what do be it dough
>>65277909A plane.
>>65277909>what do be it doughevidence the US has problems with advanced flight profile modeling given the presence of those cannardsmany many /k/ threads detailing how cannards are explicit evidence of technological incompetence and general 'backwardsness' (by way of J-20 threads)I guess we Americans better hope thats some kind of advanced adversary craft being used to teach autonomous targeting systems or something because if thats the F47.... BIG YIKES
>this thread...again>>65277919fpbp
>>65277909It’s unlikely any are the same aircraft. 1 appears to have strong McDonnell lineage as it resembles a lot of concepts they worked with in the 90s before the Boeing merger, so is likely connected to F-47. Nobody has a silver bullet answer to what the dorito is, but given Uncanny Expeditions captured it, and he was the one who told the ghost hunters what equipment to use, it’s not likely to be the same aircraft as the shape is so different. 3 is very possibly the Lockheed NGAD demonstrator, as that first flew in 2022, which is when the satellite image was captured. There are also rumors it was a bit troubled, which could explain it being in a temporary shelter on the tarmac.
>>65277920Did you know moving wingtip control surfaces have all the same rcs drawbacks as canards?
>>65277909F16XL on the right
>>65277920goddamn the ignorant seething out of this lower species of ape is amazing
>>65277928>>65277966none of changs wunderwaffe aircraft after the J20 have cannards...but US ones still do...WHY?
>>65277909we're so back
>>65278001Does the term “four spike” mean anything to you?
>>65277909https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)?useskin=vectorShe's back.
>>65277966>lower species of apeThat's rude, anon. He's at least 1/4th Japanese.
>>65278112relevant any time it comes up 1/2
>>652782722/2
>>65277909Penis.
>>65277909Fake, ever thought of that?Ffffuuucckkkinnnn'......fake.
Some experimental aircraft or UAV. Perhaps exists in multiple configurations
>>65277909First is clearly a crowSecond was Dorito's response to Pepsi's naval build up in the 90sLast is clearly the ADFX-02 'Morgan' airframe in a bird trap, having fallen for the bait placed for it (the complete works of Juan Posadas).
>mutts laugh at >canards for years>the newest mutt aircraft has canardsHAHAHAHAHAA
>>65280633It's a universal pattern in human behavior at this point.>someone else does 'thing'>come up with a list of reasons why doing 'thing' is dumb and you wouldn't do it>5-10 years later, decide to do 'thing', ignoring all the reasons you came up with to not do it
>>65280633They're bad for stealth. But maybe this is a much smaller drone, so the tradeoff is compensated by the small size. Stealth tech is not magic. All it does is make the enemy radar detect a smaller return signal. Drones are already inherently stealthy due to their small size and often non-metallic construction.
>>65281120There is not a direct correlation between airframe size and radar return. In many cases a small object will counterintuitively have a larger radar return than a larger one, because it is less disruptive to that radar wavelength and will be both better at absorbing it and be more able to have internal structures that reduce radar return. The B-2 is the world’s largest stealth aircraft, and it is also overall the stealthiest, especially against radars with higher wavelengths.
The F-47 seems like it's using canards to direct airflow and provide lift, they're not moving control surfaces which would be difficult to stealth coat.
>>65277909what is the left one?
>>65282430You missed a big one. YouTube ghost hunters were filming at Area 51 with thermals and got buzzed by something widely believed to be the demonstrator preceding F-47. Its was probably a deliberate leak as it was their 3rd or 4th night filming and security was watching them the whole time.
>>65282476>f47sorry anon but it took me literally 10 seconds to find the videohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/c-HqXiJPDBQso unless they found a way to shapeshift a plane this is ai to say the least (and it just wouldnt made a sense to have a flyable prototype 8 months after the annc of the design PROC)
>>65282590Brother read up on the program. There was a demonstrator fly off with the Boeing entry having a first flight in 2019. The picture is shit because it’s a commercial thermal hunting scope made for shooting wild pigs
>>65282746dude just stop no there wasnt the news came out in 2020 because of the serialization of the j20 they just wanted a pr victory the program got finalized in 2024 december and they ancc the winner in march 2025
>>65283477Aerospace Innovation Initiative was the name of the demonstrator program and was funded since at least 2016.
>>65277920>canards (western)Based>canards (eastern)Cringe
>>65280633having vertical tail and canards are bad yes, but if youre able to remove to remove the vertical aspect it must be worth something
>>65283589>this many errorsi need to stop phoneposting
>>65277920welcome to /K/
>>65283589Any deflecting surface not hidden in the wing’s radar shadow is bad. The deflecting wingtip control surfaces on one of the Chinese aircraft’s is also going to massively spike its radar return as soon as they deflect at all
>>65278001all the nazi scientists passes away
>>65277909The F-47? I'm assuming so since we got chinks seething ITT. Also why are the chink bots trying to claim that the J-20 is the first ever jet with canards lol.
>>65277909>what do be itTo be is to do — KantTo do is to be — Lao TzuDo be do be do — Sinatra
>>65283545no offense dude but no the x plane funding had nothing to do DIRECTLY with ngad it probably led from vista to what f47 uncrewed will be
>
>>65283983LOLthe two bottom pictures are literally CGI made by the brownest brownsters to button up a uniform
>>65283975https://aviationweek.com/special-topics/air-dominance/nearly-decade-long-story-led-ngad-flight-demonstratorAII is directly tied to NGAD development. It’s much more similar to the YF-22 informing the F-22 than anything to do with VISTA
>>65277920Because if your nation requires canards and vertical stabilizers in a modern airframe then its people, and I’ll be quite honest here, are of a notable subhuman intellect.F-47 is a tailless airframe expected to have some semblance of maneuverability. If you can’t see why that isn’t equivalent, well we can group you in with the aforementioned.
>>65284271>that (complete lack of) planform alignmentYou can fit so many rcs spikes in this bad boy
>>65277909The most important question:Will she be Sexo or no sexo?
>>65284394A guy on secretprojects tried making a render to show what it might look like without the low resolution distortion. It’s a bit blurred since they don’t seem to let you download anything in high quality without an account. But I think if this is accurate it could be a very sexy airframe
>>65284036vista literally developed what 6th gen is today this is why you see like 90% of this article talking about networking and mesh the design change we saw from 2022 till 2025 was almost as radical as the design we saw from fcas in 2023 and those """""leaks"""" from the cad file in 2025
it really annoys me how neglected the f22 is
That the new Trump plane?
>>65285477VISTA is all about autonomy packages. 6th generation fighters planform changes needed their own demonstrator program. ATF had a demonstrator program to validate that you could pair stealth with high agility and that supercruise was a mature and useful technology. 6th generation needed airframe demonstrators to show you could maintain stability and controllability in supersonic flight after paring away so many control surfaces. There is no acknowledged program that had shown you could before.
>>65282746>>65283477There is a non-zero chance Boeing won because of their (((alleged))) reverse Doppler active metamaterial coating. They have been hard at work at it since the year of our Lord 1999. They also just built a big ass coatings facility far enough in advance of their announcement as the NGAD winner that this is a distinct possibility.
>>65284414Presented without comment
uhuhuhuhuhuh'nards'
>>65287188>6th generation needed airframe demonstrators to show you could maintain stability and controllability in supersonic flight after paring away so many control surfaces. There is no acknowledged program that had shown you could before.eh no they aint doing AMT's anon china spend the better part of 35 years researching and developing them and there is literally not a single paper from us al least in the last lets say 15 years that shows usa was researching about them at all there is a very good video about them https://www.tiktok.com/@bgm1732474341/video/7555463643865943314i suggest you also join his discord
>>65288064Have you ever heard of the Invention Secrecy Act? The government actively prohibits the major contractors from publishing research that is actually relevant to what’s being included in next generation equipment. NGAD’s concept phase started in the early 2010s, for all research into a subject to suddenly disappear from public access around that time is better evidence for it to be relevant to next generation aircraft than if they were still disclosing that information
>>65289830anon i know about this however read what i said again this doesnt apply to research papers
>>65291015The government absolutely has and frequently exercises classification authority over civilian research, I have no idea how you’ve arrived at the conclusion they don’t. On top of that, the major contractors very jealously guard their IP. It is one of the major reasons McDonnell’s A-12 was such a disaster. Technical information on ATF was so heavily classified that they were completely siloed away and not allowed to disclose any relevant information on stealth technologies to the ATA team. Perhaps the greatest intelligence coup of the Cold War was that the Soviets allowed the paper on radar reflection equations to be published internationally, which formed the initial backbone of American stealth research. To prevent that happening to us what is allowed to be published is very closely vetted. You are never allowed to hear about the interesting work being done until it is no longer of interest.
>>65291049It's really the opposite. You hear shitloads about interesting work, then one day you just stop hearing about it. Boeing's metamaterial coating I mentioned earlier in the thread is an excellent example of this. You could read quite a bit about it, and PhantomWork's research partners at Duke and Purdue published a fair bit...until one day it stopped. Stopped and slow light would be another, but then again it's sort of the same thing because they were hunting for materials with specific optical properties and supported scattering modes for (((reasons))). What's funny is everyone credits LockMart for "discovering" the implications of Method of Edge Waves, when in reality it was some well-read desk monkey at the Department of Commerce's Office of Foreign Technology that called LockMart (and apparently NG as well) and said "hey, I have something you'd be interested in". You can also add gaseous phase conjugators and metamaterials to the list of things we cribbed from PUBLISHED Russian research.
>>65291361Sure, you get funny high concept stuff that doesn’t seem at all achievable outside a lab and won’t be militarily relevant published. But then some breakthrough happens, or someone with the right authority suspects it might soon, and then we never ever ever hear about it again until 40 years after whatever project it was integrated into retires. Probably poor phrasing on my part, I meant the “interesting” part as more of the part where they start operationalizing it since those are the bits that personally interest me.
>>65292514>But then some breakthrough happened Reminds me of a book I'm listening to. You have to wonder what they can do with the cyclotron in the sky nowadays.
