Could we actually be getting a russian civil war? For real this time? The red Z was so kino...
>>65295525The last guy backed down without a fight.
>>65295529Why did he do it?
>>65295531They went for his kids
These videos have been posted for a while now. I'm not going to pretend that Russia is doing well but I don't think this is a sign of anything larger. Back in 2023 I saw people posting videos demanding that Putin be informed of poor conditions at the front. Soldiers were accusing their commanders of deceiving Putin
>>65295543Just like Prigozhin, I think.
>>65295531Why did Prigo do it and back down?Because they're dumb Russians
>>65295543How do we know that though?
>>65295525>their morale is breaking dissent and ready to revoltHas been a sensationalist propaganda angle for centuries. You'll always find people displeased with war.
>>65295529lets see if these pidors have some balls
>>65295571not sure if lack of fuel helps or hurts a rebellion
>>65295545I'd say there's something qualitatively different between going with the tame "if only batyushka knew" and "fuck the tzar"
>>65295586We'll have to wait and see. I don't have much faith in this type of video because they're easy to fake or artificially signal boost. For example, there was this Russian speaking model that made an Instagram post that got millions of views calling out Putin for the internet shutdown. Turned out she lives in Monaco. I do know that the woman that runs the central bank disappeared for a few weeks after dissent rumors and some other Russian bankers are publically getting mad about the oil situation. Those are more credible, I think.
>>65295557Fug, disregard the "dissent" there. Typo
>>65295571>>65295574Assuming current trends continue, this means that any kind of mechanised assault is a non-starter for Russia. Obviously drones made them suicidal in the first place, but they still attempted them occasionally. I'm also specifically talking about any form of break out, so it'll be infiltration tactics all the way to Kyiv.
>>65295574if the GRU or whoever can't get to them they're safer I think?
>>65295525Do you think Ukraine would/could get involved in this if it all boils over? A wave of Anti-Putin russian soldiers backed by Ukraine sweeping towards Moscow would be a sight to see
nothing will happen, all of these movements are 'if only the tsar knew' which is getting so fucking boring at this point cause they ultimately lead absolutely nowhere and just make russoids behave more like russoids
>>65295571https://youtu.be/IwLSrNu1ppI
>>65295525>Jun 26thYou should have checked, he recanted a day or two later and begged for forgiveness.
>>65295525LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>65295525I’ll probably be banned for saying this but no, any thought of a civil war in russia is pure cope. The reality is that statistically the russian dead is 20% mercenaries and 20% prisoners, and of the remaining 60%, people from ethnic minority regions are 75 times more likely to die than those from moscow. The fact is that the ethnic russians havent really felt the effects of this war and are therefore extremely unlikely to start a civil war over gas shortages
>>65295525the serfs won't do shitthey are specifically bred to be spineless worms for generations
>>65295744>The fact is that the ethnic russians havent really felt the effects of this warRussia is facing both a gas shortage and a possible loss of harvest, but you're right that there won't be a civil war. The Russians are a far too slavish people for that.
>>65295757what if you just wanna go in and get some smokes or use the bathroom?
>>65295680>Russia goes into civil war(s)>Ukraine realizes that anti-Ukranian extremist faction with access to nukes would be a bad idea>have to redeploy inside Russia to help pro-russia groups against anti-Russian seperatists>Russians get deployed into Ukraine to help Ukraine against wild groups of anti-Ukranian Russian groups>some groups in Russia outright defect to Ukraine and get stationed in Kiyv>some Russian mil-blogger in Kentucky says "WE WIN TANKS IN KIYV CONFIRMED"
>>65295553Can someone give me a no BS QRD on what the fuck actually happened in Maiden and 2014? Every source I read is always extremely biased to one side or the other.
>>65295543>They went for his kidsWe assume that's true and it would totally be on-brand but I've never seen a shred of evidence explaining any of it.>>65295553>How do we know that though?We really don't and it pisses me off when anons run on hopium. I'd love to see some concrete sources for why Pringles stopped once he'd popped but I suspect we never will.>>65295612>Fug, disregard the "dissent" there. TypoTypo for what?>>65295615>so it'll be infiltration tactics all the way to Kyiv.I guess those are somewhat harder to detect (especially because foliage is back) but much easier to destroy.
>>65295757Someone posted a webm the other day of a russian talking about how he had waited 36 hours for gas.
>>65295531FSB livestreamed as they were skinning and raping his kids to him.
>>65295772Park down the street and walk. If you cut that line you are probably getting your ass kicked.
>>65295783Ukraine wanted to become Western, was seeking to cooperate with EU, oil companies were looking to exploit Ukrainian fossil fuels.Russia and Russian puppet in charge Yanukovych wanted to keep Ukraine Eastern, and bound to Russia, refuses to sign cooperation deal with EU.Situation escalates through a series of protests and riots, boiling over when mysterious snipers (I think US glownigger assets, sue me) start shooting at both protesters and police, destabilizing the situation beyond control.Yanykovych agrees to sign a settlement to end the riots and then flees the country.Russia starts uprisings in numerous Ukrainian cities with Strelkov at the head.Russia invades once these uprisings are at risk of being completely stomped out.
>>65295757You know whats the funniest part about this?1)The only region without fuel problems is Chechnya.2)Russia has no problems fully filling shaheds tanks.
>>65295802>Russia invades once these uprisings are at risk of being completely stomped out.I dont think this is what happened, my brother was in ATO and he said they pushed russians so far in 2014, he started getting russian cell-providers signal on his phone.And than Poroshenko released "I order Ukrainian army to lower its weapons" law or something.
>>65295757Where is this?Also, I wonder what happened to the traffic jam on the kerch bridge.
>>65295757That's a big conga line
>>65295825>I dont think this is what happenedDonetsk was being bombed, "insurgents" were fleeing, Strelkov resigned in August 2014 before Russia pretty openly crossed the border with armor, leading to the Minsk agreement after a couple months of fighting.Is there something about this that contradicts what you know?
>>65295837>before Russia pretty openly crossed the border with armor, leading to the Minsk agreement after a couple months of fighting.I wasnt aware of this part desu. I was on polygon training and we didnt have any outside world connection.
>>65295680I doubt it. Ukraine don't want to lose more soldiers than they have to; Valuing their own lives is one of the most important yokes of the USSR legacy they've thrown off.They will ABSOLUTELY be hunting down all of Russian command responsible for the SVO and dragging the motherfuckers that kidnapped all their children, the beasts behind the human safari until the end of the Earth if Russia collapses and you know what, I'd love to pay for their gas.
>>65295802Thanks, anon. The start definitely checks out with what I have gathered. It's the last bits that always seem to get real muddy.
>>65295525Is we gettin a russian civil war?
>>65295802You forgot 1 thingYanukovitch ran on the promise he is going to bring Ukraine into EUbut he also wanted to make sure he could keep paranoid schizos in kremlin happySo he signed a deal in 2012 leasing the naval base in crimea to the Russian navyYou can't join NATO if you host another nations troopsUkraine couldn't joined if they wanted toand then he backed out of a potential deal with EU anyway
>>65295772>SmokesThose damn smokers are the ones responsible for all of this in the first place.
>>65295802>YanukovychYou're forgetting the part where he ran his campaign on being EU aligned, then immediately back tracked on all of it when he got into power, which is what triggered the protests in the first place.
>>65295680>Do you think Ukraine would/could get involved in this if it all boils over? I'd assume SBU would be balls-deep in it with Budanov coordinating presidential diplomatic shenanigans as Zelenskyy sides with first one faction, then another, according to some SBU/MoD/ZSU master plan that includes political maskerova because Sirsky trained in the same doctrines as Gerasimov and Ukrainian officer training probably has the exact same maskerova doctrine as the Russian army officer college does.>A wave of Anti-Putin russian soldiers backed by Ukraine sweeping towards Moscow would be a sight to seeThat's called the Free Russia Legion* and they're the survivors of the nazi Russians ultra-nationalists/white-supremacists that Putin gulaged a while back.If they win, it could get rough for Chechnya and churkas in general.>>65295782>Ukraine realizes that anti-Ukranian extremist faction with access to nukes would be a bad ideaYeah, I suppose that Ukraine really can't afford to sit it out actually.* also Russian Volunteer Corps who are even nazier and Russian Insurgent Army who are allegedly fairly normal politically and National Republican Army who are the Russian resistance to the Putin regime and may or may not even exist.
>>65295525Russians are spiritually buck broken on a level most westerners cannot comprehend. They are literal serfs, they will never rise against their czar.
>>65295783>Can someone give me a no BS QRD on what the fuck actually happened in Maiden and 2014?To expand on what >>65295802 said, there was an act of parliament to apply for EU entry, Yanukovych had previously committed to signing it but after some arm-twisting by Moscow, vetoed it instead, maybe a pocket-veto I forget but he didn't sign it like he was supposed to and had promised to.That was seen as a gross betrayal and acquiescence to Moscow and kicked of the Euromaidan.I don't think the snipers are mysterious, I think the Russian FSB had quite firm control over a lot of the security services and those services took orders from Moscow to crush the protests.
>>65295525Prisoners and mafia where collective and face is more more important than life and dignity?Very low shot with the ruzzian serf: the homo sovieticus has never known freedom of thought as any here might have. If a superior (teacher, boss or rank) tell a serf 1+1 is 3, the superior is right and a serf that'd try to correct him would be outside of the collective: which the ruzzian "correct" with gay sex and gulag (more gay sex). Russia value individualist as much as in Japan or Korea, but without the national success of either of those three, leaving the herd is a social crime. The ability to correct one's superior is rare outside out Western world as truth has value: the ruzzian language has about as many words for "lie" as the Innuit has for snow: excessive as this is critical to communicate. When do collectivist societies rebel?Unfed serfs such as 1917. Outside threats to the collective culture: China's boxer rebellion, Iran 1979.Is Ukraine a threat to the ruzzian identity?About as much as Poland, or the Baltics. Their economic posterity and living standard after the soviet break-up is the greater threat to a ruzzian mindset. This is why China has had its Great Firewall, and Russia is increasing it's Internet restrictions: increasingly ANYWHERE is better than their societies. Russia will loose militarily to Ukraine, not by major rebellion from within, possible minor insurgencies. You likely can not imagine how cucked the mind of a "human" between Murmansk and Vladivostok is.
God, I hope a fuel shortage ends up leading to a Russian civil war. I want Ukraine to finially prove once and for all that you can indeed win a war by using LONG RANGE STRATEGIC BOMBING to kill your opponent’s fuel infrastructure.
>>65295525I'm getting videos organically on youtube of russian servicemens pls-tzar proclamations. The future is wild. Moral must be beyond abysmal.
They are cucks and will obediently go to take up queue for a mandatory weekly buttrape
>>65296080>It's not by firing inconclusively at them by sharpshooters,eh, they did that in Lithuania, even in Moscow. Random terror is on the first page of the Soviet anti-insurgency manual.
>>65295802>mysterious snipers (I think US glownigger assets, sue me) Definitely not the riot police operating without insignia, all of whom instantly escaped to russia and got positions in the RU system? No? Alrightly then.
>>65296093Why would they do that?To whose benefit was it for them to destabilize the situation so badly Yanykovych had to flee the country?A simplistic cui bono question points West, not East.
>>65296110>Do you have proofs?
>>65295802>>65295825>>65295837No one even remembers givi and motorola? Truly this board is lost if we can't even go back 12 years. I don't have the vid of him standing in front of a grad as it launches rockets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7djfXfMokWw
>>65296110>are not terrorizing, but angering.Sure, but thats because we and Ukranians are humans. For the russian being attacked will make him submit and beg for protection.
>>65296135A useful idiot who got the fate he deserved.
>>65296135I disliked the simping here for those tools.
>>65295783- ukie society had coalesced on EU integration, to the point that the "pro-russian" Yanukovich had to run with that during elections to actually get into power;- he rejects the agreement at the last moment for no reason (hint-hint: russian orders);- students start small protests, people are generally pretty passive, since Yanukovich spent 4+ years nerfing society by that point;- he gives an order to police to brutally squash the protest, it backfires and results in more normies going out due to "what the fuck did you do?!";- rinse & repeat, try to squash protest -> more people walk out to the streets;- at some point there's so many people that no amount of police can clear them out;- they try to call in "internal army" (soviet "national guard" wannabe), they delicately cuck out and make excuses ("hurr-durr we can't even leave our bases, we're blocked here"), because at that point the writing is on the wall and nobody wants to be the scapegoat later;- meanwhile shenanigans happen about trying to defuse the situation, e.g. the government agreeing to disband and call new elections in a few months, but people rationally say "fuck that", because it's an obvious way to dupe people into dispersing;- the most notorious riot police unit "Berkut" is used to try and break people, including attempts to ram people using BTRs, when this doesn't work they open fire with live ammo on normies, this just makes things even worse;- Yanukovich escapes into russia;- the parliament (including his own party) votes to remove him from power, interim president is installed through the succession mechanism, new elections are called in;- using the protest and post-protest fuckedness, russians start their plan on hybrid occupation of the country;- it works in Crimea because there are already russian military bases present there;
>>65295802>(I think US glownigger assets, sue me)Couldn't POSSIBLY be Russia, the country with countless assets in nation with a propensity for brutally suppressing dissidents and protecting Yanukovych
>>65295525So far the sparks of this army rebellion seem completely unorganized.Army vs rosgvardiya type civil war scenario seems distant at this point, but the army's unrest might be enough to cause a rapid collapse the russian fronts in Ukraine.
>>65296116>Why would they do that?The same reason why russians did torture cells for teens in occupied Kherson. The same reason why russians killed people in Bucha and Izyum. The same reason why they bomb civilian shit every day. They are bloodthirsty subhumans and operate on the idea that violence will achieve their goals. Because it works in russia. When there were protests in russia in 1993 the regime just killed people using tanks and snipers. Officially 147 people, unofficially up to two thousand. They've also killed and tortured people in Belarus during protests, because the local society was cucked and had the wrong response to it.>To whose benefit was it for them to destabilize the situation so badly Yanykovych had to flee the country?You are either retarded or deliberately being disingenuous. >A simplistic cui bono question points West, not East.In your case it's khui bono, faggot.
>>65296110>The kind of shootings that happened in Ukraine are not terrorizing, but angering.Oh, you know the intentions of the shooters? What they were trying to achieve? No, you don't, you're looking at the end result and assuming that it was the intended goal.It is a fact that the russians were all over ukrainian institutions. They had men everywhere. Fuck, they had reached so far they literally had control of the president. But it couldn't have been the spooks that we know were there, it must have been someone else's spooks! Come on.
>>65296137Romanian security forces shot at their own people with sniper rifles during the revolution that overthrew Ceausescu, it's pretty much on point for a unit like Berkut that has roots in the former Soviet OMON to be doing the same.
>>65296160>Police were shot by snipers.Yes, this is a classical regime move? Shoot some cops too, make them mad and pissed off, hope that that radicalizes your security force and that they'll crush dissent willingly.
>>65296160>Why would Russia ensure that it loses control of Ukraine?You're working backwards. Russian assets brutally suppressed protesters because that's how they have operated for a fucking century. They weren't thinking 4D schizo chess years down the road, they saw protesters and shot them (like they openly did the others).
>>65296141Oh for sure, but I do recall everyone fellating those retards. The clankening was so kino though.
>>65295680They already support the Freedom of Russia Legion, odds are that if another similar group forms, they'll arm them and train them to cause trouble behind the lines or use them as a frontline unit if they have enough mass.
>>65296179>you get tanks and artillery; weapons the protesters can't defeat as they're not armed to do so.Must be imagining all those BTRs getting lit up by molotov cocktails
>>65296186You're posting on /k/ and you call a BTR a tank? Fuck right off.
cont. >>65296146- had to bus in retards from russia and trannysisstria, as well as hire some local gopniks, to get people and try to pull a "popular revolution" locally, failed in all regions (including due to popular resistance and local cops not being passive) expect Donetsk/Luhansk, where way more FSB faggots and other RU mercs were able to be sent;- when the government finally retaliated, the occupation forces were being quickly cucked into oblivion, however some operations were dumb and naive, expecting the russians to not do some things in the open, such as shoot openly right across the border and such;- to prevent the total collapse of the occupation forces, full blown army had to be sent across the border;- it became a big issue, because once again some of the expectation were retarded ("they'd never send a whole army across the border in the open"), resulting in a ton of issues, however the resulting army also had its head bashed in (the famous "fried buryats" stuff);- retarded "peace agreements" were signed, which russia broke almost instantly, resulting in the next series of "peace agreements" being signed, which russia also broke almost instantly;- however, since the RU army was unprepared to wage real war back then, they were also for freezing the conflict and trying to fuck over Ukraine through socioeconomic and political means;
Fun fact, no country has ever been improved or it’s culture made better by civil war
>>65295757Why so many white cars? Is white paint cheaper in Pidoristan?
>>65296179>ultimately leading to Yanykovych being forced to step down.He was being impeached because of his political actions in regards to the EU deal, you are trying to confuse things and deflect from the main point of origin of the whole situation.
>>65296189>NOOO IFVs DON'T COUNT AS ARMORED VEHICLESEat shit and die, schizo
Strelkov himself posting ITT lol>>65296170What I loved the most about those protests was the level of organization the protestors managed to mobilize with their own specialized workshops for manufacturing shields and armor, as well as hotlines for reporting missing victims kidnapped/murdered by the FSB/Berkut , it reminds me a lot of the Japanese Sanrizuka rioters who'd show up with their own matching uniforms and battering rams and pikes covered with cloth to break through police shield walls without killing anyone, with special molotov squads targeting police firetrucks (these protests were fucking insane and deserve a thread of their own).
>>65295783>>65295861>>65295802>I'm just an anon looking for non biased QRD>here's the whole story:>leaves out the critical information that led to the protests in the first place>blames US glowies with no evidence, no mention of te possibility of russian glowiers>oh thanks anon, that's certainly 100% the unbiased truth the west is trying to hide!definitely organic sequence of posts
>>65296197>IFVNow you're just fucking with me.
>>65296199>these protests were fucking insane and deserve a thread of their ownmake one
>>65296160>Police were shot by snipers.Before or after riot police openly on camera opened fire on protestors? Before or after riot police tried to run over people with BTRs? Before or after people were kidnapped, tortured, maimed and killed? Literally all from the RU playbook.>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26866069>He reported first seeing injured police officers being loaded into ambulances. It was unclear how they had been hurt but possible that they had been hit by gunfire, he said.So no definite proof cops were even shot by "snipers"? Only a possibility? Lol
>>65295757This was a 48 hour wait just to get gas as of 1-2 days ago
>>65296194White paint is usually the cheapest paint everywhere.That's why fleet vehicles are often white
>>65296116NTA but who says that was the intended result?The traditional Soviet playbook was to consistently escalate force until you had an excuse to just start gunning people down and sending in tanks and given the circumstances the Russians would have been more than happy to """help"""; I'm pretty sure they expected Yanukovych to double down on violent reprisals instead of fleeing.
>>65296179>No, I'm saying the result was angering, not terrorizingYes, I agree. That is a fact. But did whoever shot the protesters intend to terrorize or to anger?
>>65296179>And again, this is nothing like what destabilized the situation in UkraineIt does exactly the same situation. There were anti-president, pro-parliament protests in 1993. The regime shot up both protestors and their own security forces to paint the protestors as violent and dangerous. This is literally the same thing.>You have no logically sound counter-arguments.The logic argument, my dear faggot, is that your logic of "who benefits" is by definition exploitable by third parties which can paint the other side as benefiting lol. The whole "who benefits" is a nice sounding, but retarded and naive idea. Russians in 2022 literally used the same arguments about the Bucha massacre: "hurr-durr what's the benefit for us to do so, it was definitely khokhols".
>>65296179>If the people genuinely rise up, you need the militaryMilitary says "lol, lmao" by design. It's role are external threats. There were attempts to use "internal army" (ghetto national guard), which is specifically tuned to handle internal threats, but they've cucked out.
>>65296146Didn't Yanukovich also take the entire national reserve with him on his way out?
>>65296194Just an issue with video muting the colors. Like 80-90%+ of cars sold these days in the world are: white, gray, silver and black. People are cucked and buy neutral shit for "practicality" (hurr-durr it will be easier to resell the car later).
>>65296206I will if I can muster the presence of mind necessary to make a thread that isn't low quality garbage.Note that the rioters (in the white helmets) are using hammer and anvil tactics to attack the counter-attacking cops in the flank after the initial battering ram charge with people on the flanks of the battering ram squad armed with batons to protect them from skirmishing cops.
Anyone have the webm of the BTR getting lit up with like 20 molotovs during the clankening?
>>65296230>The 13 dead police officers are just a possibilitymein negro there a difference if they were killed before or after they've started trying to openly kill protestors, once that was a thing all bets were off and it's a shame that more police faggots weren't killed
>>65296235>It does exactly the same situation. There were anti-president, pro-parliament protests in 1993. The regime shot up both protestors and their own security forces to paint the protestors as violent and dangerous. Proofs?>This is literally the same thing.And then proceeded to roll in with tanks? The part which specifically never happened in Ukraine, because the government forces were completely unprepared for the escalation?Funny how you're arguing that Yanykovych's government chose to escalate the situation without being at all prepared for it themselves.>Russians in 2022 literally used the same arguments about the Bucha massacre: "hurr-durr what's the benefit for us to do so, it was definitely khokhols".And that's not logically sound, since obviously Russia benefits from killing the locals during an invasion. If you're anyone who might become a problem, Russia will disappear you.Russia maintains lists of people to kill in whatever countries it might invade. If you're someone important, you'll get a character like a "Polish art seller" coming to your door to visually identify you and ensure you actually live there.>>65296238>Military says "lol, lmao" by design.General says "Yes, sir," when someone higher up on the nomenklatura list tells him to do it. Of course Ukraine wasn't really Soviet anymore at that point, which is also why it was outside actors doing the sniping to begin with.>>65296254(Temporary) Health minister at the time identified corpses as being shot by similar rounds.
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>>65296199Ukrainians are what the West THOUGHT was characteristic of Russia.
>>6529624560s and 70s japan was wild. It's definitely worth a thread or two talking about this time period
>>65295783I'm going to try to remain as unbiased as possible.Ukraine's background political kerfuffle that lead to 2014 is a result of oligarchs owning media and also seeking parliamentary immunity. Until Zelensky signed it into law in 2020 that the privilege would be revoked, Ukrainian MPs could not be held criminally liable or arrested without approval of the Verkhovna Rada. So this ends up with rich people knowing they'll be fucked with, they try to get into politics to prevent being fucked with and also try and fuck with their competitors, and those who hold influence over media can engage in which hunts.You've probably heard at least something about Yulia Timoshenko or you may have glanced at the TV news once during the 2010s and noticed her signature hairstyle.In the buildup for the Orange Revolution the president Leonid Kuchma was trying to fuck with her and her husband with bogus charges, so she joined up with the candidate Yushchenko (the guy who got poisoned, pro-EU and pro-NATO) and he ran against Yanukovych who was Kuchma and Putin backed. Yanukovych won via electoral fraud, the Orange Revolution happened, Yushchenko won and Timoshenko got the acting Prime Minister seat.However when the enemy of your enemy is no longer necessary he stops being your friend, so Yushchenko and Timoshenko split. Timoshenko starts getting hit with criminal charges again.In 2006 Yulia wins a parliamentary seat so she gets her immunity, can't form a proper coalition, so she ends up making a deal with Yanukovych's Party of Regions where Yanukovych becomes speaker, but they double-cross her party and with the cooperation of the socialist and communist parties and Yushchenko himself Yanukovych becomes Prime Minister. You're now seeing how this is a three-way fuck fuck circus.There's other political drama in the mix, the coalition the Party of Regions had goes under and Tymoshenko becomes PM for the second time. This is where she butts heads with Putin. (1/2)
>>65296239It wasn't on the way out. It was way more sinister than that. Fuck, there is so much context regarding that that has to be specified that it would take a series of posts. QRD:- russia engaged in economic warfare using gas supply contracts;- the goal is to cause economic ruin and take away ownership of ukie gas transit system, e.g. taking it away for unpaid debts (as it did in Belarus);- when Yanukovich gets back into power around 2010, the whole gas deal becomes a fucked up in a way where Ukraine overpays for gas in terms of price (it costs more than to other countries, including those transit to which costs a fuck ton of money), and also has to pay for the gas even if doesn't need it or doesn't use it, basically a political scheme to siphon off billions of dollars from the ukie economy, making it hemorrhage money;- for political reasons (since he wanted to get reelected), Yanukovich doesn't increase the domestic gas prices to what they should be based on the cost of those imports;- this results in gas being bought for a ton of money and sold for cheap, creating a mother of all budget holes, reserves are used to plug that;- and yes, everything here is also deliberately convoluted for corruption reasons, so that there are multiple middlemen who can earn money and such;- also some more reserves are used to artificially prop up the currency rate for political reasons (basically artificially inflating price of the currency because that looks like people having more income... at the same time this fucks up export for business and results in way more damage when it finally is stopped from being propped up);So that most of the reserves got fucked up just because of shitty and treasonous policies. Some shit was probably plundered but not most of it. What people usually associate with plundering is Yanukovich taking fuckin' shipping containers worth of USD cash, which he was supposedly made fun of by RU oligarchs and corrupt faggots.
>>65296259>(Temporary) Health minister at the time identified corpses as being shot by similar rounds.what kind of rounds? if it's something commonly used then that's not very solid proof, like trying to claim that murders in the USA using .223 Remington must be related
>>65296249>it's the natural conclusion because of the resultbruh. we're going in circles.>Nowhere near enough firing to terrorizeI'm gonna do what your retarded ass has been doing all thread: PROOFS? PROOFS??? PROOFS THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH?? YOU GOT ANY PROOFS?I can explain the difference between intention and result, but brother, I can't understand it for you.
>>65296259>Proofs?People's statements from the time. Go look up shit from 33 years ago yourself.>And then proceeded to roll in with tanks? The part which specifically never happened in Ukraine, because the government forces were completely unprepared for the escalation?Because Eltsyn had full personal control of the loyal military on speed dial, unlike Yanukovich. Also, you probably don't even know that russians have special army detachments located around mosqueov designed specifically to put down any popular protests with tanks and such.>Funny how you're arguing that Yanykovych's government chose to escalate the situation without being at all prepared for it themselves.They chose to escalate like 10 times before the shooting even started, retard. They were expecting that people would cuck out at some point. They were escalating every step of the way. This is consistent. >General says "Yes, sir," when someone higher up on the nomenklatura list tells him to do it.No, because there a bad precedent in Ukraine that such a general would then be suicided with three shots in the back of his head to avoid giving statements about who gave the order. >(Temporary) Health minister at the time identified corpses as being shot by similar rounds.That wasn't the question, retard.
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>>65295525Apparently Lunin has been arrested, likely on charges of defaming the Russian Army.
>>65295543>>65295546>>65295553>>65295798It's completely believable and you'd never actually see "evidence" of such a thing. You think there were normie bystanders making tiktoks of it?What's trunis that anyone who doesn't think it's what would happen is retarded, and if you're going to move on the Muscovite regime and haven't already relocated your family somewhere safe and hidden outside the country you're either completely braindead or willing to sacrifice them.
>>65295529>without a fight.Well, he fought gravity at the end....
>>65296116You are making the claim that Western glowies infiltrated Ukrainian security forces and fired upon protestors during the 2014 revolution. Do you have a source for these claims?
>>65296316>You think there were normie bystanders making tiktoks of it?They lived like regular "golden youth", not some royalty with 100500 of personal bodyguards.
>>65296265making a thread, but keep in mind I'm terrible at this.
>>65296330>As reliable as the Russian media.Most of RU media was pro-Eltsyn at the time and was willing to whitewash his deeds away.
>>65296330>And that these were in fact assets aligned to Western glowniggers, because the beneficiaries of this event wereoh right, the who benefits thing, such a reducionist way of thinking with the way you midwits apply it, at some point you are going to say Putin is a CIA asset because his actions didn't end up benefiting Russia.
>>65295755>>65295744I joined some zigger tgram groups to see how they cope with recent events, well they are just ignoring everything and show how they bombed apartments in Kiev.As for a cw... The sheer cynicism on display in those groups made me sick. They will never ever revolt, forget it. They'll rather eat shit and smile cynically as they chew.
>>65296330>No. I'm making the claim that mysterious snipers during Euromaidan fired both at protesters and police....>And that these were in fact assets aligned to Western glowniggers....Wow that's a lot of words. So do you mind giving me your source for the shooters being linked to Western intelligence?
>>65296330>Rosgvardia is responsible for any such things now, if they're not who you meant.They are technically Rosgrarvia now, yes, but I'm specifically talking about Dzerzhinsky Division, which has IFVs, artillery, AA system and so on and its historical role is to roll into the city and save the government from its people.
>>65295783>>65296273The Ukrainian company handling the export of Russian gas was 2.4 bil in the hole due to corruption. In 2009 the Russians cut the gas, and the rest of Europe has its supply affected. The EU is pissed off.This is happening during the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis so everything is fucked, Ukraine can't be toughing out subzero temperatures with no gas, the EU pressures Tymoshenko and Russia to make a deal.Tymoshenko loses the presidential election in 2010 to Yanukovych, she gets charged with new and old corruption cases from 2004, she's even charged with the murder of a guy in 1996 (???). Now here's the kicker - in 2018 it was revealed Paul Manafort and Tony Podesta helped Yanukovych conduct a media campaign in the West directed against Tymoshenko. Yanukovych extends the lease of Sevastopol to 2042 to reduce Russian gas price hikes.2013, Yanukovych is supposed to start the process to join the EU as he had promised during the campaign, but Putin blocks the imports of Ukrainian goods. Yanukovych backs off. Young people protest because they want to be in the EU so they can fuck off and migrate to the West. Yanukovych sends his goons to beat the kids up. The populace is outraged and you get Maidan. Tymoshenko released from prison.Yanukovych and the opposition makes a deal. He keeps presidency, Yatsenyuk gets the Prime Minister seat.Security forces who assaulted protesters (and murdered roughly 100 people) realized that the opposition having PM seat means they get prosecuted while Yanukovych gets off the hook. They abandon post and refuse to protect Yanukovych. Without security, he fucks off to Russia.Putin panics, has the entire Crimea peninsula seized via Sevastopol.Igor Girkin kicks off the "civil war" nobody really wanted, takes down TV broadcast towers in the East and Russian-speaking Ukrainians are told by Russian TV broadcasts that the Banderites are coming to kill them.
>>65296344>at some point you are going to say Putin is a CIA asset because his actions didn't end up benefiting Russia.They're not the same at all, if you consider who benefits at the time of the event and before it begins.Pre-2022 invasion had actual potential benefits for Russia. *IF* Russia had managed to take Kyiv, they would have had massive gains from the operation and possibly taken Ukraine over.But during Euromaidan, any analysis would have shown you that there was no actual benefits for Russia or the Ukrainian government at the time in escalating the violence through sniping both at police and protesters, since they didn't have any actual ability of handling that escalation. Yanykovych never had any means of dealing with the violence and that was known at the time.Things going as planned for Putin in 2022 would have been beneficial for Russia.Things going as planned during Euromaidan snipings would have been harmful for Russia.So why would Russia/Yanykovych have been behind the snipings when them happening was bad for Russia in the first place.
>>65295525How is Copelord the reverse-prophet taking the news?
>>65296277No wonder ukies wanted to pivot west, holy shit.
Did the Russians even respond after the refineries blew up?
>>65296110yea idk man this is textbook russia. shooting civilians the moment things get tricky is the natural progression for these "people"
>>65296408They bombed Kiev again, as usual.
>>65296408yes, they hit apartment buildings and a red cross warehouse in kyiv overnight. plus this pool for some reason
>>65296408They attacked food/aid warehouses and apartment blocks in kyiv>>65296414They thought Ukrainians were drowning Russian POWs in this pool
>>65296414a pool is a large collection of water that can be made drinkable relatively easily.
>>65296191god imagine if Russia balkanized tho
>>65296191That's not true.
>>65296428>>65296414You'd think they'd try and hit something that contributes to the Ukrainians ability to blow their shit up. This isn't even a moral thing. Like if they stifle the attacks they will have more opportunities to hit even more apartment blocks later. Are the Russians so fucking short sighted they can't even get this right? Not even Sauron's mordor would stoop this fucking low
>>65296450it sucks that civilians die, but ukraine is lucky russia is retarded and thinks like a drunk wife beater. if they only targeted military assets instead of hitting civilians, ukraine may have not made it this long
>>65296388Not him but you aren't applying the same scrutiny here, you've decided the motivations and alignment of the snipers by the outcome of their actions, but haven't allowed the outcome of putin's actions to coalesce, and have thus decided his motivation and alignment by the application of a double standard One could similarly decide the motivations and alignment of the snipers at an arbitrary time by saying their actions had potential benefit to [x party] *IF* [event]
>>65296191The US stopped short of marching its slave owning aristocracy to the nearest ditch and executing them, sadly. But the post civil war pivot to a more modern economic system has reaped huge economic and cultural gains.
>>65296414Poor bastards probably got atomized, that was a direct hit.
>>65296394He's on hiatus to "work on writing his book".
>>65296249The Soviets know well how to repress.The Russian federation isn't the Russian SFSR by a long shot and Ukraine degenerated even harder post '91; I just said they were using the same inherited playbook.>They maintain active kill-lists of people they need to disappear in the case of an invasion / instability.No doubt.>They don't half-ass operations of this nature.They half-ass stuff like this ALL THE TIME. I mean jesus fucking christ just look at the '99 bombings or Beslan or the Crocus attack or even the Sims 3 incident. Misjudgements, incompetence and miscalculations are their stock in trade.>Yanykovych would have been in constant contact with his superiors in Moscow. There's no reason for them to just expect something when they could just talk to the man.Just because he was a catspaw doesn't mean that Yanukovych was devoid of personal agency and there's a non-zero chance that he had some sort of insurance which would make him less desirable as a martyr than as an exile.
>>65296478>a more organized bunch like the CIAThe CIA, despite their popular perception as a supremely well funded organization with their fingers on every pie are anything but. The best indicator that they weren't involved is the fact that EuroMaidan succeeded because if the CIA was involved they'd have managed to push Ukraine closer to Puccia, somehow.They are like the SEALs, they talk big game but in reality they suck at their job.
>>65296499Why the fuck would the CIA want Ukraine to be closer to Russia? That makes no fucking sense, anon. They usually don't think three steps ahead, so destabilize is their MO. Having the shitty pieces not come into place is also their MO because they fucking suck at doing their jobs.
>>65296506are you retarded
>>65296512Yes. But I'm not being paid for the same results as hiring mental invalids.
>>65296506>Why the fuck would the CIA want Ukraine to be closer to Russia?They wouldn't, they'd just fuck up big time.
>>65295531I gave him bad ideas.
>>65296515can you explain the intent of your message here and what you're trying to communicate?
>>65296146Is the 20 hour long Vice documentary a good watch?
>>65295680A couple of well aimed drone strikes could help the movement along if it ever really got going by targeting select pieces of internal security infrastructure at the right time
>>65296545Vice has put out a lot of garbage, but their coverage of conflicts in Ukraine, Mali and Afghanistan are among some of the best documentaries ever released.
>>65295783Putins guy in the Rada tanked Ukraine's efforts to join the EU on Kremlin orders and the ukies got big mad, forcing him yo flee to Moscow where he remains to this dayPutin used the opportunity to seize Crimea and began funding and arming terror groups in the donbass as prep for his eventual full scale invasion in 2022
>>65296414Fuck there were people there. I hope they are okay
>hello anons, john wayne from hamburger oblast here, isn't it funny how the CIA continues to frame the poor innocent russians every day for 250+ years? I'm just trying to get a neutral opinion here btw i love mac & cheese and cowboy boots and being neutral and objective realpolitik observer
It'll be 5 years long sooner than later. Moscow doesn't give a shit so long as Moscow's day to day loss of normality is minimal. And the Slavs, true to their ancient name, will simply eat shit and eat more shit and eat it again when it comes back out. Bog in a froiling pot and all that.The only way this could end is an actual crushing defeat or milquetoast negotiations that mostly return to the status quo with a tilt in Russia's favor. The problem being nobody, seen as the collective, will supply Ukraine with the means and most importantly the men, to achieve a crushing defeat.Good luck in thinking russia coukd be bled dry to capitulation. They have a centuries long history of doing it to themselves and self schadenfreude'ing about it.
>>65296152offtopic but I absolutely had this dinosaur picture book as a kid and I never forgot the thumbknife dino.
>>65296559the fact that US soldier didn't pull out his sidearm and execute that fuck on the spot is why the US lost in Afghanistan
>>65296580I'm more amazed at the restraint they showed after finding out that the ANA had literally bricked off prisoners inside a wall with no food or water to keep them hidden from U.S. soldiers.
>>65296414>be me>lifeguard at local pool>get home from long shift of making sure children don't drown themselves or their friends>go on my favorite dying Russians voyerism forum>see this shitMan, I don't even want to imagine having to pull off a rescue with that much crap in the water.
>>65296249Yeah the russiams have experience crushing protests, but they are also hideously incompetent
>>65296541No. I'm on too high of plane than your comprehension. And I'm sorry.
>why would russia do it? it doesn't benefit them>meanwhile russians openly talk about doing picrel
>>65296450You assume that Russia has the ability to actually hit targets and aim their long range munitions, likely because you're so used the fact that Western PGMs are good enough to slap chop a particular guy in a truck while traumatizing but leaving everyone else alive that you presume that's just a given capability. Unfortunately, Russian weapons are lucky if they hit within the correct zip code and as such, they're incapable of hitting military targets which are going to be small and hardened.
>>65296642Adherents of "Might Makes Right" never want to be on the receiving end of said might, curiously enough.
>>65296642>sat him on a bottleSomehow, I suspect the problem was less the "raping a family" part, and more about filming it.
>>65296273>>65296277>>65296365Don't forget that around that time, there were oil and gas finds right off the coast of Crimea in the black sea which had the potential to allow Ukraine to be somewhat energy independent and massively undercut Russias' energy monopoly.
>>65296642why are they so obsessed with ass fucking?
Lunin has been v& though.
>>65295525There will definitely be reckoning when Putin kicks the bucket. The power vacuum is going to be wild
>i have to wait in line for gas?>LAUNCH THE NUKES why are they like this?
>>65296606Don't think there would be anyone to rescue. Water being denser than air transfers the shockwave of the explosion much better. They are toast.
>>65295525nothing will happen until maybe the mass mob starts.when half a million men flee in panic the situation in russia will be fun to watch
>>65296825>Just say it straight: "you fucking peasants can live however you manage"so close to figuring it outif only the tsar knew how these ministers were betraying Russia
>>65296825
>>65295772No problem comrade. But don't mind us as we lock you inside while we siphon your fuel tank. Mwahahaha!
>>65296853how are you supposed to get used to a world without gas?
>>65295525All bets are ON! If this pans out, suspiciously large and specific bets will become the single most reliable indicator of incoming major geopolitical shifts.
>>65296872That's fucking Trump doing insider trading again.
>>65296872
>>65296872someone needs to send monke's guards the link to the betting site
>>65296570>with the means and most importantly the men, to achieve a crushing defeatif only ukraine had more men to tie to missiles and send to factories, command posts and refineries...
>>65296273>>65296277>>65296365so basically corruption, paranoia, and stupidity on both sides of the border made a fictional Ukrainian culture war turn into a real one
no parade?
lobotomize all ziggers
>>65296872My money is on nothing
>>65296245Damn, the white helmet look is pretty aesthetic.
>>65296925cope
>>65296825>Gdansk mentioned for no reasonGod damn, Poland fucked their national psyche that bad huh?
>>65296414You russians blew up a lot of water. The water was... very evil
>>65295932>Free Russia Legion>If they win, it could get rough for Chechnya and churkas in general.I may be wrong, but my understanding is that as Russian nationalists, they wanted created a russian nation state in the core russian territories, rather than the broad multi-ethnic "federation", and leaving groups like the Chechens, Kalmyks, Tartars, and Buryats to become independant (tho even then, i doubt Kadyrov and his cronies will have a good time)that said, i could see it getting very ugly depending on their definition of "core russian territories", and if they fall to the temptation of making some areas more ethnically russian by force
>>65296931Would that do anything to them?
Pringles cucking out will forever be the biggest blueballs.
>>65296931
>>65296931wonder what it was like for that brain to find itself outside the body, for the brief moment it was still alive.
>>65296831Maybe. Problem is that that's a lot less than the "certainly" if you leave wounded people in the water. The lifeguard there probably isn't much better off where he's sitting, but I tend to do a foot patrol along the deep end, which is the foreground side there.>searchesYeah, Ukie Pravda is saying no fatalities on the spot. No mention of if the lifeguards went in or everyone got out under their own power, though. I'll have to send that one in to the boss.https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/07/02/8042135/
>>65295802>when mysterious snipers (I think US glownigger assets, sue meThere were no Snipers you retard. That conspiracy happened when people started questioning how so many protesters were shot. There's video of Russian HOMO shooting at protesters when they stormed the Presidential palace. And they weren't "snipers" they had aks and were just shooting into crowds. The documentary "Winter on Fire" shows russians shooting into the crowd.
>>65296931>contained a brainare we sure he was russian?
>>65296865By getting electric cars and heat pumps.
>>65296999Yes. Leading russian scientist and strategists have concluded that water can lead to undesirable outcomes such as indoor plumbing, human well-being and civilization in general.
>>65296981The entirety of russian national psyche is just centuries of unmitigated trauma.
>>65296981Only country that celebrates independence from Poland. And the funny part is Poland would destroy Russia in a war nowadays.
>>65295608>the woman that runs the central bank disappeared for a few weeksShe made an appearance at that economic forum right after Moscow was bombed she's fine
>>65297026Anon, the brain cannot fathom the concept of "left" if there is a stroke in the right place. I can guarantee that whatever life was experience happened in the microseconds of continued existence were unfathomable.
>>65296486More hebe action-smut I'm assuming?
>>65297181yes but it was something.
>>65297195NTA but I know the brain processes the outside world via our nerves and other sensory organs. The brain also lacks pain receptors. So I don’t think it would feel different to the brain itself. If you were somehow still conscious after that and the brain attached your head would be in a ton of pain if not in shock.
>>65296642Ziggerified thinkers ITT (like the fag claiming the "mysterious snipers" were Western glownigs and the sniper fire source isn't a mystery at all in the first place) and elsewhere online have this retarded idea that Putin and Russia generally are mastermind manipulators who do not do illogical things. It's one of the worst false and objectively wrong assumptions about Russia because the people who think "why would they do that, it makes no sense!" are so attached to the idea of logical Russia that they vehemently protect that view even when undeniable evidence of Russia + Putin being fucking retarded chimps emerges.
>>65296388what? its exactly the same>invasion had actual potential benefits for Russia. *IF* Russia had managed to take Kyiv>shooting protesters and police had potential benifits for Russia, if killing protesters and police helped intimidate and disperse them>>65296259you seem to be ignoring the disconect between russian glowies attempting to intervene and suppress the protests, and the Ukranian military that decided it'd rather not massacre its own civilians
>>65296235>hurr-durr what's the benefit for us to do so, it was definitely khokholsThat's literally no u!!!! though.Because proving either side's words mean discrediting the other side on the international stage. But thanks for your hard efforts anon. When someone posts about US snipers or anything similar, people like you appear effort posting dozens of threads spewing nonsense highly aggressively. So you are very convincing thanks.
>>65296478>Wondering if there's a smoking gun on the glowies claim tho.There isn't because it's a lie peddled by Russians. Same as "the passenger plane was shot down by Ukrainian SU-24". Same as "Ukrainians did Bucha". Same as "Ukrop biolabs owned by Biden". It's another firehose of falsehood lie blasted to Western media sphere in order to confuse and disorient.
>>65296478Ah yes, Ukrainians can't do anything on their own. They're just mind controlled meat automatons who couldn't possibly oust a retarded Putin's cocksucker from office by themselves. It had to be CIA and jewish space lasers. Kill yourself.
>>65296160>>65296152>>65296169I'm certain there were a few full glowniggers from Murica hanging around. But usually these days America just funds people to do shit. Some of this would have been funding libtard crap nobody likes, others might have been funding anybody to counter Russian actions be they disgruntled military, criminals, or just locals with a bone to pick. Russia is the party more likely to have their own glowniggers acting on the ground, especially since it wouldn't be hard for them to blend in. There is no way to know.>>65296277It also needs to be said that Russia's entire oil and gas industry which it relied on for general GDP shit, determine political power internally by handing out directorships in various state owned or affiliated corporations within the industry, and exact political control over Europe was built almost entirely by American corporations particularly Schlumberger and Haliburton. And what wasn't built by them was built by American engineers and geologists working by commission or as sub-contractors, myself included. Russia had decades to poach talent or outright engage in the sort of industrial espionage the USSR had been famous for(film cameras most famously). But instead they got drunk. They could have used that expertise they never cultivated to develop their bordering satrapies which would both win them over and ensure they had total control over their shit within reason. The US does this all the time from Japan in the 50s to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait today. Instead Russia got drunk. They could have built up an alliance of dependencies, did the usual slavic corruption for more money because there is just plain more money to steal, and plugged any holes with "muh motherland, muh trad orthodoxy, muh not globohomo, muh don't like fags" to ensure that people would think that even if they weren't as wealthy as they could be at least they weren't being inundated with shitskins and homo propaganda. Instead Russia got drunk.
>>65296925>you will just see major western cities burned away.Don't threaten me with a good time.
>>65295543Why can't any of these be started by an incel who actually has nothing to lose?
I just got confirmation on Telegram that they don't want to antagonize the Kremlin and are now following orders, you can close the thread.
>>65297271yes i too hope for the escalation. nuclear war would be the best thing to ever happen to north hemisphere. would save us from AGI and allow cooler heads to exterminate the kikes and restore actual white civilization.
>>65295615How are they supposed to form supply lines for their vaunted Kyiv assault? Airdrops?
>>65295782If at the end of this clown show it means a Russia and a Ukraine in the west, I would find it completely acceptable.
>NOOOK>I WANT NOOOK WAR>BASED HELLFIRE FUCK NIGGERS AMIRITE FELLOW 4CHANNERS>Also Russians had nothing to do with the /k/lankening :^) It was the evil CIA western globohomo biden crime family and eruopean libtard homos :^)Every time.
>>65297276Firstly, what is a joke nigger? Secondly, TND and TJKD would absolutely be worth it.
>>65297284It's really transparent when you first learn to see it, ain't it
>>65297286i am not joking. i hope for a nuclear exchange which destroys major population centers in america, europe and china. and russia, to the extent there are population centers in russia. brown would starve and have permanent civil war afterwards, and europeans could start to heal.
>>65297289You do know that Russia stamps out white nationalism and antisemitism along with anything they think might threaten state power right? Also half the oligarchs are Jewish and likely to get vaporized in a strategic exchange. That is assuming the Russian missiles aren't filled with colored water, who am I kidding the Ruskies would never bother to color the water.
>>65296200Nigger, what incentive would the zigger government have to escalate protests against its own puppet? Are you retarded?
>>65297045>There were no Snipers you retardThey might have been. Talk of FSB snipers doing support for the incumbent regime was a thing even during 2004 protests. Back then I personally assumed that was propaganda. Oh boy how naive I was. However a short lookup shows that FSB snipers are a basic bitch used by russians during any such events, even way less serious events. And any allied/puppet regime also has FSB and other "advisers" working to prop it up. I remember back in the day (after 2014 events) finding photos of RU riot police and other subhumans operating in the crowds in Ukrainian uniforms. Imagine basic bitch photos of "Ukrainian police" beating up protestors with closeups of their faces. And then you find personal social media photos of the guy in question and he's actually RU riot police.t. personally participated in events
>>65297294>You do know that Russia stamps out white nationalism and antisemitism along with anything they think might threaten state power right?Ah yes, "it's illegal in Russia so they they would not do it:^)". Just like assassinations, right?Except they don't do that when it's a state funded FSB/Prigozhin operation to penetrate, create, and co-opt online white nationalist groups in Western online sphere, of course.
>>65297284Yeah and the dumb newfags don't even realize how obvious they are. Really wish we could go back to the times of clankening. Now every board is infested with poltards to some degree.
>>65297269Everybody has glowniggers everywhere, that's just how that world works. Shooting into a riot and hoping that the leadership that just banned protesting flees the country instead of going full Black September or even Tienanmen is asinine in the extreme and requires a lot of conclusions-first interpretations of the glow world to even begin making sense.
>>65295802>(I think US glownigger assets, sue me)You're a stupid faggot.
>>65296135They're not worth remembering. And that video you fags like to post was faked, someone threw a grenade behind a building. You're on /k/, lots of people know what a grenade sounds like.
>>65297301BECAUSE RUSSIANS ARE FUCKING RETARDED CHIMPANZEES WHO THINK BRUTAL REPRESSION IS THE BEST TOOL FOR EVERYTHING.Stop thinking that Russia, the FSB, Putin or anyone else in Russia are logical, cold calculators. They're retarded, illogical mutts. They're not normal. They don't think like a westerner, and they will never adhere to your own concept of "cui bono?" If Russian decision makers were logical, they would not have invaded in 2022.
>>65296080>They only galvanized the situation, destabilizing it to the West's benefit.Because the Russians are perfect and never make mistakes and would never intervene thuggishly to turn a situation to their advantage only to see it blow up in their faces. There was no 3 day SMO to take Kyiv.You are either the stupidest faggot ever or the most dishonest one.
>>65296820In that salo movie the libertines have a debate after which they conclude that the act of the sodomite is second only to that of the murderer in being the most heinous and life-debying, with the added benefit that you can repeat it as much as you want while you can only kill your victim once
>>65297211Correct, but I'd also like to expand on the following:>illogical It is considered illogical for normal common sense of westernized people, but it actually is completely logical from the russian point of view. This is common mistake westerners do when they cover russia and try to think about their actions and such. Someone called it "reverse lookism" and it's actually a great point, which basically highlights that a western mind sees russia and russians and generally sees "white people" and "europeans", assuming that "they're just like us" and thus projecting their values, history, culture, society and way of thinking and operating onto them. Meanwhile in reality russians have almost nothing to do with the common european culture and such outside some skin deep level things, as well as propaganda and cargo cult specifically designed to dupe naive retards. Their society is way more asiatic (in a bad way) and churkified. As the famous Japanese Wisdom Poster once said: "russians are black, just wrong color by accident". That why russia and russian actions and way of thinking looks as "illogical" to westerners, because they are trying to gauge it using a western/civilized framework. If you close your eyes and throw away your preconceived notions about "russians are white, russia is europe" and acknowledge that russians are the a mongol empire rape baby tyrannical neo-fuedal subhuman face culture ooga booga clusterfuck of an asiatic churka empire then things start to suddenly make sense.
>>65297291>Le both sides amirite fellow /k/ommandos?
>>65296925>NOOOK NOOOOKBitch I'll tell you what happens when Russia tries ook ook nook. Most of them don't work, a few fizzle and scatter radioactive shit randomly ac ross their flightpaths and one or two European/American cities get smeared.And then the West declares an exterminatus on Russia.
>>65297334lmfao, the jig was up so now he went fully mask offholy shit what a faggot
>>65297334Putin would like to remind you that antisemitism is only performed by the most lowly of people. He is jewish himself, after all.
>>65297309What are you dumb? I'm pointing out that as a genocidal white nationalist I have zero sympathy for Russia. Russia just stirs the pot in other nations because they are a metropole based political system with history of civil wars and thus think that civil wars in other nations would be as painful as their's was for them. In reality their propaganda is shit and a civil war in the US should be the last thing they want now that they've revealed themselves to be weak. Once they might have been permitted some sphere of influence but no hypothetical racist American Empire would have any reason to give them the time of day now.
>>65297340Ok, Vadim McDonalds, the totally white nationalist evangelical from Texas oblast
>thread laughing at vatniks>"Both sides b-b-bad">"L-lets talk about w-western culture war">Eventually, after he starts seething, he immediately goes on a bitter anti-zelensky tirade for no fucking reason kek.Do you simply spend all day on /k/ jumping between seething and being laughed at in /meg/ and then doing the same thing in any SMO thread?
>>65297269>They could have used that expertise they never cultivated to developThey could not. The underlying structure of power in a criminal cartel like neu-fuedal spook based autocracy is that it can't do complex and long economic value chains with long periods of maturing to generate value, since those require multiple smart and competent people to have freedom to operate and use the fruits of their labor and a stable system with laws working and such. This is antithetical to the whole system and the people running it. That's why something like a mexican cartel can do drugs or even something like avocado farming: very simple production chain, very fast turnaround, significant profit margin. And resource extraction is the same thing in many ways. That's why other sectors of the economy and business will inevitably die off or exist as propaganda show pieces on state subsidy. It's not even the Dutch disease being the main issue. How can you logically as a russian businessman invest in let's say car manufacturing if it will require say $10 billion of investment and will start giving profits only 5+ years from now, with it recouping the investment at least 10+ years from now and so on? You can't, because you can't be certain that your business won't either get fucked over by sanctions from yet another regime ooga booga shitfest, you can't be certain the regime won't do some weird shit that would fuck over things internally such as starting a war and sucking up all the cheap labor you've relied on into the army for shits and giggles and making loans too expensive for business, you also can't be certain that your business won't be taken away from your outright. And that's on top of all the other business and operating issues of working inside russia. And even if a successful private company somehow gets created in russia, it will in fact be taken away from under your control at some point, just because the regime sees any independent wealth generation as dangerous
>>65297334>le both sides>achktually le ukraine badIM GONNA NEUTROUALLLL
>>65297334>>65297326>cabal of faggot jews led by a jew>cabal of faggots, only half of whom are jewishThe real discrepancy is that even if both governments were purged Ukraine is probably the only one of the two which could potentially become less difunctional. They are slavs so lets not ask for miracles here. Also as the topic of this tread intimates the gas station with a state is running out of gas for civvies. see >>65297269 Russia could have stolen American know-how and built its own petroleum industry which it could maintain with domestic knowledge and component parts. But instead Russia got drunk. Russia could have recognized the same widely discussed deficiencies that other parties saw during its ventures in ossetia and crimea, but instead Russia got drunk. Russia could have cultivated an proper sphere of influence which the overwhelming beneficial to Russian state and corporate interests at least offered the illusion of prosperity to those under its umbrella. But instead Russia got drunk. And here we are.
>>65297334>jew clown faggot for a presidentSHELOMOV
>>65297343Are you stoned, I've been shitting on Russia this entire time. Even a month or so ago I would have said stalemate was perpetual but if the Ruskies keep fucking up they are going to lose, and lose big. This was their war to lose, all they had to do was not be drunk for 4 months, one to prepare and 3 to execute an invasion of a 4th rate power on their border. But then Russia got drunk.
>>65297353>SHELOMOVMeans helmet. : )
>>65297361Ukraine is one of the world's military and is an industrialised state, it is also backed by arms shipment from the entirety of the West.Eliminating it without having the same rules of engagement the mutts had in lraq (carpet bomb everything that remotely resembles a threat) was never going to be easy.For comparison sake, America lost to cave dwelling goat herders in Afghanistan, who were supported by nobody.
OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>65296571Me too anon, that was an amazing illustration.
>>65297366>world's militaryWorld's largest militaries*
>>65296483>Poor bastards probably got atomized, that was a direct hit.Only by a sneed to the roof, there's a hole in the roof and anyone under it might have gotten bonked by falling concrete which could be bad.Otherwise they should be fine.I think the concrete roof should have absorbed enough of the blastwave not to liquefy the organs of people in the water.
Ziggers will never live down the fact that ukies not only elected a comic as their president on their own volition, but that comic utterly BTFO'd their hot shit KGB autocratBetter not even mention that zigger side was at least three times more jewish since forever, or you'll get a whole catalog worth of BBC spam
>>65297362Sure it does
>>65296711>Somehow, I suspect the problem was less the "raping a family" part, and more about filming it.And leaving witnesses to report it to Ukrainian authorities; now they need to throw him under the bus, even though obedient and semi-competent officers are hard to find.You can imagine their frustration.
Speaking of NAFO, they've switched to active warfare and are now bamboozling ziggers by making them waste what little fuel they have driving to empty gas stations
>>65297351>>65297334>/pol/tard tries to fit in
>>65297380>>65297378>1 minute apartvery organic, cumrag
>>65296948>My money is on nothingSo you're who >>65296872 is betting against?Because if not, there's someone that will literally take that bet from you.
>>65297326Eh, I'll go to bat for him a bit, daring to assume that >>65297334 is either bait or a different anon (or both). There's essentially two sides to the current arrangement. On the one side, there is the general collective commitment among white people to not go to war with each other, because those wars get astoundingly fucking messy. This is coupled with white peoples' mutually beneficial arrangement with the assorted browns, where we are very good at growing food and building structures, and they are very good at having cheap mineral resources. The downside is basically that we did every domestic thing you would NOT do if you were expecting the population crunch that always comes with urbanization. That, in turn has led to an overlapping collection of people with the most to lose and people with very... optimistic worldviews doing increasingly insane things to keep the workforce up. A lot of people just have problems separating the baby and the bathwater.
>>65297366Ukraine's military in 2014 was utterly anemic. Russia failed to SEAD, DEAD, and cripple infrastructure not due to holding back but because it couldn't hit shit. Russia was stymied by a relative handful of manpads for 3 weeks until it got flooded with 90s era surplus. Poland by comparison would have eaten the Russikies alive in Ukraine's place. >For comparison sake, America lost to cave dwelling goat herders in Afghanistan, who were supported by nobody.That's a funny way to say crushed an enemy paramilitary with a few thousand Muricians coordinating and supporting another paramilitary than fucked around slaughtering them for decades years before fucking off. Waste of time and money, absolutely. But you cannot equate Russia's poor performance on the battlefield with Afghanistan. Hell when the USSR invaded Afghanistan they also suffered significant battlefield loses. The US lost what? One engagement when a bunch of super low-drag specops fags got ambushed by a DShK, which proves that firepower really is a deciding factor if you are willing and able to bring it to bear. The reason everybody chews you fags out for your analysis of 'Nam, Iraq, or Afghanistan isn't a matter of pride like it would be for ruskies to turdies. It is because you are technically incorrect, the worst kind of incorrect. Most Americans on their board want to be the "evil empire" both brics fags and libtards like to portray us as. We'd love to glass Israel into a radioactive pan of bedrock and then when there is a big rally in Palestine to celebrate glass that too. Just to really get the point across, "you've all be having it easy for years and you'll be begging for globohomo before we're through".
>>65297294>You do know that Russia stamps out white nationalism and antisemitism along with anything they think might threaten state power right? They push a lot of things in the west that they b& at home, that's how Active Measures work.>Also half the oligarchs are JewishThey pretend to be to get Israeli passports and sanctuary.
>>65297378>>65297380TZD
>>65297294>Also half the oligarchs are Jewish>halflol, lmaomore like 90%, with the rest being churkas or mutts
>>65297398I actually know more about what the Ruskies do than you, and yes what you said is exactly my point. The Russians project themselves as white nationalists, or commies, or whatever their target audience will buy. But they are just Russians in the end, ie drunken shitheads.Also those jews really are ethnic jews and Putin is friendly wihich Chabad and used to play mediator with Iran. They've been way to fucked for that since 2023 though. It's very hard to get anybody root for the "axis of resistance" when it is composed entirely of retarded shitskins and national alcoholics.
>>65295783The video starts slow, but is worth it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFyn_KSy80
>>65297413>gloves-off posting this late into the war
>>65297413TZD
>>65297414TZD
>>65297428nta, but then you're both retarded and wrong at the same time
>>65295525Guy who predicted how this war would turn out, also predicted mutiny what required actual western intervention to stop
Why does this zigger scream "joooz" so much?
>>65297440>mutinyAny two weeks now...
You guys reckon the next great Russian Famine starts this year or will it be next year entirely?
>>65297464I think putin will start selling land to china for food
>>65297387So how does this work?Nafo tags some gas stations as "Has 95: YES", russians drive there with little benzin they have, form special congo line and get fucked when they realize its empty?Sounds fucking hilarious.
>>65297464Depends on how much worse things will get.We're on day 7 of Ukraine's 40-day operation.Russia is hastily arranging fuel imports but not really doing anything to stop the attacks. It seems they will crumble trying to downplay everything that is happening. A more honest society would be more resilient.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-soldiers-losses-ukraine-frontline-drone-attack-b3006348.html
>>65296110They did that in Romania too. Dozens if not hujdreds were killed by snipers.I'm not saying i know for sure who was behing them or who gave the orders - since the romanian revolution was also a coup. A revolution can be two things at the same time, both being true.This anon is right >>65296137These tactics might work on people who value their own lives way too much, but not on a starved and denoralized population.
>>65297464You can just buy food you knowWorst case scenario america saves russia yet again. Trump legs ftw
>>65297493That was true thou, after initial invasion failed russian forces crumbled which resulted in gigantic Ukrainian land gains. Until russia forced mobilization.
>>65296156After WWI it was the returning soldiers, they're always a flashpoint of collapse there.
>>65297493>runs out of fuel and gets stuck in a 40km long convoy, then proceeds to have to give up an entire axis of attack and give up its original objectiveshuh. perhaps they had a point.
>>65297493remind me what happened to the majority of russian gains, again? oh, right. they lost them and their soldiers got overran or abadoned all their equipment and ran.1st guards tank army, elite of the elite, all ran away. remember that?
>>65297493>b-but muh strawmanrunning out =/= having ran out zigger, we've talked about this.when ivan loses 10 tanks a day and he only has 50 tanks and isn't building new ones, at his current rate he is running out.if he then starts sending only 2 tanks a day into the field (reducing combat effectiveness because you're not using as much) ivan is going to run out slower.russia is going to walk back logistical requirements making their attacks even more impotent, or they're going to further cannibalise their civilian economy by directing everything they have left towards army logistics, further ruining their economy, dilemma with no good solution.you want to act like you live in fantasy world and economies actually don't exist actually, and fuel isn't actually needed actually, that's not how it works.
>>65297493And then they retreated from the north because they couldn't keep supplied. The article was right. You're just a retard
>>65297493>nafotwitter tourist, i understand that they bullied you over in twitter, but that doesn't mean you're welcome on 4chan.
Feels like the russian shill farms got an infusion of money and we're being brigaded again
>>65297502Seems like the best course of action is making sure no one returns
>>65296189You dumb fuck "roll in the tanks" unless you're talking about invasion/counter invasion ALWAYS means APC/IFV versus protester. Just because the chinks Pee-On-A-Man Square had the icon image doesn't mean that's the vast majority of cases.>you get tanks and artilleryyou get od green non civilian vehicles, stop
>>65296197>IFV's don't count as armored vehiclesthey count as lightly armored vehicles, not fucking tanks, you goddamn retard. doubling down on this is embarrassing.
>>65297493This may be the most intelligent shill available. >I'll store $10 in my basement that I can never access, I'll never 'run out' of money!I'll hold fast that the Russian military will not, at large, rebel.The Russian does not grasp that they can turn weapons against superiors, with very few exceptions. Their culture is (probably) alien to yours. Their society do not value individuality - it is CULTURALLY suppressed. The Russian will kneel to suck, or open his ass for punishment by his superiors: without thought of retaliation.Nor will any onlookers. Their collectivist culture is reinforced by this, and their ass is next in line if they stand out KNOWING no one will join their rebellious nature. Actions that become national headlines of misconduct in a armed force of a different country's from Russia, is their best everyday. The Russian has no love or yearning for freedom. "If only the Tsar knew" is at best a swapping who warms the ruling seat over the mongol horde rape-babies.
>>65297515Nah it's just /pol/ is big mad that NAFO racked up another scalp. "Big Serge" got doxxed and it turns out he's the ultimate basedboy and he lives off his wife's salary.Relevant to /k/ because he almost certainly posts here and his twitter comments get routinely posted.He's like the 5th or 6th big name twitter commentator NAFO has outed, each more pathetic than the last.
>>65297515>russian shill farmAll it takes is anon to successfully derail a thread and male it reach the bump limit because you fags can't help yourself and must give them all the yousYesterday it was the "a good soldiers is supposed to just obey and march into certain death" faggot, today he dusted off the ol reliable "klankening was a cia psyop and attempt at color revolution"
>>65297528/pol/turd if they are white, they are always like this
>>65296273>I'm going to try to remain as unbiased as possible.I'd use that fuckin braind for a handle and give her anal no doctor could provide aftercare for.She'll shit toroidal for life.
>>65295802>when mysterious snipers (I think US glownigger assets, sue me)that was john smith with his cia teamthe same mysterious sniper guy who made the shots in 1993 moscow, 2011 syria ,2014 kiev, 2020 belarus and much more.somehow the dude always appears when protests turn violent and armed forces are already there to meet protestors in the russiosphere.
>>65297542>you have the same exact thing happening in, say, britain, thoughGreat Britain started a war of conquest against its neighbor and got brutalized, losing millions of men and is facing a fuel crisis and famine?Wow, I should read more of your news!
>Zig gets butthurt>Tries to derail thread ranting about BritainEvery time.
>>65296261"I can't believe I didn't call in today."
>>65297561We have a board for that. Use it.
>>65297301To justify the war? Are you retarded? Also, no zigger would ever pass an opportunity to shoot people, especially if they are unarmed
>>65297558Russia is a tale of what happens when everything sucks so much, all the good men either drink themselves to death, or leave
>>65297378
>>65297378Google translate is free, go to any russian place online and see
>>65296160you're trying sooooo hard to force this western sniper narrative lmao.
>>65297583One is a war. The other is not. Come back when that changes, and I'll have plenty to say.
>>65296831shockwaves don't couple well between media with different densities/stiffness. A large amount of the shockwave's energy would get reflected off the surface
>>652973721986: FUCKING CREST WATER FUCKING NOT COOL REACTOR BLYAT2026: FUCK CREST WATER!It was a very delayed reaction, they're kinda slow.
>>65297413Imagine that, you give alpha males rip its until their knees explode then tell them they can't solve their problems with a gun anymore, ignore their spiralling alcoholism, turn them out, see what happens!Anon, every military ever...
>>65296570That's kind of the issue. There's a reason why the Russians stopped doing censuses and have not updated their population statistics. If you look on the macro scale, the Russian population has been pretty much static for the last ten years or so, despite them having a very low fertility rate and being a post-apocalyptic society. They achieve this by importing in migrants by the millions and making citizenship very, very easy to acquire, so that they can say that they are all Russians for the purpose of statistics; hence why the Russians themselves need a specific word to distinguish between the two, Russkiy for real Russians and Rossiyane, which are people who just live in Russia.In reality, the population of actual Russians is probably half of the official population at most, most of them are going to be old due to their fucked up demographics after tanking four apocalypses in a single century, females make up a higher percentage of that population than males do, due to them having a higher mortality rate, so, in the best case scenario, you've got maybe 20-25 million usable dudes.The biggest problem facing the Russians in the next decade or so is that there won't be enough Russians in positions of power to maintain Russian sovereignty over there own country once all of the old buggers die off, so they'll become a powerless minority within their own country. But in regards to the current war, when the very backbone of your entire industry is loyal to their paycheck and not to you, it really doesn't matter how much shit the natives can put up with if the foreigners actually running the country just decide that life is better back home and leave.
>>65296571Is it the same book that this came from?
>>65297378>>65297380>n-nooooo, don't look at the waiting lines, don't look at the destroyed infrastructure!>j-jewess>b-but putin is a cool jew don't make fun of him!lol, mindfucked ziggerslave.
>>65297387honestly, good on them.they might be fucking obnoxious culture war faggots, but some of their antics lead to more TZD so i'll allow it.
>>65296853I looked up that quote and apparently the original was much milder, like "get used to the idea that the days of cheap plentiful gas are over".
>>65297414>the leftist said, as he continued doing leftist things and shilling for a leftist regimeyou are leftist because of your extremely slave-like servility towards authority, watching you try to larp as an american rightwinger is hilarious, nobody's buying it.>n-nafothe people who traumatized you so badly are not on this website lol, go back to twitter tourist.
>>65296925>means nooks fly.
>>65296981The Polish-British Alliance of Causing Vatnik Butthurt Just By Existing
>>65297225>Ukrainians can't do anything on their own. They're just mind controlled meat automatons who couldn't possibly oust a retarded Putin's cocksucker from office by themselves.Russian accusations something something
>>65296981Before the Great Deluge and the rendering apart of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the history of Poland and Russia is that Russia would win a few battles against the steppe tribes on their eastern fringes, start to look into westward expansion and then the Poles would come out with the steel chair and batter them back down again.It was one of these events that led to Ivan the Terrible throwing a hissy fit and creating the Oprichnina where he divided the country into two with him getting one half and the boyars getting the other, which led to the mass migration of peasants when the exiled boyars took them with them and the creation of the first political police in Russia, the Oprichniki. It only came to an end when the Crimean Tartars burned down Moscow and Ivan realised that a police force makes a shitty standing army against outside threats.
>>65296872They are relying a lot on the competence of random Russians to pull off a complex operation under difficult circumstances. Unless of course it's Putin's doctor and the results of his most recent medical check-up have come through.
>>65297637but wouldn't a nuclear winter destroy funposting too?
>>65297414I don't listen to literal bitches assgaped by cartoon fag dogs.
>>65297387It's kind of embarrassing we didn't think of this to be honest, especially when we were the ones getting people to microwave their Iphones back in the day. Do you think we could start diverting random people into military fuel depots because technically people can in fact get fuel there and therefore it's a gas station?
>>65297674Correct.
>>65297499>You can just buy food you knowWith what? It's not like anyone's gonna accept rubles. I mean, they'd gladly accept your gold reserve at shit-tier rates, but I'm not sure it's a good thing for what's left of the Russian economy.
>>65297685I don't get it, Anon. We all know that you are just pretending, and you know that we all know, and we all know that aswell. Why bother keeping up this charade? Is it THAT boring at work?
>>65297464Probably next year, as they'll need to run out of whatever food stores they currently have. It'll be in the cities first, where the Russians will have to battle packs of starving wild dogs once they've run out of scraps to pacify them. The people in the rural areas can forage and have their dachas with vegetable gardens, so they'll be ok until roving gangs of former city dwellers realise they have food and launch medieval-style bandit raids to steal that off of them. Truly, the tail end of next year will be fun times for all the family.
>>65297687He has posting quotas to meet.
>>65297644Same better also staked $61,000 that Ukraine would retake Crimea by 2026 too. Maybe it's just optimism, or an intent to make a self-fulfilling prophecy by creating a highly indirect incentive structure for Putin to die, but after some of the other Polymarket shenanigans I feel like it's really worth paying at least a little attention to. The markets gave Ukraine a 12% chance to retake Crimea this year, do we think that's fair?
>>65297666HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!Look up what soldiers were like coming home from the roman conquest legions, and they were lauded heroes not ":danks purr yer servisss:".The average freshly aged out ex legion rabble was a drunk ptsd asshole. Inter-family murdering, domestic violence machine fucking mil-nigger. Who did in fact do lots of suicide.
>>65297666>military suicide rate stops being substantially below military-age average for first time since Vietnam>at a time when overall suicide rate is also rising>brown people start spouting this horseshitIt's all so tiresome.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178123001336
>>65297674Pre-war russia had roughly 15,000 large fuel storage tanks, buildings not plastic cisterns you put on a truck. ROUGHLY.Average refinery has like 20 with all the mid stage dump tanks and everything.Average depot MAYBE 100.These are rough as fuck.OSINT seems to say the top 15% by number and the capacity of about 67% by weight.This is pretty much all the fuel in anything bigger than some Zil tank truck that requires a foundation pad.Are they still the world's largest anything?
>>65297515If Lahtka fails to prove that they are deserving of limited fuel and electricity supply, then the entire office gets v&d and sent to the front. He is shit-posting for his very life right now.
>>65297714Math taxed my mental ram apparently and I forgot how to type...anyway that top % and capacity % is what got blown up, up to this morning. I need more coffee.
>>65297669The truth hurts, I know. Do not worry brother, for although your bitter heart and rotten anger means you can never leave the abyss, I will still come and visit you to remind you that light does still exist and that there is hope for a better life, even for someone as lost as you.
>>65297695Crimea I could see, as it would be sensible from a military standpoint to abandon it at this point because the Russian supply situation just cannot handle a full front war and an occupation campaign at this point. Politically, it would be disastrous, but if they want to maintain any serious presence across the entire front, something will need to be sacrificed and Crimea is the option that makes the most sense.I also suppose it depends on how you define "ousted" as Russian elections are in September and if Putin decides not to run as president, but as a deputy or cabinet minister, I suppose that also kinda counts for betting purposes. If they go ahead with mobilisation in October, I could see Putin wanting an expendable full guy to take the brunt of that for him and so he can technically be out of power when that shitshow gets added to the history books.
>>65296080>you don't understand, the nation who fucked up so bad they've been stuck in a multiyear war couldn't have possible fucked up trying to suppress a protest
>>65297758Not just a multi-year war but a modern trench war that has now lasted longer than WW1, that they were convinced would be a quick in-and-out blitzkrieg and then power consolidation/suppression/coin for their new puppet.
>>65295794>We really don't and it pisses me off when anons run on hopium. I'd love to see some concrete sources for why Pringles stopped once he'd popped but I suspect we never will.I'm willing to bet he found out that that the gloves were really were already off and the real army wasn't just waiting around with 1 million armatas and Su-57s ready to win the war and it broke him.
