While everyone is focusing on the collapse of FCAS, a more consequential and geostrategically important nextgen fighter project on the other side of the world is also falling apart
>>65282249I hate this, Malaychads are laughing at us.
Is worst Korea hardware actually good? I have no idea how their fighter, tank, etc. are considered internationally. It seems like them and Turkey are the up-and-comers in arms sales.
>>65282249>Gets made to put money down, complains like whining dog>Gets caught trying to steal engineering details, because nigger things>Gets back to trying to be friendly with North Korea just to really annoy the southIs Indonesia the least aware race still classified as human?
>>65282266Their tanks and other land vehicles can be cost effective. Ships and subs, not so much. KF-21 is a vaporware that isn't going to compete with Rafale or EF anytime soon, much less 5Ghttps://www.theregister.com/offbeat/2017/01/19/britain-collects-new-naval-tanker-a-mere-18-months-late/1347341DSME is now hanwha ocean, and their records is rather dodgy, to say the least
>>65282271hey noweddie van halen was part indonesian
>>65282260>no kuwaiti hornet deal thanks to the war>stuck with FA-50 with overpromised capabilities by the koreans and noparts slavshit for the next 10 years minimumAt least indogs still have Rafales, being malays*an air force is hell
>>65282249No matter, Indonesia has just signed a deal for 48 Kaan from Turkiye. This will give them a fleet consisting of:>F-16>Su-30>FA-50>Rafale>Kaan>KF-21>J-10CThis will be the most powerful airforce in Asia
>>65282301isnt that incredibly stupid? having so many different planes from different manufacturers is a nightmare scenario for maintenance and repair. they will have a handful of combat ready jets with 90% of the fleet being stuck in maintenance forever and pilots that can only fly 1 or 2 planes out of the 160 or so they will have on paper.
>>65282249how are they going to pay for it? the rupee just tanked again(yes jannys, funding of weapons is weapons-related)
>>65282249Indonesia has been signalling that they have been wanting to leave this project for half a decade.
>>65282345It's honestly insanity. It's a combination of inept Leadership, corruption and whatever else. India level military, maybe even worse
>>65282407>Indonesia has been watching their currency devalue faster and faster for half a decadeyep
>>65282266okay land shit at good pricenavy, eh. could be better could be worseidk about air. their trainers are decent but >trainers
>>65282409i wonder what the indonesian tax payer says about this. indonesians arent exactly rich and then their gov blows shit loads of money in the most stupid way possible.
>>65282417Korean missiles are shitif they weren't shit they wouldn't be having to beg Americans for AMRAAMs
>>65282422Does Indonesia even need a 4.5 gen fighter?
>>65282271Bruhhttps://youtu.be/trc1e4pQoxA
>>65282277Eddie Van Halen lived like half his adult life as a stimulant sucking goblin.
Redpill me on IndonesiaAll I know is a billion Muslims, fuck around in Timor, Bali, and being a general shitshow.
>>65282435Indonesia should be investing in the world's most robust coast guard and eco-warrior bullshit to save their fishing grounds. And sinking chinese trawlers.
>>65282578that's about it, yesthey initially had a Communist leader who used Communism to attempt annexation of the neighbouring countries, Malaya, Singapore and Borneo; it was actually THE major Asian conflict of the 50s besides Koreathe Cold War British Army was forged in Indonesia, developing now-familiar tactics as SAS, commando carriers, helicopter assaults and helicopter gunships, firebases and forward operating bases supplied by helicopter, etc all to fight Communist Indonesiathe Indonesians also genocided their ethnic chink population in the 70s and then again in the 90s, and to this day enact cultural genocide on any non-Indonesian citizen with something close to 30s-era Third Reich controls on non-Polynesian ethnicities (not permitted to have non-Indon names, not permitted to own land and property for longer than 20 years, various other microaggressions)like Saudi Arabia, it walks a fine line between fundamentalist Islamism and straight-up jihadi Islamism. local politics involves playing one against the other, besides ethnic conflicts between "pureblood" Indons and mutt Indons. the fundies were helped significantly by the fact that the 2004 December tsunami wrecked Acheh, the main Indojihadi stronghold. (at the time the US was actually involved in mediating talks between the factions, as part of the GWOT.) the fundies of course labelled the tsunami the judgement of Allah.
>>65282578Imagine browns in a jungle by the seanow bump their IQ up a little bit and make them trad and civilized instead of hypocritical super rich or starving poor bastards like the middle east. it's a pretty nice place given what they have to work with.
>>65282800>Imagine browns in a jungle by the sea>now bump their IQdownIndons are less competent than Arabs
>>65282301Well how does KAAN compare with KF-21 on paper? Assuming it does get a proper engine of course.
>>65282982Lol wut? Malaysian here. Indons on average are FAR MORE industrious, and smarter than the average Arab. They are a simple straight forward people and they only vice is inheriting the Dutch penchance to penny pinching. This cancellation is a result of their haggling and penny pinching tendencies. Otherwise, Indons are more civilised than any Middle Eastern nation.
>>65285401jihadis at least can conquer the worldwhat have indons actually accomplished, other than exist?
>>65282435Looking at how the US turns a blind eye to Israelis killing women and children, Indonesians fear they would be treated similarly to Palestinians if there were conflicts, for example, between Indonesia and Australia. Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before. Indonesian has more realistic view of relationship with Superpower.In fact, Indonesia is the one who has to worry even though it is non-aligned but is surrounded by American military bases. such as in Singapore, Papua New Guinea, Australia, etc. there is a possibility that other countries will attack it to take its resources, for example, Australia, which has a military backup from the US, could help Papua become completely independent, especially as Indonesia's military equipment is much more outdated than Australia's. especially because Indonesia is flanked by China and Australia, where the issue will definitely be related to the blurred South China Sea and Australia's potential to help Micronesia push for the liberation of Papua... so maintaining and increasing Indonesia military strength is important
>>65287861>Indonesians fear they would be treated similarly to West Papuan’s if there were conflictsFixed that for you
>>65282299>At least indogs still have Rafales, being malays*an air force is hellAt least you Indons and Malays have proper air forces with capable fighters.T. Flip
>>65282301>M346 and T-50So, is the M346 fitted out to be a light fighter or do they really have 2 different types of trainers for their airforce?
>>65282266Despite its appearance the KF-21 has capabilities similar to the F-15.
>>65282266>Is worst Korea hardware actually good?Ask the poles lmao.
>>65282301The most powerful air force in asia is the US
I for one stand with West Papuan chads and their struggle for self-determination.
>>65288281Not since their defeat by Iran
Indonesia is desperate for air power but keeps getting cucked.Their neibours mostly just got better AtA missiles for their existing f16s, Australia got the F-35, and made a huge leap with drone integration, knock off himars are all being proliferated at 2mil US a pop, and having already attacked every single county they border, Indonesia aligning with China is now looking more and more foolish by the day as Chinese state corporations won't sell gen4 because of their domestic air superiority deficit. The prospect of joint fighter strikes against Jakarta itself, Indonesia's warlord generals sleep underground
>>65282422The indonesians are always protesting against their retarded government. Especially since it's turning into afamily dynasty.
>>65291079>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.Many seething Australians on /k/ have already been sounding the alarm since the US decided to sell the F-35 to Singapore as they believe it compromises Australia's air defense to China. While the US can afford to replace the F-35 with something new in 20 years Australians are going to be stuck with them for at least 50.
>>65291079F-35 can fight Malaysian and Philippines but not against Indonesia when their Rafale andJ10C (with AWACS) and maybe KF-21/KAAN arrives.F-35 are over hyped by this board. That old plane is no match for the Rafale and at most at par with Gripen or EuTyphoon. all defeated by J10CYou tell me how is the F-16 able to even match the J10C. J10C has AESA GaN radar and more TR/m means it can scan longer distance than the old F16s with old radar. J10C has the PL16 range far exceed the F-16 AIM-120 .So J10C will detect first the F16 fire and go home while the F16 will be jumping like monkeys in the sky to avoid the dual pulse mach 4 PL15 with AESA radar. No escape.Even the new F-35 if J10c paired with AWAC to detect stealth, J10C faster speed and longer range PL15 will prevail. No match for China's J10C and J35 combination . Chinese kill chains are years ahead of anything US/Australia has.Indonesia is getting the J10C at a fraction of the cost .... and that alone with AWACS can destroy the F-35 which is subsonic (1.6 afterburner) vs J-10c mach 2.2 . That means the J-10C/Rafale can fly rings around the F-35AWAC can detect the F-35 , J-10C fires the missiles long before the F-35 Aim120 can fire. Same with Rafale/KF-×1 with Meteor
>>65291095Replace Singapore with Israel and you're golden
>>65285227Better stealth and already has an IWB
>>65291103Holy fuck, it's a Frog-Chink hybrid dicksucker. What a rare breed!Also the F-35 sucks so much that Turkey keeps on begging America for them despite having the KAAN program while South Korea keeps buying more F-35s (btw both the KAAN and KF-21 use American engines lol)
>>65291095>seething indog on /k/FTFYwe're gonna bomb your jihadi terrorist abangs and there's nothing you can do about it
>>65282249Did indonesia even need a 5th gen fighter jet? anything above f-16 is overkill considering their only problem would be insurgency which even an attack helicopter would suffice. If WW3 came to it either make the 1 month invasion of Iraq looks like a joke or we would be relatively unscathed with proper countries being too busy with each other to bother with our random shithole.
>>65291543Schizo indonesians unironically believe that Australia is out to get them.
>>65288038At least pag-pag muncher can have a gun and post on /k/ without larping.
>>65291103don't ask me how i don't know, but indonesian pilote are really happy about the rafale :)
>>65282271Their shipbuilding PT Pal also fucked the phillipino Navy by being late a year, and still has not delivered their LPD that they ordered.
>>65291632No one cares you French pig
>>65291095>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.Oh lawd this is PRIMO thirdie cope.
>>65293249Do not respond to the Malaysian pasta
>>65282249The KF-21 program is progressing as it always has since the Indonesians never contributed with anything of meaning to it, you retarded nigger.
>>65282301>This will be the most powerful airforce in AsiaThey won't even be the most powerful airforce within their islands since they don't have the budget to operate this variety of aircraft and still maintain logistics for them.
>>65282423The Koreans don't manufacture a domestic BVR missile you inbred mongoloid.
>>65287861>Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before.That's because you sea-faring ragheads keep sponsoring terrorism against your neighbors and need to be taught how to behave.
>>65291095>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacyFuck off you dirty Malayan turd. Either provide an evidence to back this up or get your savage muslim ass out of my board.
>>65282249Indon here.That's to be expected. We simply dont have the necessary manufacturing plant and human resources to do that.
>>65282423>>65293284That's what Meteor integration on the KF-21 is for
>>65293297>290 million people>can't find the human resources grim. if the jeets can do it (barely) there's no reason why indonesia which has a higher level development can't
>>65293364>indonesia which has a higher level developmentAnon, as an indon even i dont believe that bull.
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