>>65265941
I'm glad browns finally have their Ghost of Kyiv.

>>65265941
The Iranian regime is built on lying from top to bottom, I don't buy that shit. Especially the part where they got home alive.

>>65265976
Then again, if a hopeless war where anybody with an ounce of realism knows your country will fall in days happens, wont it make sense you send out all your fighters on ground hugging retaliatory strikes you’ve trained for rather than just let them die. Also that some of them made it back. It’s suicidal spite raids to boost morale and get some kind of retaliation, the poles did the same thing in in 39 (Fraustadt).

Anyway it’s believable that the su 24 was too big and fat to make it but some of the tigers did.
>>65265954
F-5 flight sim scenario called The Last Tiger when?

>>65265954
>>65265976
They appear to have done exactly one successful airstrike by having the pilot fly the entire distance at ~10-15m altitude. Naturally this would not work a second time, so they wisely didn't repeat it. I don't recall what they targeted, and I doubt they cared either, conducting the airstrike for propaganda purposes was the objective. It's one of the very few things I credit them for actually doing well in this shitshow that was otherwise a nonstop one-sided assrape.

>>65266107
Mot either of them
Realistically, how could it be anything other than "a nonstop one-sided assrape?" What could they have feasibly done to significantly change the outcome? (Try not to use too much hindsight)

>>65266107
What about the damage to a dozen radar installations and an awacs? The last one was in Bahrain during the last round of fighting. Those are expensive and out of production.
Also it turns out modern air defenses can be overwhelmed by missile and drone trash and Iran has better precision missiles than they did back in 2019.

>>65266119
Well, they could have stopped being an autistic pariah state hell-bent on exercising power across the region when they can't even supply basic utilities to their own citizens. That would have been a good start. The inevitability of Iran getting assraped is a direct product of their political decision-making over the course of decades.

>>65266129
Frankly, hitting a whopping total of 12 (being generous - you don't have any proof for half of these) stationary targets isn't going to win a war vs anyone, not even shitholes in the region, let alone the United States. The loss of the AWACS was fucking dumb, but it's delusional to think that production couldn't be restarted if need be.

If your standards are so low that being able to hit 12 targets total during the course of a war that lasted over 3 months, I'd argue that you're already in the mindset of someone who is doomed to lose any war they find themselves in.

>>65265954
They already have the Ghost of Kuwait, how could they possibly hope to outdo that?

>>65266130
> when they can't even supply basic utilities to their own citizens
Which means there was little lost from escalating when they already economically collapsed and by disrupting the global economy they won economic concessions. They’ve already had oil sanctions waived and tens of billions released.
They may even get a .3 trillion development fund. From an economic standpoint fighting the war and getting the deal is the best thing that’s happened in decades, damage to already shit infrastructure notwithstanding.

>>65266158
It doesn't really matter. Them being an impoverished shithole with few options doesn't magically change the standards for what is a victory and what is an assraping. A good analog is the Second Congo War. After years of completely annihilating the DRC and allies, causing tons of war crimes, and generally wrecking any hopes of stability or decent living standards the region ever had, Rwanda withdrew, having suffered a few hundred to maybe a thousand casualties (civilian death toll was over 5 million). Rwanda has continued to exercise power over the eastern DRC since then. Can you really say the DRC won the Second Congo War? Can you really say they didn't get anally annihilated? Of course not, and Iran is in a similar scenario.

>>65266142
>half
It was at 10 a few weeks in
https://abcnews.com/amp/International/us-allied-radar-sites-middle-east-struck-10/story?id=131164670
Possibly double by war’s end https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/05/06/iran-us-bases-satellite-images/

And these were meant for theater defense and not something that’s going to be replaced easily. So if you lose many of your eyes to a near fourth world that doesn’t bode well for a Taiwan war.
>production couldn't be restarted if need be
We’ll see how that prediction goes. They said 4 years to replace tomahawk stocks that are down by 50%. Will starting manufacturing chains from near scratch be quicker idk.

Incidentally, army says Iran missile effectiveness is still at 70% https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/12/us/politics/iran-missiles-us-intelligence.html
Which is pretty weak against a country with 60s and 70s air defense.

>>65266175
>Rwanda has continued to exercise power over the eastern DRC since then
So like Hormuz?
This is more like the Battle of Shimonoseki Straits if instead of storming the shores they’d paid Choshu a bribe and diplomatic recognition to reopen the straights.
I thought it was going to end like the irl Battle of Shimonoseki Straits not like this.

>>65266181
Not suspicious at all that you have multiple news links on this very topic readily available

>>65266192
No you retard, Iran is the DRC in this comparison. Iran is the one whose soil got bombed, and the United States is the force that inflicted a fuckton of damage, took a much smaller amount of losses, and withdrew. The Iranians have sustained an ass raping and the best they can do is to continue being an unstable blight causing problems for their neighbors, just like the DRC. That does not make them winners. But of course, it's not as if you actually made that mistake; now comes the part where you devolve into repetitively claiming Iran won and the US lost, ignoring all actual discussion points.

>>65266196
Calling everything that happened including paying bribes part of the plan is zigger brained. So is getting mad at sources that cite the army.
Not that you aren’t half right but the rape wasn’t nearly as bad as expected and they got scratches in too. This was no Libya or Iraq.

>>65266218
That is a different anon you're replying to, I'm the one describing it as an ass-raping. By no means do I think this shitshow was well-run on our part, but I think it's even more delusional to try and paint Iran as a winner here. There also isn't any payment set in stone - I'll be livid if it goes through, fwiw.

>>65266107
camp Buehring
deep inside the alleged ADN put up by the US and gulf states
the whole thing was a psyop, and it worked

>>65266246
I suppose it's uneducated thirdie hours now. Flying below radar detection level at high speed doesn't really have good counters, at least not the kind that can be spread across an entire theater. But once that first strike is done, the enemy knows what you're trying to do, and you no longer have an element of surprise. Basically, so long as the pilot didn't crash, he was extremely unlikely to fail in this surprise strike run, and there's not really any way the US or anyone else could counter that. But he'd be a dead man if he tried again. So it's like I said: you inflicted negligible damage for a lovely propaganda victory, but at the end of the day, that has little to no effect on the warfighting capacity of your enemy.

>>65266267
The sought-for effect on warfighting capacity WAS achieved and it is this exact asshurt that you are so prominently displaying.
it's called trolling, Iran did a little trolling

of note, 2000 lb (which is max load for an F-5s bomb hardpoints) would be enough for a small nuclear gravity bomb
also of note, Khorramshahr missiles have a stated payload of about 1 ton, which is about 10% more than 2k lbs, which would account for a minimalist RV (really just a graphite cone hat for the warhead)

>>65266279
You confuse exasperation and annoyance for rage. You're like an African rebel who, having killed a small patrol of junta forces, now parades their heads in a great victory celebration - willfully ignoring that said junta has already shattered the rebel forces to such an extent that they've resorted to banditry. Your country has been heavily bombed and has seen decades of military buildup evaporate in the span of 3 months, most of that being in the first week. You may have your last hurrah in the form of a single airstrike, sure, but it looks increasingly pathetic as you latch onto that for dear life, avoiding the reality that hundreds of those strikes rained on Iran each day and you could do nothing. That is why it was an assrape.

in short, my assessment is that Iran has (very deliberately) demonstrated during this war that it owns and can successfully operate nuclear delivery vehicles
in my opinion, they have a design for a pure uranium gun-type bomb in the 15-20kt range weighing no more than 700 kg but possibly as low as 500 kg
this would be a "stopgap" design that would cover the years before they can process enough plutonium for an implosion type fusion-boosted fission weapon

>>65266302
>more asshurt
boring
open your eyes to reality, there may be time to save your beloved american empire yet

>>65266130
I don't disagree with you but that's not really engaging with the spirit of the question. Would you care to try again?

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>>65266324
Yeah my bad, here
>>65266323
lol muslimjeet

I fig the Iranians correctly predicted US Air Defense would go to shit once some started taking incoming fire and big booms anywhere close to Danger Close, and knew they had that window.

Also maybe figured "USA will be more afraid of friendly fire since they got so many more planes in sky" and will be confused and panic enough not to sort out in time.

>>65265976
It worked on the US in US/Bong excercises in the early noughties using tornadoes. It is a well known old US system vulnerability that perhaps was best undisclosed.
I can't imagine the gulfstates getting newest US equipment.

>>65266142
Most warfighting analysis has given up on vulnerability and swapped to attritional style.

The US does not expect invulnerable FOBs anymore as the enemy has become more capable in attack numbers and defenses have always been expensive and inperfect.

>>65266302
Uh, what? The iranian navy and air force has been destroyed, but their entire doctrine is built around knowing that will happen and instead relying on oil tankers continuing to be slow, fragile, expensive and afraid of being shot at.

Iran will face a ground invasion by coalition forces in the next 10 years if the Islamic regime doesn't fall. Classic case of thinking airpower can win a war on its own. Kikes, the US, Saudis etc. Want Iran gone now and in the future, and will start planning more decisive actions in the future.

The really funny thing was that once the kuwaitis realized they were being bombed, their air defense sort of woke from their stupor and shot down 3 friendly F-15 that were loafing around at altitude and thus visible. With allies like that you dont need enemies.

>>65266181
Ah yes the leftist media very reliable, too bad it doesn't say any of what you just claimed. It's okay for you to admit it, Iran got raped.

>>65266279
>We trolled you!
So how hard were you trolled by having your Ayatollahs killed and the Strait annexed?

>>65266714
>We lost on purpose
Cool now America sells more oil.

>>65266129
How much it represented in percentage of defense budget and loses?

>>65266750
I suspect what will happen is something akin to Syria and Yemen, with a civil war breaking out as the Islamic Republic is no longer capable to assert effective control over certain regions of the country, drones and a closed strait become pointless on such scenario as the glowies start to corrode the entire structure from within.

>>65266333
Why is is so inconceivable for someone to ask you to just expound on your position? All I want is to just hear your take.

>>65266750
>coalition forces
Sounds like Israel's problem, they should do it themselves.

>>65266279
I have izzat culture fatigue

>>65266279
sadly for iran trolling doesn't stop your forces from being annihalated.

>>65266750
Israel still can’t take Tyre and are being suppressed by fiber optic toy drones. They’ve become the ziggers of the Middle East.
Meanwhile the Saudi just paid off the Iranians to get them to shut up. Fat chance anyone tries your MIGA wet dream.

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>>65266905
>migacope
Washington post is pro war and anti Iran memorandum of understanding.

Keep pretending the US army’s analysis lied and that we didn’t just wire Iran 20 billion and lifted their oil sanctions .

>>65268164
You guys have a different number every time its clear youre making shit up.

>>65268204
Because the amount released trickles up by the day but it’s already well over JCPOA. https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-frozen-funds-qatar-effed975

>>65266714
>Iran carefully constructed a navy and air force, at great cost and over several decades, for the express purpose of having it destroyed by the United States and/or Israel
Is this some kind of humiliation fetish thing or what

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>>65268316
> >Iran carefully constructed a navy and air force, at great cost and over several decades,
Do all you migas hate history or something?
Iran constructed no Air Force, they inherited most the royal Air Force. Which was built in the 60s and 70s. Navy is also mostly Vietnam era.

Iran’s planes are comically outdated Vietnam aircraft that you find in private warbird collections elsewhere. The fact some 5A tigers who don’t even have radars actually did raids and came back shows how badly the pentagon fucked this. It’s one step above mustangs strafing your bases in 2025.
Personally I hope they sell their surviving warbirds so private collectors can care for them and use the 300 billion to buy new shit I don’t care about or something. Every time a warbird dies I cringe a little.

>>65269038
I generalized because explaining the history of careful maintenance and upgrades, which is a similar or greater degree of resource investment than actual acquisition, is beyond the scope of me pointing out how fucking retarded that guy is.

>>65269315
Migga it takes as much money to run those as it takes a warbird club to run their rides. probably easy for them since the F-5 has easy to make parts and their only native fighter (Kowsar) is a literal F5 clone probably made from F5 spare part lines.

If they had bought some J-20 and they died I’d get the flex but bragging that you blew up a warbird club isn’t the win it sounds like. If anything it’s a tragedy that the tomcat is now extinct. We should have just made the deal before the war and bought up their Air Force for the museums.

>>65266298
>1 ton, which is about 10% more than 2k lbs
Retard.

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>>65266298
Hello fellow DCS player
What’s your favorite Cold War trash?

>>65269486
That's correct, though.
1000 kg is 2204.62 large bull shits or whatever lbs is supposed to stand for

>>65269670
1000 kg is a tonne or metric ton, a ton is 2000 pounds. And a long ton is 20 hundredweight which is 2240 pounds, but no one gives a shit about that except for boats.

>>65269715
British guns used to be proofed in long tons.

>>65269715
>muh short tons
>muh long tons
Nobody gives a shit about ancient meme units.
1000 kg = ton everywhere in the civilized world and probably most of third world as well.

>>65269723
No, it's a tonne, which is pronounced the same way. The fact that you're an illiterate brown esl doesn't change that fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB4kcCPMwvw
Perun dropped his assessment, and it isn't looking good for Trump

>>65267012
NTA, but nothing reeks of passive-aggressive pretentiousness more than "Would you care to try again?" You either are innocent of internet discourse or you're continuing to be a pretentious faggot who "simply wants to hear the take :(" Most likely the latter. So yes, responding to you is inconceivable. Anon's shitpost was all your comment merited.

>>65269855
buy an ad

>>65269894
nah 4chin advertised me for free

>>65269887
> strategic target was to cripple Iranian nuclear and missile program
>Trump claimed there will be a power change
>nothing changed and the islamic rulers are still in power
>fail
>Strait of Hormuz was open before
>now it isn't
>Iran was sanctioned before
>now it isn't and is allowed to freely export its oil
how did the US win again? by crippling Iranian worthless navy and air force? sure, but that's a low-hanging fruit, and it didn't help them get any closer to the actual objectives that they listed out

>>65269921
Not to worry, the not-a-peace-treaty was instantly violated, so the investment fund is unlikely to actually happen.

>>65266279
Trump glazers in this thread are fucking hilarious
>What were American military objectives? What was achieved?
>What were Iranian military objectives? What did they achieve?
Two very simple questions.
The Americans did not manage to topple the regime, despite assassinations and wiping out the leadership during negotiations. They've essentially reassessed...nothing when it comes to preventing Iran from building a nuclear bomb that wasn't already present during the Obama era. They've conceded that Iran has the right to defend itself, and they're not only buying their fucking oil at a discount, they're using previously sanctioned funds as a reconstruction budget for Iran. They've ceded that Iran has the ability to control the Strait of Hormuz which it will do with Oman. What the fuck did we accomplish here? Got some expensive billion dollar radar installations blown up for what? We're giving them money to rebuild shit we've blown up at our own expense. Short of causing a fucking humanitarian crisys by blowing up desalination plants America has accomplished literally none of its goal.
Don't give me that "we blew up their air force and navy" bullshit. It literally doesn't matter. They can still close the fucking pool.

>>65269954
The only way that you can claim it was a victory is if in the short term (less than 10 years), the instability from the war causes a revolution and the ayatollahs are overthrown. Even then, if it doesn’t lead to a stable neutral or pro-west government, but leads to a Syria situation that fucks everything up for everyone in the Middle East, that’s also not really a win. All you’ve done is exchange one problem for another.

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>>65269921
Did you even read what you responded to? Do you do that? Or do you look for keywords and copy+paste what your handlers give you for the day?

>>65269954
The funny thing is that they keep endlessly repeating "muh air force and muh navy" when Iran's actual naval projection force, it's mosquito fleet, is still fully operational and there is little to no evidence it's air force has been attrited in any significant way.

America lost more planes than Iran lmfao.

>>65270062
>I-Iran didn't even WANT those things!
Ziggeresque.

>>65270062
>America lost more planes than Iran lmfao.
Only if you count American drones but not Iranian drones.

>>65270074
Cope all you want. It's been known since forever that Iran's primary naval projection force are it's small attack ships with the larger ships mainly serving as coast guard.

>>65270094
Those small attack ships sure did destroy a lot of carriers, didn't they?

>>65270101
No, but they kept the strait closed which was their entire purpose.

>>65270101
I don’t want to back the goatfuckers, but they ultimately didn’t need to sink any carriers. The USN couldn’t guarantee safe passage for civilian ships through the Straits. That’s the whole game there. They fought an asymmetrical campaign that successfully put pressure on the global economy, and Trump had to make a deal with them.

>>65270120
That was drones, not those gay little boats.

>>65266107
>one-sided assrape.
Is that so? Then why is it Trump who is begging for a peace treaty? Curious.
>muh body count
Yeah. How did that work out in Nam and Stan.

>>65269887
owned him hard lmao

>>65266145
>Ghost
Everyone saw him and mo one tried to stop him.

>>65270082
Reapers are out of production as well. They aren’t meant to be expended.

>>65270222
>begging
Brown detected.

>>65266714
>redditors/irgcshills have adopted the zigger "we didn't need it anyway" line

>>65270615
They do this then try to claim the US is just like Russia.

>>65270062
>America lost more planes than Iran lmfao
I guess that's the new line

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>>65270620
Arguably true

>>65270744
Your "argument" is based upon a self-evident catastrophic imbalance in osint bda.

>>65270786
So the only evidence Iran's airforce has been destroyed is meaningless Trump ramblings?

>>65269409
No retard, sanctions mean they have to produce all replacement parts domestically. And what they can't replace has to be preserved. They're not able to buy anything else, including chinkshit

>>65270325
They're out of production because they're obsolete, thirdie-kun. They are disposable assets because they'd soon be resold or mothballed anyway. I understand drones are your new wunderwaffen, but the USA has had them for many decades.

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>>65270797
>Literally pulling MQ-1s out of storage
>"We didn't need those Reapers anyway"

>>65270787
>um guys ackshually the relentless air campaign which we could do nothing about somehow didn't touch our air assets
there's also israeli footage released of both a2g and a2a kills, but this doesn't fit with your worldview so you don't remember it

>>65270804
Yids posted a single vid of a Yak-130 being shot down by an F-35. Hitting decoys or retired airframes that have been sitting outside for years is just cope propaganda. Post actual plane destruction.

Yids also claimed to have completely destroyed Irans air force and missile launchers last year but hmmmm still seems to be around lmao.

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>>65270802
>replacing destroyed units during an active combat mission
>admits they're already being mothballed
I accept your concession.

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>>65270807
>Retarded tourist doesn't know the difference between an MQ-9 and MQ-1.

>>65270094
>Cope all you want
I think you are the one who's coping here.

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>>65270806
>n-no, a-all the destroyed ground targets were retired airframes
>Iran
>retired airframes
holy mother of cope. Please do tell us where they got the replacements from lmao

>>65270786
>Self Evident
These were all reported and confirmed by the military

>>65270815
The black market? F-4s and F-5s are fucking everywhere dumbass. We shredded all of our F-14s because Iran kept getting parts from them, but Iran still keeps them flying. You aren't sincerely stupid enough to believe sanctions actually stop Iran from getting stuff they really want, right?

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>the burgeoning black market of... F-4/F-5 airframes?
I don't know what's funnier, the basic premise, or the fact that you actually believe something so ridiculous, which you just invented in your head a few minutes ago

>>65270787
I didn't say that.
Are you capable of acknowledging that
>Your "argument" is based upon a self-evident catastrophic imbalance in osint bda
?

>>65270818
Work on your reading comp

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>>65270847
>So assblasted he can't even respond properly.
So because Iran can't buy new airframes... that means that their existing airframes (they have hundreds) can't be retired for some reason?

Iran also has local production of F-5 clones setup and the Camp Buehring raid was done by Kowsars.

>>65270857
The Epstein coalition were the ones conducting strikes with camera equipped drones so its their own fault for not posting evidence of the supposed total destruction of the Iranian airforce.

Yids failed so hard that they had to do their typical terrorist cope strikes by blowing up civilian airliners lmao.

>>65266298
Why would Iran put a gravity bomb on an F-5 when their balistic missiles are way more likely to make it through?

>redditors have now been reduced to zigger tier delusions.
Reminder that Iraq accomplished more on a smaller timescale.

>>65270878
I didn't say that.
Are you capable of acknowledging that
>Your "argument" is based upon a self-evident catastrophic imbalance in osint bda
?

>>65266318

You know nothing about nuclear weapons and are a typical american shitposter just blasting the board with your inane low IQ imaginations. No one uses pure fission weapons any more because fusion boosted weapons are so much more superior in every aspect due to neutron donation. F.ex the last iteration of the double ended boosted fission W33 which was a gun type weapon weighted 110 kg (of which a considerably amount was in the shell casing) and produced 40 kilotons in the Aardvark subtest during Operation Nougat. And that was in 1962. W33 designs were the base for the first 203 mm nuclear artillery shells. 40 kiloton out of a medium velocity howitzer with 17-18 km range turned out to be too much (effective range would be perhaps 10-12 km because airburst at altitude) and deployed 203 mm shells were nerfed.

If the iranians make a similar design for their missiles or as free fall bombs it would not be as heavy since it would not need the sturdiness to survive the 100 000 G shock from being launched out of a howitzer. It would be a good idea to learn about the absolutely most basic things about nuclear fission and fusion before starting to discuss nuclear weapons.

>>65270831
>The black market?
lmao

>>65270866
>Just buy the frames off Aliexpress bro
Your "black market" planes are going to be rusted hulks in a shithole that no one cares go missing.

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>>65271049
>tourists are so fucking new that they don't know why we shredded our F-14s
Hashem... the goyim are too much...

>>65271058
The planes bombed were retired Shah era airframes and Iran has local production of their F-5 clones.

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why no 313 production line?

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>>65270815
>there are still MIGApedos coping after the 300 billion instrument of surrender
4 months in and Israel still can’t take Tyre or Hormuz. Confirmed Russia of the Middle East.
>F-5 parts are rare
It’s the MiG 21 of western planes and has locally produced parts in a dozen countries https://simpleflying.com/how-many-northrop-f-5-tiger-ii-fighters-built/