Every assault rifles must evolve to AR-15
>must evolve to ArmaLiteFTFY
Most rifles are evolving into SCAR clones desu. Seems to me like AR15s themselves are evolving past AR15s, with the trend towards bufferless designs and picatinny mounted stocks, so the Scar clones probably have more of a future in the very long term, insofar as the AR15s of the future will be barely recognizable as ARs.
>>65272437The SCAR is an AR-18.
>>65272341THE CARCINISATION
>>65272341why only one american brand?
>>65272449will we humans evolve into AR platforms?
>>65272341It's like that crab thing where they all look the same, conergent evolution.
>>65272480More like devolve back into h. Erectus. Watching the trend now.
>>65272449Always knew AR-15 was a fucking crab.
>>65272341>556 platforms of other nations that are playing catchup went and copied the nation that started and further developed its original 556 platform to where it is nowWow, how shocking>>65272437>Most rifles are evolving into SCAR clonesSCAR is a derivative of the AR-18. Praise be to Eugene Stoner!>>65272450KAC is an american company
why isn't anybody trying to innovate anymore? remember the kriss super V recoil mitigation system? remember caseless ammo? why has everyone given up on the future?
>>65272545Because the computer model says we are doomed.
>>65272545Because there are tons of AR-15, its parts and accessories.
>>65272341>Every assault rifles[sic]ESL
>>65272545Because you won't buy them
>>65272545>>65272557>innovateThat's not what any of this is about. 1. Small arms don't matter, nobody cares2. Because of 1., and also post-1980s the U.S. having won the Cold War and the M16 became the most widely adopted mil rifle across the west, """"""AR-15""""" became the Kleenex Toyota Camry default """"platform"""" for procurement of all armies world wide in 21st century.None of this has *ANYTHING AT ALL* to do with technology, 'innovation', what the best rifle for the job, is. It's all about bean counter procurement cost, compatibility ease, and least common denominator.>let's use the easiest most common cheapest piece of ______ available that no one has to lift a finger to adopt-acquireThat's it that's all
>>65272341who came out with this shitty image? what's the logic of the labels if they don't organize anything? why put the battle rifle version of the scar? what the fuck is anything?
>>65272586https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Grayburn
>>65272594Grayburn doesn't have the SCAR in it, it has the ARKA, and Sako and Beretta's entries have nothing to do with eachother
>>65272440look beyond the internals. The SCAR archetype is the extruded receiver modular AR18. The construction method is the key as it set the trend.
>>65272688just copied the ACR's homework.
>>65272567That but also it’s just flat out better than all the the alternatives, and even the ones that are better are just slightly modified versions of it
>>65272695i think they're contemporary. C. 2004/2005. Either way, it is totally valid to say that the ACR and XCR stumbled so the SCAR could run. (btw if i was Robinson Arms i would genuinely stage a 3 vehicle car accident for the nigger intern that forgot to submit all materials for the trials. Actual millions lost.)
>>65272596Beretta owns sako, its essentially internal competition
>>65272698>muh flat out better DURRRRRRRRRpWrong. It's what Post (You) Replied To clearly explained That's it that's all.
>>65272769No but also the AR-15 is just superior to any other assault rifle platform currently
>>65272781How's the AR-15 superior to... let's say HK433?
>>65272795Weight, controls, felt recoil id imagine, better stock
>>65272341>Project Grayburn>SCARFN is submitting the ARKA to the competition, not the SCAR. Bong soldier were seen testing it before the gun was officially revealed
>>65272341If you had to have one and only one, and couldn't sell it, which would you take?For me, it's the NARP. Too sexy, and with a name like that you know she's too retarded to know she shouldn't put out.
>>65272879I'm leaning towards the 433
>>65272799>"i'd imagine"checked
>>65272795>>65272886The HK433 was a pretty big flop wasn't it? Been on sale for almost 10 years now and so far it only secured small contracts with the German special forces and police, plus some limited use in Ukraine.Is it just because AR-15s are trendy nowadays and people don't even consider other options? Or does it have flaws that aren't immediately obvious to us but show in serious trials?
>>65272959>gigaDerp*READ* post # 65272567 ^^^^^
>>65272967Why do you type like a gigantic faggot?
>>65272545>remember the kriss super V recoil mitigation system? What, a novelty blowback gun where it kinda pulls the gun downwards a bit in full-auto? It's an ok idea, but I can see why it's not widespread.>remember caseless ammo?Probably because caseless ammo has some benefits, and then also some pretty fucking colossal drawbacks which make it not worth it.Cased Telescopic Ammunition is a sort of better inbetween, and looks more promising, though they are still working on trying iron out the kinks of that.Beyond that, just making the casing out of a polymer is straight up doable, and it's something that's already been successfully field tested, so most likely that is going to become a common thing in time.>>65272567Wow, imagine that, people want a good rifle for a good price, so they seek out AR15s and AR18 derivatives.>>65272795AR15s are still being adopted new today, whereas the HK433 has seen almost no adoption at all by anyone. Presumably there must be something wrong with it.>>65272702Robinson DID submit those blank adapters, they were just packaged in separate boxes and the drooling retards at the DOD didn't bother checking.
>>65272970Because he's a gigantic faggot?
>>65272695The ACR has a polymer lower and is a gay nigga
>>65273096>Robinson DID submit those blank adapters, they were just packaged in separate boxes and the drooling retards at the DOD didn't bother checkingIt's clear in retrospect that the DOD always just wanted their big FN contract so someone somewhere could buy a yacht, regardless of whether or not the correct rifle was chosen. Pretty typical military contract shit, the SCAR's goofy ass got dumped from widespread use after a few years anyway so karma won in the end.
>>65272341because physics and biology don't change. but we're seeing the true next evolution in warfare right now. drones.
>>65272341>AR-15No, nobody wanted the gun that farts in your general direction, unless they got it for free and bundled with other military supplies.It's the AR-18/SCAR that won the bowl.
>>65272341For me its got to be the Beretta NARP
>>65272341Several of those are AR18s, retard.
>>65272688>AR15s are extruded receivers
>>65273211Is that why countries are still adopting new AR15s today, and the SCAR saw precious little adoption, even getting discontinued?
The thinking man's alternative to the AR15.
>>65273158...The scar has a polymer lower too. Are you retarded?
>>65273228Based illiterate
>>65272970>>65273099Why cant (You) read #65272567Not re-linking over and over to my own postFucking faggot video gamer 12-year-olds on this gay board. This 'topic' is fucking stupid
>>65272450>>65272537FN USA counts.
>>65272341Why did Beretta name a rifle Not a Real Porsche?
>>65272341>>65272795it looks like making your gun as sleek, thin and minimalistic as possible is some hidden art that you can only achieve by visually copying the AR15 visually.>g36big retarded hunk of plastic with a retarded handguard>g36 but fit inside a ar15 (hk416)feels greatwhat is it about germans and wanting to make everything out of big one-piece bricks of polymer? the end result weighs the same as a thin aluminum frame gun anyway
>>65273338The SCAR sucks too
>>65274309>g36>big retarded hunk of plastic with a retarded handguardThe G36 used to be the elite gun in media you know?
>>65274309>>65274335>G36it was nuHK's 1990s design philosophy MP7 / UMP. And the least successful overall of the three. Not a good idea for an infantry rifle to have its trunnion mounted in polymer receiver. (It's not as critical in the pdw that has magazine-in-grip and much smaller dimension, or in a pistol caliber submachine gun that doesn't even shoot to longer ranges; for both of those smaller firearms the light weight and durability of polymer receiver makes sense and works well)
>>65273878You have literally made no argument for why the HK433 is actually supposed to be better than anything. Faggot.
>>65274343i assume the vibe was that the new polymers seemed like a true wonder material for them, so they used as much of it as possible. and they made sure to stack it on thick and loose for structural integrity and heat dissipationi think militaries would still be using more guns like the g36, but i think the arms development/acquisition hivemind has become focused on looking at whatever the highest echelon delta force operator types like using and trickling that down to every grunt and office worker. hence now every military is adopting less retard proof and cheap rifles and more high speed low drag operator gear
figure out how to make a small projectile go even faster while keeping a package the average retard can operate and you will have the next big thing. until then it's AR city baby.
>>65272815one on the right actually looks like the LICC
Why everything soulful must perish in the process of the great military homogenization?
>>65274349>literallyback to plebbit
>>65274437because globohomo does in fact exist. now get ready for your daily corn syrup doses
>>65274388checked, back in the '90s polymer was wunderstuff. (Now, Smith & Wesson, Walther are making metal pistols that 'simulate' a polymer frame one) As regards 'why' / what is the best tool for the job / procurement decisions it's # 65272567 <---
>>65274437>>65274444>globohomogenizationquads checked and correct
Americans are the biggest market for guns and they won't use anything else.
>>65274309Doesn't really help that between the Ak and the Ar, they are the most conventional looking 'gun' guns that any child starts drawing age 5. You have to put serious effort into making anything look distinctive, often at cost to something else.
>>65274439Ah, it's you again, you should kill yourself.
>>65274447this guy gets it, modern military rifles are pure slop>short barrel 556 so you get shit ballistics and no range>fatass barrel profile so it's front heavy for no good reason>always runs like shit suppressed so you get lung cancer>non ambi controls and ejection (the aug did this in the 70s btw)>retarded handguard designs that burn your fingers despite weighing a tonwe need someone to fuck up the market like Glock did with pistols or we'll be stuck with this dogshit
>>65274586>search Glock rifle>it's just a variant of AR-15Wake me up (I can't wake up!)
>>65274572>pledditormald
>>65274586the M16 / SP1 was already perfection (as to the 'AR platform') and remains so.Other """"platforms"""" existed, and exist, as well
>>65274586so use a 16-20 inch pencil barrel on the PSA lefty receiver with an ambi lower
>>65274586IF U R WRONG HANDED M14 CONTROLS WORK GREAT EJECTION TOO NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH GAS EITHR ... MINI 14 IF U WANT A POODLE SHOOTER OR MINI 30 IF UR A PINKO OR LIKE BLACK OUT 4 SUM REASON-Bob-------------------------------------------------------------"Big" Bob LeMonpartéProud NEAR-VIETNAM VETERANUSAF 1978-1978New Jersey National Guard Tryouts 1981UAW Local 1183 1981-2007Lot Porter at Haywood Jablome Chevrolet 2011-PresentSay NO to mattel plastic guns!
>>65274331Do you even read what you're responding to?
>>65274959Every once in a while.
>>65272480No. Into crabs.
>>65273158YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH
>>65274586everything you listed has been or can be fixed.>we need someone to fuck up the market like Glock did with pistolsthat's what the AR is. it's the Glock of rifles, everyone is copying it and no one is making anything "new".
>>65275297>Glock of riflesyeah but the two are not really comparable mechanically technically history or engineering-wise.The only way it's the 'glock of rifles' is in the mass consumer/mil procurement adoption Kleenex Toyota Camry market sense. Otherwise neither firearm has any common characteristic, nor did either arrive at being the "consumer standard issue" by same pathways.What they do share, is that from 1990-forward when mass globalized standardization of firearm adoption by mil and Law Enforcement was in full swing, each of them became the bean counter's choice. They were each in position at the right time (the M16 because of the collapse of Soviet Union) That's it that's all
>>65274586>>short barrel 556 so you get shit ballistics and no rangeYou get great ballistics and range with a 14.5" barrel you niggerfaggot.
>>65273265TrueYou want one of my flat cheek pieces?>>65274413I have a feeling there will be a reckoning when it comes to HICAR level performance. Need a stronger bolt to keep up with those pressures
>>65274676kek
>>65277074it's the only good post itt
>>65272341I like the grip on the Beretta NARP and it is basically a modern AR18 or a more workable Sig MCX.
>>65272545>why has everyone given up on the futureIf you had been around in 1917, you would have been complaining endlessly about how everyone was copying the mauser action and noone is trying to innovate. People are trying, its hard to create something that supersedes the current efficiency and practicality of the AR platform at this time. Material sciences is catching up
>>65276238If only there was a rifle with a stronger bolt of some kind.
>>65272795for one it's not hk
>>65278145Wrong.
