I own semi auto variants of all three and the fal is at the bottom of the heap for me.My G3 clone feels more fuck-you rugged, like I could toss it off a cliff and it would be perfectly fine and my Polytech M14 is lighter. Both have nicer triggers, better sights and are more accurate. I generally prefer the recoil and ergos of the G3, from a bench or prone the m14 ergos are a bit better. Reliability has been about the same and they all sling and carry about the same when I'm out in the woods larping.Is it just because of Rhodesia and the Falkands?
>>65286475Post them.
>>65286475>Is it just because of Rhodesia and the Falkands?Pretty much. There's a reason nobody adopted the FAL after the G3 became available.
>>65286475because it was widespread and recognizable. That's it. NEXT!
>>65286479Why would I lie for clout on an anonymous chinese cartoon website? I'm not pushing an agenda or tripfagging, just sharing my opinion and seeing if I overlooked something
>>65286475Agreed, L1A1 is far superior of all of them.
At least part of it is due to people being butthurt over the M14 beating it out in the US rifle trials and the subsequent claims of rigging.
>>65286475ITS EUROCRAP ,,, SIMPLE AS THAT----------‐--------‐---------------------------------------------John "Bubba" JacobsonUSMC Bootcamp 1971-1971"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."Sent from my Galaxy S22 using Tapatalk
>OP>'glazed'Anything I've ever seen for decades about FALs, particularly the frankenbuilds (and different metric-inch types), is that they can be a mixed bag.>>65286513>L1A1This or the original USA import FN ones are the only I'd ever want. An actual built-from-factory whole firearmNice rifles but not better than a G3.
>>65286475aesthetics
>>65286509>Why would I stir up shit without at least showing proof I own the things I'm talking about?
>>65286475Mainly eurotrash hyping themselves up as secretly better than America, but also contrarians doing their gay little thing and the uninformed falling for their backwards views.
I prefer the FAL because its stupid simple and quick to field strip and clean. Mine actually has a pretty sweet trigger so no complaints there. Really the only con I have is the carry handle is superfluous. The main advantage I feel the G3 has is the ability to easily and securely mount optics due to being incorporated into its design.
>>65286618Talking about it =/= stirring shit up.I'm not saying my FAL is a bad rifle, just that in my experience, it seems to (fal)l a little short of the reputation I've seen people give it online. If there's some secret technique or application for it that I haven't tried that might have me enjoy it more, id like to know about it.
>>65286658If you showed what you had it would help, because normally for most people its G3/FAL tying for first and the M14 is a solid fourth.
>>65286475As an infantry rifle, the FAL was good when It came out>It was lighter than both the G3 and M14>It's not a precision rifle, but accurate enough for the average grunt >it had better ergonomics than the G3 and M14The FAL has its reputation from the cold war, today the platform is obsolete.But so is the G3 and M14, if you compare them to more modern platforms.
>>65286475Trips and I buy an FAL
>>65286509>>65286658Actually I just wanted to see them. It didn't occur to me that you might be trolling. But the immediate denial of a charge that was not, in fact, made makes me suspicious.
>>65286532M14 is a pos that should have never been adopted
>>65286475>ergos of the G3The G3 has its advantages (runs well when dirty, modular, has more secure optics mounting options than the FAL). But I can't see how you could say it's more ergonomic unless you have very long arms and long thumbs. You have to run the very far forward charging handle every time you shoot the gun empty. You have to break a firing grip to flip the selector (unless you get an aftermarket extended selector like the Magpul one).Someone would have to do a lot of convincing to get me to understand why they think FAL ergonomics are worse.
>>65286688I'm hesitant because I'd rather not be recognized IRL for them because they're parts kit guns I put together that are rather distinctive, but I suppose I can crop them a bit to help with that.Yes that is gold spray paint. It makes my inner african warlord happy.>>65286707>unless you have very long arms and long thumbsI am 6'5" so yes that may be part of it.
>>65286744>Parts kits gunsWell depending on the quality of build that may be the deciding factor here. My experience with modern mass produced G3s, FALs and M14s has the M14 clearly as the worst.
>>65286706Yes, that doesn't change the fact that it outperformed the FAL at the time
>>65286752I did them myself and they run fine, it's just the general design and feel of em rather than reliability or quality.Again, the FAL isn't a bad rifle, I just don't really feel like it's all that everyone cracks it up to be in comparison.
>>65286744>I'd rather not be recognized IRL for themNobody, and I mean nobody, cares. Post the whole picture. Jesus Christ.
>>65286764Eh, fair enough
>>65286779Thank you, Pablo Escobar.
>>65286779IP logged, tracking you down as we speak
>>65286849Quék
>>65286779The wood on those is fantastic, my best guess is that whoever made your FAL had a few extra that day.
I definitely like my G3 better than my FAL.
>>65286688NTA, but bullshit faggot, >>65286479Is not asking to see guns it is demanding proof of guns
>>65286900Gorsh, you flatter me
>>65286706Cry more, the correct rifle was chosen
>>65286949The AR15?
The M14 is a rifleman's rifle, the other two can get fucked. 4th of July is coming soon and I'm only gonna get more belligerent on the topic
>>65286653>I feel the G3 has is the ability to easily and securely mount opticsNoIt has the capabilty but the original clawmounts are ass. Its a you can technically do this but its shit.Theres a reason it turned into welding on pic rails.
>>65286972I've installed the original claw mount and aftermarket ones without issue. Sounds like a skill issue to me. And only PTR is the one welding on picatinny rails.
>>65286919OP isn't mad, why are you?
>>65286513Teaboos are the lowest form of queer.
>>65286486FM got production rights to the FAL in the 1970s, Imbel got it in the late 60s. Stop talking out of your ass.
>>65287030I dislike weasels and their sleazy ways
>>65287061I think you're a weirdo, I just asked to see them. I didn't imply anything else. Stop trying to create drama.
>>65287108
>>65287042>FM got production rights to the FAL in the 1970sArgentina adopted the FAL in the 50s and started domestic production in the early 60s.>Imbel got it in the late 60sBrazil was evaluating the FAL from the mid 50s and formally adopted it in the early 60s.Both of those started the process of adopting a new battle rifle well before the G3 was ready for export at the start of the 60s, and thus the G3 wasn't even a contender for either of those armies.
It seems the FAL is out of style in today's Western countries unlike South American, African, and some Arab militaries who still use them to this day.
>>65286475Why do G3 owners feel compelled to tell everyone how great their rifle is?
>>65286475M14 is a piece of shitG3 is unwieldy and has more recoil but is almost as unbreakable as an AKM, and has the parlor trick of being easy to just put an HK claw mount on it, but the PTR or turkroach clone you probably have isnt going to be as nice, if not have an incorrect bolt angle and completely beat the shit out of your shoulder for no reasonFAL is easier to shoot, nicer to shoot, better ergonomics, the only negatives are (according to fucking retards) the gas system you can "theoretically" turn off and disable the rifle, but only fucking retards like Ian from forgotten act like this is a "TOTALLY REAL" issue thats happening constantly in militaries that issued (it fucking wasnt)also its not as "Durable" but not even FALs from african conflict zones are hitting that high of a roundcount to matter
>>65287035Good thing the Australian version is superior
>>65286475>Why does the FAL get glazed so muchRhodesia larpersIf you (You) reading this cannot buy a kitchen knife with a point on the end, then shut up about guns. Shut up.
>>65287201This is all the same shit as Ford, Chevy, Dodge.
>>65287262>M14 is a piece of shitt. no one who was ever issued one
>>65287584#1 complaint I see is that it sucked in full auto (like every other battle rifle)it's also hard to accurize and the stock muzzle device sucks but it's still better than every other 308 rifle desu
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>>65286475The simplest answer is the FAL shit the bed so hard in US Arctic trials that what would become the M14 matured past it marginally, and the EM-2 had proved unworkable. At the very second of adoption, the M14 barely edged the FAL in a few ways, and the G3 would mature past the M14 quickly thereafter. What doesn't help is nobody could manufacture the M14 worth a damn, but any copies that did work were beloved by GIs compared to the M16 rushjob.
>>65287262Actually a cetme kit with 50° angle and 0.012" of bolt gap(unground) and I find it to recoil the most pleasant out of them all. It's like a girl jumping at you boobs first, nice and cushy vs the sharp impulse of locked 308's
>>65287628kek
>>65287580You know what, that's fair.
>>65287580most people can concur that dodge is shit, just like the fal
>>65287628A+
>>65286475I agree. I still like and respect the FAL, and think it's a fine infantry rifle. I put together a few metric FALs back when parts could still be had, and my current one is a rebuilt imbel receiver I salvaged from a century rifle built on L1A1 parts. Eventually I want to get lightening cuts done on it. >>65286479Here are mine. I am in concurrance with OP. In general the G3 does what it does but better, though the FAL has vastly superior controls to the M1A, I never got over the FAL sights (very imprecise adjustments) and that it's the weakest of the three when accurized.>>65286592I prefer the stock angle of the L1A1 much more than metric stocks. Fits my fat ass cheekbones better. >>65286675>>It was lighter than both the G3 and M14False. >>65286707I think the G3's ergos are mostly fine if it has a paddle magazine release.
>>65287628
>>65287622>>65287584noit fucking sucks assit sucked so much fucking ass it was replaced by the AR15 and the ordnance dept threw a bitch fit and got itself deleted from existencethats how much it fucking sucks
It's simpleI don't like communism I like FAL Nobody likes me
>>65286475its just a good gun
>>65286475There's a number of reasons.>Rhodieboos>M14 hate badwaggon overcorrection because the FAL "should have been picked">Amazing aesthetics >Good ergonomics >Genuinely successful and popular rifle for a long time with many countries adopting and making it.But I concur that of the battle rifles I have owned the FAL (granted, a DAA so not the best possible example) was sub optimal.>Adjustable gas system was temperamental and annoying.>Picky with ammunition, see above.>Crummy sights.>Mediocre accuracy potential.>Optics mounting solutions vary from bad to horrible.>Good magazines made of pure unobtanium.M14s generally gave me less trouble and shot better. G3s are cheaper with way better magazine availability and less problems. AR-10s are lighter, cheaper, more accurate and better in every way so long as you can get one to cycle.The only BRs I have had where I'd rather have a FAL were the Zastava M77PS, M1 Garands and an FN-49.>>65286675G3 can still hold it's own as a capable DMR, so can an M14 if kludged. FALs not so much although various countries have tried.>>65287754If it had been adopted for US service I am dead nuts certain that the FAL would have sucked even harder and would have been dropped even faster.
>>65288045>Adjustable gas system was temperamental and annoying.>Picky with ammunition, see above.>Crummy sights.>Mediocre accuracy potential.>Optics mounting solutions vary from bad to horrible.I don't agree with any of these points, maybe the optics because on a metric gun the rear sight is in the way. It folds on inch guns because they were actually designed for optics use.
>>65288051Yeah if you like, can find and afford a Trilux. Plus it is still mounting to the dust cover which is a sub optimal solution.
>>65288058IME the dust cover is pretty solid but mine's an inch gun so it does have those tabs that keep it in place better. But it's not like there's sideways play with metric ones either
>>65288067They do also look cool as fuck too, for what it's worth.
>>65288082I have a dust cover for mounting the C1 rifle DMR variant's optical sight but no mount or sight
>>65286638>be Euro>create 2 battle rifles of the free world>USA fails to adopt both of themIt only happened twice, but it's a bit curious.
>>65287715Nice, very nice
>>65287642>nobody could manufacture That's because the budget for the M14 was cut to the fucking bone chasing pie in the sky SPIW which started in 1951. The M14 was supposed to be a stopgap weapon, which the fiction that it could be made on Garand tooling and it could do the role of everything (even the M16 couldn't do this) sold it.
>>65288088>G3>FAL>battle rifles No. Both of those rifles were originally assault rifles but were stretched to the limit, while the M14 was originally designed as a battle rifle.
>>65286475i fired:falm14ar15sksk43akmfn 49ljungmangarandm1 carbinei liked:falsksm1 carbinear15because good ergosi own because of ergos and tight groups:falar15sksroller delayed is gay btw.ek se
>>65287584It wasn't great.>t. was issued more than one>and repaired many, many others>>65287622>it sucked in full autoSo did everything else that weighed less than 20 lbs. That's not why it wasn't great. And no, manufacturing errors were not the biggest problem, or even a common one. Ian is a fucking pseud regurgitating bullshit from other pseuds. The single most common problem that I saw were the fragile sights, with the front sight going bad more often than the rear because the mounting system is truly bad by modern standards. That was a design issue.
>>65287754>ar15Was pure MIC corruption, LeMay adopted it after a demonstration at a 4th of July BBQ, if the SIG Spear had been adopted the same way multiple generals would have lost their jobs.
>>65288416>the sights falling offYeah no. The M1A/M14 uses an IDENTICAL mounting system as the M1 and there were no stories of M1 sights falling off, maybe "Springfield" Armory guns but not military issue rifles. >/k/>tHe aR15 iS tHe gReAteST evER >actual soldiers who used it in real combat >the AR15 is a sack of shit that got my friends killed>/k/>tHe M14 iS tHe WoRsT >actual soldiers who used it in real combat >the M14 was a dependable if heavy rifle
>>65286513Incorrect. Inch FAL's were bar none the longest FAL's, and no inch para variants were produced.Inch only has a few ergo improvements over base metric - extended selector switch, larger bolt release and mag release. The folding charging handle is IMO a downgrade.Inch FAL's had unnecessary folding rear sights that were higher than metricC1A1 however had bar none the best sighting arrangement of any fal (folding 500m drum)The C2A1 and L2A1 (aussie) were the only Inch FALO/HBAR variants as all the other Inch FAL users used Bren Guns.The best thing the Inch FAL's had going for them was wide issuance of the SUIT optic to infantry- this was limited to the Brits and Canadians FAL's though, Aussies supplemented their L1A1's with M16's and were very early adopters of the Steyr AUG
>>65288451Seething won't help
>>65286592IMO FAL's, particularly kit builds not fully new manufacture, are some of the most temperamental rifles you can own. Gas port and throat erosion is a gigantic and underreported issue on kit built FAL's. FAL's were generally kept overgassed by military SOP's and the issue worsened as most FAL's had 22mm rifle grenade launching muzzle devices that were in fact used....alot. It's very common to have the gas port, gad block, and theadjustable gas plug eroded. The amount of kit builds that won't function on anything less than full gas/next to full gas is silly when a new FAL should be *just* cycling M80 on gas setting 3.The civilian FAL owner doesn't even benefit from the adjustable gas - conventional suppressor use still requires a suppressor gas plug (DSA makes them). You've got auto-regulating systems like the AUG that also require a suppressor gas plug for a conventional can (but don't need it for a low backpressure can).
>>65286675Obsolescence is relative. The G3 is much less obsolescencent than the FAL and M14 - the G3A3 was a pretty big leap locking in barrel free floating. The fact that the G3 is quite mechanically accurate and has a better scope mounting system than the M14 and FAL has kept it relatively competitive with modern AR-10's and still on modern battlefields
>>65286475FAL has a bolt hold open and balances betterSVT40 is peak though
>>65288325>fal>tight groups
>>65286707It's really not that far behind the FAL ergonomically.The FAL is ergonomically superior from the perspective of an AR user manipulating the controls from high ready/pointed downrange with a full grip on the pistol grip. The G3's selector was designed to be manipulated from low ready with a broken grip on the pistol grip, or while raising the weapon up from low ready/sling carry with a broken grip.Manual of arms differences cloud the judgement of the AR user.The only clear ergonomic disadvantage the G3 has is the fixed stock hump (can't crowd up to the rear sight like you would an AR with NTCH), the collapsible stock vs the PARA FAL's superior folder, and the forward charging handle (and the force required to manipulate it - but notice how there is a sling mount ON the charging handle) but this forward charging handle does not interfere with scopes and mounts either
>>65288517As expected of a trip. Not sure why I haven't filtered you, but I'll fix that.SVT is garbage compared to the Hakim or G41W.
>>65287584The best thing about the M14 is the Iron sights and the auto-regulating short stroke gas system. The only plus it has over the garand/BM-59 is it doesn't bend op-rods.The M14's gas system is infinitely better than the FAL's with throat/port/plug erosion being MUCH less of an issue. A clapped out M14 still runs. A clapped out FAL CHOKES and needs a barrel/gas block/gas plug/piston/gas know swap
>>65288549>HakimYeah let me jerk off the top of my rifle for a reloadFN49 and Hakim are junk
>>65288557gas knob*
>>65288560The FN49 is a tilting bolt system that led directly to the FAL, Hakim is a AG42 Ljungman in 8mm.- a ww2 era semi auto rifle that is inferior to the Garand
>>65286675>semi automatic .308 battle rifle>does the exact same thing it did when first invented>obsolete I don't think you would care bleeding out in a ditch. Reddit and it's consequences has been a disaster upon the human race.
>>65288520My L1A1 is surprisingly accurate, with good ammo and if the shooter is up to it a 2.5 MOA group out to 150m is very possible
>>65287666I am gonna keep enjoying my fal. You keep coping about it.
>>65286675You niggers will call anything that doesn't look like an AR obsolete/obsolescent, it's a knee jerk designation
>>65289393Anything that isn't shooting a 90k psi benchrest meme cartridge is OBSOLETE
>>65288537Thank you for the reply, anon. I acknowledge that running the G3 charging handle is much less of a problem while standing.I've used a G3 clone from prone with a loop sling around my left upper arm, and it definitely slows reloading.The easiest reload from slung prone has got to be the Garand. Old clip auto-ejects, use right hand to insert new clip, use right hand to pull and release charging handle. Left elbow doesn't have to move at all and remains supporting the front of the rifle.
>>65289393Hilariously when it comes to attempts to replacing the AR, suddenly infantry weapons don’t matter and what we have is gud enuf.
>>65286675>today the platform is obsolete.not even sour grapes, sour balls
>>65286475M14 and G3 have a DMR variantFAL doesn'tFunny innit
>>65288492>support company Oooooooooooof
>>65289715>DSAlmao
>>65289755>FAL using countries are the most realisticYeah you can throw a scope on a FAL too, it doesn't mean that the 3-4 moa M14 or G3s were any special. DMRs from the Cold War are basically just semi auto suppression rifles, look at the SVD.
>>65289755What? The FAL has several. Usually it's just the dust cover that changes though. The Irish have a more comprehensive DMR version however
>>65289770>>65289771rhodesia lost btw
>>65289774the fal is more often associated with brapzil doebeit>YOU TAKE MY LIFE BUT ILL TAKE YOURS TOO
>>65289755Some company tried to enter an "accurized" FAL into the SASS competition back in the early 2000s. They got culled right off the bat and didn't even make it into the actual trials.
>>65289593It’s because arg trannies entire identity is centered around their rifles. They are protoboomers of the exact mold as Harley Davidson riders. They will be seething about how much ammo they can carry despite only having three mags for the next 50 years.
>>65289755
>>65289786Yeah, the best FALs are perhaps 1.5 MOA gunsFor most purposes that is sufficient
>>65289799I would argue 4-5 MOA is fine for the vast majority of use cases. tmk Garands had to achieve 5-6 MOA in order to pass inspection in WWII.
>>65289774The jews closed the diamond mine and revoked the Rhodie's n-word pass. Dayum shame.
>>65289774The FAL is a third world staple of the free people there you leftwing western liberal.
>>65289813Civilians love chasing MOA because they idolize snipers and slow firing plus GWOT ingrained the idea of firefights over 500 yards being regular. IRL when you're just a grunt you only really need to worry about sub 300 meter engagements which even 5 moa is perfectly fine for in most cases.
>>65289798That's the turd DSA submitted to the M110 competition. They tried to flip it on Gunbroker for years as a rare collectible.
>>65286475it's cause it was used by a bunch of yuropoor countries so you have a bunch of no gunz in no gunz countries glazing it because they saw it in media as a national symbol. I shot one once and it was not as good as shooting my AR
>>65288492Why did only 35 of 2100 want the XM177? It's literally the most kino gun and it's easier to carry and use in tight spaces
>>65287042>argentina>brazil>mattering
>>65286509nta, but a bunch of yuropoors lie nonstop about owning guns and shit not saying you are, but a lot of posts are outright lies
>>65288088because the AR-15 was better than both of them
>>65286653>>65286972G3s are better suppressedbetter with short barrels inherently more accurate/accurizable G3s got turned into DMRs and SBRs and shit. no one really bothered with trying to supress FALs like the HK roller guns and no one tried to accurize a FAL and use it as a DMR like a G3 or M14, granted the M14 DMRs were ass and had to be replaced. I've also never seen an M1A get through a single high power 50 or 80 round course without a stoppage
>>65289969NTA but the g3 feels a bit heavier compared to the m14 but it's significantly slimmer, feels a lot easier to handle imo. sights on both are good unlike the dogshit ones on the fal
>>65289770FALs are kind of ASS at accepting scopes due to the fact the upper and lower spit and the part that would be the upper and where you attach an optic on an AR is a dust cover with no retention on a FAL
>>65286486I had a whole box of beat to shit furniture sets I got from Sarco for next to nothing during the heyday of FAL parts. I resold them to retarded Rhodie larpers for easily $200+ a piece during that whole craze.
>>6528647511.5 PSA AR completely and utterly mogs boomerslop 308 shitrods
>>65289593>switch to intermediate cartridges results in major improvements to multiple vital areas>literally every major military comes to the same conclusion and adopts similar changes>subsequent innovations result in marginal improvements>do not see widespread adoptionYou should be able to tell theres a difference here
>>65289813>tmk Garands had to achieve 5-6 MOA in order to pass inspection in WWII.that's the wartime rejection threashold using their wartime ball ammunition, not the average. prewar Garands shot better than 3 MOA in testing. with modern ammo and not totally trashed barrel modern guns do that too.also as a civlian you have an opportunity to put nice magnified optic on your gun instead of being stuck with military issue shit.
>>65289770>legendary PSG1 isn't even good bakaAnon....
>>65290056you will never shoot one xister vidya shill
>>65289435>sage chassis with no scope mountFor what purpose?
>>65286475look at the list of countries that historically issued FALs as service rifles versus those that historically issued G3s or M14swhat pattern do you notice?
>>65290082I would like a polymer garand stock to have as a beater to keep my wood one nice while carrying it around in the woods. The sage seems a bit heavy for that use case tho
I shot a full auto FAL once, was pretty cool.
>>65286475This board is full of trannies who can't rack a G3.
FAL is the lowest face card, but it's still a face carda Jack always beats a 10FN FAL = Jack of HeartsM14 = Queen of HeartsHK G3 = King of Hearts
>>65290199the guys at the gun store who sold me my fucking PTR-91 couldn't work that stiff as fuck charging handle and they were all bigger than me, I was the only one able to do it and only because I had the good sense I put on gloves to keep it from eating the side of my hand
>>65290223>needing gloves to charge a rifle
>>65290244the G3 platform isn't a rifle, it's a lathe, and it's hungry for chinese
>>65290110>dumb turdies are retards incapable of forming functional countries.>their militaries are corrupt jokes and anything they say is either an outright lie or retarded>unless we're talking about the poverty rifles they adoptedLmao, if the number of brown hands that have fired one in anger is your metric for a good rifle then the AK has everything beat hands down across the board you fucking donkey
>>65290303my post wasn't pro-FAL
>>65290013>dust cover with no retention on a FALHow much do you think the dust cover can move, realisticallyBecause it's not much at all, especially sideways there's just zero play. How do you think the early models even got away with stripper clip guides if you think the dust cover moves around
>>65288517No more elcan on the scar?
>>65290268Kek
>>65290082Look again
>>65290117Ram Line and Bell and Carlson and some other companies used to make synthetic stock sets. You can probably find one pretty easily if you look.
>>65286592>Anything I've ever seen for decades about FALs, particularly the frankenbuilds (and different metric-inch types), is that they can be a mixed bag. I think it's mostly been the past 5 years or so that people started pushing that the FAL was reliably great. Definitely used to have a lot more mixed-bag sentiment than currently
>>65286475>Is it just because of Rhodesia and the Falkands?Yes, pretty much Rhodesia. Nobody gives a shit about the Falklands except Argentinians and Bongoids.
>>65290358DSA has to sell special dust covers because the regular ones flex too much
>>65290449IME they don't, I have an abomination of a scope mount someone welded together from a regular dust cover and some sort of 11mm rail and it feels pretty sturdy. Even so, DSA/B-Square/whatever the third option was exist if you want extra tensioning against the receiver, it's not like the aftermarket is suddenly out of the question when it comes to the FAL
>>65290449Doesn't seem to be much of an issue because even the retards at Imbel have managed to come up with a railed dust-cover of their own for the 308 NATO, which is fundamentally still an FAL with a simplified gas adjustment system.
>>65289764Unfortunately DSA has pretty much a monopoly on FALs since IMBEL has shut down production on them.
M14 is the US army's biggest small arm procurement mistake of the 20th century
>>65290358The dust cover is not a good optic mount. The brits commonly ditched SUITs because the mount wouldn't hold zero - the scope was okay for the time.
>>65290571that would be the M16A2 actually>try to improve on perfection>ruin it forever
>>65290641The ones that are tensioned with screws probably work better. I usually don't keep optics around long enough to check if the zero is repeatable
>>65290677Real
>>65288451>Yeah noOne of us worked with these and one of us didn't. I'll let you work out which is which, and the next time that you're reading M14 complaints from an "expert" that doesn't mention the sights, think about this conversation and remember that they're full of shit.> M1A/M14 uses an IDENTICAL mounting system Not exactly, but close enough. Dunlap had this to say about it:>with regards to checking weapons in the pacific theater in 1945, getting ready for a possible invasion of japan>"We did a lot of light repair work on these trips—repaired sights, replaced swivels and stocks and adjusted the machine guns for timing."A lot of repaired sights? Odd. That's exactly what I had a problem with. I also adjusted the timing on M2's quite frequently, which was something that the gun crews had been trained to do themselves, but timing gauges have a way of going missing and some things apparently never change. I don't remember a problem with M14 swivels.1/2
>>65290850More from Dunlap:>"Most repair jobs on the M1 concerned the front end—they would fire only singleshot because of insufficient gas to fully recoil the bolt, due to worn cylinders. The only real cure was a new gas cylinder, plus operating rod in some cases, but when we had none of them we usually got the rifles to work by amputating up to 2″ of the operating spring so that it did not offer so much resistance to the backward movement of the piston (on tip of operating rod) and allowing operation by less gas than normally required. Also numerous were rear-sight repair jobs, entailing replacement of missing parts usually."I have zero experience on repairing the M1 in a professional manner and make no claims to be an expert here, but from my understanding of it, if you're replacing the gas cylinder, either it already has a sight installed or you're moving the sight from the old cylinder to the new one. Either way, it's sufficiently tightened and essentially good as new. The problem with it is loosening over time or getting knocked out of alignment through rough handling. As for the rear sight, people were no longer losing parts while adjusting it by the M14, but people were absolutely knocking it loose by (properly) turning the rifle upside down to clean it in order to keep shit out of the gas system and (improperly) not bottoming the rear sight, thereby banging it on the nearest convenient hard surface. I'd imagine that this was not much of a problem in the Pacific, where it wasn't being cleaned on a hard surface. Dunlap goes on to state that they were constantly replacing barrels due to corrosion, which obviously meant rezeroing, which meant fixing the front sight.You won't see this on Reddit or Youtube because those fuckers never actually used one in a combat environment, and it's not a problem with the M1A because those tend to be scoped or safe queens. It's a service rifle problem. They're great range toys, and I've never claimed otherwise.
>>65288557>The best thing about the M14 is the Iron sightsExcept for their fragility (particularly the front), which they fixed with the M16 and completely avoided with the EBR.>and the auto-regulating short stroke gas systemAn objective improvement over the M1. Not perfect, but good enough. Of course, if your claim to fame is incrementally improving a post-WWI design during the Cold War, you should probably raise the bar a little higher.The fact that you didn't mention the action strength, overall weight, magazine durability, or combi tool tells me all that I need to know about where you're getting your information from. That was an insult, in case you were wondering. Your sources of information are repeating bullshit that they heard elsewhere, and so are you. Find better sources of information with firsthand experience.>no, not that boomer that shot 30 rounds through one in boot camp and then went to vietnam with a m16, do better
>>65289969>no one tried to accurize a FAL and use it as a DMR like a G3 or M14They didn't bother to accurize it, but pretty much every country that used the SUIT sight did so specifically for their marksman FALs.
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>>65286475>my stamped thin little sheet metal G3 with cucked spot welds holding everything together feels more rugged than a milled forged steel machine of beautykeep telling me more how youre a zoomtard
did they ever make FALs or G3s in 556?
>>65290962I have the top cover for this exact sight but no mount or scope sadly
>>65291098Absolutely.Imbel MD was a Brazilian FAL shortened down in 5.56mm. likewise, H&K's own HK33s/HK53s are G3s scaled down and have seen widespread use around the world. There have been some imported to the US as the HK93.
>>65289786How do you even accurise a tilting block
Why do BRfags get so vocal about shit they obviously don't know? And what's with the aggression towards ARfags, is it just projection and envy that those little queers over there get to shoot their safe queens more often/for cheaper?
>>65291252Are you just making up false scenarios for attention?
>>65291258Im describing this very thread
>>65291270Care to post examples?
>>65291284nta but, Read the thread
>>65290850>>65290875>one example >of the decades of service with the M1Cool story bro.
>>65291344Thats what I thought.
>>65291384No, I don't think you do
>>65289949>Literally any country that adopted the G3 mattering
>>65289764DSA has been fine the last 5-6 years.t. have a forged Israeli receiver from them I did a kit build on and got a 50.61 patter rifle from them a few months ago when they had a big sale on
>>65291355Your concession is noted.
>>65291711The brownest phrase on the internet
>>65286475Sold off all my BRs except my G3. Had the same sentiment. The Fal is fine, the M14 is nice but heavy. The G3 was really the perfect gun between them all.
>>65289764Those retards have been trying to make functional FAL magazines for 20 fucking years and still can't do it even with all the factory tooling and technical drawings they got from Steyr.
>>65286668>fourthTry 5th or below>AR10>SCAR>G3>FAL>the restRifles like M76s and 542s are neat but you could probably count the number of anons who own them on your hands.
>>65290199The G3 is a son of a bitch but I'm also kind of a sissy honestly.
>>65292309Had, they can make them now just not a huge production.
>>65291690lol no one matters outside of the USA and nipland>>65290962>>65290946>>65290485>>65290489Can't be that good of a solution considering countries like norwayistan used or continue to use G3s as DMRs but no country like bongolia or ausfalia retained the FAL to be a DMR. they all switched to 308 AR based rifles
>>65292449I think it's more that the UK and Australia sold off their inventory almost immediately after going to the SA80/F88 family. Plus you're wrong, both adopted AR-based rifles later. The Brits had the L86 and the Aussies didn't have a DMR at all until 2011
>>65292477the L86 is a bullpup AR-18
>>65292500And not .308
>>65290641I honestly suspect the SUIT mount with it's little springy thingies to be the weaker link in the chain than the dustcover. The way the scope is held in the mount speaks of great optimism on the designers' side.
>>65292354SCAR-H doesn't count because it's basically an AR-18 chambered in 7.62 natoAR-10 was too pure for this sinful earth
>>65291834You think I'm brown. I think you're nogunz, and not a particularly smart one at that. Let's see who's closer.
I remember when I was a kid, I really wanted an FAL, because I thought it was a big ass gun that shot a big ass bullet. This logic was also why I considered the AK to be superior to the AR, because 7.62 > 5.56.My friends told me the FAL was a piece of shit but I kinda still want one
>>65293271Get one. They are fine rifles. The good days of quality brazilian and austrian parts are over, but I don't think you'll regret it. Its not even my favorite battle rifle.
>>65291834Pathetic.>>65292477Doctrinally Australia had a DMR from around '92 onwards and it was always a planned part of the small arms replacement program where they went from 7.62 to 5.56. F88S fitted with 3.4x optics were issued to lead and second scouts in infantry battalions, who were doctrinally capable of the function of designated marksmen (ie, extending the range for identification and effective fire against point targets past that of which riflemen could achieve). Lucky units (ie teachers pet infantry battalions in Townsville) often had enough spare rifles and scopes that the secco also had them. The rifle, the basis of issue and the concept of employment is kind of obscure and mostly lost to history, with very few references to it on the internet. In a lot of ways the rifle, and Australian prototype Minimis with rails that were floating around in the same 1988-1992 period, is extremely interesting because they're almost certainly the immediate predecessor to US Picatinny rails and their adoption. Basically the US guy from Picatinny who would later develop and push mil std 1913 into existence did an exchange posting to Australia while they were doing their small arms replacement program and saw how handy having standardised rails based on basically a commercial pattern on everything was for rapid iteration and swapping shit around and generally nigger rigging stuff, then went back and immediately went ham on it. None of it is officially recorded, but I spoke to a lot of people who were there and confirmed it, but the actual American dude ghosted my emails chasing him up about it lol.
>>65293271I think its major weakness is the trigger, which just comes in a gradient of awful and is hard to improve without making the gun unsafe. Other than that it's not half bad
