Can spinning attacks work IRL?
>>65276353Maybe if you're cutting up a bunch of defenseless civilians.
why is he larping as a german?
>>65276353Isn't this shit historically for VIP protection, like blocking off muggers or assaains in an alleyway or scaring off a pissed off crowd of peasants?
>>65276416Yes. Spinning or doing any retarded martial art is generally useless against basic sword training. The second you turn around like that is the exact second you get stabbed in the calf and then subsequently die. Most Asian martial arts are all about being performaively cool or sport vs. doing any actual real combat, and the same is true for spintards. If this guy ever faced a polearm of any type he'd be fucked.
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>>65276353Spinning, as in showing your back to the opponent, is completely impractical at best, a ticket to the grave at worstSpinning your sword like that however is a historical tactic of big sword users to deny the enemy proximity to you
>>65276461>Showing your back to the opponent is impractical BUT...
>>65276469Are you retarded?
>>65276469You felt smart when you typed this?
>>65276353>>65276450https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZoEnKpv_8oVideo on this exact topic. Thread over, discussion over, no more talking.
>>65276353Only when people lose their thinking mind and can't understand when to keep space and when to keep pressure.MMA guys getting ack'd from spin moves is among the best study examples.In a "perfect world" any spin in single combat is a massive mistake.
>>65276353Yes.>>65276653Correct. TL;DR Yes they work if there is appropriate spacing and timing.
>>65276376>defenseless civiliansDefenseless civilians? Where?!
>>65276416Yeah the type of swinging like that is meant for crowd control to hold off a large group of people with short weapons. Holding an alleyway or choke points on ships etc
>>65276653>in a super hyper-specific hypothetical scenario where the person doing it is extremely experienced, it can workYea no shit. Then again, the opportunity cost of just not doing a retarded spin move, might just end up being your life. Do a spin when you kys you faggot.
>>65276353Spinning back fists are so ineffective that they are banned in Bare Knuckles rules.
>>65276857>no one else makes mistakesJust because you suck is no reason to miss your advantage.
>>65277119If your opponent makes a mistake, do the normal thing which is a guaranteed stab. Why would anyone have ever done a spin when a simple stab to the gut or back is guaranteed to work and takes way less energy. Real life isn't hollywood you larpnigger.
If you're spinning like that you're trying to keep a group of people from just murdering you outright.
>>65277095I just cant wrap my head around this post, so maybe you could enlighten me.
>>65276353His utter inability to carry out a basic figure eight attack chained with an overhead S to reverse direction offends my youthful reenactor self. The exact term for the move escapes me but he should be able to spin that like a helicopter over his head in a fraction of the space he is using. His fake sword is also too heavy or he just sucks because at no time should that blade not be in motion, those pauses are a death sentence ESPECIALLY against pole arms or other large swords.
>>65276653LMAO. No non-grifter needs to spend 11 minutes being a talking head telling you about how his McDojo moves would work.I'm going to leave this short clip here without further comment as it speaks for itself.
>>65276653I think the problem is people assume two different scenario dependent employments of a wepon are inherently contradictory.The example you provide is 1 In 1.You could never spin on your feet in massed combat, strinking down pikes.
>>65277264Violence of action is a quality all its own. Surprise is usefull. For most people it is stupid. But being a master of your craft means sometimes you can eschew the rules.We are discussing life or death scenarios. Sometimes you have to go for broke.
>>65276653I think the damning aspect is that in pl8, the knight would still fine, excepting very lucky strikes on gaps.
>>65277264>knight just stands there doing nothing the entire spin lmao
>>65277278Spinning around is the opposite of violence of action, the entire time someone is spinning they're not doing anything, you can't even see your opponent. It requires the opponent to stand their slack-jawed to work.
>>65277264This isn't a real fight. The knight is lethargic, atrophied from the comforts of modern society. Dulled by the acceptance of his silver medal
>>65276653That arm lever takedown @9:00 is slick.
>>65277271>>65277299Almost any recreation of two handed sword use is modern bullshit, it is a combined arms weapon. Nice spin bro, you just decapitated one of your friends who was trying to back you up with their Halberds. No wonder you are apparently trying to recreate a retard who decided to commit suicide by charging a pike wall all by himself.
>>65277299If you can block and push away the weapon and utilize your momentum in a non linear attack.It's 90% of the time dumb. But if you practice something that overwhelms a lesser trained enemy>If it is stupid but works, it isn't stupidAlso full pl8 changes everything.You can just tank a full sword swing and punch them in the face
>>65277310It should be assumed this is a duel.Or>Sorry peasant, I killed you ransoming this knight, you probably would have died anyways.This is basically White caste culture.
>>65277181BKFC, Bare Knuckles Fighting Championship, is a fighting league that only allows punches with hand wraps. No gloves, no kicks, no throws. Basically old-school fisticuffs. They banned the spinning backfist for two reasons. One, it's to kung-fu for them. Two, it's incredibly effective.
>>65276353>>65276416>>65276450The reason for it is for fighting in both directions. A guard in one direction (say posta di donna) is also a guard in the other direction (in this case posta di finestra) if you just turn your head. It's included in katas as a spin to help get you comfortable changing directions.
>>65277325>no grappling>no striking the back of the headNo shit it worked
>>65276353We should be honest. In armor like this you lose by being struck in the face or ganged up on and your leg is hit.>>65276653I something like this, you lose by being taken to the ground and someone puts a dagger in your throat, armpit or eye.It's very skilled when you are on your feet.After that it is brutal murder.
>>65277322>It should be assumed this is a duel.Which almost never happened because it was used by mercenaries hired for mass combat.>>65277322The majority of the guys using them were not nobles and the rest of your team were usually close friends or even family members. It is just a LARP, 'dueling' with large pole arms (which is what these are) either results in whoever gets a lucky first strike winning or the guys rolling around in the dirt punching each other or trying to use daggers because once you close they are almost useless. The only real exception is halberds since they aren't as long as people think, they are being more or less fancy axes that you can cinch up and stab with if someone gets too close.
>>65277341>Which almost never happenedFair(ish) Duels were an inherent part of not only European culture but globally.That is the point I am trying to illustrate. These are not line battlefield tactics.And as I have said, you would not employ these on so one you felt your equal, unless you had worn them down and had better conditioning or had to use a Hail Mary to try and gain position. None of thos strikes would kill or even seeiously wound a knight. But shocking them momentarily and winding up behing them to stike the knee or otherwise knock them down and use your dagger is (potenially) advantageous
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>>65277361Interesting none of this shit is used in actual sparring/combat
>>65277361lmao this shit's embarrassing
>>65277146Like someone previously mentioned, spinning attacks do work in MMA in particular the spinning backfist. It also works in melee combat with weapons. It's not a standard attack, it's something you'd do when the opportunity presents itself based on timing, spacing, weapons being used etc.It works because it's nonstandard it fucks with your opponents defense. People get knocked out flat cold in MMA from spinning backfists when used properly because they're trained and reflexive towards standard attacks, suddenly spinning and attacking presents an attack coming with weird timing and angle and your body language does not line up with a standard attack. The opponent fails the QTE to block and gets fucked up.
>>65277385It's like a headbutt. It is unexpected. If you miss, you are fucked.If it lands, they are probably fucked.
>>65277299>the entire time someone is spinning they're not doing anythingWrong, they're building momentum into their strike. Additionally, just because they're spinning does not mean you are in position to counter strike. Hence, timing, spacing and tactical usage matters.
>>65277385This isn't /sp/ you retard nobody cares what happens in your controlled environment larpnig shit. You go back to any battlefield from ancient egyptians to renaissance and I guarnatee you that not a single armed swordsman or pikeman was doing fucking twirls like some choreographed faggot practicing for his sparring session. MMA is not /k/. Lancing is not /k/. Fencing is not /k/. /sp/ is not /k/. Fuck you.
>>65277396As one who has argued for it, I have to support my opposition's position at this point;If you fail, you fail spectacularly, look stupid and get rekt.Only a warrior with decades of instruction and probably multiple kills would ever even think of employing it safely.
>>65277404Shut the fuck up, faggot.Fists and feet are weapons. You being a fat piece of shit doesn't change that.
>>65277264Robertoooooooooo
>>65277404Again, it's not standard. It's an attack of opportunity. A great example is the spinning backfist .gif above. He missed his initial strike, then used his momentum to just continue spinning and attacked again, knocking his opponent out cold. He did it purely based on the exact circumstances of that engagement at that split second.I assure you many melee fighters throughout history have opportunistically used spin attacks.
>>65277424This anon understands. These are techniques for men that have have been trained for war since they hit puberty.It's foreign to us now but a warrior class existed in society for over a millenia.A knight used to be able to just watch a village and choose a boy to be his squire.
>>65277409>If you fail, you fail spectacularly, look stupid and get rektNot even remotely necessarily. This would only occur if you used it at a really bad time. For example whiffed spinning backfists and back kicks usually result in not much. The fight typically just continues.
>>65277417The setting matters you literal shitbrown retard. Controlled sports and martial arts are not weapons, they're sport. Fuck off.
>>65277438Weird cuz those professional sportsmen would effortlessly kill you in hand to hand combat, using their skills honed in that sport
>>65277433Yes. That is what I meant You would never even consider such a move unless you are trying to catch someone beating your ass or you know you have them beat on skill and want to impress a crowd.It is a do or die or flex.And any smart knight would never put their life to a flex.
>>65277455Yea that's relevant. I could drive my car into a crowd of pedestrians, should we start making /o/ threads here too? Fuckwit
>>65277438You cannot formulate a valid argument without ad hominems.You have nothing of value to say I and I suspect your physical atteubutes are wanting.I defy you to prove you are less than 18% bodyfat or can run 3 miles in under 21:00.
>>65277438>Laughs in overpowering double leg or tripYou are fat and slow. I would drop my sword and beat you into submissionDO YOU YIELD?
>>65277483No. It's opportunity. Again, see the spinning backfist .gif. That was not a flex, that was a impromptu attack based upon the circumstances presented.
>>65277485/k/ envelopes combat of all kinds. Including hand to hand combat.
>>65277503This I almost agree with.But it is a "flex"You would never employ such a move without confidence, otherwise you are dead.
>>65277404>WAH WAH WAHfuck up pussy
>>65276353only if you shout the name of the attack while you do it. works better if you're also jumping. this is common sense
>>65277503>>65277507To sustain my argument, would you ever expose your back to an attacker you felt was your equal?
>>65277438You are fat and weak.
>>65277507That fighter did it purely out of reflex. He wasn't consciously confident in the attack. He was simply attacking violently. He's never trained that exact sequence ever before. He did it just because the opportunity presented itself. Due to his momentum he reflexively decided to spin further instead of trying to stop the momentum, and use that momentum to throw a hard strike.Even if he had missed or it was blocked likely nothing in particular would have resulted, just continuing to fight.
>>65277513In that particular sequence he had missed his strike and due to happenstance of the chaos of fighting, already was accidentally exposing his back. Then chose to continue the spin to attack again which also simultaneously brought him to face his opponent again.Fighting is not some clean perfectly choreographed thing.
>>65277520Okay? I am stating, that is not a move you would normally employ. If caught in the moment and highly trained to know how to make that situation hopefully advantagous?You never expose your back to an enemy.As a rule.9/10 times that is a death sentence, especially if they are are as good or better.
>>65277530>that is not a move you would normally employ.Not generally. It'd be something you'd throw in opportunistically. And how that opportunity presents itself is going to vary quite a bit. Are you familiar with conditioning in fighting? Not cardio. But conditioning your opponent. Basically presenting them with attacks, movements etc. that they react to and become conditioned to, then taking advantage of that conditioning. A good example is Pereira vs Strickland. Pereira purposely threw left hand body shots repeatedly during the fight, conditioning Strickland to defend his body with his guard. Then suddenly, using nearly the same body language, Pereira threw a left hook to the head instead of to the body and dropped Strickland.Fighting is complex and saying hurrdurr if you evar spin you'll die 9/10 shows a fundamental lack of understanding.
>>65277551Conditioning as in judging their response to feints?
>>65276353The whirlwind move that people imagine from movies and games when you say spinning is basically a recovery from making a mistake. There, the true secret of the whirlwind move revealed.Anyone who tries to argue that X cand do Y to you while you spin completely misses the point that Y can be done to you while your ass is flat on the ground too but now you cannot do shit about it then either.
>>65277558Anything. Feints sure. In the example I used Pereira used body shots to condition Strickland to expect a left hand body shot but then tricked Strickland's now conditioned reflexes by going to the head with his left hand instead, landing a shot that effectively finished the fight.
>>65277551>>65277558I came into this saying it is retarded, but if you vastly outskill your opponent or desperately need to win as you are outskilled it makes sense.It is a disregard for rules that either wins or ensures your loss.
>>65277560It's bullshit from video game devs that didn't know shit from fuck, but whatever enjoy your larp
>>65277334NTA but spinning moves are also quite prevalent in UFC and vale-tudo. They're high risk, but extremely effective. One of the reasons they're particularly effective in BKFC is that they protect the knuckles, so you can hit just as hard as the guys with gloves do.
>>65277571Like you never seen a guy spin and trying to hit something from behind when he is about to trip or realized he is about to get backstabbed.
>>65277564No. It is not inherently a move used when out skilling your opponent or in desperation. It's just another attack like any other that is used when appropriate. I assure you through the thousands of years of combat between equally skilled opponents spin attacks were used and not out of desperation either. You should not use a spin attack when the timing, spacing, weapons etc are not appropriate just like even a simple thrust.
>>65277564To whit, a good opponent merely focuses on the blade and shoulder, so sees it coming and dodges or makes space.A skilled opponent merely ducks and cuts your leg.A great sword wielder thrusts into your your nape. Or your pit.
>>65277580Would you spin on you?Or would you dodge and atrack mid spin?
>>65277579>Muh larp strawmanTouch grass, get a job, etc...
>>65277581You're assuming they're in position to counter attack, which they are not inherently. What if it's stave vs dagger? The stave spins and attacks, but the dagger is still out of range and due to timing cannot rush close to counter attack without exposing himself to his own counter attack.
>>65277596How is an oppenent of a spin not on a good position to thrust?
>>65277600Timing, spacing, weapons being used. What if the opponent had just missed a heavy attack and was still recovering when the spin attack was performed? They're still recovering and rebalancing and in no position to attack fruitfully.
>>65277607I'm not saying spins do not have their their place.But against an equally skilled swordsman you will bat, thrust and hope to srike but diring the turn a yone who is worth their life will perforate you.Olympic fencing is gay and performative, but we never see this, because exposing your back to the enemy while he is armed is suicide, unless you disdain the skills of your opponent.
>>65277325you wrote "ineffective" in your original post, i think that was reason for the confusion
>>65277619Please forgive my grammatic mistakes.But it is not done on equal skill levels because it doesn't work.
>>65277607Anyone who is good enought to spin will have armor to tankWeird sidesword french duelist culture is an aberration but they never did it
>>65277619>the turn a yone who is worth their life will perforate youThe problem you keep running into is you're assuming that the opponent is prepared and in position to counter attack and that spin attacks would be used willynilly without regard for timing, spacing and weapons.Inherently spin attacks are surprising. Because a trained fighter when sparring will see almost exclusively standard thrusts, slashes etc. Spinning attacks being that they're situational are less trained for. So your reflexes are not suddenly going to understand the spin and the angle and speed of the spin attack etc. what's more than likely to happen is if the spin attack does not land it's because the opponent dodged it without counter attack. Then both fighters reset and continue the fight.
>>65277652>Anyone who is good enought to spin will have armor to tankBizarre assumption. Combat does not always happen when you want it to, fully armored and prepared. And even assuming you have significant armor in the first place like plate armor, which throughout the history of tens of thousands of years of combat was a tiny blip in time.
>>65276353You should try it, it's a good trick.
>>65277486The setting being relevant is the argument, followed by the separate piece of information about you being a nigger retard. Hope that helps
>>65277757So you are fat.
>>65277801I'm 356 pounds and 5'3" what about it nigger
>>65277325>Bare Knuckles Fighting Championship>Two, it's incredibly effective.Maybe there is a reason a SPORTING league would ban a move with high risk of permanent damage to both fighters?
>>65277813NTA your lack of physical activity means you do not understand the physical components of applying force. The shittiest MMA fighter has forgotten more about fighting than a fat fuck like you will ever know.
>>65276469if you have enemies surrounding you then you are always showing your back to someoneyou wouldn't just turn around and start swinging the sword in a different direction if there was just one guy
>>65276450>>65276416>>65276376>>65276755>>65276857>>65277404If you find yourself agreeing with mainstream Swordtubers, you should stop on the spot and reassess everything with a finer toothed comb than if you were investigating a homicide. If Skallagrim reported the sky was blue I'd be outside with a color wheel to check.
>>65277551>But conditioning your opponent. Basically presenting them with attacks, movements etc. that they react to and become conditioned to, then taking advantage of that conditioning. A good example is Pereira vs Strickland. Isn't that what Butterbean did as a boxer? The guy would just stand there round after tanking hit after hit then mash his opponent out of no where.
>>65276353If you can pull it off, why not?
>>65277364except when chuck norris banished those muggers to the shadow realm
>>65277861I'm not sure how many Butterbean fights you actually watched. He would generally push foreword consistently, surprise his opponent because he was a little faster and more accurate than he looked, and pummel them into the canvass in under three rounds. While he certainly had an iron head and a body like a walrus meant for soaking hits, almost all his fights were short, fast, and brutal.
>>65277334>>no grapplingGuys use spinning backfists in various MMA all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's hilarious.
>>65277830I would literally just sit on you and cave your chest inI'm like a bowling ball niggas
>>65277438>connor mcgregor or your choice of washed up UFC champ>your choice of melee weaponsLet's see how good you are, buddy.
>>65277893I'm no boxing fan, i only saw a few fights with him a couple of decades ago. All i remember was this huge Kingpin looking guy bulldozing forward tanking anything thrown at him, loosing a few jabs to keep them on their toes then smashing them to paste. I remember the first time he stunned the opponent with a couple of blows then he KOed the guy with this massive roundhouse that i was absolutely convinced had killed him.
>>65276353It does actually have a legitimate purpose and that's in expending all of your energy to create a no-go zone for enemy infantrymen. That zweihander weighs at most 3 pounds, and it's incredibly agile, I've seen HEMA fencers make large arcing swings with them when facing off against multiple opponents and it keeps spearmen and brigands back
>>65277841That's why I exclusively watch Eric Husayn smoke weed and cut paper in his kitchen.
>>65277621I was being sarcastic and failed.>>65277819If you do Iron Fist training, the backs of your hands are almost as tough as the palms.
>>65277971In actual use they were not used as traditional swords, it's a 6 foot long Main Gauche that has more in common with a staff than normal sword techniques. It is almost used tactically like a offensive shield if the makes any sense. A while back there was a pretty detailed conversation here about how a zweihander team with two guys using body shields and short swords to protect the zweihander wielders flanks was the only logical way you could justify a Bat'leth (used by a fourth guy) in open combat. The shield guys get under the pikes, the Bat'leth guy rushes in to use it's tines to catch as many pike shafts as possible then the zweihander does it's thing. Since the Bat'leth can thrust or do an underhand stab he can fight in a close press then break free and then get behind the zweihander guy and catch more pike shafts at close range. He is basically holding the pike shafts for a moment while the zweihander adjusts his next shot and the stabby guys are murdering people. In theory this is when the second line guys with halberds are jumping in and a Bat'leth would be pretty decent at tying those up if you could avoid getting stabbed by them so that is a very situational use.Mind you Bat'leths are almost useless in anything but highly situational circumstances against most weapons, we were just trying to come up with a plausible use for it in open melee.
>>65277819Yes, they are trying to appear like ye olde timey fisticuffs.
>>65278024>zweihander>main gauche>short swords>pike>bat'lethAnon, I think you've got an extra in there.
>>65278056The Bat'leth thing was just a recall to a previous /k/ thread when someone tried to justify why it wasn't a useless fictional weapon. The only plausible thing we could come up with was as part of a Landsknecht team and it was pic related with modifications, it could probably push up pole arm shafts and maybe tangle up halberd heads while being somewhat useable at very close quarters.Even then it would suck and be inefficient not to mention nearly suicidal, we were just trying to come up with a plausible use besides murdering people who were unarmed, in corridors without shields or who were fops with foils and/or rapiers.
>>65276353he's barely even using his hips. fat fucking faggot never played sport in his life. this is just the sca part 2.
Spinning works if you have:>The right weapon>the right training>the right situationTrying it without any of these things and you're fucked.A big two-hand renaissance sword is one of the right weapons.Training involving use of the weapon's momentum to keep it swinging (Godinho 1599, Figueyredo 1652, etc.) is the right training.Any space where you have the right amount of room to maneuver is the right situation.Beyond that, do not spin.
>>65277813>>65277671Anyone with training to spin will have access to expensive armor even if not wearing it.
>>65277813Humor or no.Original anon or no.You are a fat pathetic fuck and it is painfully obvious.
>>65276353>Can spinning attacks work IRL?Yes.
>>65278107The generally most accepted explanation among fans is that the bat'leth was originally specifically a dueling weapon. Given that Klingon society is both a "face" culture and a dueling culture one can imagine the number of vendettas, blood feuds, and challenges occurring at any given time so the bat'leth is introduced to make it harder for combatants to kill each other because too many important people were dying. Flash forward a few centuries and what is essentially an awkwardly shaped, forward-curved machete has gained a place of prominence in the dickwaving and gloryseeking Klingon cultural space beyond its original intention.
