Balls to the wall edition.45 Auto, 230 grain plated, 4.6 grains of Titegroup. Winchester LPPs.Expanding the case mouths now. Colloquially referred to and my preferred term, bellmouthing.
>>65296605Might want to ditch the primers. Winchester are shit and have caused more problems than any other brand I've used.
>45 anon is still hereYou ever get around to loading those 300 grainers anon?
>>65296633>Winchester are shit and have caused more problems than any other brand I've usedTheir 9mm factory fails to extract in my dad's P229 Legion every few rounds. You're not wrong about Winchester being low quality these days. I've had 100% success with their primers and powder. But, I throw more of their cases in the scrap brass bucket because they don't fit my shell holder...Pic unrelated
>>65296650>300 grainersNever bought em. I've done 250s and 260s in Super. I want to try 275s in Super, but I have 800+ 250gr Nosler JHPs and intend on getting more plated 250grs from whoever sells them in the future for Supers.
>>65296655The shorter bullets feed in all 3 of mine for Super versus the long ones only feed in one chamber. Saves me on powder lol. No 100% flat primers yet. 7.1grs of Longshot max. Estimated 900fps out of my 4" M&P w/ a DPM spring in it.
>/rg/ is back upnature is healingbut while i dont have any updates for any of my reloading projects ill still try to help some niggas out by saying republic ammunition is currently offering 0$ hazmat now through the 7th
>>65296837I did some .38s and .357s a few days agoLight loads. Didn't post because I wanted to see if anyone else would so a reloading thread.
>>65296974+10
>>65296837don't be fooled, nature isn't healing, the website continues to die and /k/ continues to be a current thing board and this thread likely won't last longanyway, bump
>>65298036Have you done any reloading, anon?
Any advice on a good starting point to get into loading 12 gauge slugs and buckshot? I reload a lot of big bore stuff but haven’t had a reason to reload 12 gauge before today since I only had a single barrel trap gun and birdshot was dirt cheap…. However I lucked out into a great deal on a dp-12 and now I’m gonna have to feed it….
I've been waiting to test some nuclear .308 loads until my receiver comes back from the smith. It's been 18 weeks now, but they definitrly forgot about it and me bugging them to finish it likely kicked their ass in gear, so hopefully soon
>>65300117Find load data. A physical book is best. Then go back after knowing what you want to shoot and buy your respective primers, powder, wads, and shot. With slugs, a roll crimper is great
Anon who made a separate thread without checking the catalogue here, sorry about that.>Yes, but you have to be extremely fucking careful. Black powder is explosive and goes off very easily, so unless you enjoy blowing up you have to be very careful using anything made of steel around it. Powder measures intended for black powder aren't made of brass for "ye olde tyme looke", they're made of brass for safety.Okay, thank you, that makes sense. Can one use the brass powder measures for smokeless as well or is it mandatory to separate brass for black and steel for smokeless?
>>65296974Can you recommend a low flash powder?
My first .45acp rounds, and first reloads ever.Worked great.
>>65302861You won't know it worked "great" until you come back from the range with all your fingers...
>>65302867Already did, 25 yards.
>>65302888well congrats then anon, checked
>>65302108>low flash powderI've seen no flash with my Long Shot and Autocomp .45 Super loads, but that's daytime, outdoor shooting. On the opposite side I've seen flash with 231 indoors with standard pressure .45s and 200gr SWCs.296 in .357s flash great in my 4" GP100.
>>65302861>>65302888
Anyone have any suggestions on ballistics literature? A little more in-depth than your standard reloading manuals and SAAMI standards.
>>65303109Carlucci
>>65296837Same, ive been channeling funds and energies elsewhere. Need to get an annealing method sorted out, and resupply on '06.>>65298036/k/s been cancer for a while, but /rg/ still kicking is a little bit of chemo. Post your setup, with hand/tits, and a timestamp so we can laugh at you.
>>65303080I ask because I'm thinking about reloading SD ammo for my .38. My Underwood EDC ammo claims to be low flash but I've never shot it at night. Next time I'm camping in NF I'll pop off a few rounds down a valley at midnight.
>>65303109Pet loads by waters is great less for the load data and more to hear his methodology, Hatcher, Ackley, and Gibbs are similarly worth checking out since they detail the thought process and method of the authors even if new powder and processes have made some of their data less useful. I think it’s worth picking up a book or two on wildcatting just to better understand the whole process..
>>65305829Use GRT to work up load data that has a 100% burn rate out of your barrel length.
700 pieces of .45 Auto brass primed, blisterMore to go. I'll start wearing gloves next time I do more than a few
>>65307711What tool did you use? I use a Lee loader kit for small batches of 45 or 38 Special. Fun to play wack-a-mole.
anyone have any experience loading hunting ammo for 357?I just picked up a Henry carbine and starting to collect load data
>>65305347We should move to /diy/, the most comfy and boomer friendly board.
>>65308259Eeeeh, lets keep it here. Reloading is about as /k/ as most of these goons will get anyway. Besides, over there wed have a dedicated autist going>not smelting his own brass>not milling is own powder>not casting his own bulletsEvery few posts
>>65307902RCBS hand toolWorks 100% with large size primersSmall can occasionally flip
>Try reloading for the first time about 5 years ago. >Load about 100 9mm, 45 ACP, and .38 Special rounds each.>Bench needs to be disassembled due to family BS.>Equipment and reloads sit in storage for 5 years.>Finally get new bench set up a few weeks ago and rediscover my first reloads.>Decided to actually shoot them.All went well except that my minimum load 9mm didn't cycle the slide of my Star 30m well. The Ruger P85 ate them all no problem.With that victory I'm eager to get back in the reloading game, and my daughter wants to participate too.
>.356 142gr bulletWhat is it good for?
>>65309456.38 super?
>>65296837$0 hazmat? Is that a discount code that was emailed or something? I can't see any promotion on the site. Thanks for sharing the deal.
>>65310069assuming its still up until midnight, the email said its just automatically applied
>>65296605What's the best cheap electronic scale that can measure to 0.01 grains for precision rifle reloading? It doesn't need to have the reloading upsell that most of the reloading branded equipment have
I made and fired 11 .44 handloads which I now suspect to be proof load-tier hot by how hard they recoiled and put copper jacket around my forcing cone, as well as giving one cylinder a little hitch in the locking lug which disappeared after dry firing for some reason. But I'm not seeing any obvious damage to the gun or pressure signs on the cases. They were a little sticky coming out but did so with a quick tap on the ejector rod with no pain. The gun is going back to S&W and I'm disassembling the rest, but what precisely is causing such a low pressure estimate here? I don't think it's a compressed load and I saw 20 grains of No.7 in one of my reloading manuals. All I can think of is the bit of extra length on a Gold Dot massively spiking the pressure>y-Yes I am stupid and I'm not doing this again
When was the last time Accurate No. 5 was available?
>>65310875. Posted these in hg but it paged off…. So What gun were you shooting it out of? I run 240 gn semi wadcutters on 25 gns of h110 and get about 1400 fps from my 4 ish inch 44, but its a redhawk and frankly doesn’t give a shit about the abuse….Fwiw you have grt set for the cip standard for 44 mag.. if your in Europe then I believe your gun should have a cip proof stamp… which means it survived a proof load of at least 25% more pressure than the cip standard…. It probably felt spicy but the system likely was keeping you from being as tragically stupid as you think you might have been…. The trick btw is to shoot more till it doesn’t feel crazy, learn to love the kaboom…Also you have your barrel length at 4.5 inch, are you including the cylinder length for that? Or just using the barrrel length s/w gives? Because GRT subtracts the cartridge length from that number so you need to include the cylinder length… your probably getting a little bit better of a burn than it’s telling you….Answers anon, we are curious.
>>65311217S&W Model 69 Combat Magnum. 4.5" adds the cylinder
>>65311228Thanks. Your likely below what a proof load would have been. But it’s pretty easy to make a snubnose give you apocalyptic recoil…. Some of the 454 I load for that Alaskan sticks hard enough that it takes a few hits to the ejector rod to get the cases loose…
>>65311270Copper jacket got jammed between the top of the forcing cone and backstrap, and a cylinder hitches a bit, so I'm having it looked at to be safe
>>65311280From my experience that might be more from weak jackets than it being a proof load… I don’t have a ton of experience with gold dots, but I’ve definitely pushed some jacketed rounds too hard and had them ejecting slices of the jacket between the cylinder front and forcing cone.. looks like at 1300 fps estimated you were closer to the upper end of what those are meant for…. Looks like the 210 gn ones are intended for rifles and hold up better at faster velocities..
Healthy bump.Doing a pressure test soon for my 6.5prc. >145gr tipped gamechanger>h4831, 50 to 52gr>2 thou shoulder bump on 1x fired lapua brass>3 thou neck tension>all seated to 3.0445"Before we know it, it will be hunting season.
whats the best powder and bullet combo for 45 acp that gives huge muzzle blast and fireballs? i want something that looks like anons pissing hot 357 handloads. i dont care about perforamnce or anything i just want to look cool at the indoor range the hp38 and 230gr fmj isnt cutting it. i feel like everyone thinks im a cucked 9mm shooter when they walk by
>>65311217/hg/ doesn't care about revolvers or anything that isn't being heavily shilled on YT on in those Chinese girl cartoons.
>>65296974I'm strongly considering reloading some .38 Specials/.357 Magnum, so any advice would be appreciated. I was looking at the plated 158 grain bullets on Midway, but IDK if they are any good. I'm also not sure what powder to use. It looks like Accurate No. 5 is not only the best for accuracy, but it is also useful for dozens of other cartridges as well, but I can't find any. Do you know of another powder that is available and has those same qualities?
>>65312400>know of another powder that is available and has those same qualities?2400 but it's also out of stock. I've had good results accuracy wise with 158s under 6.5grs of Titegroup, but you won't take advantage of the true power of a .357. It's effectively a .38 +p++.I want some A#7 for my .45 Supers, might work in a .357. Haven't tried it yet.
>>65312400generally you will want 2 different powdes for 357 mag an 38. unless you dont care about really having 357 magnum power and just want to load hot 38 specials in a 357 case. if you are just beginning id get hp38/win231 because it can be used in basically every common handgun cartirdge to make a target load of some kind and its easy to measure. its perfect for 38 special and will do some mild 357 mag loads just fine and its great for 45 and 9mm
>>65311813>45 acp that gives huge muzzle blast and fireballs?See what 296 does in GRTDon't do compressed loadsSeat a 230gr at 1.260", see what the simulation does safelyIt's silly but I respect the fireball load. I like 296 in my 125gr .357s in a 4""Burns too slow for a .45" well yeah but you want fireballs. Just do it safely. Maybe try small pistol primer brass with magnum primers and a stronger recoil spring?Just goofing around, don't take my advice...Reload at your own peril, fren
>>65314176>hp38/win231Noted. I only have a 2" revolver right now, so spicy .357 is not really on the menu at the moment anyway. I do have guns in those other calibers and something I was thinking about was maybe even getting into .357 SIG reloading for comparison, but that's way down the line. I just have a lot of .38/.357 brass and noticed the plated projectiles were cheap, making reloading pretty attractive.
>>65314682yeah i love 296 in 357 magnum i want that same fireball and blast wave from my 1911. do you guys know if longshot is any good for that?
>>65315469yeah get yourself some hp38/win231 its the powder i first learned to reload with. its perfect for 38 specia and 45 acp and will do a ton of calibers just fine. works fine for 40, 9mm, 357. you wont get top 357 velocities with it but you still get deent power, i think it can push the 158 to like 1,100fps safely i forgot, check the manual. personally unless im hunting or its for self defense i like to load my 357 brass with +p 38 special loads anyway since its only paper youre shooting at. easier on the gun and good for long range sessions. if you want full magnum power loads get win296/h110 but theres no versatility with that, the lightest loads are still full case capacity and will push the 357 to like 1400 fps
>>65316326>know if longshot is any good for thatIt is not at least for outdoor, daytime shooting in both 9 and 6" barrels. Per GRT it has a 100% burn rate in even my 4" M&P for 8.6grs under a 230gr bullet. 10.1grs under a 185gr bullet is fun for Supers ;)
>>65316333>hp38/win231 its the powder i first learned to reload withNTA I'm >>65316341 but yeah me too!
>>65315469for cheap plated bullets look for berrys, xtreme, ranier. for fmj look at rockymountainreloading, zero bullets, or whoever has the best sale on hornadymidway had a nice sale on fmj 357 125gr and 158 projectiles a few months back for 6 cpr with free shipping but looks like theyre gone now. cast lead is usually teh cheapest and works great for 38 too but if plated is the same price i would opt for platedhttps://www.grafs.com/catalog/category/categoryId/555
>>65316341thats a bummer beacuse my manuals say it gives the best velocity in 45 too its showing like 1000 fps for 230gr fmj. id like to try some just for the performance factor
>>65315469the way reloading works is when you see really good deals stock up even if its something you dont use yet
>>65316345Everglades ammo too.>>65316348>my manuals say it gives the best velocity in 45 too its showing like 1000 fps for 230gr fmjCan you please post that page? I'm curious to see.
>>65316360oh sorry that was the 185 gr the 230 is 900fps max in the hodgdon manual
>>65316391>hodgdon manualOh yeah I have one of those, all good. Important manual to own since most powder avaliable out there these days is made by Hodgdon.
>>65316345Thanks. I'll keep that in mind and thanks for the link.
>>65316354That's kind of what I noticed. Its like a constant Obama/COVID shortage. It seems like it's a deliberate marketing strategy from the manufacturers. I'm just new to it and I don't want to spend $400 on powder that isn't good for what what I'm trying to load.
>>65316990i dont know about deliberate marketing but sometimes big contracts fall through or excess inventory gets slated in the warehouse for liquidation. like those sig vcrown 125gr 357 contract overrun projectiles on midway that they clearanced out for 4 or 5 cents a round. i stacked a 10% coupon plus their free shipping and i got a few thousand even though i dont shoot much 38 or 357. for just over a hundred bucks now im set for decades with that. right now you should stacking everything you can when you see good deals because this lull in prices wont last. this is like 2017 all over again except this time instead of future leftist antigun regimes to worry about theres also massive inflation in commodities so things like copper and lead and anything that requires energy inputs will go up in price bigly. you are still buying stuff right now that was fabricated at last years low prices but we got proxy wars breaking out all over with peer adversaries that will escalate to direct conflict in a couple years its already scheduled by the bankers. remember what happened to 7.62x39 prices when ukraine started and all that ammo got routed over there instead? powder prices have doubled since covid and will keep climbing. precursor faciliteis are being sabotaged and burned own limiting supply because youre in world war right now. stock up nigger!!!!!!!!
>>65316990>Its like a constant Obama/COVID shortageThat's 2026 for you
>>65317110I suppose that's good advice, but I'm pretty new, so IDK what a good deal necessarily looks like and I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do. I have guns in several calibers and a lot of range pickup brass, so I guess my options are open. I wish I had seen that V Crown deal, but I didn't even have a .357 diameter gun at the time. Hell, I don't have dies for it yet, either. I'll probably just bench race until I get impatient, but something I regret and learn from it, lol. I need to recover from a recent gun purchase anyway. Thanks for chatting and all the advice. I'll be a real boy one day.
>>65317110Oh, one more thinking. It looks like FTX bullets have slightly higher velocities in the manual. Is that because they are bonded?
>>65317899yeah youll get the hang of going rates of prices. cast lead is usually cheapest, followed by plated and poly coated, followed by FMJ, followed by specialty ballistic or hollow point projectiles. anything lesss than 8 cpr for 9mm or 357 FMJ is a good deal, anything less than 18 cpr for 45 acp is a good deal, etc. chekc some aggregate sites like wikiarms to get a feel from some of the bigger vendors on prices
>>65317916bonded wont affect velocity bonded is something more important for terminal effect when it hits the target, its just a way of chemically bonding the copper jacket to the lead core so they dont separate when they hit the target. like when you are hunting you dont want the bullet to break apart into smaller pieces because it loses its weight and momentum and wont go as deep in the animal. i dont know what load data you are looking at but the FTX is a hornady hollow poitn with a rubber insert to help expansion by not letting the hollow point get plugged before liquid can enter it and pressure it apart and also helps with teh ballistic coefficient during flight by making less drag so it goes faster and farther than an open hollow point without the cone rubber tip
>>65317916if its showing slightly higher velocities for the same weight and both are jacketed bullets with the same diameter then its probably more due to the better aerodyanmics althouth i dont think it would matter at muzzle velocity. more likely its just the authors of the manual did the test on a different day when temeprature and humidity was different. those velocities are just recordings of what they had that day, its not meant to be an exact replication of what you can do its just to give you the base reference point. the speed of bullets changes based on air density if you live in a differnt elevation or have different ambient temperatures your measurements will differ
>>65317916>>65317955velocities come down to a multitude of factors. the manuals list differnet bullets because theres differences in construction. different manufacturers have differnet shapes, compositions etc. the alloy of copper jacket in one might be harder or softer than some other maker. the manuals just list what the authors measured with those exact components. manauls are meant to be a point of reference but theres always going to be margin of error due to variations this is why they dont give you one recipe they give you a window which accomodates for variables. they provide a start load and max load. you always start with the starting load, its deliberately very light and safe. then you work your way up if you want to. this is why you never start with max loads. especially if you have different brands of components. but even same brands of components have variations from batch to batch or year to year. the starting loads are not a suggestion its where you SHOULD start especially if you are a beginner.
>>65317974>>65317916as a beginner you are also more suscetible to making mistakes which is why you should really heed the starting loads. they are forgiving of errors you might make like incorrect crimping or improper bullet seating depths which can make really make pressures spike. stick with the starting loads until you have figured things out and are confident in your abilities. too many idiots go straight to max without learning basic skills like how to crimp then roll crimp their shit so hard they blow up their gun
>>65311612Well i shot my pressure test loads. Only one that looks promising is 52gr as it only had <1" of verticle defflection, which i suspect to be a rear bag issue. Its also not as fast as i want it to be for a 6.5prc (around 2730fps) but all of my tikka rifles have has slow barrels for some reason.But factory precision hunter produced this for 5 shots.
>>65317930>>65317941>>65317955>>65317974>>65317984Thanks for all the information. I might be new to reloading, but I'm old enough to know when I don't know stuff. I'm just going to start out with some milk toast. 38 Special target loads and work up from there. Also, I apparently misremembered. It is the XTP bullets that have different velocities, not FTX. Now that I am home and have a hold of the book, it says that they are seated deeper because they are longer because of the hollow cavity and therefore have higher pressures. IDK why they didn't manipulate the charges to have a different pressure curve, but its like that throughout the book.
To whom it may concern, I'm trying to replicate the military load of 7.7 jap and here's a 25 shot string with velocities from my chrono I did two weeks ago in case anyone wants to try it out. Mind you I used an arisaka with a pistol scope in a scout configuration so you may not get point of aim/impact with the irons but I have another type 99 that's all stock to try this out when I reform more 7.7 brass.
>>65319578>I'm trying to replicate the military load of 7.7 jap Based.
>>65319578Based
>>65296605Gonna reload for my new (used) 2506 next weekend. Hasn't arrived yet but I'm excited to load up some 120gn interlocks for sub 100 yards (in the chamber) and 110eldx for up to 500
>>65307711Just toughen your hands up, in a few days that will be tougher than it ever was
>>65318501I was going to say that's an all right group but that's it what you were explaining. Tikkas have slow barrels due to their rifling style, but they're accurate and cheap so you win some and lose some. I'm a Ruger guy and if I get MOA I need to check everything because something obviously went wrong to make them so tight
>>65319237yeah projectiles with different shapes will have different seating depths and that affects pressure which is why you cant just copy loads by weight from bullet to bullet. a 158 gr bullet from one company design is not the same as another one with a cannelure higher up. sounds like youre smart enough to follow instructions and not just wing it. remmeber this is shit with 20,000+ PSI right in your hands you dont just say anything goes and throw shit in the casing if you want to keep your fingers and hands intact. treat it with respect because it can be very dangerous if you fuck up. i recommend loearning off a friend or someone with a proven track record if you can. try shadowing someone whos been doing it a while and youll pick up the hundreds of little tips in a few hours that will save you hundreds of hours of trial and error learning through mistakes. theres some good youtube channels on reloading but with the way youtube censors anything freedom related a lot of them are restricted in what they can teach now and lots of old vids get pulled down. just respect the danger and follow instructions and youll do alright. its a rewarding hobby but its only for people like you who are responsible enough to research and be cautious. the idiots who just think they know everything atter watching some other idiot do a youtube 20 second short clip sequence of loading a bullet are the ones who post their mangled guns and bloody fingers on redit
>>65319969I'm really interested in velocity since it's key to penetration and I'm wondering why I can't chuck a shorter bullet just as fast by seating it deeper.That's all strictly academic at this point, but I'm eager to learn. I guess I need to dust off my old math books (wolfam alpha) and read more about pressure curves.I see a 6" GP100 in my future. Any other recommendations for an over built .357 revolver?
>>65319578looks like 43 is the magic number
>>65319578where are you finding 4895 though the only IMR powder i ever see is 3031 this is going on 3 years now im convined thats all they make now
>>65320142velocity is one part of the equation but bullet weight and design factor heavily. you can have extremely high velocities but if your projectile just shatters into a thousand pieces in the first inch of a target you dont get any penetration. the ruger is probably one of the toughest 357 revolvers you can get, the modern colt python is pretty tough too. so is the modern s&w N frame, those are the only 3 i would consider. if you want to go hot magnum loads. if you go vintage older production you will need to research the specific generations because they generally werent built for the newere 125 grain hot magnum loadings the k frames were notorious for cracking and even the L and N frames had their issues during certian versions. i would get at least a 6" barrel for sure if you want to really take advantage of the cartridge. 357 really starts making exponential velocity gains per barrel inch when you get over 4". it just depends what you want to do with it. i like having both a 4" and 6" for different uses. i use my 6" the most. i love the cartridge and i love how versatile it is . its very nice to be able to put some puffball 38 loads when you want to teach a beginner or use 357 mag 1500fps screamers for a home defense gun, or just run cheap factory winchester 38 white box for target plinking at the range. although i dont buy any factory ammo anymore i load all my 38 and 357. its a pretty easy cartidge to load for. theres just something special about the feeling and mechanics of revolvers for me
>>65320142You'll get more pressure with a heavier bullet, you can push it just as fast you just might get catastrophic pressure spikes in the process
>>65320171They still make it, it just goes to Ukraine
>>65320213I'm just trying to work my way through the survivability onion. >>65320239That's why I'm interested in the GP100. It looks like it might be time to relearn calculus.
>>65319237Upload 2506 if you get a moment, thanks if the thread 404s before I can reply
>>65319967Yeah that picture i posted was the factory 143gr precision hunter....this picture is the 145gr sierra tipped game changer. I know i didnt have a proper rear rest, hence the vertical string. The precision hunter group i had a proper rest.
>>65320142Silvercreek arms in Michigan makes a double action that looks like a single action, 7 shot, but has gain twist rifling like the x frames.. if your feeling spendy it would be a good choice.If you want to chase velocity with lighter bullets at a certain point your gonna want to look at faster powders and probably some reloading software like GRT or quickloads.. pressure spikes behind heavier bullets because the bullet doesn’t start moving as fast…. As the bullet moves forward it increases the physical volume the reaction can exist in… You want to find a fast powder that fully combusts before you hit the end of the barrel..
>>65317941The polymer tip is also so it’s “tube magazine safe” in leverguns…
>>65320142>I want an overbuilt 357The old 6 shot Redhawk. Freedom Arms makes a 357 on their model 83. BFR has another overbuilt 357 as well. John Taffin has some loads for "353 Casull" using Acc#9, but I won't touch those. I have used the H110/296 loads.
>>65322159Did you have a hard rest?
>>65322216True but that was invented after
Anyone have any experience with loading 7.7jap with 150gr or 174gr? I have 150gr and 174gr bullets since I also load .303 and 7.62x54, but I've essentially concentrated on 150gr for "logistics".Load data for 150gr 8mm Mauser data looks essentially the same for 150gr 7.7 Jap data that's available online. >>65319578 Have any experience either friend?>>65320244the extinction of IMR4895 in the wild has led me to do testing with BL-C2 and WIN748, expecially for feeding my M1 Garand, but I have to test my other surplus, I hope I don't explode my Lee-Enfields.
>>65325890I'm using alternative powders too, not only because of availability but the expense in the third world (New Zealand)
>>65324018No, it could have been way better. I shot the P.H. >>65318501 load after my pressure test and sending a dozen 300prc rounds down range.
