Shouldn't the only purpose a SHTF kit serve is to have a basic fighting load that can be used until you inevitably raid the national guard depots or get directly supplied by a state sponsor during a civil war? It just seems so retarded to me watching Youtube videos of all of these guys setting up multi-thousand dollar kits when in an actual war, not only would you need to be apart of a large fighting force but a fighting force that is actively getting supplied with weapons and gear. Why not just have a chest rig and a basic bitch AR15 and a granola bar for a fighting kit? It'll soon be replaced by the weapons and gear from the depots or from your sponsor anyways?
>>65281795Kinda seems like a crazy assumption that you the special boy will get into some armory to get equipment that you have no idea whether it exists or not, when tens of thousands of other plebs have decided to check out. I'm drunk so forgive my grammar but I believe my logic is sound.
It should be to raid your ethnic neighbors for food and pussy
It's mostly just a heroic fantasy about being a bad ass taking names running around being cool and finally being allowed by society to shoot people. They never account for various degrees of issues.1. If it's a local emergency, just hunker down for a few days or weeks until rescue. There may be some rioting and disturbances, but order will be established. Think: Hurricane, earthquake, tsunami, etc. Sit down, relax, lock your door, and have a laugh while the locals riot and kill each other rummaging for food and water. 2. There's local government break down. Your province, Oblast, or State, has collapsed. Perhaps you got invaded. Maybe there's a civil war. Maybe there's a natural disaster but it's so big it outright makes the entire area unlivable. There's no help. In this case the best solution is to fucking LEAVE. I never see SHTF types talking about hiking, preparing kits to camp out while you make your trek out, testing and preparing various vehicles, wagons, bicycles, etc to make your escape. It's always some militia shit with guns. 3. Worldwide society has collapsed - In this case you would need decades of stored food to really have a hope to survive. This would just tide things over until you can re-establish communities and hopefully get farming accomplished. The "shtf" types never think about taking classes or training how to run a farm or anything it's always guns and militia type shit. In a post-apoc world, maybe 10% of people would be militia-men. It would look more like an amish community. In a proper post-apocalypse world, wagons, horses, donkeys, and bicycles would reign supreme. Petro-chemical extraction would be slow and on small scales so motor vehicles would be precious and reserved. No one ever trains for those though.
>>65281795you might get supplied, you might not. though I do agree that a simple kit is the 90% solution.
>>65281816>I never see SHTF types talking about hikingFunnily enough that's all I think about
>>65281814The only situations where full blown SHTF gear makes any sense is during a shooting war (civil war II: return of George Floyd) or after a nuclear exchange has happened and local warlords are killing each other to secure the local 7/11. In the case of a war, the go to move is always the raiding of armories or depots. Either by force or often times done side by side with rebelling army units. That and getting supplied by a sponsor. If a shooting war starts here and you're not apart of any large organization than you're just a jackass with a rifle that will run out of ammo and supplies shortly. Even for insurgencies, logistics still matter.
You don't suppose that the mystical NG depots might be both defended by NG and contested by people with the same idea you have?
>>65281843You don't suppose that the NG might be the ones opening the doors for you?
>>65281844No, because why would they, and even if that's the case then the best strategy is to own nothing as it will just be discarded after you bloodlessly loot the hypothetical depot.
>>65281795>shouldn't my kit be exactly what I personally already have, and not something better?>like, won't I just get a bunch of free stuff for being a cool guy anyway?yes, that's exactly right
>>65281795I minuteman larp because I know deep down, im dead if things have gotten to the point where im walking the streets of my little desert town with my rifle. I just need something to do to distract me from accepting my doom.
>>65281848The point being made is that personal gear, no matter how good it is or how much you have is nothing in comparison to what it takes logistically for even a low-mid level insurgency to have any fighting chance at success. It's also questioning the legitimacy behind the mythos of the badass fighter or small group of fighters often depicted in media and in talks here on /k/ all the time and seen in countless youtube videos. Which is juxtaposed against the reality of actual insurgencies which require mass and logistics. tl;dr it makes no difference if you have some cheap ass airsoft chest rig or thousands of dollars worth of tacticool shit. Both mean nothing compared to what is actually required.
>>65281795I don't see why you need to go through the trouble of setting up your own organization when the state guard exists explicitly so the feds can't just drag you to the other side of the world when you volunteer to protect your home. Most private militias end up being controlled by them anyways, but without the benefits of being actual government employees.
>>65281864>what real insurgencies need is a fat guy who plays HoI4
>>65281870>refutes nothing>projects instead>hoi4Real niggas play Stalker Clear Sky. THE BEST STALKER GAME OF THEM ALL.
>>65281889The only good stalker game is SoC. CS is ambitious but goes in the wrong direction, COP is highly polished but otherwise low effort, practically a DLC. Neither sequel stand on their own merits. Havent played the new one, but it gives the same vibes.
>>65281795>watching Youtube videos of all of these guys setting up multi-thousand dollar kitsAnon, it's a paid advertisement, the whole point is to sell that shit
>>65282016You're a paid advertisement
>>65281868The national guard is not the states organized militia. The NG can be federalized at any time. NG units during big wars end up doing a lot of the fighting since most infantry divisions that exist right now are nasty girls and not active duty. Especially some of the powerhouse units like the 34th MN NG which is an armored division.
>>65281795see picrelthe spiritual antidote to LARPing is gitting gud with your CCW and actually carrying it, nothing else matters
They're just NPCs who got conned by fearmongering.All that gear but zero training and zero fitness. Their "training" involves just shooting cardboard targets in the range but can't ruck for a few miles.Look how turd world shitholes cope during real disasters and emergencies, how they respond is how everyone else on the planet will respond.No one in Ukraine or Venezuela are in SHTF ITS OGRE mode, they either left or are helping with the effort - no in between.
>>65281816This. The closest version of events that would call for a civilian militia to mobilize would be some kind of invasion like we saw with Ukraine when they were dusting off museum pieces to hold the line while they got their shit together. The US is the greatest military power in the world and geographically god tiered as a theater for defensive warfare. That shits a LARPers pipe dream.I was 14 and living in New Orleans when Katrina hit. That shit was fucked. We just hunkered down until we had a safe route out. There was real fear of looters and lack of food and drinking water. I remember my dad and brother guarding the front door with a shotgun in shifts. That’s why I keep at least a months supply of any necessities, plate carrier, 4WD vehicle, and of course firearms. There are very few situations where there is no safe place. The struggle is usually just getting there.
>>65281795It's largely a power fantasy for couch potatoes who think dropping $3k on gear will turn them into to Rambo.
>>65281795You kit should be a rifle of any sort, a pistol of any sort and most importantly an FPV drone with multiple spare batteries + solar charger. Having a drone means you can recon and even attack people from afar if you can improvise some sort of grenade or molotov. You can also use drones to trade stuff or send written messages.
>>65284358Your pistol is to get to your rifle
>>65281795None of these SHTF scenarios are actually going to happen. It’s just a hobby. Even if they don’t want to admit it, anyone buying gear and planning is doing it because they like it
>>65287822larp award
>>65281844If your hypothetical survival scenario hinges around the world giving (you), the main protagonist of life and the universe, everything you want and need, you are retarded and probably a child
Spending more money doesn't automatically make you better, but if you train with better equipment, you'll be able to do more stuff.Not sure exactly which expenses you're saying are a waste, OP. But optics (binoculars, monoculars, spotting scopes) could be useful even in a basic emergency.Also let's say you get access to the armory or supplied by a sponsor. Aren't you better off already knowing how a scope is zeroed, how to utilize thermals and drones, etc. so that you can actually put the stuff to use if you get your hands on it?Anything that helps you get to the 3-month mark in a bad situation was a good purchase.
>>65281795It took a couple years for the CIA to flood Syria in Timber SycamoreThats a couple years too long to wait for supplies in SHFT
>>65281844why the fuck would they? especially for some obese larperator
shtf, wrol, teotwaki or whatever, will NEVER happen. Buy guns and gear to larp, for fun, to collect, etc. but understand that it will never be used, because nothing ever happens.
>>65289055Or just get an off grip property and build your own homestead
>>65281795use a drone to deliver liquid shit inside the enemy water supply and wait for them to die of off diarhea.>>65281816enslave the local normie populance for meat
OP you are so late to this fucking topic. the boog fad has been over for YEARS. the ukriane war reminded everyone that war is awful and mostly just a numbers game and no one in america wants to die for only a CHANCE at political change.gun fever is cooling off from its covid/jan6th high
>>65281856I LARP because I'm happy. I may not know what will rise from the ashes when it's all said and done but I'm sick of this state of affairs. Any upset is an improvement, even if that leads to me dying cold, starving, afraid, and alone because at least I won't have someone over my shoulder saying how it's all a good thing and everyone else will experience the same
>>65287826>None of these SHTF scenarios are actually going to happen. It’s just a hobby
>>65281795The goal of a SHTF/militia/minuteman kit should be to:1. Escape the disaster zoneAnd/or2. Survive long enough for authorities to re-establish law and order Total collapse scenarios are LARP, but regional disasters are real and scary and potentially dangerous and you should be prepared.
>>65289248You’re also forgetting that the correct people are in charge now, so the feds are all heroes and all who would resist are now traitors to the crown.
>>65289311There were websites active during Katrina and people updating hourly about how looters were being shot and people being raped. I remember seeing bunch of people getting mad at some boomers for killing 40 youfs and stacking their bodies at the end of the street https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0zP4pYkSo
In the event of shtf, I'm going to die by the aforementioned shtf event or of starvation, because I am but one chud with a rifle. Also, Katrina is an interesting topic. The one place we remember being impacted the most is New Orleans. But it also hit Florida and even Cuba. Lack of coverage of the effects in Cuba makes sense because they were/are thirdies. Was the aftermath of hurricane Katrina in New Orleans particularly brutal because of the high density of niggers present in the city?
>>65281816bicycles basically stop working in under 10-15 years without new rubber. Rubber is the weak point for bikes. We probably will still be able to make rubber but its definitely going to not be as prevalent.1. In a local emergency the risk is that the government either flees or they have more important fish to fry so you are stuck with more or less your neighbors and family to keep things functional.2. Local government breakdowns are also pretty much unpredictable. The issue isn't if you want to leave its being stuck in place because you cannot leave. See Transnistria or other frozen conflict zones during a conflict.3. Worldwide conflicts and societal collapses are a bigger issue. The issue is that the front can move rapidly and you find yourself suddenly in the middle of a warzone one month and then completely pacified or under a warlord the month after. We are never likely to fall so completely backwards through the energy intensity schema that we go to amish land.
>>65281795The chilling fact about left-behind cells is that they are all presumed to be dead. It delays a conventional force so that your guys can reorganize while you shoot them in the back or blow up their ammo depots. That's why there's spec ops, and line regiments.
The thing about Katrina is that even though the Government lost all order during it they still have the authority to proesecute after the fact.If that's the case - it's best to just not even use your firearm, fuck dealing with all that legal bullshit it's a complete coin flip whether or not you get off
>>65293324Katrina taught that if you shoot a tree in the woods, does anyone hear it fall? Or as the eco nuts say, "Shoot, shove, and shut-up."
>>65293370Sure but I also think a lot of those stories were exaggerated, like Chris Kyle saying he shot 50 niggers from the roof of the superdome.I'm sure there were a lot unsolved murders/killings from Katrina & there is such thing as an overloaded police force just having to let cases go cold.
