don't send meatwaves, the population is 1/30th the size, the country is thousands of kilometers smaller, and its people don't give a shit enough about their identity as 'Latvians' to even birth Latvian children, much less defend itself. And when you win because NATO sat on its hands and refused to invade Russia directly, you can say you beat NATO, it's a paper tiger, mother russia restored etc.
>>65266662>>65266670Trump has no cards, since cutting aid and lifting sanctions on Russia the only options he has left are hurting the MIC by not allowing the EU and Ukraine to buy from the US or actively giving aid to Russia.He took over a superpower and within a 18 months of being surrounded by yes men turned it into a joke.
>>65265837You see Viktor, if replace foot blown off with wheel from Lada, now can being of scooter brigade. Smekalka!
>>65266662Ukraine doesn't need America's backing to do anything, since the relationship is transactional now the USA has no leverage on the amount of pain Ukraine feels like inflicting upon the russia
>>65266738Putin is 80 years old man. He'll be dead long before then.>long winded seething zigger rantEvery accusation a confession.
>>65266554I'm not even English but any chance I can get to talk some mad shit about the UK's weapon systems, longbows, silly tanks, guns, wooden naval ships, NLAW or any of that kind of stuff- I'll fucking do it because the squeeze is always worth the juice.Like, you will get seething thirdies with that milk all the time. They cannot help it
>>65266746So you cede a Latvia/NATO loss pre-emptively, got it. Bet on the next Russian president (lol) giving up on retaking the former USSR land, and rejoining the west and the global economy, see how well it works out for you.
>>65266756>Russia's "unfriendly countries" is literally just "civilization"wew
>>65266761>if it drinks from the faucet it hates us
>>65265987>Dead people can't see the truthWrong. Dead people CAN see the truth and their horror is realizing it when they are unable to act upon it.
are you ready for mass mob shit show?
the noose tightens
>>65266738>not Article 5 worthyWhat makes you think Russia directly attacking a NATO country isn't going to get Article 5 invoked? The "we're not touching you" fuck-fuck games stop working once you're launching explosives at them whether there's boots over the border or not.
>>65266763>Greece>Safe drinking waterIt is heavily fucking dependent on the island, actually. Also, Tristan de Cuhna has safe tap water? Interesting.
take a stick and get in line
it begins
>>65266738all this armchair general shit over latvia. what would be the point of annexing latvia anyway? as you said its a 3 million people state and there's nothing important there for russia. oh wait, that doesn't matter because it's all to just recover face after getting btfo so hard in ukraine, no matter the cost
>>65266775I'd rather be in the punishment barrel
>>65266769By way of it already happened and NATO didn't do shit? You can launch as many drones as you want and they can even land in an apartment building in a NATO state like Romania and westoids won't do shit. NATO is comfortable to sit on its hands where possible, which evidently extends to repeated drone incursions. Article 5 doesn't get triggered because of a simple border dispute, my friend, our plainclothes Russian-speaking man in the eastern village of Latvia is simply a part of the local minority that wants to rejoin mother Russia. If you can find evidence he's a Russian soldier, we'll withdraw him and we can go back to peace (unless you want to start WW3 over a 'simple mistake') which NATO has far more appetite for, since it allows them to continue to maintain the status quo of doing nothing unpopular like starting a war they'd be directly involved in.
>>65266769Nta but 'Article 5' is not 'you enact it and immediately everybody mobilizes their full army and attack + moves to Moscow'. Article 5 specifically says that military action is the 'up to' part. As in, it is the final and ultimate potentially response. Therefore Article 5 can be, anything. It can be sending equipment to help protect borders, sending advisors, medical supplies, taking in refugees or just thoughts and prayers. There is no mechanism for actual full moblization and full attack on the aggressor. This is why Putin calls it 'just words on paper'. Because you can bet your ass the Germans won't want to do anything military related. If it was now (not 2040) Trump wouldn't either.
>>65266778>Noodle arm fights!Man, if it really blows out in Russia we can bring back Bumfights
>>65266756Why Greece? Aren't they supposed to be orthodox brothers or something?
>>65266780Literally yes it is an easy, face-saving measure which they need after fucking up Ukraine, and on PAPER they can say they beat NATO. The real damage comes from NATO recognizing it just fucked up and wasn't able to or didn't enforce Article 5, which jeopardizes the whole alliance most likely. Also you can say you restored glorious russia by picking up former soviet land.
>>65266775>you get to be a buckbreaker!>and you get to be a buckbreaker!>everyone gets to decibroom your cumrag!If they applied one-tenth of the creativity they use for torture to warfare, they'd be in Berlin by now.
>>65266782>punishmentthat's training, not punishment.did you forget that russians venerate pipes?
>>65266780What do you mean what would the point being? The guy is retarded thinking it would just be Latvia. Putin would take the entire Baltic states. Or would like to. It is actually what I thought he was going to do. Attack the Baltic states, easily sweep through the forces there, set up so many AD assets that no European nation wants to risk shoot downs, so it becomes 'too risky' to retake without air power and so everybody just goes to sanctions while Russia just builds up its defences.>But whyWell Russia has for many years claimed the Baltic states aren't real states, have no real culture, are Russian really and everything they do is Russian. But is also full of Russophobe Nazi Trannies so they need to be stopped in case they infect glorious Russia. So they would like to say they defeated these people. But the main reason is it would restore the land bridge to Kaliningrad which it really wants.
>>65266792>easyI don't think that testing an alliance after you've given it 4 years of very good reasons to galvanize and arm itself against you would be very easy. A few "stray" drones from an active combat zone elsewhere is one thing, straight up sending continued drone/missile waves at them is another, and that's all while NATO is going to be at it's most wary of Russia's antics.
>>65266802My man, NATO has covered up several actual incidents to prevent having to active Article 5. From Drones actually targeting shit in Poland (if you speak to the locals they say it isn't 'wayward drones' but targeted attacks) to the British RAF having a Russian fighter jet lock onto their aircraft twice (which is an act of war in its own right) and fire two missiles at it (which, again, is an act of war in its own right) and only due to poor quality did the RAF not lose expensive equipment and dozens of servicemen. The Bongs covered it and said there was a 'mechanical failure' on the Russian jet, which is what the Russians claimed. Then the audio of the Russian fighter jet, his wingman and ground control got leaked. The fighter jet deliberately locked on and deliberately fired twice, with his wingman screaming and begging him not to. The Bongs used the fact the second missile was launched but just fell into the Black Sea as a convenient 'well technically it was a mechanical failure' to push it under the carpet until, of course, it got leaked.The only way Article 5 could be actually activated is if Russia did actual 'impossible to claim it was in error' type attack. They could launch a Iskander at some government building in Europe and it could be claimed as 'rogue elements' or 'MI6CIAHATO ANGLOSAXON FALSE FLAG'. It'd take multiple missiles launched at multiple key targets with multiple successful strikes for NATO to even think about possibly maybe activating Article 5 and as I said >>65266787 Article 5 is not immediate attacking of the aggressor, that's just the 'up to part'. If NATO could wiggle out of actually fighting it will.
>>65266802'Wary' enough to invade Russia with F-35s to stop drone manufacturing? Any measure short of that is a half-measure that allows them to continue (or they can source Shahed-136s out of Iran which NATO can't/won't touch). You don't even necessarily have to swarm, Latvia has proven an incapability to stop even one drone from hitting them, hence the government overthrow. You would need a NATO air defense setup, which is costly and would last indefinitely, to stop drones from reaching Riga, and as stated before all failures to intercept are morale and literal blows.
>>65266756>only a 70I once again blame the wallonians
Most organic /k/ thread.
>>65266804Not to mention the literal direct Russian attacks on Poland they covered up to continue not to have to do shit, namely that time they bombed (yes BOMBED) a Polish rail line in Polish territory because it sent equipment to Ukraine. Poland said "wow, that sure was absolutely Russian, thankfully nobody got hurt!" and nothing further was done about the Russian attack on NATO infrastructure in NATO land.
>>65266729They are confident it's all just for show.Remember it cannot be anything else from their pov: one of a society built on potenkinisms ranging from the minor to the batshit insane levels of "da we are of CCCP leaders in world atheism but now we orthodox war priest 40k larp empire xaxaxa praise saint stalin)))".
>>65266792the whole thing ignores the point of why putin wanted ukraine in the first place. it doesn't really make sense to vandalize a phonebooth after you get your ass beaten trying to rob a liquor store. i mean, you might feel better but that's it. you still won't have anymore vodka or money.only the russian state seems to care about russia's image. i guess its population too, but they are too buck broken and well-monitored to ever get away with a proper rebellion, so the only thing they have to fear is their mismanagement fucking up their economy so badly that go through another collapse like in the 90s.anyway i don't know if you are suggesting it objectively makes sense for russia to invade latvia, or that it makes sense within the minds of the bizarre and vindictive people running the country.>>65266804i don't think any of the shit russia does with the "nuh uh im not touching you" hybrid warfare games is has any effect on NATO's resolve to fight russia. it's more that dealing with russia openly can go wrong in so many ways, even though it's basically a foregone conclusion that russia would get shitstomped. even in the best case scenario you end up with a fractured russia with nuclear warheads and other WMDs entering the black market
>>65266804>>65266805>oh wow they didn't declare total war over one hothead failing to kill their pilots NATO must be ready to bend over as soon as the eyebrow is raisedIsolated incidents are one thing that you can say "whoopsie daisy" over, a sustained attack is another entirely. Notice that all of these examples are "oh jeez a stray one flew out, total mistake lmao". If you go bombing a country they are entirely within their rights to bomb you back, and to bring their friends with them to join in on the fun.
>>65266815I'm saying Latvia is the most reasonable option in the near future from the perspective of Russian maximalist ideals, which you can probably assume is what Putin wants, y'know, the best outcome for himself, his image, and his ideas of his country?>>65266819Lmao they literally did bomb NATO, still didn't trigger anything other than a news article: >>65266808
>>65266823>act of sabotage = all out warI genuinely hope the russians are as retarded as you so they'll skip straight to the find out stage of fucking around
>>65266756As an Aussie I'm very disappointed, we need to send more aid to break into the top 5.
>>65266819Yes that's why I said it would take a dedicated and clear 'this can't be rogue elements or HATO ANGLO SAXON FALSE FLAG' type attack to even get the possibility of Article 5 and, additionally, even if it got activated who cares? It doesn't mean total war anyway.
>>65266824If the 'fucking around' stage allows you to bomb NATO key infrastructure such as raillines while being directly attributed to you, chances are NATO will never ever enter the 'find out' stage. In fact, you can 'fuck around' in the capital of Latvia to convince them to make concessions, without 'finding out'.
>>65266815to add on my last point, the ukraine war remaining in its current state really makes the most sense for EU if you are completely callous and pragmatic about it. russia is being bled dry slowly but surely, and none of it is too humiliating or scary to the russian state or population that they would spaz out and start acting erratically. i'm pretty sure every NATO military guys believe that shaking things up too hard or giving ukraine full support to invade russia back properly is not worth the risk of a potential major russian chimp out. russia seems to care about land above all else so losing too much too fast seems like it would cause major psychosis>>65266823did you not read the first line of my post at all? it literally does not make practical sense, because the gains of taking latvia do not outweigh the negatives in physical terms. they would just end up more material, men and future outlook in exchange for a plot of land that is going to go resume independence the next time russia collapses. it only makes sense if you work under the presumption that the way a russian nationalist feels about his country is an important asset on the same level as having access to natural resources
>>65266756I think Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland have an unfair advantage due to their proximity. I think their score should be divided by half. Then again, Germany and France boast strong economies that artificially bloat the highscore. Maybe the scoring system should be reformed to use per capita?
>>65266772>depends on the areaTrue for literally every country highlighted
>>65266824>>65266831desu i think NATO would probably avoid truly open war even if latvia were properly attacked. it's just not in NATO's best interest to let the war go fully hot. it's much easier and safer to slow russia down as much as possible, cause as much damage to it as possible and wait for it to run out of steam. eventually the country will collapse like it has done twice in the past century. all its stolen territories will just become free again just as they have the last 2 times.of course in 20-30 years russia will probably try to invade again because that's the game they wanna play
>>65266842Pretty sure German tap water is universally drinkable.
>>65266756now overlay this with a map of countries where it's safe to drink tap water
>>65266837>the gains:>restores land from the soviet union to russia (the goal is USSR reform, hence Ukraine) >destroys NATO because article 5 didnt trigger or resulted in Latvia ceding land to Russia (a loss)>didnt cost you anywhere near as much as ukraine because youre not meatgrinding, just playing musical chairs with villages while you drone the capital>total morale booster for the next wars you wage to continue to restore the former Soviet Union and your place as a 'superpower of Asia'>the losses:>didn't rejoin the western economy (you're not doing this anyway because China is financing you to distract/weaken NATO while it takes Taiwan)
>>65265503There'll be no Ukraine war in 2040, this war will be over next year tops, then there'll be at most 1-2 years until we see the collapse of the russian state.By the 2040s what was formerly Russia will then be a collection of failed rump warlord states, they'll infight in search for dominance, in the 2030s Europe will try to sponsor democracy in one of these states, but it will fail because russians are an eternal slave people and can't understand democracy, they'll crave a "strong leader", aka a pathetic weakling with dreams of empire. Ukraine will be the strongest European power by a long margin and will actually behave as some sort of "Israel of that region". It will also conduct yearly airstrikes/drone strikes against the rump warlord states' military bases and infrastructure in order to stop one from getting stronger than the rest. Ukraine will also have a "mossad" of its own in service in all of these rump states, conducting numerous covert operations whenever necessary. There will also be heavily political interference on part of Ukraine against these rump states, again, in order to keep them weak and divided.Funny how Pootin wanted to destroy Ukraine and instead ended up putting it on the path of becoming the strongest European nation while shooting himself in the foot and killing the last remnants of his petty empire at the same time.Lastly, it's highly likely that China will move in an anex the easternmost regions of the former Russian Federation, it's also likely that they'll collaborate a lot with Ukraine in order to keep the warlords from getting too upity
>>65266842I mean I'm talking about civilised areas, with infrastructure and shit. Where you can't use toilet paper in toilets due to sewage system not being designed for it and despite there being masses of stuff built for tourism you still cannot drink the water. Not 'some random place where 3 people and a dog live'.
>one seething zigger ranting on about Latvia and how perfidious and spineless HATO isWe, the collective west, wish a zigger would.
>>65266855>no no, it's not just vibes based gains>it's actually a lot of vibes based gains
>>65266866Shameful dubs in response to my own! Land acquisition and the destruction of the security guarantee that keeps you from continued land acquisition is a pretty obvious and apparent material gain, you can literally go visit the area you won as a physical place
>>65266868you can go visit latvia right now bro, whats the difference
>>65266871You could visit Crimea before 2014, and Ukraine before 2022, for some reason this is not enough for Russia who wants to put a flag down in these various places also
>>65266831>you can 'fuck around' in the capital of Latvia to convince them to make concessions,You can't attack an enemy's capital to force territorial concessions out of them and expect them to not do anything but bend over and lube up. It didn't work the last time and now everyone is on edge expecting them to pull some fucktarded shit like that. NATO not doing anything to defend against that means it just ceases to exist, which I'm sure would be a wonderful outcome for them, but not one I'd be betting on.
>>65266868why would that not trigger article 5? there are nato troops in latvia preparing for that specific scenario
>>65265503If this happens both sides will evolve similarly.Large weapon production facilities will be relocated underground, but maybe more importantly dispersed with jeet-couriered component supply chains. Widespread laser point air defense and UGV assault systems. The mesh wireless will be incredible - highly directional (CRPA in reverse), smart. Terminal guidance will be kind of a given at a certain range, standoff barriers will be everywhere. Return of armored trains, integral fuel fire suppression in fuel transport self sealing tanks, halon etc.
>>65266877>You can't attack an enemy's capital to force territorial concessions out of them and expect them to not do anything but bend over and lube up.Without NATO, and specifically in the context of Latvia, yes you can! This is because they have a population of 1.89 million, 54% being female. A very small minority is fighting-aged men, who will likely flee (leaving a percentage of a small percentage of their population to fight) as we saw in Ukraine and Russia whenever conscription came about. At just 1.34 children per woman, Latvia would fail demographically if they defended themselves for any extended period, as more people have died in the Ukraine war over four years than exists the entire population of Latvia. Latvia has chosen through demographic decline to surrender any option of defending themselves, hence NATO. Latvia is naturally both bent over and lubed up (because wamen get it)
>>65265837>I would also like to see Russia fielding multiple-amputees, losing 3 limbs shouldn't exclude you from front line serviceDa, who allowed them to live so well?
>>65266382>euro bureaucrats already being vocal about the fact that they are untouchableNot "euro bureaucrats", just Belgian ones
>>65266738> I would pivot from Ukraine's all out warfare to a drone campaign on west LatviaNATO responds with an airstrike campaign against west Russia and expelling the "Russian-speaking minority" from Latvia. What now, genius?
>>65266453>It hasn't been called that in 35 yearsa) picrelb) people often still call it that in their day to day life
>>65266881Because just like during Ukrainian invasion, the Russians flooded the lines going>Oh no no no no this is just a mistake, we're not flying there and even if we are it's just an error, don't do anything we'll sort this out, go ask your commander who is being told the exact same thing but is asking to call his underlings to confirm the situationHad the Ukrainians listened to the Bongs and Yanks before instead of the Krauts and Frogs they'd have just fired on the Russians and a lot of this would have been avoided. As it was, Russia caused command paralysis and it was only until it was apparent this clearly wasn't an error, exercise or a misunderstanding did they fight back and by then Russia had made in roads.Russia attacks Latvia and Russia goes>Latvia attacked us firstThen you, as NATO, have to work out if this is true or not. Latvia will go 'We didn't' but they would say that, wouldn't they? So you gotta go and prove that Latvia didn't attack first because if they did then you cannot go and help them due to NATO being a defensive alliance. By the time that has happened, on top of Russia's usually shit, command paralysis has happened and any NATO troops fired upon will be claimed to have been 'Latvian troops' and Russia will go 'Hehe sorry, we thought they were Latvian troops :)'. Meanwhile NATO is having a panic and you'll have some saying 'Latvia attacked first' and some going 'Russia attacked first' all the while Russia is flooded communication systems protesting innocence. By the time a clear picture has arrived, Riga has been occupied and AA is set up everywhere.>b-b-but that's just vatnik fantasies! That would never happen!!!!!!!Russia shelled its own village to justify attacking Poland during the Winter War and it took awhile for it to be conclusively proven that the shells couldn't have come from Finnish positions, thus Russia did it. By then it is too late.
>>65266909I meant Finland not Poland and I've made a lot of grammatically errors here. I'm tired.
>>65266626There was a large whole day thread on RU 2ch bumped by an ass blasted retard who was DEBOONKING every video using AI and such.
>>65266881What is there to trigger Article 5 over? The drone incursions (which have sparked government failure in Latvia, but not activated Article 5) or the border dispute where Russian armymen in plainclothes wander into Latvian villages, which you can walk back on if confronted as a mistake?
>>65266909i see what you mean, but I think it depends on how well integrated latvia is with the rest of nato. i think it is better integrated than you think. secondly i think it depends on how much europe wants to avoid a confrontation with russia. because there is so much emphasis on protecting nato now and because everyone has their eyes on the baltic and because there already a lot of nato troops there I doubt that they would try to investigate if the russian allegation were true before retaliating
>>65266784>By way of it already happenedIt didn't, though.>and westoids won't do shitYou mean other than stabbing another knife into your economy and throwing another couple millions' worth of aid to the Ukies to kill you with? Aka proportional response. The proportional response to an outright significant drone campaign is a no fly zone and airstrikes in western Russia btw.>Article 5 doesn't get triggered because of a simple border dispute, my friendIt absolutely does, tho.>muh local minorityGonna get kicked right over the border so they can rejoin mother Russia properly the moment they become a real issue. Well unless they're a russian soldier, in which case they'll just be cubed. What are you gonna do, invade and get Article 5 invoked?>>652667871. This is cope.2. The EU's own defense treaties are evne more strict anyway, and that means NATO gets dragged in either way.>Because you can bet your ass the Germans won't want to do anything military related. This was delusional zigger copium even back in 2022, and it's beyond delusional now.
>>65266906wtf HATO nazis doing a heckin real ethnic cleansing of east Latvia? Sounds like a real legitimate reason to draft your population to literally liberate those people in that region. Second you're dreaming if you think they'll risk F-35 airframes going anywhere into Russian territory, at best NATO circles Riga's airspace. You can sell NATOid citizens on defending Latvia, a harder sell is literal WW3 against Russia where you invade and not just 'defend'.
>>65265585It did collapse. Markets are just very slow. Japan had a financial crisis in the fucking 80s and still hasn't recovered from it.
>>65266909Retard. The Ukrainians listened to THEIR OWN SPOOKS. Who all told them that the Russian Army was in no way prepared to actually roll across the border and that doing so would end up disastrously for the ziggers. Which, uh, well... they knew but the Kremlin didn't.
>>65266920you cannot have any significant number of troops, if any, just wander across the a heavily fortified and monitored border that would be on high alert bc drones
>>65266927>it didn't thoughYes it did and it keeps happening>Russia bombs Polish rail: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-railway-explosion-sabotage-russia-ukraine-warsaw-b2867888.html>NATO 'strongly condemns' Russian drone strike on apartment building in NATO territory: https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/europe/romania-ukraine-russia-drone-intl-hnkYour bet is you will do shit, my bet is you won't and the evidence backs up my theory, but once again we'll see what happens I guess
>>65266942i think there is a clear difference between those incidents and an actual drone offensive
>>65266909>Russia attacks Latvia and Russia goes>Latvia attacked us firstAnd thousands of NATO troops move into Latvia and secure its borders while bootiong out any zigger squatting west of said border anyway.>Then you, as NATO, have to work out if this is true or not.Nope, that can wait until after the immediate contingency op plan is activated and in motion.
>>65266909literally no one has ever fucking believed them when they say "nuh uh actually it's their fault we need to invade them!" and it's not going to fly for a NATO country. Russia can't attack them without NATO forces getting involved because NATO forces are already fucking there to defend against Russia attacking them. >>65266942>the evidenceyeah man it's fucked up that they waged a bombing campaign against warsaw and got a chunk of poland out of it and NATO didn't do shitwhat? that's not what happened? You'd almost think they're not remotely the same situation. I don't know why I'm bothering when all you've said is >AXAXA WE DO WHATEVER WE WANT AND WESTOIDS WON'T DO SHIT
>>65266943Why? Even if I launch a full drone offensive and you can distinguish that from the already happening drone incursions, what are you going to do about it? The factories are in Russia proper, and even if magically NATO drums up the appetite to fly F-35s heroically over Moscow to stop them, Iran has Shahed-136s it can supply, China is the drone manufacturing hub and wants Moscow to continue its fight against NATO to distract them... You can come up with drones to continue to do this all you want, even decentralized manufacturing is possible as seen by Ukraine. Your options realistically are to have an indefinite air defense brigade in Latvia, and hopefully they can stop all of them at a cheap price per drone, and Latvia's will never falters
>>65266926>This was delusional zigger copium even back in 2022>We should give tanks to Ukraine>Germany: NEIN NEIN NEIN RED LINE!>Here are some Soviet tanks Ukraine>Nothing happens>We should send some Western tanks to Ukraine>Germany: NEIN NEIN NEIN RED LINE!>Here are some AMX tanks, Ukraine>We should send some Leopards to Ukraine>Germany: NEIN NEIN NEIN RED LINE! WE CANNOT BE SENDING TANKS TO UKRAINE!>But we sent some are they were fine?>Germany: WELL WE MEAN WESTERN MBT!!!>UK: Here you go Ukraine, some Western MBT!>Nothing happens>So you gotta send those now, Germany?>Germany: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!>Hey we should send some long range strike systems to Ukraine>Germany: NEIN NEIN NEIN RED LINE!>UK: Here are some Storm Shadows, Ukraine!>Nothing happens>Hey Germany, why don't you send TAURUS to Ukraine?>Germany: WELL TAURUS IS A BRIDGE KILLER AND ITS TOO COMPLICATED FOR UKRAINE TO USE AND ANYWAY IT WOULD REQUIRE GERMAN TROOPS IN THE GROUND AND WE WON'T DO THAT BUT THE EVIL WARMONGERING BRITS HAVE DONE IT FOR STORM SHADOW>But TAURUS isn't much more powerful than Storm Shadow, it just uses a slightly different warhead, what exactly is the problem?>Germany: REEEEEEEEEE!I mean when there is an entire Wiki article on how Germany didn't want to help, anon....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Taurus_controversyhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60155002https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-01-26/germany-reluctance-arm-ukraine-history-warsI could go on but you get my point. Don't forget the huge list of excuses Scholz did to prevent any aid being sent (on top of sending helmets with defects). Yes they've sent money (now) but they still don't want to arm Ukraine properly.
>>65266929Cry harder, ziggie. What you gonna do, start a war you'll lose utterly? Go ahead, make my day.>Second you're dreaming if you think they'll risk F-35 airframes going anywhere into Russian territoryLol. LMAO. How's Russia even supposed to find out, what with the Ukrainians having thoroughly raped their air defense service? Hell, F-35s? Not even needed, just the legacy 4th gen fleets would be sufficient to utterly butcher any zigger trying to fuck around.
>>65266937>The Ukrainians listened to THEIR OWN SPOOKSYeah man, that's why General Eric Vidaud of the DRM was fired for his failures. It was because Ukraine listened to their own spooks, not to the French instead of Five Eyes.
>>65266952You're right, and we can play down the attacks on Latvia as insignificant drone 'incidents' too, since the apartment block attack, and the rail line destruction in NATO territory, both just 'don't count' as anything because you don't want it to I guess, despite having immediate physical consequences, the rail line itself being a supply line for Ukrainian equipment...
>>65266963Four years ago they tried to take a non-NATO country and now moscow is burning, how well do you think they'll do against an actual air force?
>>65266956Good luck with that is all I'll say of the issue, hard sale for all the reasons I outlined, maybe you will do it
>>65266292You forgot>Ukraine won, but since Ukrainians are basically Russians, we only lost to ourselves (which actually means we won)
>>65266952You don't need to believe them, the public do. Do you think the public would be for going to the aid of a nation they can't even point to on the map let alone heard of without any concrete proof that they're obligated to do so?>>65266946There aren't enough troops in the Baltic region (the three states) to do that. This is a hypothetical scenario where Russia attacked them first, not Ukraine. If Russia goes 'Latvia attacked us' then NATO has a duty to check that because otherwise any nation could claim that they were attacked instead of attacking.
>>65266359>cope truckIsn't it just a skeleton to spread a tarp on and camouflage it as picrel instead of a tanker?
>>65266942No it didn't, though? Russia has at no point dared launching anything even remotely resembling a sustained drone campaign against any NATO member state. All there's been were inconsequential, impotent single drones "getting lost" or legit getting lost. Which in every case subsequently saw a proportional response by way of thing such as more sanctions, mroe shadow fleet boats getting stopped, Ukraine getting yet more aid to slaughter another couple thousand ziggers with etc.>your betThere is no bet here outside lof your zigger delusions, only the certainty of proportional response. The evidence utterly refutes your cope "theory".>>65266961Or, you know, he just got fired because he failed his job of providing good intel to his own government. That this had anything to do with UKRAINE listening or not listening to him is something you seem to be pulling entirely out of your ass.>>65266966>Good luckNo luck needed, retard. NATO/EU proportional response is objectively in effect, and relevant contingency plans are in place and ready for activation. Your "reasons" are delusional zigger cope and fail to hold up to even the tiniest shred of actual scrutiny. Seethe more about it.>>65266972>There aren't enough troops in the Baltic region (the three states) to do that.There are more than enough troops in the Baltic region to do that in combination with total NATO aerial supremacy and the existing capability to flood in massive reinforcements in a matter of hours to days. Seethe more about it, zigger.>If Russia goes 'Latvia attacked us' then NATO has a duty to check that 1. Wrong, NATO in fact has no actual duty of such kind whatsoever. They can, in fact, just take Latvias word for it. Because Latvia is trustworthy. Unlike Russia.2. Irrelevant. Any such "checking" will take place after the contingency plans are activated and the troops are in motion to secure Latvias borders.
>>65266988Yes, or wood planksThe trick is they get blown up anyway
>firehose of falsehoods floodjust ignore the fucker
>>65266954i think the response to an incursion is latvia would be different, but i see your point and your scenario is possible>>65266953but don't you think it seems unlikely that russia can keep up the war with ukraine after going into latvia while their industrial capability and supply chains are being hammered by NATO because of the incursion into latvia? as it stands russia is not doing so well against ukraine. nato has an incentive to keep the war in latvia, there is already a lot of anti russian sentiment among ethnic latvians. i don't think holding out for a few years would be difficult in terms of morale.
What has blown up THIS time?
>What will the Ukraine war look like in 2040?Same as today but expanded with Poland and Belarus on Russian side and neo-Nazi Germany on Ukrainian side.With Sweden selling weapons to all parties and Hungary doing the a Trianon revanchist war sidequest at the same time.
>>65267010>a major war in Europe involving Germany and they haven't invaded Belgiumunbelievable 0/10
>>65267008Kerch power plant
>>65266756holy shit even Svalbard hates russia
>>65267010still saner than Medvedevs HoI4 fantasies
>>65266782Mobiks will come pre-carbonized inside the grill pipe starter for a faster and more convenient cook-out
>>65266954All the German politicianns that made those decisions are retarded boomers.who are mentally stuck in 1979.Also, I unironincally thinnk the reason that they didn't send any Taurus is because none are in working order.
>>65267030This is literally some edgy kids jerk off list that isn't a phase mum, its serious
>>65266651Yes.
>>65266768>Do we need to show it?You know what they say, pics or GTFO?
>>65266630"Think, reflect for yourself."A homo sovieticus doesn't question when it can obey. Genuinely though, not that rule of law has much value in that country isn't that a crime these days since -23 and multiple times reinforced that only the state can confirm or deny the ongoing events. That spreading "rumours" is criminal. >>65266756i thought Sweden would score higher, at least we beat the Danes. The ruzzian news have frequently bleated over fever dreams of their military seizing the Baltic island of Gotland and I wish they would try. By hate value, I can recognize Estonia as Nordic. >>65265503I hate to hype up drones but they'll continue development and integration in services. Also I've placed my bet on the conflict ending by 24th March 2027 years ago, either a status quo or to Ukranian advantage.
>>65266666His Infernal Majesty is speaking, listen and learn
>>65267069I’m guessing they’re still obsessed with how Sweden cut off their access to the Baltic Sea in the 17th century.
>>65265503The last Russian and the last Ukrainian are going to have a fistfight on top of the Kremlin like in Metal Gear Solid.
>>65266791Something to do with Crimea probably.
the russians sure are mad today.Putin is going all "Europe is getting ready for war!" and Lavrov is all "We'll nuke you if you touch Belarus!".things must be pretty bad
>>65266744>Ukraine doesn't need America's backing to do anythingIt does need a degree of political cover for one, somewhat minor thing, and really only to counter-balance any EU weakness that may bubble up in future months. That being to cause a humanitarian crisis on the Crimean Peninsula. Another railway bridge went down today, and the repair crew (and their very expensive equipment) along with it. The last ferries were destroyed Sunday. Roadway bridges the week before. Other than the temporary embankments, pontoons (which are also getting hit) and the Kerch Strait Bridge there isn't much left. None of it has capacity. Crimea is just too exposed, so this only ends one way.
>>65265692why is the city melting
>>65266461Having sex with r*ssians gives you AIDS which is a faggy disease
>>65267125made out of mobikubes.
>>65265503A section in history books. If the war is still "ongoing" in 2040 it will be low intensity but what little does happen will be brutal and one sided. I'm imagining a 90 year old quadruple amputee with a vaguely gun shaped stick and some pine cones getting turned to paste for hopping towards the border "menacingly".
>>65267030>The collapse of the Bretton Woods financial systemI think he's about fifty years late on that one.
>>65266736Did the pidor union end when stalin (was poisoned by beria)? Did muscovia disappear when ivan the schizo killed his son and successor in a fit of rage?Sadly, the muscovite cancer is harder to kill than simply acking monke. Only thing known about the next tzar is that he will likely have hair. Opposed to the baldness of the kgb manlet. Known from history as the tzars tend to alternate between having hair and having the sun shine blind others standing around
>>65266630No bets about when he gets window'd yet...
>>65266892Tired of your timid yapping you diseased pidor. Are you going to do it finally, or just keep barking there. Come on, you dont have much time left before ukranians tear you another asshole and throw you out by force
>>65266645>dont worry it's not 1990s yet>yetRemember, it will get worse
>>65266488it already has.
>>65266909>By then it is too late.And they got heir asses handed to them by the finns. Someone everybody likes to pretend is a ukraine or poland tier obstacle, but in reality has the same population as the three balts combined with a much, much longer land borderOnly reason you are here shitting on the balts as completely incapable of fighting is because they cucked out from participating in ww2 and having their own winter wars. Which happened because their military command grossly overvalued pidor competency, not understanding that stalin had slaughtered the entire officer corps. Finns could have easily fallen in the same trap with slightly different leadership and given up with a finland SSR soon to follow There have been wars before between the balts and muscovia. The result was three baltic states emerging on the map for the first time post WW1. Because muscovites got their asses handed to them so hard by the newly formed militaries lenin and trotsky sued for peace on their own initiative. I can tell in 2027 and 2028 there, at first, will be hand wringing from nato allies as the war starts. Coming from the same belief of pre determined loss of war. Which will turn into open support ranging from materials to air strikes as soon as those wirh skin on the line, that is north, central and eastern europe, realize balts are slaughtering the pidor convoys they arrogantly sent in without prep and support. Since thry also cockily believe there will be mo or minimum resistance. In estonias case they have made no secret they are determined to turn the opposing pidorsburg oblast into a war zone to minimize the damage on their own land. Just like they did in the 1920s
>>65267026Svalbard is part of Norway.
>>65266756As an Estonian I feel insulted that we aren't number one. TZD. Also happy victory day to everyone!
>>65266756What the hell did Latvia do to get ahead of Finland and the rest of baltics?
>>65266537>ruscistkek
>>65265503Armored Core. Autonomous weapons. There's going to be a no-man's land of "Set it and forget it" drones loitering and killing anything that moves.
>>65267322I'm still amazed that you can bet on things like "will JD Vance visit Pakistan by..." which a lot of people will know well in advance
>>65266630>At warOh no. Rip fighterbomber.
>>65267413training kindergartners for annuda barbarossa
>>65266501This is incredible cope or misguided. Ukraine absolutely is joining the EU and that isn't even debatable. Everyone is in agreement over this and it's a necessity for Ukraine and a boon for the EU. It seems that for some inexplicable reason Russia still cling to the failed idea that it will have any sort of "sphere of influence" or that due to some magical reason nobody can explain the whole of Eastern Europe and eventually Belarus aren't going to be a part of the EU. Russia's everything is simply over and the only question is the exact timeframe and how bad the collapse will be.
>>65267250>what little does happen will be brutal and one sidedyes. it'll be a repeat of the late 1940s when the last UPA insurgents were mercilessly hunted down
>>65267669>Russia's everything is overyou have been saying this for 25 years, it hasn't happened yet
>>65267669cipso or abject delusion?call it
>>65266738>try to invade ukropiggers in 2022>fail>shit ok lets try with something easier like latvia>failHave you considered chechnya?
>>65266616none of the things in this list support the false claim that Russia is carrying out a genocide.
>>65268135Russia already vvoned in chechnya though
>>65267400just screech moreyour country is irrelevant so your actions won't have any consequences for the world anyway so do as you will
>>65268149Yea but it becomes independent again in 2031, 2 years after the collapse
>>65266804>>65266808There has been no drone attack in Poland that seems like a direct attack, the vast majority have been against open fields. Rail lines are particularly good at shrugging off small scake explosives too.Rivet Joint was radar sniffing Crimea at the time, arguably for NATO defensive reasons, but from a Russian perspective arguably a similar level of conflict escaltion to the level of two missiles, given that that same radar information would likely be given to Ukraine to kill Russian AA.From a UK government perspective they may even consider it normal shows of force. While technically it is an attack, they would probably not trigger the article due to the potential of it being not seen as defensive.There's usually a rational reason for the choices governments make, and it's very rarely out of fear alone.
>>65268158>angry zigger seething this hard over estonia of all placesclearly they are relevant.
>>65268117no? no people haven't.you're a liar, a bad one at that.>i-ignore the signs please, don't believe your lying eyes!yes i'm sure national fuel shortages in what is the equivalent of a country-sized gas station is a sign that things are going well.
>>65266756Russians cant even make their hate charts right
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>>65268091I hope you can eventually understand just how much of a miracle it'd take for this to end in Russia's favor. If it just continues as it is now Russia will lose. The reality is it's likely to get worse instead of maintaining status quo.I would bet the history books are going to cite the collapse of the northern front (Kyiv) and northeastern front (Kharkiv) in 2022 as moments that decided the war with the liberation of Kherson and the long defense of Bakhmut sealing the deal.
>>65265799I would assume at this point he's finished if he backs out now anyway so he probably feels like he has nothing to lose.
>>65270078Russia's offensive in Donetsk will be remembered as a less successful, slower and inept repeat of the Battle of Verdun.If they're lucky.
