You got any mystery mags?
>>65294276SVT-40?
>>65294276Going off memory that's an aftermarket gun show tier magazine for an SMLE.
Tried to fit it in an Lee Enfield. It was too long.
>>65294276What about aproximate cartidge dimentions ? 7.62R ? Something from scandinavian pre - ww2 ?
>>65294276>>65296097are there any markings on it?
>>65294276?
>>65296151look at the mag catch, not the same
My grandpa’s bolt action mossberg is missing the magazine, does that count? It’s a mystery where the fuck in his hoarded shed that could be
>>65296162Yeah, it looks too short in length as well.It's not a Hakim either.
>>65294276What ammo have you tried fitting in there?
>>65296097How much too long?
Protip: Like most double stack 9mm magazines will fit and function in like 60% of all 9mm handguns of similar features and specs. They probably engage the slide catch or be held by the magazine release,. but they'll often function. Theres likes 3 magazine designs. BHP, Beretta and Glock
>>65296195I don’t think OP’s mag is in 9mm
>>65296195Probably WON'T engage
>>65296195I have once fired a round from my BHP using a CZ-75 magThe mags look alike so I inadvertently loaded the wrong one, but it fed one round and went bang. Then the mag fell out halfway and I realized my mistake
>>65296195>bring out chart explaining the three different mag types>"I dunno man, it's a good magazine"
>>65296195>Does ist take Glock mags? >60 %
>>65294276What's the dimensions of it? Taper makes it look like a 7.62x39. The mag lock on back and nothing up front makes it look like one of those bolt rifle detachable mags or something with a magazine box to slide it in to, not a rock and lock.
It fits 7.62 NATO and 7.62x54R but .30-06 and 8mm Mauser are too long.It's not for a Bren neither, could be for 7.5 Swiss
>>65295105Nope.>>65295111Kinda looks that part. Or like those weird machingun style mags for them.>>65296097Well I'll be fucked then. You don't know the cartridge it takes, I assume?>>65299067Looks way too curved for 7.5mm Swiss. How many rounds of 7.62x54mmR can you fit in there? Do they retain properly, or are they just barely keeping in place?
I thought this was an ak mag for many years until I got an ak and it didn't fit. I actually found it on the side of the road. It doesn't have a front lug, but a hole
>>65299827Mini 30?
>>65299833I dont think so. The lockingnlug at the back is bigger, and there's a little tail on the follower that rides in a groove in the spine, neither the AK nor the mini 30 have that
>>65299842possibly a plastic type 81 magazine? they have a similar follower setup. but ive never heard of that
>>65299851That still wouldn't explain the lack of a front lug
>>65299827i think it's one of these sks mags with the front broken off. https://centerfiresystems.com/products/sks-7-62x39-40rd-detachable-zytel-magazine?_pos=4&_sid=f700db7a8&_ss=r
>>65299905Definitely the same design/maker but the front looks too original to have been cut or ground off
>>65299917found ithttps://www.pistolrange.com/product/sks-7.62x39mm-30rd-detachable-zytel-magazine-with-adapter-6-packsomebody made some adapter for the sks to use proprietary mags without a duckbill
>>65299842>>65299917part of a prop? it doesn't look very "real"
>>65299917here's a more accurate listing, without a front lug and different pattern adapter, made by Cobray, kind of interestinghttps://milcoll.com/shop/sks-zytel-detachable-mag-adaptor-kit-w-30-round-5-round-mag/
>>65299924its real its just a cheap piece of shit from 35 years ago
>>65294276maybe a bong BAR?
>>65299842It's an sks mag with the duckbill cut off. I had a few of them. They don't feed with a shit.
>>65294276I bought this cheap on eBay years ago, can’t find anything on it other than it is probably an aftermarket copy of a first gen Glock mag? It has zero markings, and no metal liner or lips. Should I sell it on GB and say no lowballers?
>>65299827>>65299842>>65299905Fuck I just saw one of those. IIRC it goes with either a block anon is missing or a stock that allows you to use those weird AK-like mags in an SKS, kinda. Fuck, let me search my old pics...
It fits .308 sort of but 7.62x39 seems too short
7.62 x 39 is too short?
>>65307345Do you have any .303, 8mm Lebel, 8mm Mannlicher, or 7.62mm Nagant cartridges to try? Something with some taper and a rim.I really don't have anything to actually back this on, at all, but gut feeling is saying that this may have been a 'trench magazine' for some sort of bolt-action rifle.
>>65307350unironnically send this to ian. Maybe he'd know more.>>65307475The stampings look amazingly clean. I would doubt this is some kind of trench mag, and it doesn't fit 8mm, for sure.
>>65307345That floorplate looks FAL as fuck. Maybe an FN design or this mag design borrowed some inspiration from some FN parts?
>>65307866Did FN ever experiment with making the FAL in any rimmed and tapered cartridges?
>>65307840>unironnically send this to ianWhat fucking Reddit type of response is this? How low have we fallen that people's immediate response to something is "my favourite e-celeb has to know about this!!!".
>>65307934I think the notion is that maybe he'd recognize it.
>>65307944he's a hack that just regurgitates already existing knowledge into a slop video palatable to normies so they dont have to leave youtube to learn anything
>>65307950You keep saying that, but it isn't really true, a lot of that stuff comes out of limited and out of print books which aren't widely accessible to most people.
>>65307840It's very wonky and asymmetrical looking. my bet is khyber pass extended smle mag or something
>>65299976Definitely looks the part. I was gonna suggest a Swedish BAR mag but the taper is less intense and the ribs don't match
>>65307959source? everything ian regurgitates is easily googleable, which is probably what he uses for his sources because he's often wrong
>>65307970He's done probably like 50 book reviews.
>>65307977so? anybody can do a "book review." stop sucking his dick
>>65307981What, of expensive and out of print collector grade books which aren't easy to find?
>>65307989list 5
>>65307977He's done a lot more than that.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9e3UCcU00TR6tO-FH6v-xYAWtDm2vTrg>>65307992Probably the better old Luger and Mauser collector books. You expect people the commit the exact going prices of books into memory? Some of the books aren't very expensive at all (I bought some myself), but others legit start at like $1200 because they only had a couple of small print runs decades ago.Some of the books are mostly expendable and tell of nothing really special, some of them are actually really well researched and detailed, but because they're niche autist books, they never had large print runs.Sometimes he will cite certain books for videos, and occasionally mentioning errors they make.
I'll just post stuff with vaguely similar magazines and see if anything looks like it matches. Pic related doesn't, and would be very unlikely, but it's a start.
Probably not this one either, being one of Fedorov's 7.62x54mmR prototypes.
>>65307969Swedish BAR mags are very distinct at a glance, got a lot of ribs, and they've got this flat shape up on the front.
>>65299976Looks closer in shape, but ribs don't match. Also, feels unlikely that some rando somewhere would just end up with one. Not impossible (has happened with SPIW mags), but feels low in odds.Lahti-Saloranta mags can be ruled out definitely, as those are single feed.
Not any Madsen mag I recognize, as those all lack conventional feed lips, and instead have a big flat retaining spring clip on the side.
Not a Bren mag either.
Not a mag for the North Korean Type 73 (their weird PKM which has a backup magwell on the feed cover), different ribs and they didn't make them this short, that I know of.Also, probably extremely difficult to get ahold of.
Not a Japanese Type 99 either.
Nor does it match SVT-40 or AVS-36 magazines.
The feed looks vaguely FAL-like, so does the floor plate.If the square about 1/3rds down the magazine is for the catch then it's pretty fucking far down. I think it's rather likely it's an one-off.
>>65308130Like a magazine someone cobbled together for a caliber conversion? Not unthinkinable.
>>65307934call him whatever you want, justified or not he has more experience handling weird ammo and unique mags. It could be a makeshift mag, like others said.
Its literally just a 20 round lee enfield mag. Kinda like those used on those funky lmg and semi auto coversions around the 1910s thru 40s. Its either a repro aftermarket mag or the real deal. Either way its rare as hens teeth
>>65311248https://www.enfield-rifles.com/20-round-smle-linley-magazine_topic12609.html>>65294276Here op this is what you have
>>65311257Read the thread. Also the ribs in OP’s mag are much wider.
>>65296166check the little black toolbox on the right of the doorway under the table
>>65311248Nah dude tried fitting in a SMLE. No chance.It can take twelve rounds of 7.62x54R easy however.
>>65311248>>65308131Not a rare Enfield mag or a cobbled together one off conversion, because I've found a dozen of them.
>>65294276Whats weird is that the top and bottom of the magazine look like a BAR mag but the curve, indents, and mag latch are completely different.
>>65313350whats the markings on them? looks like a 9 or g on the top left mag. wipe them down and look for markings. did you try putting them in a VEPR? theyre probably for some ban era chink SVD clone or something. during the AWB double stack mags were illegal to import and most AKs came in with single stack
>>65314092Jesus, do you even know what AK type magazines look like? Look at type and location of the locking tabs OPs mags and compare them to SVDs and VEPRs.
>>65314331yeah i dunno then. its probably this https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rieder-automatic-rifle/
>>65313350Well, that changes that.
>>65313342Honestly I feel like the secret lies in finding a gun it fits. It does vaguely resemble a FAL magazine to me with the feed lips and all, but I'm not surprised people say it's SMLE especially with how high it seems to go based on that tab at the back.7.62x54r SMLE conversion and a magazine cobbled out of FAL magazine parts? I know people in Middle-East sometimes converted Lee-Enfields.
>>65294276I use to have mysterious mags, then I ended up getting the corresponding rifles. (Mini 14, m1 carbine, sks). My father was gifted a ww2 Japanese bayonet and without realizing he bought an arisaka and discovered by pure shits and giggles that it fit and found out it was actually for an arisaka. There's my 2 cents and a bump. If you have a mystery mag, complete it with its rifle. You owe it to that magazine anons>>65296195>forgets about based quad stack magazine Shame on you
>>65314349But that one seems to have L-E proportioned mags back to front while these won't fit one
to me the shape of the mag looks like it was meant for rimmed cartridge so i would start there. probably 7.62x54r or .303 since those were most prolific
Do you have any of the rimmed Imperial Japanese rifle cartridges to test, OP?
>>65315499I'm thinking chinese. They converted literally everything they had to 7.62 in the 50s and 60s. Browing machine guns, maxims, zb30s, etc
>>65316568I mean sure, but then again they had no shortage of AK mags and just converted guns to take those.>>65315499>vaguely resemble a FAL magazine to meI'd say FN Model D, very similar but magazine catch cutout is roughly in the correct place. Issue is most of the magazines for it had X-shaped grooves on the side as reinforcement.That being said, as others have pointed out the steep curve suggests a rimmed cartridge. I don't know if anyone ever converted those to something like 7.62x54mmR.What gets me is that despite being very beaten up the whole thing is very stamped out correctly, it's not some insane hackjob with a welder who made this by cutting up multiple magazines or something.
>>65316525wasnt there some jap machine gun that took magazines
>>65316679They had multiple, one in the 6.5mm cartridge and which took a box mag on the top, the Type-96, similar to the Bren, and then a later iteration in their 7.7mm cartridge (which is them imitating the .303's ballistics in a rimless cartridge), the Type-99.Japanese small arms of the era get some shit, some which is earned, but these were actually two very solid light machineguns for their time, comparable to the Bren.There was also the even earlier Type-11, which used an extremely novel 'hopper' feed, fixed to the side of the gun, where you'd drop in full Arisaka stripper clips, and the hopper would progress through the stack, picking 6.5mm rounds from the clips, dropping the clips out from the bottom when empty.Extremely novel thinking, there is a certain logic to this use (everyone just gets issued 6.5mm on clips, the machinegunner carrying lots of them), and it functions, but this hopper was rather complex, and as you can imagine, it suffered absolutely horrendously from any kind of sand or mud.None of this is what OP has though.
are there any proof marks or markings anywhere at all?>>65294276>>65307345>>65307350>>65313342for instance in this pic top left mag looks like it has a "g">>65313350
>>65316568>BAR converted to 7.62x39mm and AK magsblursed
>>65316722>for instance in this pic top left mag looks like it has a "g">mag on the far right has a "13"Yeah, dude. Its totally a "g"...
>>65316568Oh my god, there are MORE? I thought this was a (admittedly cool as fuck) one-off along with maybe Arisaka and Carcano conversions, though those don't have AK mag conversions. Is the rest of that booklet scanned and available to read somewhere?
>>65316713The Type 11, I believe, had a similar problem as the Breda 30 where it has a lubricator inside of it that basically acts as a massive muck magnet.
could it be a thompson rifle
>>65316831I got it from here https://www.theakforum.net/threads/chinese-zb-26-7-62x39-conversion.331911
>>65316842>The Type 11, I believe, had a similar problem as the Breda 30 where it has a lubricator inside of it that basically acts as a massive muck magnet.Probably, but it's made worse by the complex hopper feed, which isn't all that protected. Easy for that get seized up by dirt.Notably, Russia, who had faced the Type-11 when fighting Japan in the Russo-Japanese war, was impressed enough with it to try something similar on their own. A prototype variant of the DP28 light machinegun was made using that same hopper feed, but in 7.62x54mmR and using Mosin Nagant stripper clips, naturally.After some testing, they opted not to adopt this.Good choice on their part, it's the kind of thing which would make someone starry eyed on the whole logistics part, but having just good detachable magazines or belts is way more practical for support weapons.
>>65316854rib too far back in that version at least
>>65316977Honestly, Nambu was a genius, but his most significant problem is that the Japanese army didn’t know when to tell him to go back to the drawing board.
>>65317012Honestly he was pretty good. Pistols kinda sucked, but pistols aren't too terribly important for military matters, so whatever. The Type 96 and Type 99 LMGs were excellent, and those mattered a lot.Something they IJA badly needed was the SMG, and that existed, but in spite of IJN Marines getting to actually use bought German ones in China saying "Uh, these are fucking amazing and they are gonna make a critical difference, we need a million of them." that fell on deaf ears, and there was never any serious attempt at trying to scale up Japan's own SMG production, so they always had very few.So much of their problems were in leadership, in addition to intra-service rivalry. It's honestly a dark comedy in that sense, because it got so absurd and pointless, and at the cost of so many lives.
>>65313350where EXACTLY did you get these
>>65316863I wonder if that museum is the same as the one that has the 7.62 M16 in it...
>>65317527iirc that m16 was vietnamese not chinese
>>65318764Huh, I'll have to look into it more; I think someone posted about it on here calling it Chinese a few years back. Thanks anon.
>>65314092>>65316722On the bottom of each magazine's spine is a stamped number ranging from 2 to 24. None are repeated. I have found 14 of these magazines so far.
>>65319297Can you get a clearer picture of the circle impression below the stamped 10 and 8 magazine? Might be a makers mark or something.
>>65319391Just looks like a circle to me, some mags have it some don't
>>65319391It's just a mark made during the manufacturing process, as you can see it's on both sides on the mag, with multiple circles showing.
>>65307345Seems like there's a clip guide?
>>65319470Is it possible to disassemble one of the magazines? Maybe the shape of the follower or spring could be a clue, perhaps there could be a marking inside?
>>65319440>>65319297are you going to answer where you got them? could be a good clue. did you try putting 30-06, 8mm, etc and seeing which cartridge looks like it fits the best?
>>65319470NTA, reminds me of AK mag spotwelds. Probably not helpful here. Ironically in AK mags, that is helpful as some countries have oddities like triangular, blob, oval, or teardrop shaped spotwelds. Why they're so consistent to the point spotwelds can help ID country of origin I'll never know considering the spot weld probes are consumables AFAIK and there's probably more than one maker in each country, or at least more than one spotwelder in a manufacturing plant.
Could they be some variant of BAR magazines? Was there any production or conversion of the BAR in calibers like 7.62mm Nagant, 8mm Lebel, 8mm Mannlicher, 6.5mm Arisaka, .303 British? Anything at all like that?
>>65318764Those were made by Norinco imo. The upper receiver screams Norinco.
>>65324698I think this is the Chinese 7.62x39 M16 they're referencing.
>>65316977They also had an experimental quad-mount DT variant that used unique 20-round box mags.
