aren't kinzhal missiles supposed to be patriot-proof?
>>65274492based
>>65274492They were for a minute but then windows pushed an update and they aren’t anymore
>>65274492Theoretically speaking you can intercept any projectile if you know its exact course and speed, and the Kinzhal is incapable of maneuvering in its terminal stage...
I remember a /pol/troon claiming this footage of a hypsersanic missile splashing down in kyiv was actually a defective patriot.
>>65274553so do you tell the EOD guys to put on a scuba suit or do you leave that thing there?
>>65274564I think they pulled it out of the water.
>>65274564>do you leave that thing thereNo. If you do that than its basically an underwater mine that could potential sink a ship that's passing over it. You can either blow it up underwater or pull it out as the other anon said.
it's Patriot resistant
>>65274492if it's like the iskander then 70% to 94% should make it through
>>65274653>if it's like the iskander then 70% to 94% should make it throughThe intercept rate was>2/3 khinzal sanics intercepted>2/2 Iskander Ms intercepted There's some doubt about whether the third Khinzal was intercepted, sources conflict. If it did get through, it hit an unidentified warehouse (presumably intentionally) which is on fire. If not, that's debris hitting a random building which happens to be some random warehouse and now there's going to be a temporary pickle shortage or something.
>>65274664>>iskanders usually make it through>NUH UH this time two iskanders didn't I suggest repeating middle school math
>>65274689Don't be defensive, you posted an estimate, I just stated the specific numbers without implications.In other news, tonight's counterstrike seems to be going for Sevastopol, Kerch Strait, and Moscow.
>>65274689>iskanders usually make it through>whenever there's no patriots involvedftfy, ziggie.i suggest dilating with the nearest bottle.
>>65274707>200-400 drones by Russian estimatesUkrainian sources say that they're overflying the bridge to attack Krasnodar Krai without any losses from bridge air defences.
>>65274492So can some MIGAt explain to me why we needed to stop sending Ukraine patriots and THAADS to defend themselves?
>>65274492I'm asking you to send more missiles.We're running out of them.
>>65274707how come they never seem to attack rostov?
>>65274782Year ago.
>>65274758Isn't the current redditor/thirdie narrative about how patriots are actually useless.
>>65274747>Ukrainian sources say that they're overflying the bridge to attack Krasnodar Krai without any losses from bridge air defences.I'll say it again and again: The Crimea bridge should have been built as a bridge tunnel.
>>65274805Forgot pic.
>>65274758Because we don’t currently have enough for ourselves or the huge number of other countries that need more, and while production expansion seems to be off to a good start we are half a decade out from comfortably being able to be as loose with their usage as we have the last few years
>>65274492Not kinzhal. Missiles are clearly subsonic. A person with a camera wouldnt be able to pan fast enough to track a real hypersonic.
>>65274848>A person with a camera wouldnt be able to pan fast enough to track a real hypersonic.Did you even do middle school maths? You can easily track a hypersonic with a camera in clear weather from a distance.
>>652748802025 Patriot production was ~620 interceptors. Meaning if 52 or more are used per month production is exceeded and stocks are eaten into. Just supplying Ukraine a useful number of interceptors is beyond current capacity, to say nothing of supplying other FMS customers, upcoming US Navy buys as it is integrated into Aegis, and replacing already depleted stocks from Middle Eastern conflicts in the previous years. Iran isn’t a new conflict either, this is an extension of what’s been going on for years at this point, though tragically the last two administrations have been faggots who are unwilling to stomach the civilian casualties necessary to actually win a war through an air campaign alone. Which, for context based off the only successful one against Japan is somewhere in the ballpark of 100k dead per month.
>>65274910Most of your post is dislocated from reality, but the part about civilian casualties especially. There's no number of civcas that will bring Iran to surrender. Air power never brings nations to surrender, it only hardens their resolve when it's tried. You can use it to degrade capabilities and set the conditions for manouevre, but it is fundamentally incapable of winning wars by any means other that strategic exchange, and even that is dubious in the long run. I will have this conversation with you, or someone like you, next war. GLHF bending wills and achieving strategic ends from 30k feet and standoff.
>>65274964>Air power never brings nations to surrenderNTA; but Serbia.
>>65274964Air power broke Germany. Invasion was still needed, but let's not pretend that your enemy gets stronger when their factories are smoking craters.
>>65274964Japan was won with strategic air power, the nukes were a method to allow them to save face. They could not have lasted beyond winter ‘45 because the entire country was going to begin starving to death within months. If the war had not ended when it did millions would have starved to death. A 1-2 month delay in US food aid means millions die. A 3+ month delay in food aid shipments means double digit millions die. Air power can and has won wars, however the human cost is astronomical. But that’s just wars generally, they cannot be won bloodlessly.
>>65274986>Air power broke Germany.Lack of resources (metals, but mostly fuel) and lend-lease powered soviet union broke Germany. Their military production grew pretty much all the way until they went kaput.
>>65275063Give it up for state funded education, everyone
>>65274986>Air power broke GermanyIt did not and no one who has ever studied WWII or air power has concluded that strategic bombing against Germany was decisive.
>>65275056This is also not the conclusion that any serious historian or air power theorist has reached. The allies were going to invade the mainland.
>>65274707>ukraine is launching drone award at Moscow and Kerch on a pretty much nightly basis Important rear objects status???
>>65275089I consider mining by strategic bomber to fall under the umbrella of strategic bombing. https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1959/november/japans-nightmare-mine-blockadeIf you read the whole thing there’s a bit at the end where Japanese civilian leaders are quoting a likely death toll of 7 million. Coronet was never a certainty either, as the date drew closer Navy opposition grew. Simply waiting them out was becoming a more attractive option as War Department casualty estimates continued to trend higher.
>>65275085The decisive part was the industrial mismatch, correct, but Germany having to put more 88s in the homeland then they did on the field to stop the Allies from bombing them into the ground was not helping the Reich with that balance.>>65274964If the US was willing to tank the PR of causing a humanitarian crisis, they could shut down all power in Iran above the level of a gas generator, which would largely preclude Iran from doing anything beyond firing their existent stocks of weapons, with zero capability to replace them, and then seething in their desert shithole until they either starve or surrender. Air power is capable of neutering nations to the point that they either come to the negotiating table or die, especially in the modern era.
>>65275119>not helping the Reich with that balanceThe wooshing of goalposts in flat retreat. All the way from the lofty heights of "forced surrender" to "forced a reallocation of resources".>they could shut down all power in Iran above the level of a gas generatorThis is fantasy. I have heard all these things before, and they were wrong then as well. Bombing targets are more adaptable and determined than airpower theorists are ever prepared to countenance. Even if you did, their entire time you bombed then you'd simply be hardening their hatred of you and steeling their will, not breaking or bending it. The moment you stopped bombing, they'd start rebuilding the capability to resist you and impose cost on you again.Air. Power. Cannot. Impose. Will.Air power is not fit alone as a tool of strategy. And it never will be. It is fundamentally incapable of achieving the ends of strategy, because while you can transiently degrade the capability of a state with doing so never breaks the will of nations and nearly always hardens it against your ends.
>>65275114That reads like PR copy from the Mine Manufacturers of America.
>>65274711Don't be too hard on them, after all these are the morons who are currently using as the /chug/ OP image Tanya Degurechaff, a character who has an entire movie devoted to her using airpower to blow up Moscow.
>>65275243https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2006/R1322.pdf
>>65275114>>65275243on the internet, nobody knows you're an air dropped minefield
>>65274553That's a tractor
>>65274782>how come they never seem to attack rostov?Your question is about why it seems that way.The answer is that it seems that way because you aren't paying attention. It got hit a few times, an airfield was hosting aircraft and sneeds, the port has been attacked. I guess Russia pulled assets back from there and current priority targets are elsewhere.
>>65274805>The Crimea bridge should have been built as a bridge tunnelThat wouldn't have fulfilled some of the objectives of the bridge, which was to restrict shipping.
>>65275422Fair enough. Then again, the only "major" Ukrainian port on the Sea of Azov is Mariupol, no? Not exactly home to a major container terminal.
>>65275219Air power does not need to break will, starvation and drought will do that, my little retarded friend. Air power prevents them from doing a single thing to force you to rush and engage them to prevent them from inflicting damage to things you care about while they're in the process of starving. The fact that you deny this was exactly happened with Japan is fucking hilarious when the general consensus was that the nukes gave the Emperor a face saving way to convince the hardliners that dying as a country wasn't a productive way to go, while they were already starving.As to Germany, they lost the moment they pissed off the Americans, and it was all a question of how much kicking and screaming they were going to do so there was no single decisive aspect to the war because it was a foregone conclusion when you have a massive industrial base on one side, and the other is incapable of matching their output nor damaging their capability to utilize it because they're across an ocean. There was no decisive element to the German front because the US could have made fucking anything and eventually crushed the Huns under the sheer weight of steel and high explosives, but acting as though the air campaign, which was already very different from strategic targeted strikes by a modern military, weren't a critical aspect of destroying German warfighting capability through both direct and indirect damage is incredibly fucking stupid.
>>65275430>Then again, the only "major" Ukrainian port on the Sea of Azov is Mariupol, no? Not exactly home to a major container terminal.Mariupol was indeed the target. It's port has been a strategic objective of both sides since the war began. I can't speak to how large the terminal is but war strategists in both sides seem to care about it a lot.
>>65275442Let me rephrase: with the shallow draft of the Sea of Azov, alongside the comparative lack of major shipping ports on its coastline; the decision to build the Crimea Bridge as a bridge and not a bride-tunnel was almost 100% for sure a cost and time saving measure.
>>65275448Mariupol's port was a big vector for metallurgy export IIRC
>>65275447>win a war through an air campaign alonekind of sad to see people keep making this mistake when combined arms have been a thing since forever
>>65275449There's two parallel yet separate objectives at play here. Russia's desire to connect Crimea more concretely, if you'll forgive the pun, to the Russian mainland. Russia's desire to hinder Mariupol's port trade. Russia didn't need to build a bridge to stop ship traffic. They could always (after 2014) just play fuck-fuck games.
>>65275435America’s global position is predicted on control over world shipping lanes. The Iran deal was retarded because it allowed Iran access to all the money it used to build the weapons to threaten those shipping lanes, as well as funding proxies in Iraq and Syria. Obama era foreign policy was abysmally shortsighted in every respect, and is primarily responsible for the challenges faced by the Biden and Trump administrations. Air power can and has one wars without ground troops. However it cannot win them cleanly with targeted strikes against only military targets. To win a war with air power requires the wholesale destruction of a country’s vital energy and transportation infrastructure, which as a consequence generates massive numbers of civilian casualties. Note that Yemen never managed to pose a threat to world shipping when the Saudis and Emiratis had them under air and sea blockade and in a state of famine. Tragically that blockade was lifted. I would happily see the entire Middle East depopulated, Jew and Muslim alike. They are fundamentally incompatible with modern civilization, and has been proven time and again no amount of education or favorable treaty arrangements will ever change that. The world would be better off if they all joined the Russians in hell.
>>65275460Air power failed to fully destroy Iranian drone and missile systems, leaving the notoriously risk-averse shipping insurance companies at great risk. Because of that, going all out against Iran's power and oil infrastructures wasn't a choice because Iran could retaliate against the Gulf States' own infrastructures using their drones and missiles that the Air Force failed to neutralize. And we haven't mentioned the disastrous effect it would have on global oil price.Combined arms is a thing, and the war in Iran was badly planned at the start
>>65274492Chink and russian bots got quit really quick when those falling from the sky, remember the incessant hyperpooper spam here and on /pol/ a couple of years ago?
>>65275471Air power was never going to succeed in destroying those things, especially when it was targeting their stockpiles and not the infrastructure that supports the industrial society producing them. I agree that in the scenario I prefer the gulf states would have been severely damaged. However I also believe even a massive several year long disruption in gulf oil production would have been preferable to the situation that has been created now, which is very possibly going to be the death of global free trade. This go along to get along attitude popular among the politicians is as always leading to the next great global crisis. That someone who wants to be a threat tomorrow isn’t able to be one today is no reason not to go for their throat. Failing to do that has created the next generation of problems, as we can see today with Iran, Russia, and China. The best time to kick a man is when he is down, you should do it so hard and so often that he can never stand up.
>>65274497lol>>65274492they never werethe Kinzhal is shitty enough that defence observers are now pushing to make the term "aero-ballistic missile" meaning "air-launched ballistic missile" official, because calling a Kinzhal a ballistic missile implies unrealistic expectations of its performance>>65274564that's a pretty small body of water so yes, you should in fact attempt to recover a potentially valuable bit of enemy hardware for analysis>>65274653>lies, damned lies, and statisticsaccording to CSIS, 36% of all Kinzhals were intercepted since Patriot deployment in Ukraine (none of the first few attacks, before Patriot, were intercepted)this figure includes all Kinzhal attacks even on areas that were not covered by Patriot missiles, so the actual interception probability is actually higher>>65274910ignore the seething mudslimes trying to whataboutmyjihadthey don't actually care about Ukraine or America, in fact they regularly decry America as the Great Satan and chant "death to Americans"they never sided with America against any of their own brownie mudslimes terroristsin fact, terrorism as a tactic isn't even out of the question, they only ever offer up excuses and whataboutisms as justifications for the tacticthey will never ever EVER convict their own people, let alone prevent them, for carrying out warcrimesall of which adds up to the simple fact: they only (pretend to) "care" about warcrimes to tie the hands of their enemies, while gleefully engaging in it themselves when it is tactically convenientthe rule is, only bother with global brownies after they have first forwarded their own bona fides in restricting their own behaviourthat's the law we laid down on e.g. the Japs and Worst Koreans, and even the ex-Nazis, before allying with them
>>65275473It's amazing how fast they turned conversation in this thread to kvetching about the US, isn't it?No one even noticed that the bots are talking to each other about US policy instead of Russian failures.
>>65275519yupand the post that kicked it off was ranting about Israel, of courseit's always the same mudslime botwho might well actually be Iranian, given the extent of Iranian socmed botting that was revealed during the riots
>>65275473Just another day on /k/, really.Cannot wait for "the mobilization" followed by videos of full squads being hit again. Really miss the daily videos of BMP desants getting droned, watching with my morning Monster in 2023 was always the shit.
>>65275498The Red Sea situation with the Houthis was effectively Iran beta testing for Hormuz. The second they got off with a relative slap on the wrist it was an inevitability. If they’d been thrown back to the worst days of the blockade instead maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation. I’m not defending Trump. He is a faggot who is obsessed with his own self perception as a deal maker. Limited strikes into a negotiated deal was only ever going to create a bigger problem for the next decade, same as every other deal we struck with any of our adversaries previously. This perception popular in some Washington circles that because they have semi regular protests the whole country wants to be our friend is asinine. Iran wants to be an Islamic theocracy, that is why it has been one for half a century. I believe it should be completely crippled and kept in that state permanently. The war was lost when their light switches and water taps still worked two weeks in. The last island that needed to be captured to defeat Japan was Tinian. Everything after that was killing time for the B-29s to be ready. Nothing done on Iwo Jima or Okinawa materially shortened the war. Submarines were useful but the air mining campaign was decisive while the fire bombing campaign was overall more destructive than the nukes. I have no interest in keeping a single boot in the Middle East. I don’t have a party line either. You cannot maintain any civilization without water. Iran’s major water infrastructure could be completely crippled inside a month just using the B-2s from Whiteman. It could be kept in that state indefinitely.
>>65275547>all of this applies to Israel as wellthey stopped warcriming when we asked them to>cut all military aid to Israel and let them fight their own warswe already did that once. they decided to accept the Pax Americana and since then have been pretty good boys>bbbbbut whatabout USSthe occasional mistake happensweigh that on a scale alongside the terrorist attacks carried out by their opponentsin fact, ANY accusation of warcriming against the Israelis, put that on the scales of justice next to what their enemies have done, not just to each other but also to themselves and to US>Israel has yet to do literally anything to help Ukrainehumanitarian aid and intel on Iranian dronesyou conveniently forgot that Iran aided Russia AGAINST Ukraine
>>65275547>IDF vets fighting Russia and free arms>"Israel has yet to do literally anything to help Ukraine"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
Woww it's awesome. Fireworks
>>65275547>I don't give a shit about either side but all of this applies to Ukraine as well. You should probably stop glazing hohols if you actually care about Israel. Unlike Israelis, Ukrainians do not understand gratitude and you're just a useful idiot to them, not a friend. Ukraine and Iran share much more in common (entitlement to other people's land, constantly lying, being bad neighbors, ect) and Ukraine has yet to do literally anything to help Israel and America sending them their weapons fucks over Israel to a massive degree.>The correct answer is to pull all American assets out of Europe, cut all military aid to Ukraine and let them fight their own wars, and send that money to Israel instead. Anyone who suggests helping Ukraine is anti-Israel in my book because they are mutually exclusive. Also combat footage from Ukraine is boring af.You can see how specious and shallow these arguments are if you just flip them on their headremember that all arguments must be sound BOTH internally as well as in contextrationale is absolute. even in instances of mercy, if allowances are made, they must be made to equal degree and for the same reasonif the reasoning changes when the context changes, it is a sign of moral relativism, which is flawedthis particular argument is also endemic of Iranian bots, and global turdie thinking in general, because every argument is structured on false dichotomy and false equivalence fallacies, which reveals their own thinking: "you are either with us or against us, and there can be no compromise"this is the mind of a mudslimeremember the signs
>>65274983The Serbs were already on the backfoot when the US intervened. If they had waited another year, the Bosnian Serbs would have been forced into unconditional surrender.
>>65275536>there's no wounds on those guys>is this that prank reel with the napping soldiers as casualties?Oh, nvm
>>65275568That limp waisted foreign policy is what made this problem grow out of hand. The prior diplomacy is what gave them all the money to cause all those problems and build their proxy network from the Syrian civil war onwards. Of course they loved it, they got everything they wanted and used it to cause huge problems for everyone. I don’t give a shit about moral high ground, it doesn’t matter. The Azeris just did a massive ethnic cleansing. Nobody really gives a shit because the other guy was on the wrong team. That’s how it works when shit starts getting serious, which is where we are. Also, Iran stirred up this shit in 2023, everything since then has been a continuation with intermissions during election seasons. They act like niggers but I’m not going to buy into their dindu nuthin act after their most recent swing at the kikes when they thought everyone was distracted ended with half their proxy network collapsing Also retard Operation Starvation was planned by the Navy but the actual job of laying the damn mines was accomplished principally by B-29s. I don’t give a shit who wrote the orders it was air power in action
>>65275555>>IDF vets fighting Russia and free armsThat's not the state, it's jews descended from refuseniks or resentful of Russian fake-jews and wanting an excuse to kill Russians
>>65275626Operation Starvation was specifically the air dropped mining operation. It is not the name for the entire campaign against Japanese merchant shipping. In the roughly five months it was active it accounted for a higher proportion of Japanese shipping losses than the submarines. It also had the strongest influence on the creation of famine conditions in Japan, as it was most devastating to the smaller ships that handled only inter island logistics. Japan still in theory produced enough calories to feed its population at a low subsistence level in mid/late 1945, but it was unable to properly transport it in the largest part because of the ever present threat of mines. The submarines were most important in the latter phase of the island hopping campaign after the torpedo issues had been worked out, and in cutting Japan off from the rest of the empire. This was a great help in getting the strategic bombers into range. However, this is not a concern we have against Iran. Bombers based in the American heartland can and have struck them directly. There is no need for a protracted submarine campaign against Iran, and indeed their attack against Iran’s Navy was effectively showboating. Similarly, there is no need for a protracted ground campaign. Iran can be crippled from the air just as Japan was in the final phase of the war, because Iran is already in range of strategic bombers and can be effectively blockaded. As regards Iran funding, Congressional opposition to loosened sanctions and reconstruction funds is founded on the basis that we have exactly how they spent it last time. Take it up with the intelligence subcommittees and ask for a script that has arguments beyond screeching about the kikes
>>65275473>thats not a khinzal warhead because it just isnt okay?
>>65274833>Because we don’t currently have enough for ourselves*Israel don't have enough.
>>65275651As if you don't sell them to a number of arabic nations that got hit by Iran after your retarded escapade.
>>65275587And what are your excuses for islamist terrorism?
>>65275665What are your excuses for christian terrorism?
israel sent patriots to ukraine, saying they don't help or that they are pro russia is cope of propalestian lefties.
>>65275682>israel sent patriots to ukraineThey did not.
>>65275682>saying they don't help or that they are pro russia is cope of propalestian leftiesUh-huh. I guess after people kept pointing out facts like;1. Putin is Jewish; by blood. Because his mother was Jewish meaning he ranks higher than Zelensky in their eyes2. Putin's daughter married a Jew.3. Putin has Jewish awards4. The second most common nationality in Israel, after Israeli, is Russian5. Israel has sent no aid to Ukraine6. Israel told Ukraine to surrenderHas upset /pol/ and their ilk so much they're desperately trying to change the narrative despite the 4 years of proof.
>>65275695The goal is not to recreate Meetinghouse. The goal is to inflict a similar level of casualties with fewer airframes. If you are willing to stomach that and all that comes with it you do so by targeting the important water infrastructure. That begins a running clock wherein the options are unconditional surrender and beg for aid, or accept mass death. Iran does not need a major land and naval campaign to set up the conditions for strategic bombers to deliver the coup de grâce. It is already in that vulnerable position. You do not need to level everything. If you dry them out, they will turn to dust and blow away. They are already in a major water crisis, all you need to do is exacerbate the existing vulnerability
>>65275695>never been a war won only from the air1999 NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia .1971 Indo-Pakistani War
>>65275671Christians created the humanitarian laws and the concept of "terrorism as a sin" in the first place>>65275695>le both sidesmmhmm
>>65275718>t. seething shill appearing to furiously deny jihadism
>>65275718>To my knowledge there isn't a single country that is actually culturally friendly with IsraelGeorgians like them.Historical grudges with Muslim neighbours to south are probably to blame.
>>65275722>1999 NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia .Yugoslavia surrendered because Russia told them to. Air power theorists are kidding themselves on this one. Imagine if a few weeks into the Korean War Russia and China refused support, told North Korea to return to the border because they wanted western gibs, the norks complied, and then air power theorists gloated that air power single handedly won the war afterwards. That's Yugoslavia's contribution to the history of air power theorists lying through their teeth about the limits of air power.>1971 Indo-Pakistani WarWut? That war was dominated by rapid ground manouevre. Air power enabled this, but certainly did not win anything on its own.
>>65274833I see everyone forgot there are 600 patriots produced in a low number year when nothing is going on and we used 30 PAC-3 against Iran.The others fired an additional 760 supplied years ago. So less than 2 years production and using first run PAC-3 for the most part.>>6527491052 a month against who? Who is eating up more than Iran did?2k patriots fired from 2023 to now. Across all conflicts, coming from a stockpile of some rumored 16,000.Bare numbers suggest we could have 27k of them by the way even though this is a guess and also classified.
>>65275063>I have never seen the 600 krautnigger tank theft threadsAnon, everyone uses ersatz tanks made from the enemy's captured hulls! It makes logistics fun!
>>65275717>That begins a running clock wherein the options are unconditional surrender and beg for aid, or accept mass death.Even if it would cause mass death, ie the Iranians couldn't adapt (which I sincerely doubt), what happens when they don't surrender? Not if they don't surrender - when they don't. Your actions would line up every dissenter in Iran behind the regime. Every person would hate you with every fibre of their being. And what now?You're just describing the 500th way you can break something from 30k ft and make everyone near the impact even less inclined to comply with your wishes. Do you think everyone who tells you air power isn't a decisive strategic tool is too kind or not creative enough to think of these courses of action? You people are so arrogant it's wild. Land power proponents were sewing up Hindu insurgents in cow carcasses and covering the Muslim ones in pigs blood before their executions, while deliberately leaving lone survivors to tell about it generations before Billy Mitchell and Arthur Harris were a twinkle in their mother's eyes. We don't tell you that being cruel from the air doesn't work because we're too soft or stupid to recognise your genius, we tell you it because we are institutionally equipped to understand people and war far better than you and know that impersonal violence doesn't break the will to fight, and usually does the opposite absent more personal and direct coercion.
>>65275686yes they did. do you have any particular reason to just lie about it? even if you hate jews and want israel destroyed or whatever, doesn't mean you need to deny reality.
>>65274767free cruise missile
>>65275692> I guess after people kept pointing out facts like;>posts bunch of /pol/ schizobabbleare you saying /pol/ just upset itself somehow? i'd assume you're just sarcastic but problem with poltards like you is that you might be serious
>>65274880How's the weather in islam a bad?
I mean, what even is the promise here?>if you let us destroy Israel, we will pull back all our undocumented migrant invaders from the West, stop demanding sharia law, stop knifing and raping and hijacking and truck of peace attacks, stop abusing women and children, and help you defeat Iran, China, Russia and North Korea?is that really the offer here?I'm struggling to understand what jihadis are putting on the table
>>65275925>I'm struggling to understand what jihadis are putting on the tableGiving Trump a headline and a way out,Nominating him for the Peace Prize?
>>65275671Oh look a redditor
>>65275606>Israel reportedly met with Ukrainian diplomats on Tuesday to discuss a weapons transfer. Since then, US military cargo planes have been tracked flying from Israel to an airbase in eastern Poland.>“There are signs that Israel has begun supplying Ukraine with Soviet and Russian-made weapons,” Two Majors, a pro-Russia military blog on the Telegram social messaging site, told its 1.2 million subscribers on Sunday.>It posted photos of dozens of shoulder-mounted missiles laid out on hard-baked ground, as well as two screengrabs of a US military plane flying from Ramstein airbase in Germany to Hatzerim airbase in Israel and then to Rzeszów in Poland, near the border with Ukraine.>Around 60 per cent of the weapons captured by Israel during the fight with Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2024 were made by the Soviet Union and Russia, according to reports.>These include sniper rifles and modern Kornet anti-tank missiles given to Hezbollah by Syria, which had been a staunch ally of Russia under Bashar al-Assad’s regime.>It comes after the Ukrainian embassy thanked Sharren Haskel, Israel’s deputy foreign minister, for asking the Israeli parliament to approve sending the captured weapons to Ukraine.>“It is noted that this initiative would be an important step in recognising the common threats facing both countries. The Ukrainian side expressed hopes for a positive solution to this issue,” the Ukrainian embassy said.>The weapons transfer deal was a private proposal initiated by Ms Haskel, according to the Jerusalem Post.>Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, also met with his Israeli counterpart Isaac Herzog this week “to discuss important issues related to the cooperation between Ukraine and Israel”.>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/26/israel-sends-weapons-captured-from-lebanon-to-ukraine/Israel has supplied Russia's proxies' own weapons to Ukraine for removing vatinks. Why lie?
>>65276366I like how everyone is using this war as an opportunity to empty out their Soviet-era stockpiles.
>>65274848> A person with a camera wouldnt be able to pan fast enough to track a real hypersonic.They are tracking patriot missiles.
>>65275816>they can adapt to not having any water in a desertNo, they really can’t. I’ll tell you what happens if you hit it hard, and that’s a massive humanitarian and refugee crisis. Iran is very arid, and they are already robbing Peter to pay Paul with their current water policy. There is not enough to go around, and they’re already draining the aquifers to the point where they’ve had serious discussions about needing to displace people from Tehran because the situation is already unsustainable. People need to eat, and people really need to drink, there is no adapting to needing water for 10 million and having it for 1 million. You can’t jihad your way out of your body ceasing to function because you are completely dehydrated.
>>65275665NTA, but the entire reason Iran devolved into a militant theocracy was because of the ridiculous escapade of deposing Mossedegh and trying to replace a functioning democracy with an illegitimate monarchy.
>>65276436every army's bean-counters suddenly got the Deal Of A Lifetime, all because of the incompatibility of both belligerents' inventories with modern gearsuddenly all the 70s-era bullshit that was going to be barely worth the scrap metal became actually saleableit must've felt like, I dunno, finding out that your shitty Common Pokémon cards from 1999 are suddenly collector's items
>>65276638Russia buying back shit so obsolete that even the Norks don't want it so that the Norks can build an entirely new army of western style equipment is especially funny.
>>65276520>a functioning democracythat was voting Sovietand that was largely a one-way street, because either the Russians or Chinese would make sure they never not voted Soviet ever againhere in my country, Iran is held up as a great example of the mice voting in the cats for leaders(and 99% of the population didn't even read Animal Farm)I still don't know how to feel about that, personallyupholding the principles of democracy is one thing, but do you draw the line at preventing people from voting in a tyrannical government that you know will gerrymander the process so that they never lose in future?American discourse on the subject is suspectI think Americans especially those who've never lived anywhere outside CONUS don't have a sense of danger at all, being comparably sheltered by living on their massive and prosperous semi-island fortressfor the rest of us, Soviet Domino Theory was not theory at all, but terrifyingly realmy country was in the path of the Dominoes and we had our tiny Communist insurgencies and it was bad enoughwhile American kids were saying Make Love Not War and drugging themselves in the Summer Of Love, the rest of us were preparing for the collapse of our governments and knowing there was fuck-all we could do about itit makes me want to slap the hell out of Western leftistsespecially people like Chomsky and CorbynI want to slap them over and over while telling them it's the Will Of The People so just deal with it
>>65274758Because our jewish masters need them nafo troon.
>>65276638>couple of days ago>mate telling me how he's selling his pokemon card collection>looks like he'll get ~$10k for it>my gf jumps into the convo>she literally worked at nintendo 25 years ago>got given a heap of staff cards while working there>threw them in the bin the day she gott themI can't give her too much shit, I sold 2,000 ETH for $20k.
>>65274983Technically, it was Yeltsin being pressured into abandoning them that got them to capitulate. The side effect was Putin coming into power.
>>65277474What kind of support were the Russians giving Serbia anyways?
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>>65274983HEYThey shot down one stealth jet. A Herculean task
>>65277555This reminds me, I haven’t seen Man Dick come shit up the board in a good while, what happened to him? Died of zegro cum overdose?
>>65276520sounds exactly like the jewish theocracy in israel
>>65276478>I’ll tell you what happens if you hit it hard, and that’s a massive humanitarian and refugee crisis.At worst, but the same reasoning also said that air interdiction meant the North couldn't supply forces in South Vietnam because a dozen things about the Ho Chi Mihn trail were "completely impossible" from the perspective of air planners.But at worst, then what? You haven't told me how a significant proportion of Iran's population dying from lack of water meets strategic ends. When they do not surrender when you murdered all those people what will you do? You think you can win by steeling your jaw and saying "This awful thing must be done to prevent more suffering if we don't" but it you don't think adversaries can do that when you galvanise their society against you with some ill considered atrocity. So what then? That's what I asked, and now you tell me.
>>65277774The thing is Israel and the USA were absolutely sure they could start an armed uprising via dissidents and disenfranchised ethnic groups which is almost surely true. Trump vetoed it because he thought they would be slaughtered pointlessly, he is oddly adverse to civilian deaths.Having 'a significant proportion of Iran's population dying from lack of water' would help that uprising immensely. If we inflicted that level of hardship on them the civil government/Army would most likely come to blows with the IRGC/clerics then we would have had the best possible outcome. Kurdish insurgency, mass civilian deaths, Turkish intervention, ISIS and the Taliban, basically Syria on steroids. It would be a generation or two before they were a problem again (like Iraq) and there would be the added bonus of the refuges destabilizing all the nearby nations for at least a decade. >when you galvanise their society against youSo what? Look at Syria and Libya, half of them are dead or barely surviving and the other half are trying to murder each other so problem solved!
>>65277835>adverse to civilian deaths*averse
>>65277835>If we inflicted that level of hardship on them the civil government/Army would most likely come to blows with the IRGC/clerics then we would have had the best possible outcome. Kurdish insurgency, mass civilian deaths, Turkish intervention, ISIS and the Taliban,I don't think that's what happens at all. Most likely the IRGC and clerics are better aligned by your action than they started. Iranian society Keeps Calm and Carries On. The various insurgent and dissident factions are pushed further onto the periphery just for logistical reasons, and more of society hardens around the regime than before. Syria, let alone a hypothetical omegaSyria, didn't happen because the Great Satan united all of Syrian, Kurdish and Iraqi society against them as a clearly recognised and external threat with a silly atrocity. If you want to fuck with a utility like water supply to apply social, logistic or diplomatic pressure against the regime then you can't use air power to do it because you absolutely need it to not be seen as the party who did it. Ideally no party should be responsible for it. It should seem like misfortune.
