can they pull it off the second time around?
>>65290026the fuck are they gonna do? nook and walk in?
>>65290026holy shit, monke is really going to keep attacking until every last zigger is dead or ukraine gives up
>>65290026I find it funny how they think taking Kyiv would instantly end the war. It worked like that hundreds of years ago because taxes were physically transported to the capital and physically delivered to everyone on the governments dime, these days it's just symbolic.
>>65290026Will this be the last stand of the Russian air force?
>>65290026No.
Capture Kyiv how?
>>65290026This is Russian way of saying "It's Mobilization time!".They already closed all remaining border crossings to Finland (except heavy cargo line that doesn't carry passengers). Luka has been touring China and Norks rallying for Supports, but results have been questionable. Luka knows that if Belarus is drawn into the war, he's ultrafucked. So he might deliberatly try to torpedo the whole thing. Or at least he's looking for a retirement spot. But I guess it's Mobilization-o-clock very soon.
Gloves are coming off this time
>>65290026they don't even have gasoline
>>65290088Mechanization is gay HATO shit, comrade. Real men walk everywhere like during the Napoleonic Wars.
>>65290048>I find it funny how they think taking Kyiv would instantly end the war.It's funny anon yeah, but you need to understand it's also massive projection yet again and yet another way in which ""modern"" Russia is literally just some lostec and foreign oil money slapped onto the exact same old Tsarist feudal state, with an extra mixing of modern mafia. This is now a few years out of date and will be worse due to all the oil damage, but take a look at this economic map. If you open it to full size and zoom you'll see a little ittybitty blue up nw, that's St Pidorsburg.So for Russia taking their capital really is the same as effectively taking the whole country. It's that much of a primitive fucking shithole. To some extent the same thinking/projection applies to a lot of their ook ook gonna noook threats. The USA is massively distributed with tons of economic production across the whole country. So it takes a LOT of nukes to actually really take it out, not that we wouldn't suffer a lot from a smaller number but it's genuinely pretty hard to take out even 50% of the US. But Russia really could be effectively stomped with just a handful getting through to two small areas.
You were deprived of>Dollar-store D-dayNow prepare to be disappointed by>Battle of the Blyat
Oh god the Ruskie casualties are goning to be immense.
>>65290136Think they'll the Red Forest route again?
>>65290026Will that larger than pre war tank fleet finally show?
WHO ELSE BUT THE VEH DE VEH
>>65290072>This is Russian way of saying "It's Mobilization time!".Eh. I might well be wrong in how fucking dumb chiefmonke is but this reads more to me like internal/external propaganda, "OH WE R SUPR SERIUS THIS TIME GUIZ!!!! SURRENDER HATO... OR ELSE!!!!!!"Like, it's impossible to do such a thing in stealth anymore. Everyone would see it coming forever away. As you gather this huge force (which would heavily have to be dumb meat because Snowgeria has pissed away so much actual kit) Ukraine would go to town on it with drones and it'd get easier and easier as it approached the borders and got denser. Both the golems and the logistics to support them. There's no more "neener you can't hit us across this line" anymore, all of russia is hittable whenever. And as an even more simple matter it's almost fucking July already. They're "drawing up a plan" mid-summer? So can't even pretend to think about really executing until next year lol.
>>65290113>Battle of the BlyatCan someone please post that screenshot of armchair copelord saying that Kursk was the Ukrainian's battle of the bulge? Because I think that bald nigga might act be cursed by Apollo for such (albeit misunderstood) foresight
>>65290088This. Here's a current take form an actual vatnik blogger:>Ukraine is scaling up efforts to eliminate the cracking units of Russian refineries, which are what turn kerogens and big hydrocarbons into the smaller alkanes and alkenes that make the money.>Moscow refinery is screwed, with it being inop for at least 3 months or possibly until 2027 according to othe reports. Even then, the milblogger notes that Ukraine fucked up one of the cracking towers so badly that even after repairs, the refinery won't be able to operate at max capacity until it is replaced entirely.>Yaroslavl and Ryazan's refineries are also utterly fucked and unable to support Moscow demand. Diesel production at the former is reportedly completely disabled, and the projected repair timeline is basically "Uhh...TBD!">Noginsk is now the main fuel supplier for Moscow. It predictably has nowhere near enough capacity for Moscow proper, much less Moscow Oblast.>Russia is not only just trying to get more gasoline from Kazakhstan and Georgia, but also Belarus's refineries too. Even with that, the milblogger notes the prices will still be shit and the supply still won't be sufficient.>Chatter that Lukashenko is aware of Zelensky's threats and warnings, and acknowledgement that Russia would be even more turbofucked if Ukraine started lobbing drones and Flamingos into Belarusian refineries.>Some of the Russian republics are considering reviving the "samovar" micro-refineries...which the milblogger acknowledges as causing catastrophic environmental damage. Also they're comically inefficient, using up like 2-3 times as much crude for the amount of diesel or gasoline they produce, and their products are bottom-tier quality stuff that eats engines.>China is now the only source of cracking towers for Russia, but the Russians can expect a 2-year delivery time for any replacement unit they order right now.
>>65290153>So can't even pretend to think about really executing until next year lol.PLEASE let them hold off till Winter! Please Tsar Putin, the sight of columns of unmounted, undernourished, underequipped conscripts collapsing one by one in the snow would be kino of the highest order.
>>65290158That wasn't Kursk he was saying that about. It was the 2022 counteroffensive that booted the ziggers out of northern Ukraine and pushed all the way to the river down south in Kherson.
>>65290113Heh, nice one.>>65290143God I hope so. I want to see ziggers breathing all that dust sent up by the 24/7 drone swarms they'll be dealing with. Missed the drone? No worries, have some radioactive dust in your lungs. Imagine being in a trench dugout with that constant dust.
>>65290153>Next summerNo cumrag you do not understand superior Russian tactics. New intel from the front indicates mines and drones freeze in the snow and the bullet wounds will freeze shut allowing brave Russian heroes to advance through the puny Ukrainian nazi lines.
>>65290169NTA.
>>65290174I was being sarcastic, so thanks for that benefit of the doubt.
>>65290175Did Jompy actually say that?
>>65290169With that much high quality armor I'm sure that they could punch a massive hole through the Ukraniane lines. If I were the Russias I'd throw everything into an offensive, and to hit the lines where they're the thinnest I'd try pontooning this offensive. And to maximize speed I wouldn't have infantry support, and for opsec sake I'd make sure my troops don't know what's happening before the attack begins.The piggers wouldn't see it coming.
>>65290159>>Chatter that Lukashenko is aware of Zelensky's threats and warnings, and acknowledgement that Russia would be even more turbofucked if Ukraine started lobbing drones and Flamingos into Belarusian refineries.Yeah, Lukashenko may not be the shiniest potato peeler in history but he can look at a fucking map, look at what Ukraine is pulling off in Moscow of all places and across the rest of Russia, and realize Belarus would be absolutely turboraped if it was subjected to the same attacks and there is absolutely nobody who could help him and would (russia just couldn't). Belarus has nothing to threaten anyone with at this point, they can only stay neutralish by actually acting that way.
>>65290176Not T90Ms specifically, but for some reason he thinks there is some hidden larger than pre war functional tank fleet.
>>65290177
>>65290180Just glanced at his Twitter. He's much more of a "neutroler" than I expected. Convert Cabal has also started to annoy me.
>>65290160>>65290171>WINTER>OFFENSIVE
send in wave after wave. it'll work eventually.
>>65290188Fucker literally counts tank storages to give accurate counts that show how much Russia fucked up. And then says there’s some huge remaining fleet we just can’t see. I don’t get it.
>>65290197I bet the BTRZ's are really inefficient in terms of >Numbers of tanks pulled from storage needed to make one functioning combat tank
>>65290197>I don’t get it.NTA it's because it's the only reasonable conclusion if you believe Russia's claims that they build new hulls and how many they claim to build.Either:1. Tank casualties have been massively underestimated, 2. Russia has been building a tank stockpile somewhere, or3. Russia was lying and has not actually been building new hulls.I have been saying 3 for several years now, before we would even expect to be able to look around and find this supposed tank reserve (which we can't). But I don't have access to any of the sources or methods used to arrive at the conclusion that Russia builds hulls, other than Russia saying they do. Maybe there's compelling evidence. I don't think there is though.
>>65290026Syrskyi is fucking great, good they changed out that potato shaped dude.
>>65290222>3. Russia was lying and has not actually been building new hulls.Also NTA; I really need to make a picrel for this. Every last Russian tank thread eventually devolves into an evidenceless argument on this point. I happen to believe Russia isn't building new hulls.
>>65290048I forgot the game, but I think it was the PC version of Risk in the early 00s. One of the gameplay modes was "Napoleonic" which meant you won when you seized the opponents capital
I wonder what kind of fortifications Ukraine has on the Belarusian border, they have built some pretty damn extensive and formidable ones near the front lines, some segments of which have been seen in drone footage. (Like the amazing STEADY zigger on top of his hill of dead cumrags) Pic rel.
>>65290222Impossible cause Russia never lies
>>65290180There is. Only 20 of their tanks were fully functional before the war, now they have 200 T-34UM7 Obr.2024 Obr.2026s in fully restored condition just waiting to roll into Kiev.
>>65290159they already lowered fuel standards which is already fucking up engines
>>65290026My favorite are the recent claims they never tried to actually take Kyiv.
>>65290180Jumpy thinks in worst case scenarios, if Russia pulls out a T-55 from the factory back into the yard, he counts it fully refurbished and combat ready. Instead of everything being so fucked it cant even be rebuilt
>>65290256
>>65290280
Does the precipitation of suspended matter—which can be easily removed with a simple filter—indicate that the gasoline has been stored for a long time or kept under poor conditions?
>>65290342its probably whatever was left from bombed refineries, debris included.
>The Second Battle of Kiev
>>65290342It's just worse class of gasoline, EURO-2 or -3. Less refined so there's more particulate matter. EURO-3 has a max sulfur content of 150 ppm while EURO-2 allows 500 ppm. These fuels do not play nice with modern engines so all the elite's fancy Mercedes and BMWs will shit the bed, which is hilarious.https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-may-allow-lower-quality-fuel-production-imports-supply-crisis-bites-2026-06-29/
just mix in some cooking oil and you'll be golden
>>65290026
>columns of T60’sPlease
>>65290026Putty preparing to prepare to develop draft plans for tenatitive meeting to discuss talking points for a draft presentation for a future meeting to discuss why the special military operation is taking 5 years.
>>65290364this you?
>>65290169He's also claiming that they're putting refurbished tanks back into storage, but he can't publish satellite images of this happening due to some weird rules changes that ban the public sharing of these images from the companies that he buys them from. So take what he says without proof with huge grains of salt
>>65290169I'm almost certain a significant fraction of those are T-55s and T-62s with a body kit to make them look like a more formidable vehicle.
>>65290395>Day 1589 of the SVO>Russian civilians are forced to fuel their cars with straight vegetable oil (SVO)
>>65290143Blowout when?
>>65290325>Using the doors as additional fuel tanksTruly, they live in the jet age
>>65290412tank is tank
>>65290026So this entire conflict is a way of population control right? Send off all the undesirable and too intellectual men to die so they don't start a revolution? Nothing else makes sense
>>65290429>Nothing else makes senseRussians have been doing this shit for hundreds of years anon.
>>65290241Getting through this was always hard, but in the drone age it might just be impossible.
>>65290436There's a video of a Russian coming across barbed wire in what looks like a relatively untouched area. The moment he sees the barbed wire he looks around for a few seconds and then sits down. A drone came in about a minute later to kill him>>65290412Jumpy did an update on remaining tank and bmp stockpiles earlier this month. Once I get home from amt school I'll post the picture of it
>>65290325Garage54?
>>65290026Probably not.But, things are always happening.
>>65290029Well you see, they actually LEGALLY captured Kyiv.
>>65290441There's no better duo than ziggers and concertina wire. I still remember fondly the one video where a zigger gets droned and decides to end it all by slitting his throat with the concertina wire that was nearby.
>>65290443Ahahahah help me North Korea!
>>65290239There was a lot of unofficial Risk modding that was surprisingly workable. I have this one where you win rounds and open envelopes and there are bonus/disadvantage permanent changes by the victor but then Atlantis can retun in the middle of the atlantic and fuck up a bunch of shit.https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/105134/risk-legacyI really really enjoy it and played 3 people's boards plus mine.
>armchair warlord is still in hiatus lel
>>65290461forgot my pic
>>65290459Hasbro maintains all but the standard box Risk are fanfic btw lol even though they publish them.
God it's satisfying to see their gas ruin their engines, it soothes my soul.
>>65290466Is he writing a highschool girl anime-like militarily fiction?
>>65290163IIRC he said it about the Lyman offensive, the 2023 counteroffensive, and Kursk
>>65290472so can you unfuck it or do you need to replace the engine?
>>65290105Where is Crimea on this map?
>>65290417Soon, fellow stalker.>>65290461This felt really abrupt to me, like the checks quit coming three months ago and he finally decided it wasn't just lost in the mail.
>>65290026Putin's new general will make it work this time
>>65290502Don't think it'll fuck it up completely, but they'll have to at the very least open the engine up and clean out the injectors and possibly more. That particulate matter is wayyy too large for modern injection systems, and probably too much for other things upstream from them.>>65290512>This felt really abrupt to me, like the checks quit coming three months ago and he finally decided it wasn't just lost in the mail.Naah I think Nostradumbass does it for the love of the game (game being humiliation.)
>>65290026Russia is (more slowly than a snail) pushing Ukraine back showing that Ukraine does not have the manpower to solidly hold their ground against what Russia is currently throwing against them. So it is within the realm of reasonable possibility that a substantial push would break the Ukie lines. War is not, "If you can hold 100,000 men to 1 inch an hour, you can hold 500,000 men to 5 inches an hour." The 500,000 waltz over, kill all the defenders, and then proceed. If there isn't a line of defense behind it that can stop 500,000 then you're just fucked. Russia can probably take Kiev (just like the US could take every non-nuclear -armed city on Earth); the question is whether they have the motivation. Most Russians won't want to log out of Counterstrike and sign up for an infantry assault so they're not going to get 100% mobilization.
>>65290527Ukraine still hasn't mobilized either and they have a few million people as refugees in other countries so they have additional manpower they can tap into
>>65290517>what if we could use more than 10% of the potential of our brains?>find out tonight on the history channel
>kalininigrad out of gasi thought they buy it from Europe?
Total Harvest Death has begun, brothers.>it'll be enough to irrigate our apple orchard about three more times, then it'll be gone>the pump that supplies water also runs on diesel
>>65290527Firstly, if Russia was capable of that kind of massive push they would have done it years ago. Secondly, there is absolutely no way to mass that kind of formation without Western/Ukrainian intelligence finding out and bombing it to shit. Thirdly, the Ukrainians have been net positive in territory gains for the past couple of months, so in fact the Russians are the ones being pushed back overall.
>>65290545now we're talking
>>65290545Good. Excellent even.
In fact, they are building military infrastructure.Most likely, this time they have a plan for a (probable) invasion much further east.I've attached the images. Translate them yourself using neural networks.
>>65290475Has been. His pfp is the villain from one of them, or something like that.
>>65290475Literally always was
>img fixed
>>65290169Sure they do. And they've not used them decisively because?>the dronesWon't go away and will in fact get worse wherever a bunch of tanks are seen moving to.>waiting to exploit a breakthroughThey'll oxidize completely in their secret underground bases before that ever happens.
>>65290566>>65290572>Ukraine/Belarus borderAh, I remember scuttlebutt in the early days of the invasion that there was a plan to try to send a thrust through Belarus to cut off the supply route from Poland. The general consensus seemed to be that the terrain is terrible for vehicles and practically murderous for footsloggers so they probably wouldn't risk it.Putin might be desperate enough now though. I'm not so sure the Potato Marshal shares his view, however.
>>65290029Well actually... I wouldn't be surprised if they did launch some nukes and then tell the rest of the world that if they intervene they too will get nuked. Basically proving they have no qualms about nukes.
>>65290512He got broken by pidorsburg.https://files.catbox.moe/0zsmkc.mp4
>36 hour line for gasi would literally have a psychotic break
>>65290527
>>65290441Here's the updated tank and BMP storage counts from earlier this month. Jompy had also mentioned that they've begun pulling out alot of the older logistical trucks that have been sitting out in the open Siberian air for decades now
>>65290599Don't they have 20 liter limits too? Imagine spending a day and a half waiting in line to buy a quarter tank of gas that costs a week's wage.
>>65290605>Don't they have 20 liter limits too?depends on the area, but there are reports and videos saying that people are coming in with flatbed trucks and taking all of the fuel in order to resell it at higher prices.
>>65290609Chechens even.
>>65290592At best that would result in eastern Ukraine being the last conquest Russia ever makes due to pretty much every European nation churning out nukes of their own, many of which can bodge together a nuclear gravity bomb in a matter of days.At worst it would result in the Europeans deciding that coexistence with Russia is impossible and therefore Russia must be destroyed at any cost.
>>65290179Lukashenko has ayed this whole situation about as well as he could have considering his position. he has to try and balance russian wished to join the war, his peoples wishes to stay out of it, Ukraine that could do real damage to Belarus even before their current capabilities. You could also include NATO, since a war between them and russia would place Belarus in the war path of both sides. Over all he has been able to stay relatively neutral, never doing anything directly impacting Ukraine while also looking like he is helping his russians allies (also saving Putin during the Wagner rebellion).It's also not just the sovereignty and security of Belarus he has to maintain, but his own position/life.
>>65290026Yeah the only reason it hasn't happened is because they didn't want to. The only reason.
>>65290159>2 year delivery timeDoesn't this work off the assumption that Russia doesn't have significant competition for refineries? How much is the shit in the ME going to increase those costs as ME nations compete for the towers?
>can they pull it off the second time around?the second time it would be even more of a shitshow from the russians
>>65290408I can actually see that being true. Tanks haven't been used at any scale for a long time now, even using them as artillery is largely over because they are easy targets for drones. The russians probably ordered every salvageable hull to be refurbished , but now that tanks aren't being used and thus tank losses are much lower, they now just have a bunch of refurbished tanks they have no current need for. what else to do but send them back to storage.
>>65290527>it is within the realm of reasonable possibility that a substantial push would break the Ukie linesSo why haven't they done this instead of slowly trickling in hundreds of thousands of men to die to capture 1/20th of a field?
>>65290169>Jompy says they have thousands of T90MsAnd he has proof of this?
>>65290663Why didn't the US just do a WW2 style mobilization to win Vietnam?
Really the only thing left for them is going to be nooks. Mobiking will either end the regime or literally require equipping them with nuggets and doing Banzai. It'll be a nook ook ook threat to keep Crimea and donbebwe and I remain forgetful of what African Luhansk is.I'm not saying the nooks will work I am just saying they have no cards left. Actually in retrospect chemical weapons would be their next move.>>65290592I'mma put money (figuratively) on chemical weapons when I think about it. Novichok or whatever. It's enough bullshit to let Trump have wiggle room from threatening a nuke in response, and chemical weapons have widely been used without soliciting a nuclear involvement (Cubans used em in Angola, Saddam in Iran and in Iraq, I think Egypt in Yemen).Monkey logic is if you turn Kiev into an inhospitable nerve-saturated shithole then the regime will collapse because projection of everyone else being overcentralized.
>>65290592>I wouldn't be surprised if they did launch some nukes and then tell the rest of the world that if they intervene they too will get nuked. Basically proving they have no qualms about nukes.That's fucking retarded. A country that uses nukes offensively in an attack war will get isolated by everyone - even China, since the last thing they want is nuclear proliferation.
>>65290618>Over all he has been able to stay relatively neutral,He has not. He's been on Russia's side the moment he allowed them to use his country as a launching point for their invasion>>65290639There's a few issues with that theory though. The first being that Jompy's claim is being backed up by "Trust me bro. It's just that the satellite imaging company isn't allowing me to post these pictures due to their updated Terms of service or whatever." He's also the only person that I know of that is actually saying that Russia is putting refurbished tanks back into storage. With that being said, OSINT twitter has shown off refurbished Russian tanks appearing in places like Africa along with there being reports that Russia has given some refurbished T-72s to Belarus as well. We know that Russia is desperate for cash so there's a possibility that a number of these unused refurbished tanks are being sold off in order to fill Russia's dwindling coffers. So Russia just allowing newly refurbished tank hulls sitting out in the open and not being used or sold off is something that I think would be seen as a waste of time and effort by the Russian MoD and/or the Kremlin. The other fact is that not every tank hull becomes a refurbished tank. Some become engineering vehicles, others become TOS-1s, others get stripped of parts to such a degree that they end up getting scrapped completely, etc.
>>65290667I'm sure it's because they just didn't want to win and no other reason.
>>65290222>3. Russia was lying and has not actually been building new hulls.Correct. He's the thing:- UVZ was "producing" about ~200 tanks per year during 2012-2022;- that would imply that during the decade before the 2022 invasion their tank fleet grew by 2,000 units;- yet all the data shows that the amount of tanks didn't actually change;- how can this be? easy, all of the "produced" tanks were deep refurbs from storage;- a T-72B is taken and a T-72B3 is made, or a T-72B3 is taken and a T-90 is made, or a T-90A is taken and a T-90M is made;- basically it's storage morphing slowly its contents, not growing the amount;- and yes, there is a benefit of this work, since even a T-72B3 Obr 2013 or T-72B3 Obr 2016 are way better than their older variants, but one should be clear that no actual additional tanks were made;Let's take the late 2022 contract of the RU MoD for tank modernization: it included 800 of T-62 shitboxes to be modernized into something usable, with the timeline of 3 years for the contract. So, it should've happened by now, so yeah those tanks could've been "added" into the actual army, being relegated to unusable state in storage before. But those tanks probably have already been seen on the frontlines at least in some capacity.
>>65290395it's a... special fueling operation
>>65290502most likely the direct fuel injectors got fucked up, costly fix but not "swapping the engine" bad
>>65290096Unironically yes
WHY THE FUCK ARE THOSE POLISH JEWS LIKE THIS? THIS RETARDED MOTHERFUCKER JUST PAINTED CHRISTIANS RED.."I do not rejoice at their deaths; I do not rejoice at the numbers. I didn't rejoice when there were a hundred thousand of them, nor when there were 200, 300, or 500—I took no joy in it.When people ask me, 'Oleksa(that jew(yep he is a fake christian kike) nazi preacher changed his name from Alexander), why don't you rejoice at this? Why don't you feel that kind of joy?' I reply: 'You know, in my case, only one number(of dead) will satisfy me—and that is *all* of them(Russians).'Forgive me, but—all of them. I am not bloodthirsty; I am a man who wants to live. Forgive me, but when the choice hangs in the balance—them or us, and the question is how many of them there are—I will always choose us.And the methods by which this happens do not depend on me. I am not the commander-in-chief; I am not the person who decides what weapons will be used. I am a chaplain. I have my duties, and I fulfill them to the best of my ability," the chaplain declared.
>>65290556nah they've hated the fact that balts exist and refuse to transmog into mongoloid mutants for centuries, before the soviet even kicked Germans out of Königsberg
>>65290342my guess is fuel resellers improperly storing it
>>65290779Please produce them, as we can see the videos of the current gas station gas crisis and the enshittification of russian fuel.
>>65290825Concession accepted, I believe that's the phrase that gets used now
>>65290768USSR didn't subsidize shit outside of Moscow and Pidorgrad. Look at how Russian Karelia has been left to degrade, and that's supposed to be actual Russian territory. The Baltics in 1989 looked pretty much like they did in 1940 (just prior to the "basing rights" demand from Stalin), except with more commieblocks.
>>65290768>built by the ussronly thing USSR to its subjects did was destroy anything it touched. there's a reason why eastern europe still didn't recover from communist rule and it wasn't because "USSR built it up">>65290672what would they even achieve with chemical weapons at this point. even if they drop nuke-tier chem bomb on kiev, it obviously won't make ukrainians surrender so it's useless strategically, it's useless tactically because there is no massing infantry and it does nothing against drones. not that anyone would do anything either. it will just be another to list of warcrimes and at most EU will set up 25th sanction package and sternly worded letter and trump won't do shit
>>65290113kek
>>65290672Problem with chemical weapons is that they are easy to make, and russia has a lot more vulnereable targets if ukrainians also start using them as a response.
>>65290087Partially fake news. It's only the rail border crossings
>>65290545
>>65290708>You know, in my case, only one number(of dead) will satisfy me—and that is *all* of them(Russians)Rare to see a position so based and yet also so moderate
>>65290612>At worst it would result in the Europeans deciding that coexistence with Russia is impossible and therefore Russia must be destroyed at any cost.>at worst>total obliteration of russia>at worstGet your head on straight anon, looking at it from a russian perspective will rot your brain.
>>65290239>NapoleonicIronic, considering what happened after Napoleon "seized" Moscow.
>>65290612>many of which can bodge together a nuclear gravity bomb in a matter of daysWho? The finn LoL
>>65290592only one other anon gets it mostly rightnukes are a blunt weapon, its wages would be>Ukraine's primary manufacturing sites destroyed>...along with everything you wanted to conquer, so enjoy your unusable expensive debris fields when your country has to recover from post-war extreme inflationary spending combined with a cooling economy>meanwhile, the majority of Ukraine's military power is still alive (due to the literal armies of western intelligence officers who are paid solely to stare at Russian missile silos and predict/prevent nuclear catastrophe), and likely getting even more western arms by an *actually* galvanized west>also, you are now ACTUALLY cut off from China and India, who recognize the extreme economic and existential threat you pose by breaking the nuclear taboo and likely permanently fucking trade (possibly NK as well, but who cares about them)>lastly, there is a real possibility you are killed/assassinated by oligarchs (the primary ones paying for the war, who you are already on thin ice with since they were already getting poorer with each passing day/flamingo) or by popular revolt by a people scared of themselves getting nukedand of course, this all came with the actual risk of>getting nuked by a pants shitting westthere really isn't a world where Russia hits the button short of western invasion
>>65290592At which point russia will get nuked by everyone including their "friends". Good plan, I like it.
>>65290955>>...along with everything you wanted to conquer, so enjoy your unusable expensive debris fields when your country has to recover from post-war extreme inflationary spending combined with a cooling economydo you ever learn? russians don't care about that. as long as someone elses suffers more than them, it's worthwhile endeavour at any cost.
>>65290072>closed all remaining border crossings to FinlandFinland closed the border years ago...So all this time Russia had customs officers uselessly hanging around empty border crossing points doing fuck-all?
>>65290088Maybe that's what all restrictions in the far East are actually for?
>>65290325Now that is smekalka
>>65290169Ah yes, the secret Armata battalionsMosqueow is getting raped this hard for the first time since maybe Napoleon, you'd think this would be a big enough reason to send them tank legions charging
>>65290517>Hail to the great Yuri!
>>65290686>- UVZ was "producing" about ~200 tanks per year during 2012-2022;>- that would imply that during the decade before the 2022 invasion their tank fleet grew by 2,000 units;>- yet all the data shows that the amount of tanks didn't actually change;>- how can this be? easy, all of the "produced" tanks were deep refurbs from storage;Nice mental gymnastics, but they were produced for export.
>>65290937Well, Moscow wasnt russian capital back then. Easy to forget, i know
>>65290955I'm pretty confident an aggressive nuclear strike would justify a Five Eyes assassination, never mind the oligarchs
>>65290545russians are going to starve and you're laughing?!
>>65290609>depends on the areamore like depends on which gas stations are taking bribes
>>65290026I heard from three reliable sources that ever since Wagner was exiled to Belarus they have been preparing for a thunder run to Kiev and Lviv. They've been recruiting and training the best highly motivated men and all of Russia's new T-90M production has been allocated to them in secret. They have thousands of tanks and IFVs ready, hiding in pre-prepared positions just across the border. I was also told Russia has been holding most of their airforce in reserve just for this occasion, the skies above central and western Ukraine will be filled with jets providing cover for the attack and hour after hour there will be waves of hundreds of Shahed's and Iskander's bombarding any and all Ukrainian positions to dust.
>>65291028I hope you are right, at least it will be interesting
>>65291028But do they have armatas
>>65291028It does kind of explain why they've been using more MT-LBs than BMP-2s, but they're basically sacrificing their air force if they're committing to a second push.
>>65290159>Noginsk is now the main fuel supplier for Moscow.>It's in Moscow oblast, right outside the cityI'll give it a week at most.
>>65291030Armatas are being held in reserve for the eventual reconquest of Central-Asia and subjugation of China.
You know what's great?In the future, the first question anyone asks a russian they meet will be "When did you leave?"And the russian will lie and say a number close to 2022, maybe even 2014, rather than admit that they were one of the ones stupid enough to stick around until 2026 and onwards.
>>65290395>the useless whore standing there looking dumb, not even helping open the oil bottlesI'd say sell her for fuel instead, but he'd probably have to pay extra for that.
>>65291021I'm actually beating off to it.I can't remember: was it here or just telegram I posted my drone video cum tribute pics?
>>65290592>the thirdie fantasy of omnipotent "russia"
>>65290545Was always going to be a lean crop of ziggers when it came around to harvest time
>>65291028>the good times are coming brothers...>thousands of new, fresh tanks...>highly motivated and skilled new men... tens of thousands...>rossija will knock the gates of Kiev and everyone will know!>*hic*
>>65290280>engine blowout soon, fellow driver!
Anyone else have a creeping suspicion that we're going to see some Swan Lake before the year is out? This can't be sustainable.>>65290179>>65290618>>65290680I'm pretty sure that Col. Potato's internal math has been "how much do I need to contribute to this god-awful mess to avoid both drones and spicy tea" since March of '22.>He has not. He's been on Russia's side the moment he allowed them to use his country as a launching point for their invasionLike he had a choice? I'm not a Lukashenko fan for any number of reasons but somehow I don't think that "Sorry, Volodya, but I'm staying out of this one" isn't an answer that would be tolerated even if he felt inclined to give it - which there's no reason to believe he was, of course.
>>65291073Obviously it's not sustainable. And the on-going strikes are not going to stop. It will get worse.
>>65291028Ukraine will spike the defensive line with toilets.
>>65291081Sooner or later Ukraine will run out of targets to hit and they'll have to plea for a ceasefire.
>>65290680>He has not. He's been on Russia's side the moment he allowed them to use his country as a launching point for their invasionYou are 100% correct, but Luka switched to playing for time while not getting droned, defenestrated or spicy tea'd, and avoiding the Gadaffi colonoscopy after his regime implodes when it became clear thet it wasn't a 3 day SMO (i.e., around day 3)He will probably do everything he can to keep Belarus from being dragged down with Russia, as soon as the collapse begins to gain momentum.
>>65290686>>65291006If we wanted to really find out, we'd have to determine if the Indian T-90's hulls were new, or just refurbs/kept in storage at UVZ.
>>65291073The flamingos are pretty cheap and they even ramped up production, so the destruction of Russian gas infrastructure is not only sustainable, it's going to increase.They might run out of Russian refinineries and depots to destroy, though.
>>65290686>>65291125All export customers in total have received over 2100 T-90s, roughly matching public UVZ production figure totals over the years.And as you have established, this did not shrink russian stockpiles by 2k tanks.Therefore they cannot be refurbs.In an effort to downplay everything russia does, you've become just as fucking dumb as ziggers. Never go full retard.
>>65291081>>65291127Right, but I meant in the relatively short term. It feels like something is going to have to give in the Russian leadership sooner rather than later even with how ludicrously entrenched Putin is. How long can he hide in his Fuhrerbunker giving speeches about the immanence of victory while there's no gas and pretty shortly no harvest? Are we going to see a famine or will he be deposed by then? Not rhetorical; genuinely curious. I don't know enough about Russian supply chains or Russian logistics to be able to say "ah yes, Muscovites will start to starve in the third week of September barring a massive increase in cereal imports".
>>65290592>Fire nuke to test on Ukraine>Belgorod/Moscow goes up in flames from a singular 4 warhead trident as a response>You don't fire any more nukes
>>65290592>ook ook
Mein Putler, Prighozin....
>>65290577>And they've not used them decisively because?>>the dronesthe drones won't be present in Estonia or Latvia. In Ukraine their tanks will simply get destroyed before reaching the enemy but rapid mechanized maneuver warfare would still work against unprepared enemies. Look at the force dispositions in the Baltics, there is nothing that can stop a tank army even if NATO allies get involved kinetically (they won't)
>>65290542I wonder how much of the gas shortage is due to decreased production/lack of distribution, and how much is due to panic buyers and scalpers.
>>65291106This is how THE BEAR can still win this>do nothing while your infrastructure gets pummeled by drones and missiles>sooner or later dumb crests will run out of targets>since they don't find mindlessly bombing civvies as exciting as you are, they will surely leave you alone>if they leave after they bomb anything of interest in your country, you win (your ally Iran showed these dumb burgers how it works!)>20d smegmalka play on full display, the POCCNR stands undefeated
>>65291134Just to clarify, I'm>>65291125and not the other anon. I do not know if you were in the thread a few weeks back when we discussed Russian tank prooduction, but I was the one who pointed out that Russia should have between 2k and 4k tanks left at this point, even though they are not using them in active combat operations right now (tank losses are down compared to last year).They do have enough covered storages, and garages to park that many. I doon't knoow if anybody has bought SAR shots of some of the barracks areas to find out if thoese roofs are metal or noot.Russia has gone thorugh the entire serviceable stockpile, and they'll lfinish refurbing the last of it in a few months. Potentially next month, actually. That will be it for the T-55, T-62, T-64, T-72 and T-80 in Russia.Then they'll be left with a few hundred hulks that they can maybe turn into ARVs.Plus a production of actual T-90Ms, at a rate that RUSI said was projected around 250 a year for 2025.Not sure if/how the curren fuel situation plays havoc with any of this, but I assume the trains still run
>>65291136There's going to be some blood, the Monke can't let this shit slide for too long before he finds someone to throw under the electric bus to take the blameOnly problem is he's going to need to throw a fairly big, fat piece of shit under the bus to sate the bloodlust in the bucket of crabs, won't do to just throw some random fuckboy of the state department of penis measurements or secretary of giving no fucks.So it'll be at least 'a general' or someone like that caught for the usual bullshit
Probably not
>>65291159>and how much is due to panic buyers and scalpershey, they're helping)))
>>65291162>Russia has gone thorugh the entire serviceable stockpile, and they'll lfinish refurbing the last of it in a few months. Potentially next month, actually.They aren't going through the stockpile that fast, anon
>>65290888And what other methods do russians have to cross the border with the fuel crisis striking around the entire country?
>>65291162>but I assume the trains still runBold assumption considering the rail repair vehicles do require fuel, and I would hazardly guess that the railways themselves will be the next target after ukraine runs out of vulnereable fuel targets.
>>65291146>Look at the force dispositions in the Baltics, there is nothing that can stop a tank army even if NATO allies get involved kinetically (they won't)Except that Baltics have been stockpiling AT weapons for decades (Javelins, Spikes, AT4, Carl Gustav recoilless - where do you think Ukraine was getting theirs from?). Also the terrain. Also the NATO air-force and ground forces already stationed there. Also the fact that russia was not able to hide their invasion plans in 2022 - what makes you think they can come close to hiding today?
>>65291021Just avin a giggle, m8
>>65291159Who knows, i just enjoy watching Russia turn into The Hunger Games: Cuckingbird
>>65291185It's pretty much impossible for Ukraine to hit Russian fuel reserves hard enough that they won't be able to get fuel to vital load bearing infrastructure like rail and bridge repair. The war would simply be over at that point.The thing about rail repair vehicles though, is that in order to repair a rail that's been bombed, they have to be at a location that Ukraine is demonstrably able to hit. It's not exactly a recipe for keeping your engineers and equipment in good working order for very long. They'll still have to fix that shit or else entire regions would get cut off to wither, but it'll be whoever they can scrounge together, hauling hand tools in pickup trucks instead of dedicated engineering vehicles. Longer down time, slower repairs, shoddier work, more accidents, and more mobik suffering.
>>65291198>is that in order to repair a rail that's been bombed, they have to be at a location that Ukraine is demonstrably able to hit.How often does Ukraine use drones or missiles to just attack railroads though? Let alone double tap then during repairs?I'm genuinely curious, do we know if they actually do that? Sure, rail in range of mortar fire gets fucked up, but I feel like using a drone to put a dent in sone rail is probably a waste of a drone that could hit a much juicier target.
The Vietnam War lasted for 19 years, 5 months, and 29 days and they still lost
>>65290667because such a monumentally retarded loss of life and money would have toppled the American government. I assume that even ziggers must have a breaking point like that too
>>65291174>They aren't going through the stockpile that fast, anonI was going off CovertCabal and jompy numbers frmo late last year, they obviously only do vehicle counts and track how many are where at the time of the sat shot.But still, at the rate they were going then they should have finished emptying the storage depots by now, and moved the tanks to be refurbed to either UVZ or one of the BTRZs.The work hours per vehicle are probably going up as the quality declines, but they should be done with the ones that were in 'bad' condition sometime around August or September. Then they'll probably start on what are essentially wrecks, hulls that have not moved in 30, sometimes up to 50 years, with no turrets, or no guns, but those require practically full rebuilds.I expect a ot of conversins to ARVs, as I said above.Or maybe they'll just turn them into assault sheds right in the factory, who knows.
>>65290680I mean if lukashenko had refused, he'd probably be windowed and replaced, or just have his country Anschlussed into Russia. Plus Putin constantly assured him that it would be over in a few days with minimal bloodshed. I never said he was neutral, but he has balanced getting windowed with taking direct action against the Ukrainians about as well as he could have.
>>65291208It's only considered a waste because it takes a lot of explosives to actually knock rail out, and that's typically because bullseye-ing the physical piece of rail is really hard. A drone doesn't really have to worry about that. I don't know if they're targeting random stretches of rail, but they are targeting bridges and crossings.
>ukies hit a substation in moscow overnight retard here: a single substation in moscow doesn't seem to be a top strategic target, no?
>>65291219>I never said he was neutralYou quite literally did, but I get your point.
>>65291195>People in the Zabaykalsky Krai oblast are now waiting in que for as long as 48 hours just to get gasBruh>>65291229It will start forcing the authorities in Moscow to prioritize giving electricity to certain parts of the city over others. And I'm sure that more substations and power stations will start getting targeted in the coming future. If Moscow ends up like Crimea, than you can expect the city to be without power within a months time.
>>65291229Are Russians filling their electrical substations with gasoline?
>>65290930It's a little Peacenik of him not to include all their works and arts as well, you have to admit. Hadn't exactly gone 'salt the earth' with his bleeding heart ass.
>>65291227Makes me wonder if we're ever going to see a drone version of a Schienenwolf that you smuggle into enemy territory to fuck up their rail big time.
>>65291229presumably not every day they have targets worth hitting that can be hit easily. so they pick something down the priority list that meets their PK decision criterion. they have to keep the pressure up because hitting something is better than letting them recover and adapt.
>>65290592Anon, we don't control France's nukes and they don't give a fuck about nuking Moscow in retaliation. They'll basically dare Russia to nuke NATO.
>>65291238Oil is used to cool the transformers. Civilized places use mineral oil which doesn't burn as much or as black, but russia is undoubtedly using PCBs which were banned in the 1st world in 1979. Highly toxic and sucks for everyone downwind
>>65291187>that Baltics have been stockpiling AT weapons for decades (Javelins, Spikes, AT4, Carl Gustav recoilless - where do you think Ukraine was getting theirs from?).in what alternate reality? Latvia, NATO's weakest link, only has like 6000-800p combat effectives all told (including national guard units) and not even enough AT to supply all of those.
>>65291208We have a few strike vids of drones hiitting rail bridges, fuel trains, and locomotives over the past week or so.And at east one where the repair train ends up getting double tapped in a follow up, with the crane car visibly destroyed and on fire.Rail lines themselves are rather resilient, the bridges and trains are what you need to hit. The line from Crimea to the north is damaged (there was a fuel train on fire in a station near Melitupol, and the brdige at Syvach is supposedly damaged), the connection northwest towards Kherson is probaby just gone, two bridges are blown near Armiyansk and I'd rate this area to be under Ukrainian drone control, so repairs with heavy equipment are a no go.Another few hits to fuel trains were seen acrooss Crimea, twe north of Feodosia and one north of Simferopol.If you want to bet on something, check the E105 road bridges over the rail ine in Dzhankoi. When those go, Sevastopol and Simferopol will have lost their rail connection.
>>65291195>The Hunger Games: CuckingbirdWho are they gonna cast for the role of HIVshits Everbrown?
>>65291251>one is going to nuke them in retaliationIs this what generations of soviets purging everyone above a room temperature IQ does?
WAR CRIME
>>65291195I LOVE THIS STAGE OF RUSSIAN MISERY!!!
>>65291198How many factories even produce rail steel in bulk?
>>65291251Nook=instalose. Even if you nook a bumfuck ghost village with 0 inhabitants, you're nuked by everyone else in 5 seconds, and you're totally nuked.
>>65291247Their dna curdling like milk in 15 years is the least of their problems. They've got a mass famine next year that they should be worrying about.
>>652912632 EVRAZ mills1 Mechel millthen Game Over.
>>65291265that's a fantasy. other nuclear powers aren't going to risk a total nuclear exchange because monke dropped a tactical nuke on a ukie battalion
>>65291229Along with the things that other anons have said, power networks can be surprisingly brittle to single point failures. The US / Canadian network is fairly failure resistant but a single incident of a power line sagging onto a tree in 2003 caused a cascade of failures that led to a blackout affecting eight states (Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey), and the province of Ontario affecting 50,000,000 people and an economic impact of ten billion dollars. Now imagine the impact on a power network based on soviet-tech held together by vatniks performing monke-maintenance
>>65291267Ah, the good old thrice-a-century Russian mass famine. It's a bit overdue, I must say. Putin must look forward to it, you can't be a great Russian leader without one happening during your reign.
>>65291267>Their dna curdling like milk in 15 years is the least of their problems. Need to hit that unpasturized stuff, really boost those mitochondrias
>>65291274>Ohioshould have never restored their power
>>65291267But monke said importing a bit oof fuel will put things right.
>>65291274I'm estimating but in my suburban enclave neighborhood area thing, aboout 1 in 10 have home generators of some kind and almost all multi-fuel GenerAC (I think is the brand).I have 1000w solar with a storage manager battery thing.
>>65291273They cant risk allowing offensive nuclear usage either.
>>65290072They've already flagged for mobilization time around October which is pretty stupid in itself because it's autumn and it'll get rainy and cold fast. Monke is just desperate
>>65290517Megamind had is rough since his last movie flopped
>>65291261>who will respond to the nuclear taboo being brokenliterally everyone, you fucking retard.
>>65291028
>>65291229The transformers at those substations take a very long time to build. We're talking 18 months plus per unit and there aren't a lot of reserves plus russian industry is already facing logistical problems. And there's probably more than one that got damaged in a blast that big so it's a massive problem.
>>65290545TOTALZIGGER_____
>>65291298I don't think the mobiks that get mobilized in October will see the front before December.
>>65290545They going lift embargo on Poland and start importing food? Imagine how humilating it will be to import food with this white-red logo
>>65291313From their current track record we're talking maybe 3 weeks tops before they go to the front
>>65291166>for political reasonsAwfully odd way of saying "we fucking can't".
>>65291297surely you have a better source than some literally who AI slop "news" channel whos catalogue of videos barely goes back two months?
>>65291324If there were better sources, spamming several threads wouldn't be necessary.
>>65290256They lowered it to basically 80's-era standards afaik. "Samovar" gas would be a lot worse than that. It's effectively the gas equipvalent to the shitty pig iron people smelted in their backyards during the Great Leap Forward.
>>65291229>a single substationThat's how it starts. Remember a few years ago when it was said>a single S300 radar doesn't seem to be a strategic targetTotal Electricity Death is coming.
>>65291003hearty kek
>>65290545>ziggers will get holodomor'd by 2032J U S T I C E
>>65291310Ukraine is irrelevant factor in that equation. If India rewards offensive nuclear usage, they will sooner or later get nuked by pakis and chinks, or some random micronation in the area because everyone and their dogs will try to get nukes then.
>>65290595Has he ever not been consistently wrong about everything?
>>65291314Even then they still have the huge problem of how it will get to the consumers. Sure, maybe they'll get trains or trucks to bring it into Russia but what about the last mile delivery to get it to stores, people don't have fuel to pick it up at the store. Just like here. The product is available but can't be transported to where it needs to be and therefore useless.
How it started: >>65290618>Over all he has been able to stay relatively neutralHow it's going: >>65291219>I never said he was neutralYour point is valid but you chose a retarded way to express it.
>>65291073Reminder that King Potato was the only USSR official present during the signing of the dissolving that disagreed to it.
>>65291195>The Hunger Games: CuckingbirdYou know that Cuckoo is an actual bird, right?
>>65290527>Russia hasn't even started to fight for real.Next time reserve such bullshit for you twitter clout, Copelord.
>>65291248>not even enough AT to supply all of thoseWhat sort of armored formations do you think russia can still put together?
>>65290143>>65290165>26 April 1986, Chernobyl nuclear disaster happens>35 years later, Russia starts military build-up along the Belarus / Russian border with Ukraine>Russia stages it’s troops in contaminated areas that received 70% of the fall out from Chernobyl>9 months later Russia invades Ukraine, moving troops through the Chernobyl exclusion zone towards Kyiv>Over the next couple of months numerous Russian soldiers were sent to a Radiation Medicine Center in Gomel, Belarus>In late-March 2022 the Kremlin publicly framed the retreat from the Kyiv region as a "gesture of goodwill">July 2026, Russian General Staff plans to try this attack vector again!!!And this time they will not have the protection of IFV’s, Tank’s and other vehicle’s with NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) filtration and overpressure system.
>>65291309>and there aren't a lot of reservesGlobally, all the reserves got bought up by Ukrainian allies and stockpiled to recover from Russia's strikes the last several winters.So Russia couldn't get them from any ex-Soviet states using the same gear, even if those states were interested in helping Russia.
>>65290527>Russia is (more slowly than a snail) pushing Ukraine back...anon.
>>65291297Back to /chug/.
>>65291367Can't recall the last time there was any mass of zigger armour fielded in at least the last 6-8 monthsThey might have done some IFV fiddle fucking but I don't think we've even seen any turtle tanks in ages either
>>65291310>y-you can'tliterally every single fucking nuclear capable nation has an EXTREME incentive to prevent ANYTHING that furthers nuclear proliferation, if you are a nuclear power and you are not trying to prevent others from getting nukes, thus losing this vital geopolitical and strategic edge. you are a retard.russia nuking anyone would result in at minimum, complete and total isolation from the rest of the world, at maximum, getting nuked by everyone including china and russia.nukes are not used offensively against non-nuclear nations because it defeats their sole useful purpose as a deterrent.
>>65291369You can't die of cancer if you get droned, and nobody will know you suffered from ARS if there is no evacuation.
>>65290153The Russians have two conscription periods, one in Spring and one in Autumn. I can totally see them greatly expanding the conscription criteria to the point of meaninglessness and going "Is normal conscription, not mobilisation. DO NOT PANIC" as they cart off entire regions to face-tank as many drones as possible to stop them hitting their remaining infrastructure.
Unironically where and how can I find a cheap desperate tall hot ukrainian or russian women? >in b4 divorce rape>t.eastern european from Canada
>>65290443I have a funny headcanon that North Korea has always been willing to sell their Army off to anyone who offered money, and just nobody actually asked until now
>>65291372ISW grey zone cope graph. I use DeepState, Russia is still gaining ground and slowly accelerating
>>65291385>a cheap desperate tall hotIf they're hot then they're not desperate, you're competing with wealthy Chinese and Arabs.You get what middle-eastern and asian escort services can't use.
>>65291391Its true just terrible optics for most.
>>65291227>I don't know if they're targeting random stretches of rail, but they are targeting bridges and crossingsThe land bridge lost another crossing at Kalka river.
>The country that went FULL AA spam during the cold war in response to Americans air rush strategy is losing due to airthey had 1 job lmao
>>65290632The hwole Iran debacle hasn't seen refineries hit on a large scale yet. In any case, cracking towers are stuff you need to custom order, which is why it takes at lest 2 years: ~18 months from order to the thing being finished, then another ~6 months for shipping adn installation.
>>65291021
>>65291273If a nation is allowed to use a nuclear weapon in a war of aggression unpunished the entire current world order is upended overnight. Suddenly the only way to guarantee your sovereignty is with your own nuclear deterrent. If Russia used a nuke in Ukraine it would lead to a full nuclear exchange, or Russia being eviscerated through conventional means by a coalition of nearly every country on the planet.
>>65291021>russians are going to starvepromise???
>>65291385Unless you're the most charming man in the world, there's no cheap ones>>65291399fThat's at least quite a few guys and many bags of concrete to fixIt is surprising Ukraine can actually crack some of these things with the FP2 drones, it takes quite a few but it does work
>>65291229It depends on what combination of manufacturing plants and rail yards were dependent on that substation's power.
>>65291134>All export customers in total have received over 2100 T-90sNo. Around 1400 of those were made directly in India domestically.>>65291006>they were produced for export.Nice try, but I was specifically specifying RU MoD procurement production.
What happens come winter and russians are still being deprived of fuel and in the near future, electricity?
>>65291285Where will they store it though? Or are they planning to load up the fuel trucks in Chyna, and drive them directly to the individual fuel stations in Moscow?
>>65291423Emergency Rodent
>>65291313How much training do they need to tank a drone?
>>65290190So the normal then. The idiots have made the winter their main campaign season since the start of this mess.
>>65291425Noo, not Lemmywinks
>>65291423they will have to resort to the same thing the poor freezing europeans had to in the freezing winter of 2023
>>65291409RT talking about VPN is quite funny
Wait did people actually believe I was serious about the bigger than pre war tank fleet? I literally said I was being sarcastic
>>65291423Nothing. In 2024 winter they froze and had mass pipe breakages and flooded (and then frozen) shit everywhere because they ran out of fuel to heat the communal boilers so entire villages exploded. Instead of blaming Putin for selling off the fuel to China and India or blaming Putin for not making the sale ban to gather stockpiles for winter longer or blaming Putin for believing his meteorologists for claiming winter would be X long and Y bad they instead blamed 'local burghers' who were the ones to blame for the issue since they clearly 'did not maintain the boilers correctly'. The fact they did and the fact it was due to running out of fuel due to Putin's demands was ignored. You can't blame God-Tsar for the actions of the plebs.So if it happens again, then it's the local governors or maintenance crews or hohols for hitting warcrime targets. They won't blame Putin for starting the war and selling off their only resource (bar bodies) to China and India at silly prices.
>>65291433Ah the winter of 2023, the Finns shut in and didn't talk to anyone, the bongs moaned about the rain, Hans in Berlin couldn't run his heated pool through all of the weekday and they had to run extra Abba classics on Swedish radioFuckin tough times
>>65291439Dunno.. because thats the truth "they" are trying to hide i guess?
I think Russias new mission is try to mobilise, maybe before the summer ends, then get the whatever forces they can scramble togheter and try to attack Kiev within 6-8 months or so from either Belarus or North-easter Russia-Ukraine border. The main goals is not to capture Kiev, its just to get pressure off from the Donbas area so it be easier to capture it. Why?>war in its fith year without any succesful goals has been succeded>the immense pressure that Ukraine and its allies has on Russian economy and infrastructure. >Putin needs to end the war but can't do it right now as he thinks has lost too much to stop now and the Russian propaganda that he and Kremlin has been spewing out in the last 10-15 years will be bite them hard in the ass.In the end, I think it will be a somewhat failure as they cannot suprise attack anymore and Ukraine will definitely attack the built up. My guess is that they will launch from Belarus to force Belurussian army into the war as well as Ukraine will attack the Russian forces and their built up in region. And that is why Luka has been flying to Russia and had talks with Putin plus him flying to Beijing to receive help as 1) he doesnt want to go to war = his legacy will be overthrown 2) Putin puts immensive pressure on him and perhaps will swoop in and take "over" Belarus once for all. Eitherway the next 6 months or so will be very interesting.
>>65291430It's the monke master plan. Wait until the ground is frozen solid so the vehicles won't get stuck in the mud. Never mind all the logistical nightmares of operating vehicles in winter and keeping your soldiers warm and well fed because that was never a priority.
>>65291440>tzar monke would fix it all for us, if only the boyars were not hiding the information from him!>he is kind and generous and gave great gifts when he found out about sons heroic passing fighting nazihatocommieanarchisttraitors!
>>65290429Pidors are docile cattle. This is about the gangster tzars fucking ego. Monke has always been a petty cunt, even back in the pre tzardom days. Now he can't get over how supposed ukranian untermench, led by a comedian no less, is kicking his ass. It's driving his seethe nuts>inb4 but monke said It absolutely does not matter what pile of shit plops out of the vranyo liars mouth. Only actions matter and his attitude and behaviour clearly point to a shat up ego
>>65291424I have no clue if there even is ana ctual plan, but there are loads of fuel trucks moving from China into Russia, and presumably trains full of gas and diesel, too.China buys the crude at practically at cost from Russia, and Russia now buys back that same oil in refiined form. China double-dips on the profits. I bet Xi fucks two virgins every night in celebration.
>have next to no fuel>winter offensivePlease it would be so fucking funny
>>65291440Yeah but this time it won't just be flyover villages and cities in bumfuck nowhere (just like in american, people don't give a fuck about you if you are from a flyover shithole)It will be their main cities and big economic centers who will feel this
>>65291452Wasn't it India they were buying from? Or is it both? Funny how China and India just don't care.
>>65291444will we live to see an age where luka asks zelensky for a mutual defense treaty of belarus and ukraine against russia and ukrainian forces begin launching drones from up near polatsk and gorodok at even more snowgerian stuff?
>>65291444Good luck forming a new corps of 100k+ mobiks with no fuel.
>>65291444Ziggas that don't want to get droned might want to hop on the next flight out of there, land borders to the Balt and Finland are closedhttps://tass.com/politics/2153709Sort of guessing why as it keeps that out of easy reach for anyone wanting to flee, but I reckon we'll probably find out around late-Aug, October-ish if they're doing the great big mobilisation rodeo and bussifiying the natives
>>65290672Well that's a scary though but I'd think unlikely and if they did do it I don't think one it be to effective with the random nature of chem weaponry. That isn't going into the ramifications of such an attack it'd be much more likely to draw in more aid for Ukraine then gain Russia anything but more sanctions and enemies.
>>65291457It's both. And both India and China double dip on the profits by selling back to Russia.
>>65291458Luka's nly hope is to sit stilll land wait things out. his own peple will lynch him if he goes to war.
>>65291456Nah. By winter, China and India will have sold fuel back to Russia (for a tasty profit) and Russia will be fine. If Russia is out of money, then China will get mineral rights and stuff. Sadly hitting these things doesn't fully help Ukraine unless Ukraine had entire divisions of tanks, AFV and IFV and APCs ready to actually push into territory. Still got drones and artillery and defenses to deal with. My guess is Ukraine will play super long game and spend the next 4-6 years trying to attrite Russia's stuff. India and China won't care, they just get Russia on their teat more and more.
>>65291458>Belarus allies with Ukraine>Lithuania looks the other way>Ukraine launches invasion and conquest of Kaliningrad>all russians deported>Ukraine gains baltic ports and water front out of this whole thing>baltic even more a NATO pondPLEASE. LET THE FUNNIEST THING HAPPEN
>>65290443The North Korean Protectorate grows larger...
>>65290672Considering that Ukie drones freely fly over Volgograd, Moscow and Peterburg, I would call this move counterindicated.
>>65291444>maybe before the summer endsHave to wait until after elections in September
>>65291444>force Belurussian army into the warThat's like 8-10 thousand HOMO forces used for regime stability + some conscripts. With no training or supplies. They wouldn't even last a week.
>>65291466In all seriousness though anon how much will that be an option for him? Like if Putin comes to him with an ultimatum and demands he allow Belarus be used as a staging ground for another northern invasion or else he'll be replaced, now what? Because no fucking way in 2026/2027 does Ukraine just ignore that and let Belarus mostly go by unscathed like in 2022 or earlier. I don't see how he doesn't end up in conflict with one or the other at that point, unless he can get putin to back down, but obviously that'd be even MORE fucking embarrassing. Putin could easily decide at that point that "we were winning but comrade belarus of all places stabbed us in the back! horrible treason" is a good talking point and Belarus would be much easier to take over and give him a "win". So do the belarusians just give up at that point or do they fight?
>>65291412No it would fucking not you hysterical doomer. Who the fuck would even retaliate? US? Lol. Agent orange would just blame ukranians for bringing it upon themselves, then say he will respond in two weeksUK? Aside from the fact that they have a never-ending leadership crisis post brexit, their warheads have been foolishly put on US missiles who absolutely would veto their useFrance? French talk a big game, but ultimately put real skin on the line only for franceIn european context, nuclear protection promises would only sound believable for myscovia coming from someone with actual skin on the line and who understand muscovias nature. Poland, finland or swedenRight now its the chinks that are blocking monke from nook-ooking. And only because they don't want nuclear proliferation in taiwan, korea and japan. As they are planning to wage war with all of them down the line
>>65291477>That's like 8-10 thousand HOMO forces used for regime stabilityAnd if these go, Luka definitely gets the Gadaffi treatment.
>>65291444I doubt they will aim for Kiev assuming Belarus does allow attacking through their lands again. Even russoid generals know the calculus of taking over a defended city, and know they simply do not have manpower and resources for a city size of Kiev. Not to mention that dedicating logistics that far away from Donbas would likely cause collapse there. More likely they would try Sumy or Kharkiv push as those are closer to logistic routes, or if Belarus does allow attacking through their territory, then inflitration tactics through swamps in western belarus in order to harass Ukrainian supply lines.
>>65290527Anonski, your country men are eating each other and the harvest hasn't even failed yet. It's time to throw in the towel before you end up in the hotpot.
>>65291479>who absolutely would veto their useThat's not how it works. That's 'Killswitch' tier nonsense.
>>65291479>Redditspaced zigger talking pointsYou're brown
>>65291480Yep, those 8 thousands HOMOs aren't going anywhere. If anything, an attempt to use them in Ukraine would have them speedrun "pretorian guard" path and remove Lukashenko themselves IMO. You don't go into the "be subhuman enforcer of the regime which beats up and tortures normies" career to be exposed to push back and danger of being killed by the other side.
>>65291456>just like in american, people don't give a fuck about you if you are from a flyover shitholeAre you kidding me? We're still hearing about Flint to this very day.
>>65291479The nuclear talk is all fucking stupid. If, IF russia actually wanted to signal seriousness step #1 would be nuclear tests on their own land. Demonstrating that their nukes actually work and that they're willing to violate a massive treaty and norm over it. As long as they won't even do an above ground test every single word of "noooks" is total horseshit. The worst case scenario for Russia is to try to use nukes offensively and then they end up as damp squib dirty bombs. If that happens they get all the global hate/fear/fury AND are revealed to be a total paper tiger who can be attacked and invaded with impunity.China has tons of reason to not want things to go nuclear, not least being the simple fact that unlike Russia they've actually built up a civilization and thus have a lot to lose. They have also brutally oppressed a huge muslim population (and tibet etc) and are in conflict with nuclear powers (particularly India). Japan, Korea and Taiwan rushing nukes of course would also be bad for them, but this is one part of the global order that benefits major powers including china big time.
>>65291395Feel like as a African Warlord, I would genuinely prefer Norks guarding my lithium mine than some Hodge dodge of Eastern Euros and South Americans... but then again, Warlords arent exactly renowned for their sensibilities
>>65290542Is Kaliningrad just A city, or does it have other settlements too?Because if it's just the former, they may be even more fucked than Crimea, because I can't see anyone bothering to try and come to their rescue anytime soon, especially if the Russians do a hard closure of the railway lines in or out of the place.
>>65291456>just like in american, people don't give a fuck about you if you are from a flyover shitholeWhy are browns so dumb? People give massive fucks about "flyover country" because the Senate and EC mean they have to, it's in the basic design of our country. Democrats and media angst about it and pay tons of attention to rural primaries and so on regularly.
>>65291479>would veto their useUSA does not have a veto on British nuke usage. They can refuse to supply further missiles or maintenance, but do not have any say even if Brits suddenly decide to nuke Washington DC tomorrow.
>>65291393>>65291415But where to meet them? I'm not into whores/bimbos but you know the homely 7/10 village girl with little to no prospects and desperate to flee the war. I heard Rzeszow in Poland is full of them.
>>65291458I don't think so but he will try to avoid getting involved in the war as much as possible. If he does, I think there will massive protest and maybe even mutiny within the army etc. And he still want to be the sovereign leader of Belarus and not that Putin will take and actually occupy the country. And that is why he felt to rush to China to get them to somewhat accept the sovereignty of Belarus, that was a charade for Putin and Kremlin that show them that Belarus also has other powerful partners. >>65291459Mobiks will much likely be more similar to 1917 equipment than 2026. If they do they will rationing fuel only to the military. And they will get droned and bombed a lot. If real then its shows that Russia is truly desperate and this is more or less their final plan. I do think it will not change anything if Ukraine can just arty, drone and strike them with bombs, as for now it doomed to fail with big casualities. We will see what the Kremlin masterminds will do, in the mean time we have to wait. >>65291461Yeah that what is why I wrote it, it seems that they will be start a mobilisation either fully or partial. They wouldn't close the border or maybe just pretending idk anymore. If they close Georgian border and others then that is a very good reason to watch out if you are a military age male in Russia.
>>65291495Cletus, nobody really cares about you fucking your sister in a demonic incestous relationship, or the massive use of drugs by wh*te trash and other undesirable that reside in those flyover states, we just point and laugh in the internet because it's good, innocent fun
>>65291385Well you're Canadian so there should be some Ukes around.
>>65290970To be fair we in finland are also paying a bunch of custom officers to sit around flicking their testicles for like three years now
>>65291273they risk a general nuclear exchange by not doing anythingIf Russia proves that it is willing to use nukes in an unprovoked war of aggression then by doing so they prove that it is only a matter of time before they do it again, in that scenario the total annihilation of Russia is the only rational response
>>65291478If Putin tries too take over Belarus directly, the country will explode. It almost did after the last election.And Ukraine will not allow Russia free use of Belarus as an attack corridor again, as you said. Luka is living on borrowed time either way. When Ukraine wins, Belarus will turn to Europe, and any change of the status quo in another direction will result in unrest .His only hope is to explain to Putin that Belarus at status quo is a better situation than Belarus as a war zone.Oh, and he has some Nork commandos now, according to the news. Wonder if they will try to fuck around.
>>65291028What good is a mechanised push through a border that is mostly heavily-mined swamp?
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>>65291513>If Putin tries too take over Belarus directly, the country will explode. It almost did after the last election.What? The last election exploded because their dictator lost and people were upset, AND russia sent their homeland security there to stomp the rallies.
>>65291176Unfortunately they can still walk across. My country has closed the border for cars but ziggers can still cross it by foot
>>65291504>Haitians eating people's pets in a town of 20k turned an entire national election >NOBODY CARES ABOUT SMALL TOWN USAI get your entire world is essentially your street corner, but theres no reason to be ignorant on how the U.S. operates
>>65291474Maybe or he just skip the election and say its extraordinary times and we need to defend the motherland etc. But he also need to election to legitimise his power and ruling both internally & internationally, so we will see, plus if cancel then its show the Russian population that they're losing the war. His entire goal was that the muscovites and piddies will not feel the war and just be like a fly that you can wave away. Not so much anymore. >>65291477No but if Ukraine attack Russian forces on Belarussian clay then they obivously needs to respond. And Putin knows that, hench why he might try to attack from that angle even though it's a crazy idea. >>65291478Yup, Luka is in very a tight spot and he has to play his cards very carefully if he still wants to be the potato dictator. He knows that his army will be blown up and that people will revolt if he joins the war and the forces he has is too small and to unfit, and even if Belarus and Russia is in a union, he still want Belarus to be a independent country as least during his reign. That is why he talked to Xi and got China to say support Belarus sovereignty.
>>65291527>Haitians eating people's pets in a town of 20k turned an entire national electionThis was such big news that you are the only genetic reject that still remembers about it, not even other cuckservatives care anymore
>>65291502Well right now, Georgia may as well be the other side of the moon for most mobilised and anyone out that way who could, probably has been rounded up and currently rotting in meat mountainThe other main problems there is I think there's only a couple of ways into Georgia and they can drop the hammer there pretty quick if they had to, but mostly it comes down to people not having travel papers, spare cash and most importantly a passport.They don't issue a lot of passports in Russia and they're pricey enough with a long lead time that it tends to dissuade people picking them up casually, so anyone who don't already have one, probably isn't getting one at this stage
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>>65291528>or he just skip the electionSupposedly some retards in the RU top brass were pushing for this, but the AP (presidential administration) fags managed to convince chief monke that elections are needed. Which makes sense, since like half of those AP fags are specifically needed to make russia look more like a normal country and do the whole smoke & mirrors dance of faking stuff like elections, political competition, discourse and so on. If there are no fake elections, then those AP fags aren't needed, and they aren't going to let themselves become redundant.
>>65291502>If he does, I think there will massive protest and maybe even mutiny within the army etcthat too maybe but bigger thing other anons have been saying is belarus flat out getting rekt. belarus has even less ability to resist ukrainian attack then russia. so sure protest/mutiny but it'd be driven by>oh shit we are going to lose our cars/trucks just like the orks if we let this happen
>>65291531>can't remember 2 years agoYou should probably get checked out
>>65291553>If there are no fake elections, then those AP fags aren't needed, and they aren't going to let themselves become redundant.Particularly given that being ex-powerful and now-redundant is probably pretty dangerous in present Snowgeria. Someone could easily decide to settle old grudges or that now you might be resentful and thus become a source of threat, and you know how stuff works in government and probably have dirt.Shrinking resources and room could mean we see a real game of musical chairs with not enough to go around for elites and a lot of maneuvering to not be left standing when the music stops.
Why does Russia even bother with elections? It's not like anyone actually buys that shit, everyone knows Russia is a dictatorship, including all Russians.
>>65291556krokadil and methanol are not good for memory
>>65291520That were mild protests compapred to what will happen. Can Russia send anyone this time to prop up Luka?
>>65291556Who is this normal uma?
>>65291564lol anon even the Soviet Union had "elections" it's whole history. Dictators actually do generally care about maintaining a veneer of "legitimacy" and the song and dance is helpful in maintaining population control. The elections become more about showing unity and conspicuous "patriotism" and social control/peer pressure/conformity shit.
>>65290527>slower than a snailIt's honestly amazing the Russians are still trying. Anyways 500k men vs 100k men only makes a difference if they're sufficiently trained and equipped with solid morale, good support, and commanders that aren't incompetent baboons. Most militaries would have at least stopped, tried to regroup, and changed strategies.Defense in depth is all about controlling the rate of enemy advance and maximizing attrition inflicted in the process. You can't just "waltz over", "kill all the defenders", "then proceed" against that strategy. Assuming you succeed you'll just run into the next line and the defenders you do overrun will make you pay dearly for it. This isn't just something you can smack with force of mass and call it good. The strategy the Ukrainians have been using for years now is an explicit counter to that. The scale of meat waves needed to clog the Ukrainian grinder would be horrific. Not because that mass is powerful, but because the casualties would outpace entire absolutely brutal wars over a few days.If raw force of mass was all it took the lines would be much farther along by now. It's been a key part of Russian strategy including their use of penal troop tactics. Brannigan doctrine doesn't work unless you are extremely lucky or your enemy is incredibly incompetent, probably both. The Russians aren't really pushing the Ukrainians back, it's that the Ukrainians are letting them think they are so they keep coming and dying. The Ukrainian defense has been exemplary.
>>65291553Of course, I do think there is quite a lot of inner conflict between differents departments, boyars and silovikis as the power grip around Putin is more and more limited. And everyone around him wants to be in his inner circle. But again, Putin "needs" the election for his image and also counter Zelensky due to Ukraine not having any election during the war. It's his way to say "fuck you and look at me" even though everyone knows that Russian elections is big fraud. Putin value things kind of stuff, even though they're unnecessary due to him being a dictator. >>65291555That is why Luka wants to be out and not being drag into the war. If it will be war then Ukraine will bomb the shit out of Belarus, they will be much much hurt in the long run than Russia. They entire industry capacity can and will be destroyed within days. And that will plunge their entire economy into big crisis AND people will protest. Russia might help little bit with the funding but essentially that will not be enough has Russia already having massive issue with their industry and economy today. Everybody knows that Belarus will just crumble, and perhaps Putin want that so he can legitimise a take-over due the "union" and belarussian and russian is practically the same nation and people.
>>65291453Just capture the enemy fuel depos after breaking through their lines, duh.
>>65291337Can't wait
>>65291588B-but what if the enemy is high dishonorable and scorches the earth as they retreat from their lines and destroys their fuel depos? Surely no one would ever do that you say, but could it happen??
>>65291479Norks, just for fun and because they can use them without anyone getting mad at them
>>65290072The cargo line is pretty much closed now too because Russia raised the rail tariffs 8x to what they were a day ago.
>>65291490There we go. A nuclear test first. Finally someone makes sense.Either it will work and everyone will know or it won't work, and then everyone will know.Russia is too afraid to let everyone know their nukes don't work. Cause then they will be a target by everyone who wants their land back
>>65291229A single substation went down in 2005 and caused Moscow-wide blackouts for hours. So this may cause inproportional economic damagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Moscow_power_blackouts
>>65291613>Either it will work and everyone will know or it won't work, and then everyone will know.Another reason for testing is Russia might have at least some hope to cover up a total failure. If they start underground in some deep mine, and they do other explosive mining anywhere, then a total failure would actually be pretty hard to notice. You'd have some molten plutonium/uranium sprayed around but deep underground it won't matter much or leak to air, and some kilograms of high explosive is not a notable shockwave. If it's a squib, and you single digit kilotons instead of hundreds/megatons, you can at least lie and claim you were testing LE NEXT GEN TACTICAL BACKPACK CRUISE MISSILE NUKE. Everyone will know something significant went off and where, but it'll be harder to tell whether it was intentionally dialed down or not. And of course at 100kt+ you can just claim total success even if it was meant to be megatons because there really are lots of warheads where hundreds of kt are actual design yield. And testing is escalatory but nothing like actual use.And actual use is impossible to hide. Whether it completely fails or squibs everyone will notice the material and figure out exactly what it was.Given what we've seen of russian corruption, poverty and neglect, with shit like "armor" where all the filler was replaced with sawdust or whatever, it seems pretty impossible nukes escaped and are in just as good shape as America's when the US has spent hundreds of billions on ongoing assurance/maintenance with enormously more competence and independent checks.
>>65290072>I guess it's Mobilization-o-clock very soon.1) wait until there is no fuel2) Moobiilliize!3) ???4) no more food for people and army
>>65291628>shit like "armor" where all the filler was replaced with sawdust or whateverMy favorites were the shell filler of 1980s cassette tapes, the actual cardboard instead of propellant, and the propellant pellets in the external storage boxes on tanks.The ERA blocks with PU foam instead of expllosive liner get an honorable mention, but they were pre-2022.
>russians observing yet another refinery death
>>65290072>>65291637soon
|>thank you saars
>>65291486>Redditspaced zigger talking pointsOi, we've been double spacing on 4chan since before reddit existed.It's just convenient to break up points with white space and avoid creating a wall of text that everyone will just reply to with sarcastic images and tl:dr;
>>65291658As in "we will draft 1.2 million people" or "we should form a mob of 1.2 million to protest it"?Almost certainly the former but wanted to double check.
>>65291489>Are you kidding me? We're still hearing about Flint to this very day.Only because Michael Moore made a documentary about it.
>>65291667>NO FEARS COMRADE CITIZEN SUBJECTS>SOON BY MY MIGHTY BEAR HAND FUEL ISSUES SHALL ALL BE RESOLVED>WE WILL IMPORT 4 DAYS WORTH EVERY 30 DAYS!>Thank you, thank you.
>>65291667Where exactly will those tankers dock and unload?
he's afraid
>>65291676The former, several of the big milblggers reported dry runs of the admin officals and voyenkomat bureaucrats to get shiit organiized.
>>65291637The Long March towards the Sun Flower Meatgrinder.
>>65291412>If Russia used a nuke in Ukraine it would lead to a full nuclear exchange, or Russia being eviscerated through conventional means by a coalition of nearly every country on the planet.Imagine you are Winnie. Russia just nooked Stinky, so non-proliferation is kaput.If you turn your back on Russia now, you will not achieve anything (Japan will go nuclear unconditionally in 5...4...3....) but will show a split in global south. This is an unacceptable loss of face for nothing.
>>65291667Only gasoline? and I believe on all the photos gas stations seemed to have diesel in stock. So the harvest might actually not be in danger?
>>65291695>non-proliferation is kaput>If you turn your back on Russia now, you will not achieve anythingNo, it's only kaput if nobody does anything retard. If Russia uses a couple of nukes not an all out barrage and gets absolutely raped as a result then deterrence is maintained that's the whole fucking point! It's precisely if you DON'T turn your back on russia that everyone goes "well that's that then". And it's not just Japan and SK and so on, it's the whole world. If NPT actually goes kaput, the pakis or norks or whomever could flat out sell nukes like conventional arms to raise money and for favors. Once they start floating around amongst countries incapable of producing their own including ever more failing shitholes it's inevitable they'll end up in the hands of non-state actors, and that's when things really get shitty. China will then be counting the days until the first time an Uyghur cell manages to get one close to anything important and shiny in China.
>>65291457They're right now trying to panic-buy fuel from anyone who will seell to them.
>>65291667>>65291708yeah that's almost the definition of eating your seed corn. could buy monke a little extra time but it's utterly unsustainable without massive land loss. it effectively means selling crude for an even tinier fraction of global price since now you have to buy a fraction of that crude right back at a huge markup
>>65291494>Is Kaliningrad just A city, or does it have other settlements too?If only there were a way to find that information for yourself.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast#SettlementsThe capital is clearly the only major settlement but several others exist.>>65291494>especially if the Russians do a hard closure of the railway lines in or out of the place.It wouldn't be Russia closing the railways.I think Europe already closed some of the crossings.
>>65291498>I'm not into whores/bimbos...says the guy who wants to pick up a girl who'd otherwise be out of his league but who will fuck him for an allowance or a place to sleep.You wanted desperate and hot and cheap, whores and bimbos are it for you.The trad-wife Ukrainian girls are in Ukraine supporting the war effort.
>>65291467>unless Ukraine had entire divisions of tanks, AFV and IFV and APCsThey do, in fact, have entire brigades of those.>Still got drones and artillery and defensesWho's gonna deliver those drones, artillery shells and the food for the guys manning those defenses without fuel?>4-6 yearsFour more years of this and Russia will have ceased to exist as a nationstate.
>>65291684>Wristwatches are now evil nato technology
>>65291520>The last election exploded because their dictator lost and people were upset, AND russia sent their homeland security there to stomp the ralliesThank you Captain Obvious for explaining what anon said but most of us already knew why the country almost exploded.Luka only survived because of Russian army support and locals not wanting to get massacred by them.In the event of an invasion by the Russian army, the Belarusian military would take a back seat, they're only happy raping protestors, they don't want to get into a fight against people with guns.
>>65291479>UK?Yes.>who absolutely would veto their useAnd said veto would be promptly ignored and the missiles used anyway. Because selling someone weapons does not mean you get to tell them how to use them, pidorovich.>France?Yes.>Right now its the chinks that are blocking monke from nook-ooking.Well, partially correct. They're not the ONLY thing doing so. Oh, and they'll be firing a disarming strike against Russia, too, if monke chimps out like that. Because they want an unstable nuclear first-use state right next to them even less than they'd like a nuclear armed Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.
>>65291467>China and India will have sold fuel back to Russia (for a tasty profit) and Russia will be fineYou need multiple tankers of fuel to cover a single day of fuel usage in russia. Even if just need to cover some deficit, e.g. 30-50%, that would still be a fuck ton of traffic to try and import. Even worse trying to get that from China by rail. Not to mention the money side of things.
>>65291555>belarus flat out getting rekt. belarus has even less ability to resist ukrainian attack then russiaSBU has a trained-up veteran fighting force of Belarusian patriots.They're fighting Russia right now but SBU would have them back in Belarus right quick if there was fighting there and they'd make short work of the Belarusian military since they're a) not afraid to shoot people who shoot backb) would have the full support of the peopleThey'd have Luka swinging from a streetlight or fleeing in a plane, in very short order.And of course, they'd have the Ukrainian army behind them too.
>>65291684He's seen what James Bong can do with a wristwatch, old bunker nigguh taking no chances
>>65291564>Why does Russia even bother with elections?That point does get occasionally raised on Russian propaganda, presumably to test the waters on whether they can get rid of them entirely yet.
>>65291695>If you turn your back on Russia now, you will not achieve anythingI'll get Haishenwai back, and a bunch of clay alongside it. And some nice PR for helping put down the rabid dog.
>>65291737>And of course, they'd have the Ukrainian army behind them too.Yes, though how far behind is actually a genuinely interesting question to contemplate. Obviously, first order of business Ukraine would want to stop Belarus from helping Russia with any attack. But they must have at least gamed out some end states there they'd like if there's a full-on change of government and what's realistic. They might actually try to keep the UA itself out for example, to avoid any possible "invaders!" backlash but rather just stick to the minimal goal of having Belarus go true neutral. That might be pretty sufficient right now. Alternatively maybe there are scenarios where the Belarus government and people would welcome them in for certain areas or limited purposes. But I know absolutely jack shit about the domestic situation there or public opinion or national history. Still if suddenly Luka dies/flees and they've got Bela patriots in charge, that's a big new bundle of yarn in the area that probably has to be handled fairly sensitively.
>>65291166>So it'll be at least 'a general' or someone like that caught for the usual bullshitDoesn't he kill a couple of those a year out of frustration already? He'd need to toss way more than one general getting axed if Putin starts throwing them under the bus. It'll be funny if he tries to throw enough under at once that they launch a mass revolt.
>>65291725He fears the Chronosphere
>>65291684>paranoidIs it paranoia if most of planet, including many of his own countrymen, really are out to get him and for a good reason?
>>65291649>The ERA blocks with PU foam instead of expllosive linerI haven't seen that.I was so disappointed as a child when I found that spray-can explosive foam didn't exist.
>>65291681Berdyansk.
>>65291752>Yes, though how far behind is actually a genuinely interesting question to contemplateIt would be like the French forces marching into Paris with the US army behind them.They'll be a figurehead to clearly state that this isn't an invasion or conquest but a liberation.Then, once the ziggers are put down or rounded up, AFU heads east to the Russian border and the Belarusian fighters and people take care of business.
>>65291755A lot of the apparatus-guys who manage various bits of government and even some of the oligarchs are fair game for a window exit. The generals sort of 'depends' on how useful they are, in some cases like Surovikin and a few up and comers they tend to just arrange the chairs on the titanic for a while somewhere else until they can figure out if they're useful, loyal or need to become a meat bomb.Heaps of the mid-meh Colonels and Generals seem to eat shit pretty regularly with bathing, veranda and suicide accidents
>>65291708>For some reason, reading this maks it seem like Russia is close to collapse>for some reason
>>65290672>I remain forgetful of what African Luhansk isLuganda
>>65290672>doing Banzaia Blyatzai if you will
>>65291681ask fighterbomber
Why can't russians stop drone strikes? weren't they famous for having lots of advanced AA systems?
>>65291911>weren't they famous for having lots of advanced AA systems?Turns out Russians are habitual liars and their best weapons are propaganda and subversion.
>>65291198The real vulnerability is, in order, specialized de/rerailing and repair equipment, prime movers, fuel cars, munitions cars, anything carrying a shitload of explosive compound. Some of that specailized equipment has months or a year lead time, is heinously expensive, and not easily substituted by any other heavy equipment. A train with blown prime movers not only is tying up the line, those engines are a motherfucker to de/rerail, and a pretty much irreplacable at this point for logistics. Burning fuel cars can chain react and seriously damage or destroy the rails (or bridge, especially concrete) they're sitting on.
paid shills are going hard on pol.. they sure are mad about the oil situation
>>65291957>those engines are a motherfucker to de/rerail, and a pretty much irreplacable at this point for logisticsRussia has a lot of locomotives, it would take a year long campaign to deplete them to the point it made a difference. The quantity is on par with tanks but Russia isn't feeding locomotives to Ukrainian drones and ATGMs like they did with tanks.Russia will run out of fuel for the locomotives before it runs out of the locomotives themselves.
>>65291970>paid shills are going hard on pol.. they sure are mad about the oil situation
>>65291684>800 personalthats a lot of loyalty
>>65291847hey now, ive lived in Luganda. its a wonderful place with very friendly people. Angola has gone through a lot, and has vastly improved since.its still a shithole by any standard but the good people living there are doing their best to keep it stable and livable.please dont compare the two
>>65292004It's a lot of perceived loyalty.
