old beauties and rare ones
>>65300267sms Dukla, a really rare one.Ersatz Triglav class destroyer of the Austro Hungarian navy Finished 1917 saw service in ww1 and was taken by france after ww1, others of the class went to italy.Dukla and her sister ships survived the the great ship breakup of the 1920s, till they were scrapped in the late 1930s/early 40s.33knots, 4 torpedo tubes, 2x3.9" guns, 4x2.6" guns, 2x2.6 aa guns
>>65300306Austro Hungarian navy you say?Austrians doing marine landing operations at Montenegros coast.sounds surreal.
>>65300267what seaplane is that?also, a bow catapult is quite uncommon
>>65300351>>65300267Daily reminder that in ww1 the British had a hybrid aircraft carrier/battlecruiser with a flight deck in the front and a single 18 inch gun in the back
>>65300422Better look at the gun itself. Originally pitched as a "large light cruiser" by lord Fisher, HMS furious was supposed to be armed with two single 18 inch gun turrets, but only the rear one was installed before it was decided to repurpose it, and by the end of the war even the rear gun was replaced with a second flight deck, intended for landing (the fact that the superstructure was still present in the middle made it pretty much unusable tho). In this configuration it took part in the first aircraft carrier operation in history, the Tondern raid, in July 1918.After the war it got turned into a proper carrier with a proper deck
>>65300422>>65300432Man I wish someone would make a 1/700 scale model of her in the as-launched configuration.
>>65300267Turkish battlecruiser Yavuz Sultan Selim, formerly SMS Goeben. Finding itself locked in the mediterranean at the beginning of the conflict, the captain decided to flee to the allied but still neutral Ottoman Empire. The ship was later donated to the Ottomans, joined their navy and took part in operations in the Black Sea. It remained in service with Turkey until the 50s, and was the only true Battlecruiser to ever be part of a NATO fleet.Amusingly, the ship kept pretty much her entire German crew until the end of ww1. Dudes were given Turkish uniforms and fezzes and were just told to roll with it...
>>65300422>in ww1every single battleship and as many cruisers as possible was a hybrid carrier, which was not as crazy as it sounds in an era where "aircraft carriers" carried maybe 4 seaplanes at best and you could put that many seaplanes on 2 battleshipsand they could take off from a "flight deck" barely larger than the top of a battleship turret
Semi-Dreadnought Sms Radetzky4 × Sk 30,5 cm L/45 Škoda K108 × Sk 24 cm L/4520 × Sk 10 cm L/50 Škoda K106 × Sk 7 cm L/45 Škoda K102 × Sk 7 cm L/18 Landungskanone4 × Sk 4,7 cm L/44 Hotchkiss3 × Torpedotube 45 cm
>>65300422>>65300513there where ex-Torpedoboats used as seaplane tenders to expand the planes range and pick up downed pilots.The seaplanes type Lohner etc. used to hide between adriatc islands next to their mothership, usually 4 per boat. One flying recon, calling the other 3 plane for an attack if a target shows up. they would stay at sea as long as they had fuel/ammo. A bit like porco rosso.picrel Sm Torpedoboat 14 (ex Tb Kigyo) as seaplane tender.
>>65300849and a model of the same ship
Love me the Macon and Akron.
>>65303607Also a paddle wheel powered aircraft carrier.
Paper ships allowed?
>>65304098here you have the armored cruiser St. Georg being launched.on the sides of the hull the teak wood buffer for the armor plates is exposed.almost paper.
>>65303607macon mentioned. my beloved
>>65304183I laughed harder than I should. Well done anon.Have a French cruiser with paper thin armor for your troubles.
lets get some ones that are good for desktops going
>>65306979
eng team coming back from killing south americans
vanguard
Sms Kaiserin Elisabeth as station ship docked in Tsingtaoshe would fight the first warship/warplane fight at the beginning of ww1 against the japanese. there the rules were set for all future fights of ships with guns/cannons against planes: you barely can shoot a plane down exept by extensive ammo consumption. but you always force them to fly higher and faster so they can barely hit you.japs bombed tsingtao for a day, Elizabeth fired at them for a day.nobody got hurt.
>>65306979To think that a decade before that picture was taken that ship was considered a top of the line design.>>65307238Things really have been all downhill since WW1. Technology by all means certainly has advanced but a sense of aesthetics and wonder? I really wish a few of such ships had been properly preserved into the modern era. Its like seeing glimpse of the human soul that has been forever lost to time.
>>65307067>ai upscale
>>65308010the missing link between broadside and turret ship is the casemate ship.Literally a castles Bergfried/battery tower with a ship build around it. inside The casemate are several caliber 7" upwards breech loaded guns which can be pivoted between gunports or are fixed in their direction to have almost a 360 degrees firing angle wIth all gun ports.picrel is the sms Custoza. She has her casemate located in the center of the ship. Behind the lifeboat on the davids are the forward firing gunports, the so called hunting guns. this is an austrian navy speciality which came from the experiences at Lissa: once you ram into the enemy, fire 4x 7" into the rammed hole in the enemys ship, to perform a fatality. "FLAWLESS VICTORY. FATALITY"aestetics today are everything looks like a Burke. Gallions and ornaments or a victorian paint job... are from more civilized times and gone sadly.
>>65308010Georgios Averof is a Great Cruiser and still in great condition. Texas is undergoing maintenance and the Mikasa is at least safe from rust. The former austrian Aviso Sms Dalmat (Franz Ferdinands admirality yacht) is half sunk at Pola but seems to be kinda safeable. And there are two river monitors from ww1, one in Hungary and one in Serbia, both in running condition. Its a pity the turks scrapped the Goeben, but in their defence, they offered it to Germany, but they cucked away from their past and didnt want it.but a nice cruiser in victorian paint golden with ornaments at bow and stern... one can dream
>>65308794>>65308873Not forgetting Caroline and M33
>>65308881what a sexy gilf
Here is sms Bodrog, now Sava, given to serbia post ww1 fully renovated and moored in Belgrade. During ww1 she fired the first shots of the war, shelling Belgrade, lol.Austrian-yugo-german/croat-yugo service, two world wars, some interwar action and now museum ship. I have heard rumors she was used as artillery platform during the balkan wars but im not sure about that.
>>65309044And here she is shelling Belgrade, her home town, for archduke reasons.kek.
russia did something good by preserving the aurora
>>65309074>inb4 they try and use it and it gets harpoonski'd
>>65308881light cruiser=best cruiser
>>65309095not gonna happen.or where do you think the Kusezows boiler came from?
>>65309074>It still quakes in its dock if a fishing trawler sails within 50 miles
>>65309116its Kuznetsov Anyways, here is the General Alexeyev, Peter von Wrangels flag ship. After the bolsheviks raped russia in the civil war, the remains of the imperial russian forces retreated to the crimea and evacuated ca. 250.000 people to Constantinople from the red terror, utilizing the mostly intact imperial baltic fleet in 1920.She was the Voila of the provisional russian government in opposion in the 1920s.Btw., this exodus is where the Battletech writers got the idea from for the exodus of the star league fleet to what would later become the clan homeworlds after Stefan Amaris betrayal.
>>65308794They're basically a wall of guns and I love everything about them.>>65308873>GoebenIts a shame that she was one of the last of the WW1 capital ships and a battlecruiser of Germany no less yet she wasn't preserved. What I have found difficult is getting photographs of her from the 60's. Thought they'd be more common unless I am just being blind looking for them?>>65308881People really forget that the Caroline exists. I need to make a proper effort someday to go see her.>>65309044These small coastal and river monitors often go unappreciated but tend to have interesting service histories.>>65309074>only functional Russian warship>>65309135>Battletech Considering that the Kommuna is still in service and is pretty much a floating example of lostech the Battletech writers were bang on the money there.
>>65309135>this exodus is where the Battletech writers got the idea fromI-i-it's not like Asimov's insanely-influential Foundation SF series written decades earlier or anything was all about a bunch of people leaving and founding a tiny enclave of worlds far way from the disintegrating galaxy and being forced to develop crazy powerful miniaturised tech and eventually returning and conquering the galaxy or anything like that, okay!
>>65309044>>65309244river monitors you say? old ones?heres maybe worlds oldest one afloat, Sms Leitha commissioned 1871 now a musem ship in Budapest."In Budapest da pudern fest"
>>65309244Man, I wish they had turned that into a museum ship.
>>65308873There's also Aurora, though she's currently a bit tricky to visit for most.
>>65309317I just like the old man sitting on the chair. I want to be him.>>65309424We should sneak in using torpedo boats and steal her.
>>65309590>We should sneak in using torpedo boats and steal her.https://www.findafishingboat.com
>>65309590[panicked signalling in the distance]
>>65309590chair guy is chilltorpedoboats are pure love
>>65308873>>65308881>>65309424Not nearly as impressive as those, but if you ever go to Rome you can still see the MAS 15, the only motor torpedo boat to ever sink a dreadnought, that being the Austro-Hungarian Szent istvan
>>65310070Haven't seen her (yet), I have seen CMB 4 though
le boat
I have only recently taken the big boat pill, and I crave big boats. What are some sites/channels you go to for your big boat fix?
SusSEX!
>>65310341Did you see her at Duxford or Portsmouth?
>>65310824Duxford, about ten years ago
>>65300267>ShipnutI think I know this is a reference to a site...but for reasons I will let you figure the site.
>>65310674Enough high quality big boats content to last yearshttps://www.youtube.com/@Drachinifel
>>65309317FREEBOARD AND DRAFT SMASHED AND SLAMMED!!!
>>65310674>I have only recentlyWikipedianavweaps.comnaval-encyclopedia.com>broken engrish but still a great casual read, strangelycombinedfleet.com>bloggers who became some of the foremost American historians on the IJN by dint of sheer autismarmouredcarriers.com
>>65310909Is she okay?
>>65310368casemate ships: yes
Seiner apostolischen Majestät Unterseeboot Nr. 10
>>65311600why is this sub moored in front of a seaside resort? or is this a fancy belle epoche sailors home?
You can bring back any one (1) ship to be turned into a museum regardless of what happened to her at the end of her life.What ship are you going to choose?
>>65311924SMS Goeben/ TCG YavuzWhile Warspite is cool and all, Goeben literally changed the course of the 20th century by ensuring that Turkey came in on the side of he Axis.
>>65311947WW1 propagandaThe Turks had already offered the Germans an alliance in July 1914
>>65311924Warspite
>>65311924Sms Lacromathe imperial austrian admiralities yacht/swimming casino/whorehouseMass, casino etc. were covered with mahagoni and teak, red leather. Came with cooling room for drinks&meat, even had a freezer for ice cubes. several bedrooms. named after the island lacroma (locrum) with an habsburg castle half a mile off dubrovnik, where the capains and admirals went to fuck their mistresses.i want the ship including the female staff.
>>65300441Thought i'd try to be helpful and drew a blank, largely, but did find a link to a never-released kit, but if you are or know someone who can translate a photo into a decent stl file, then https://www.scalemates.com/kits/admiralty-model-works-700-012-hms-furious-1916--996961
>>65310070Is that a mausoleum for a torpedo boat? I feel like if I get a chance to visit I need to go dressed in robes and offer prayers to the boat gods.>>65311610You see they'll be looking for submarines at naval ports not your local holiday resort!>>65311947>>65311955There's an argument if Brits had actually delivered the ships they promised and weren't so dumbfuck diplomatically they could have kept the Ottomans neutral. In both world wars UK really was an exercise in seeing how long you can keep doing the most retarded shit possible before having to get your act together.>>65311983>>>65312044The Habsburg Pimpboat?
>>65312187>There's an argument if Brits had actually delivered the ships they promised and weren't so dumbfuck diplomatically they could have kept the Ottomans neutralPropaganda too, because the turkroaches offered the German alliance *before* Britain seized their ships
>>65311983>>65312187You say you have no subjectAnd your brushes all have dried;But come to MarazionAt the ebbing of the tide.And look you out to seaward,Where my Lady battle scarredHugs the rock that is more welcome,Than the shameful breakers yard.Paint her there upon the sunsetIn her glory and despair,With the diadem of victoryStill in flower upon her hair.Let her whisper as she settlesOf her blooding long ago,In the mist that mingles JutlandWith the might of Scapa Flow.Let her tell you, too, of NarvikWith its snowy hills, and thenOf Matapan, SalernoAnd the shoals of Walcheren;And finally of Malta,When along the purple streetCame in trail the Roman NavyTo surrender at her feet.Of all these honours conscious,How could she bear to beDelivered to the spoilerOr severed from the sea?So hasten then and paint herIn the last flush of her prideOn the rocks of Marazion,At the ebbing of the tide.
>>65312237I went down to Prussia Cove a couple of years ago
>>65312187>There's an argument if Brits had actually delivered the ships they promised and weren't so dumbfuck diplomatically they could have kept the Ottomans neutral. In both world wars UK really was an exercise in seeing how long you can keep doing the most retarded shit possible before having to get your act together.They seized all ships on the stocks, with options of paying back right away for them or getting you brand new one right after war (and that was clearly stated in all contracts with British shipyards).Turks didn't wanted to wait, and don't wanted just their money back. Legal battle took a long time and when it settled and Turkey agreed to take the money, Turkey was actively working with Germans at that time so money transfer was stoped by the gov.Broader explanation here1:47:55https://youtu.be/MP0t2o37bFA?t=6474
>>65312208>>65312290Problem with that Drach explanation as there is a lot more factors to it that makes it more complicated and he even mentions the other points in previous videos. For example there was a pro-German bloc in the Ottoman parliament but there was also an equally sizeable pro-British bloc and in some key votes where say the British ambassador could have smoothed things over he was nowhere to be seen. The British fumbling of foreign relations here definitely swung things in favor of the Germans but that doesn't mean all the overtures to the Germans didn't also push the Brits down a path of no trust.Its hard to pin down a single contributing issue being why everything happened the way it did as the truth is load of things had to come together to make it go down this path.Anyway time for more ships!
>>65312450>For example there was a pro-German bloc in the Ottoman parliament but there was also an equally sizeable pro-British blocTruePoint is however, before the Brits did anything adverse to the Turks, they already had made up their minds to go with the krauts
>>65311924USS Johnston DD-557. Fletcher-class destroyers had a reputation for being tenacious rascals and Johnston and her crew was the epitome of these little bastards.
>>65312450french predreads and the french idea of putting everything vital below the waterline led to some really interesting designs. ever heard the term semi dreadnought? heres one.
not entirely sure as to what the thinking behind these was, but im guessing some pot was involved when they decided to build a coastal escort gunboat hybrid with armor protection that wouldnt be out of place on a cruiserQRD:>~1300t>2x2 120mm in armored turrets (bofors design, built under license)>2 Burmeister & Wain diesels 3500bhp, 19kts, would be changed a couple times both in German and post-war Dutch service>designed with 2x2 40mm bofors and 4 .50 Vickers. 3.7cm, 20mm, and 13.2mms in German service>60mm hull armor over the engines and magazines as well as the fire director, up to 50mm on the turrets, and 20-30mm of deck armor>7 authorized, 3 ordered, all captured on the slipway>pressed into Kriegsmarine service for convoy duties in the north sea>K1 was sunk by the RAF, K2 heavily damaged and scrapped post-war, K3 served as 'Van Speijk' until 1960
>>65313161>armored destroyerNeat.Also, I like the German (?) splinter-type camo. No camo on ships was ever really very effective, but it sure looks cool.
>>65312187>Is that a mausoleum for a torpedo boat?It's inside the Vittoriano. The building hosts the Unknown Soldier tomb, aswell as a museum with relics from the Italian wars of independence and ww1 (which is where the boat is) and the Sanctuary of the Flags, where the battle flags of many decommissioned Italian navy flags are kept.
>>65312187>>65313240For example this is the case containing the original battle flag of the battleship Vittorio Veneto
>>65300267We need go biggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXc3oS0iz38
>>65312894comfy sunscreen on the back.>>65313161>>65313216isnt splinter camo following the same idea as dazzle camo? to change the ships silhouette in a way which makes it harder to estimate speed and direction of the vessel seen thru a periscope or range finder?in ww1 the austrians experimented with an olive green paint. to make it harder for submarines/torpedoboats to spot an anchored ship against the green woody coastline of the adriatic. since it made it easier to spot the ship against the sky they changed it to the usual grey during the war.
>>65314787a-h subs had the same green on the upper half of the hull, the lower was dark blue. conning tower had dark blue camo stripes on bright grey.midwar they changed the camo to grey for tower and upper half of the hull and dark blue for the lower hull.
>>65300422>flight deck in the front and a single 18 inch gun in the backBeat me to this one. This has got to be the most fucked up armament scheme of any surface warship of the period
>>65300267The HMS Zubian doesn't have many quality photos and she's not exactly the most interesting looking ship, but she has a funny story. >Tribal-class (the earlier one) destroyer HMS Nubian loses its bow to a German torpedo boat in 1916>Sister ship HMS Zulu loses its stern to a mine a bit later >Admiralty orders that the surviving part of the Nubian and the front end of the Zulu are grafted together, later combines the two names for the new ship>>65303611This thing and her sister don't get enough credit, even if they were only used for stateside training. How many paddle steamer warships even existed in the 20th century, let alone as late as these?
>>65315073Should have made her longer.
>>65314787coastline camo would make sense for the K class, they operated almost exclusively along the norwegian/danish coastsK3 made 64 trips around the North Cape (here seen in a rather boring post-war grey(?), german AA still in place)
>>65300267>old beauties and rare onesI think I gotta mention the Duilio class: hardly anyone knows it, but at one point Italy had battleships armed with 450mm guns and with 456mm of belt armor. These battleships (ironclads technically) were also the fastest in the world when they entered service, in the 1870s.The guns were muzzle loaders, and could fire once every 15 minutes. Amusingly, only the amidship section was armored, in a very early case of "all or nothing" armor scheme.
>>65311924Of all vessels, Warspite probably hits the 'would deserve it' 'would be awesome to see' and 'decently modern example of british battleship building'.But since that's already been chosen, I would humbly put forth picrel.>One of the first Iron ships.>Took until ww2 to be rivaled in size by a gun-carrying vessel.>Crazy fast for its size and era.>Could survive a boiler explosion, running aground, or tearing its bottom open.>Could, in principle, sail from England to Australia without pulling into port.
>>65316841The fact that people witnessed the boiler explosion and the description matched a space rocket taking off must have been one hell of a sight.
>>65316841For the extant battle damage alone Warspite is a better choice than pretty much any ship one might name.
>>65311924Yamato. I know it's a meme but that'd be the ultimate battleship museum.
>>65320391It rather works if you consider it a Titanic level submersible experience.You could even go USS Johnston Tier if your wallet will tolerate it..
>>65320398>if your wallet will tolerate itNah, there are ways to make deep sea exploration affordable. Hear me out.
note the 'ready rack' gutters on either side of the gun, on later french destroyers these would go all the way around
>>65320391I personally prefer the Nagato. I just think she is a more attractive ship.
>>65321111>rangefinderif you put that in a movie, they'd say the prop looks unrealistic>machineguns??are they? looks weird
>>65321213>looks weirdHave you met the French?
>>65321213>rangefinderbearing indicator>machineguns??Hotchkiss M1929 13.2mm
>>65321225>Hotchkiss M1929 13.2mmnicethey look cartoony as well
It's good that it has a sunshade, but the layout looks a bit cramped with other equipment and personnel, making it seem somewhat difficult to use.
>>65321243the open bridge is actually quite spacious, but yeah the machine-gun gallery just below looks absolutely festooned, which caught my eye too
>>65320132If there is one ship that deserves to be around these days, it is the Warspite.>>65320391But this is true too.The Yamato is basically picrel.>Brainlets think it's cool because it's da biggest and da biggest gunz.>Midwits think it's actually gay because no fire control radar, poor accommodations, and lacking the shit allies had meaning it wasn't as capable in some ways.>The few learned men know the Yamato is fucking cool, because it's; a damn impressive design brief, built as a Battleship Hunter for future Battleships. Drawn up in the 1920's from a very antidox and under-tenured ship building industry, with very divergent technologies, to counter the fact they couldn't match the allies in conventional numbers of ships put to sea, but they might if they make a single ship that was just that much better. >And it actually got fucking built. Despite everyone else looking at japan, and the idea, and saying it was laughably impossible for them to do.The Yamato was objectively fucking awesome, and only suffered in that, by the time it was commissioned in, the meta had moved and aircraft carriers were a thing.If it were still around, it'd easily be one of the most popular historical vessels to visit, and an invaluable historic source.
>>65321315>it's;>antidox>under-tenured>that,>commissioned in,>movedplease be ESL because that's the only excuse you can have for being this fucked up
>>65321319He's probably from /lit/.
>>65321319I have a weird education with regards to words, and I wrote that at like, 2 am my time.Makes sense to me, but my apologies if it doesn't to you anon.
>>65315925armor/gun layout sounds like a casemate ship>>65315073i like ww1 destroyers with their raised bow section
>>65323829>raised bow sectionyou talking about this?that's called a raised or stepped forecastle. very classic in ship design, recalling the wooden ships of the Age Of Sail, and re-popularised for WW1 destroyers / torpedoboats by the Royal Navy. it reduces topweight (the most important factor for ship stability) while raising the forward crew positions higher out of the sea spray. it has its trade-offs of course but visually looks amazing.
>>65323829>armor/gun layout sounds like a casemate ship>>65323829It was actualy not: the guns were in two turrets amidship. After firing the turrets had to be rotated and lowered in a specific position where there were portholes and rammers for them to be reloaded...
>>65315925>only the amidship section was armored, in a very early case of "all or nothing" armor scheme.heh, last night i was just reading about predread armour development and a footnote mentioned this
>>65323908Muzzle loading turret guns are such a small, but interesting time period of ship building.
>>65315035I think the Matsushimas beat out Furious>Instead of building a single capital ship with 4 turrets, build 4 cruisers with a single Capital ship grade turret each>2 of the cruisers have the turret on the bow, 2 of the cruisers have the turret on the stern>Sail them all in close formation to slug it out with enemy capital ships
>>65326563>ram bow>rate of fire of two (2) rounds per minutesumimasen wtf
>>65326563It took me a moment to realise the stern is to the right of the image
>>65326563>Aft weight offset +18
>>65326563The weird thing is for the time period that briefly does make sense.
