Being the first president aside, how would we rank his generalship
His strength was in maintaining army cohesion and discipline, especially during maneuvers. He had relatively few victories, but being able to maintain an army in the field was important in itself.
>>65303323Probably would be mid-upper tier in a real conflict of the era, let's say the Napoleonic war. Seems more like a leader than a general. As a non murrican I do not recall anything of notr about his battles.
>>65303323A+. he led from the front, instilled bravery in his men, went through the same shitty conditions with his men instead of being an entitled faggot like most officers at the time who went home and ate their fancy food during winter while the enlisted starved and froze, and he listened to his officers advice and relied on their experience and stayed up all night reading books (the equivalent of google researching) on all the latest war tactics of the time
>>65303323Mid I.Q. High E.Q. Washington was a leader in that he know how to deal with people and use them where they were best needed.
>>65303359>I do not recall anything of notr about his battles.thats because youre a massive ignorant uneducated faggot>>65303359>As a non murricanoh
>>65303384>>65303390Also his size. He was 6'2" when most men were 5'7" Bismarck had the same bonus (6'4") There are various stories of how finding replacement horses for him was an issue.The reading is huge. After a loss Washington would read until his candles or lamps ran out.Washington was an honest man. Other honest and smart men can sense that.
>>65303323Trenton at least was a perfect victory. And Washington was wise enough to immediately retreat back across the Delaware.
>>65303398>Washington was an honest man.This. The biggest advantage was that he was genuinely a good soul. People don't realize that a huge contingent of the Colonies wanted to crown him as a king, and he shut them the fuck down and personally implemented a lot of the checks on (his own) executive power. Unlike certain American leaders (*COUGH* Adams *COUGH* Lincoln *COUGH* FDR) Washington was really, truly, and at his core, a leader who only wanted the best for his countrymen. This extended to his leadership as a general. I'd agree with >>65303359 that he was tactically solid but not exceptional, but his leadership was on the absolute top level of the era.
>>65303435>(*COUGH* Adams *COUGH* Lincoln *COUGH* FDR)What a truly bizarre thing to say
>>65303359He was a mediocre tactical commander but a high tier generalissimo, ala the much later Eisenhower. I.e., he's a great CEO but not an excellent Branch Manager. Much of his mystique was war and post-war propaganda. The British weren't fully commited to the war and considered the Americans as wayward confused Englishmen to be taught a stern lesson, not traitors to be shot and pillaged. Had the British treated the Americans like they did to the Irish or various Indians and Africans, the US would be depopulated and burnt to the ground.
>>65303435>owned slavesWooooooooow
>>65303590>>65303590literal ignorant tard
>>65303323Generalship is a solid C+ growing to B as the war goes on. Tactically solid but not exceptional as a commander, but he knew what his advantages were and how to press them when he got the chance.Leadership gets a high A at the very least though. The man practically kept the continental army together through sheer force of will and personality.Ultimately Washington was probably the perfect choice for the job, there may not have been another person in the colonies who could have done what he did or filled the role as well as him.
How was his eggnog recipe?
https://youtu.be/qv6OOuPI5c0>washington, washington>six foot twenty fucking killing for fun
>>65303590>>65303706The British literally did not take the war seriously until France entered it, at which point it was way too late to put the rebellion down. They approached the war like they were going to gun down farmers with pitchforks. Even 1812 (the absolute last chance they ever had to retake the colonies) they considered a minor side theatre to the Napoleonic War. To paraphrase another anon, the British general staff produces few Wellingtons and many Elphinstones.
>>65303323Bad, we would have been fucked if not for the French and the Spanish support we had.
>>65305456>Good to Great, we would have been fucked if not for the French and the Spanish support we had.Ftfy. The decision to cross the Delaware alone is some high-tier ballsery
>>65303392Why would he need to care about the history of your third-world shithole?
>>65306534Don't think so, but as a war where the Continental US was actually a theater (White House getting burned etc) it's something that theoretically could have been an outcome. Not the case afterward.
>>65303590Anti Washington revisionist history. Kill yourself liberal
>>65305450The British deployed a significant chunk of their military and hired 30,000 mercenaries
>>65303590>dey hurt the poor Irish/niggers/heyasSo what?
>>65306744He's right though. Washington was not singularly brilliant in any way; British leadership was just worse across the board despite having zero reason to be. It's like North America turns royalists into morons the second they get within eyesight of the shoreline.
8-9/10
>>65305450the napoleonic war that they started?
>>65303323Breddy good considering he sent the limey invaders packing.
>>65303435Should have just donned the crown. Democracy turned out to be very faggoty
Are you including his sparking the 7-Years War?
>>65305427He's coming. HE'S coming. HE'S COMING.
>>65307860Kill yourself
>>65303323As a strategist? A+. As a tactician? B-.
>>65307860You realize that Washington was unable to have children, right?
If you realize that being a general in real life isn't about moving your units around the battlefield Total War video game style, but to keep an army fielded by taking care of supply, morale, discipline, navigation, intel, etc. he was very good given the circumstances. I can very easily imagine that if someone else had taken on his role, there'd be a lot of desertion and starvation going on.
>>65306660>White House getting burnedPeople greatly over-rate how important this was, by the way. Thinking from a European perspective, capturing the federal capital and burning the head of state's house seems like the ultimate victory. Because over there, the capital is an ancient city, a major economic center, and the seat of power of a strong centralized authority. But this isn't the case for 1812 America. D.C. was conceived of as an administrative center, a meeting point in the (then) center of the country, and the federal government was FAR smaller than it is today. It wasn't actually that important, and I'd go so far as to say that gunning for it instead of a powerful state's capital like Richmond, Boston, Philly or New York City was a major error in the British's strategy.
>>65307860He would've made for a very good king, the problem is that, as >>65311686 said, he couldn't get a woman pregnant. So we'd have a very good monarch followed immediately by a succession crisis. Which could've caused the country to break up, or fight a very early civil war and then we never achieve regional dominance. The only good outcome there is if he has a close relative that's also made of kingly stuff AND everyone gets behind him. So even though democracy has turned out to be very faggoty (bearing in mind that the founding fathers largely envisioned it as the Roman republic but even more aristocratic), King Washington is not guaranteed to produce a better long-term result.
>>65306738Yeah but you see it wasn't a victory and if you consult the chart of European war records that makes it fall well within the "didn't take it seriously" category
>>65308084That was the chugs being barbarians.
>>65312511Attacking Richmond or New York was far too risky.
>>65311686I didnt know this and it has changed my opinion
>>65312630This isn’t me.Monarchy is still supreme and every step away from it is a step away from god.
>>65312630George Washington was one of the greatest men of his time… apparently his wife was a huge cunt though.He wanted to free his slaves after his death and allegedly she tried to stop it
>>65303486Adams not withstanding he just sounds butthurt that Lincoln routed a bunch of traitors who wanted to maintain the institution of slavery and FDR for keeping the country from descending into fascism and then defeating it abroad.The only thing you can really fault with FDR was breaking Washington's 2 term tradition, but that's a far cry from staging a coup and crowning yourself king.Speaking of coup attempts...>>65306736>Image of putin's cock holsterLOL, LMAO even.Makes you wonder who his American revolution counter part would be on the American side, since he'd clearly be King George overall.>>65312630>>65311686Washington inherited step kids from Martha's previous marriage, and loved them as his own. Which made it more tragic since Washington wanted to keep his step-son, Jackie alive and out of the war, but Jackie kept wanting to serve with him, and when Washington finally relented and let him join the army as his aide-de-camp during the Siege of Yorktown. Jackie died of disease shortly after the battle was won.
>>65313343FDR signed the NFA you fucking wartourist faggot. Kys.
>>65312864Fuck off Hobbes
>>65313259>apparently his wife was a huge cunt though>He wanted to free his slaves after his death and allegedly she tried to stop itYou contradicted yourself
>>65313422personally I think slavery is an abhorrent practice but damn we should have kept them chained up
>>65313401>t. still seething that the Wall Street Putsch failed.It's still amusing that the same year that happened, General Smedley Butler changed his views and started to speak out against the evils of war profiteering from capitalism and the banker class. Which is sadly why he's been wiped from modern American history books when he was the most decorated military officer in US history at the time of his death.
>>65313427>personally I think slavery is an abhorrent practiceWhy? It has been normal throughout almost all of history
>>65313343>>65313451I genuinely can't tell the difference between schizophrenic leftist anti-gun shills and hysterical third-worlders too poor to own guns on days when the US is bombing the fuck out of Iran.
>>65313577and Trump just gave Ukraine a license to build Patriot missiles so he can't be a russian plant
>>65313606They are going to deny this to the last breath the way a jeet denies the loo. That was their one last sticking point, "well he isn't letting Ukraine have missiles". Well, there they are. There are the missiles.
>>65313629>>65313606>>65313577>trump saysSo what about all that congressional aid he's still trying to withhold?Washington wouldn't put up with him at all.
>>65313642I'm noticing you don't care about the Ukrainians actually being given the means to fight, you want cash which can be siphoned off into NGOs to fund leftism at home and abroad. Washington's problem with Trump would be that Trump hasn't just lined up all the communists and shot them. Yet.
>>65313653Yet your big triumph that proves trump isn't putin's puppet is he's currently going to allow them to manufacture patriot missiles and ignoring that trump was blocking both weapons and aid.Looks like Ukraine still has many cards to play.>The British were communistsOh, you're just retarded, this explains a lot.Post gun and the full and unredacted third and forth pages of your US passport.
>>65313675Trump also moved American troops in Europe eastward as a show of solidarity with Poland and the Baltics and a deterrent against Russia.
>>65313675>puppet allows starlink to obliterate your energy infrastructure >puppet allows CIA to assist in obliterating your energy infrastructure shut the fuck up faggotget out of this thread and take your bullshit to reddit
>>65313675>Trump blocked bills that would have sent money to NGOs that fund leftism at home and abroadYes, that's what we voted for specifically. You keep pulling this stupid stunt where you go "oh but we promise some fig leaf towards the cause that's on the title of the bill so you have to ignore the pork beneath" and then acting surprised when nobody falls for it.>the British were communistsNobody said that, but Washington would have had the communists shot regardless. Those are two totally separate statements you ESL monkey.
>>65313686>>65313703>>65313705>Thinking removing troops from Poland, and then replacing them with a unit that was supposed to be stationed in Germany, instead of reinstating the original planned deployment isn't weakening US presence.>Thinking trump controls a private communication network>Still trying to pretend trump didn't freeze aid to Ukraine and are strawmaning about where the weapons and money went.>Thinking trump continuing to lift sanctions on Russia somehow helps the Ukrainians>No guns or full, and unredacted page 3 and 4 of his US passportsVantiks detected, I'll just laugh at your failed shill attempts.The dronings will will continue until all Ukraine clay, including Crimea is free.
Washed
>>65313742None of the oil strikes you're celebrating every day happen without starlink you fucking retarded monkey
>>65313742Regardless, it's clear we've gotten off topic from Washington's leadership. So I both apologize for taking their bait, and will ignore their badly done shilling from here on out.And to make amends to everyone else, and get the thread back on topic, I'll point out the following about Washington.One of Washington's finer attributes as a general is he didn't let his pride undermine command decisions. Most famously when the French Fleet under Admiral deGrasse arrived from the Caribbeans to support the Americans, Washington wanted to use them to retake New York. However deGrasse saw the British as being weakest in Virginia and intended to sail his fleet to the Chesapeake Bay, specifically Yorktown, which became a place of destiny because it was where General Cornwallis set up the main British army and set up the British surrender and the end of major fighting for the war.
>>65313705>I proudly and specifically voted to end aid spending for notoriously leftist concepts like food biosecurity and keeping gay aids infected Africans in Africa.Smartest MIGAtard alive.
>>65313801Didn’t British actually amass a huge fleet to relieve Yorktown and only got there like a day or so too late to prevent the surrender)
>>65314755If you're talking about Henry Clinton's relief force from New York, which should have been their much earlier because Cornwallis was begging for support, they set out on the day of Cornwallis' surrender, October 19th because Clinton was dragging his feet so much. Furthermore it was only 5000-7000 men (depending on accounts), which seems a lot. But Cornwallis only had about 8000 men under his command, while the American and French combined force was almost 20,000 strong. Meaning the British would still be outnumbered. Furthermore, the ships used to ferry Clinton's forces were the same ones who already lost to the French fleet in the Battle of the Chesapeake a month earlier. Meaning Clinton would have to break through the French blockade to even have a chance to link up with Cornwallis (Which probably wouldn't have happened since the French fleet was 9 ships larger.). And even then, it would probably just prolong the siege of the city.It was probably for the best, because if Clinton and his forces got bottled up in Yorktown and were forced to surrender too, it would been less the British cutting their losses, and more a total decapitation strike since it would have meant the British losing half of their entire army in America, and the last member of the triumphant (that was sent to first support the original British commander, Thomas Gage, before they supplanted him), Major general William Howe and Brigadiers John Burgoyne and Henry Clinton.
It recently occurred to me that this is the most baller painting ever, and I should really order a print of it sometime. Anyway, like most of the thread I would say: >Tactically: Above mediocre >Strategically: Great >Inspirationally: God-tier
>>65314795Shame it's a Napoleon Crossing the Alps tier propaganda painting since the actual crossing was done under cover of darkness to catch the Hessians sleeping, and only a total dumbass would be standing up in a boat and risk falling into the freezing water of the Delaware.Still, a tip of the hat for Washington for having the balls to do it since the Americans desperately needed a win during that stage of the revolution.
>>65313451Gungrabbing leftoid faggot. KYS.
>>65303634Everyone did of any notable wealth or status at the time.
>>65306641Washington had a bigger impact on the trajectory of the world than Napoleon did
>>65315617Or they owned share in ships that transported them.
>>65315580I prefer gungargle leftover filet KMS
>>65314824Luck played a huge role in Trenton. The Hessian commander Colonel Rawl was contemptuous of Washington and the Continental Army. He was there at the Battle of Long Island and experienced how the cream of the crop of the American forces melted like butter against British regulars and Hessian auxiliaries. Rawl did not see the Continental Army as a threat, and despite being warned by the British and other Hessian officers that Washington was near Trenton, and advised to fortify his position and keep his forces on alert, he simply laughed off the information and told his colleagues that if the Americans came his Hessians would greet them with bayonets. The lax readiness is why Washington was able to catch the Hessians by surprise.
>>65316005>Rawl did not see the Continental Army as a threat, and despite being warned by the British and other Hessian officers that Washington was near Trenton, and advised to fortify his position and keep his forces on alert, he simply laughed off the information and told his colleagues that if the Americans came his Hessians would greet them with bayonets. The lax readiness is why Washington was able to catch the Hessians by surprise.That’s not entirely true, the Hessians gone on alert multiple times over the previous days after receiving reports of an imminent US assault and each time the feared attack had failed to materialize. Finally, a few hours before the main assault on Trenton, a company of American troops who were unaware of Washington’s plans skirmished with a Hessian patrol and when word reached Colonel Rall, he was convinced that this had been the warned attack and ordered a stand down.Also while he had publicly dismissed the Continental Army as farmers with pitchforks, he had been privately worried enough to request British regulars as reinforcements and was denied.
>>65314824I am now reminded of Shane Gillis' George Washington bit>George, you have to sit down>THEY'RE OVER THERE, GET 'EM
>>65314824Sure, but moreover they didn't take boats. The river was frozen over. They marched.
Simon Bolivar mogs Washington in battlefield feats and defeated a far more ruthless and violent Royalist opposition but couldn’t into political institutions
>>65316199His revolution was just a bunch of colonials copying the American's homework (American's who fought the foremost military in the world at the time at full strength) while the Spanish were getting dicked down by Napoleon, had been a shadow of their glory for decades following the dynastic squabbling and silver crash of the previous centuries, and had gotten crushed at Trafalgar only a few years before. They were planning this shit from the safety of London and fucked it up almost immediately upon returning to start their war lmaoYou really think stepping on a dying, pronated unconscious man's throat is impressive militarily? He had to resort to implementing full genocide against ethnic Spaniards who did not side with him and left his country a barren husk at the mercy of various warlords and strongmen-2/10, horrible start to a nation and Gran Codumb never had a snowball's chance in hell to exist as anything other than a pale imitation of an articles of confederacy-tier united states and it's failure was both inevitable and righteous
>>65316149Interesting claim, source?
>>65303323Whenever I see Washington posting I always remember he's directly responsible for the conditions in America that inspired people to rebel in the first place.
>>65316052good post for absolutely no reason
>>65316791based?
Anyone else watched the Ken Burns documentary on the revolution? I'm on Ep2 so far and it'd pretty good aside from the noticeable amount of nigger worship.
>>65316839Southern spotted.
>>65316846I am chinese.
>>65316839The daily life stuff is neat but the shit about the Iroquois Confederacy inspiring our own Republic is bullshit. >>65316149>>65316294It was not yet frozen enough to march over; just enough to make boating across dangerous and time consuming because of the ice flows.
>>65316945Interesting, I keep reading that Washington and his men used Durham boats to cross the Delaware
>>65316259You try going up and down the andes on horseback and tell me anything motherfucker. The Royalists were the ones that started the cycle of public torture and genocide. Not to mention Gran Colombia started trying to abolish slavery not keep it up.
>>65316945They deliberately kept hammering in the fact that Washington was a slave owner so much that it was jarring, definitely an attempt at character assassination or otherwise quell the hero worship people have of him.>10 minute dedicated segment on slice of life Washington finding it inconceivable that a negro child would ask him for payment after asking him to come in for a meal>Yeah he was cool and all but didja know this man had 100 (ONE HUNDRED) slaves?!?
>>65316973Yeah idk where his idea that they marched across the ice came from; records of the crossing all mention boats.
>>65316945>the Iroquois Confederacy inspiring our own RepublicI wish more people mentioned the Lycian Federation as an inspiration for the constitution.
>>65316199His victories don't impress me as much as his marches. The dude pulled off multiple Hannibal over the Alps tier marches in his life.
>>65316259>American's who fought the foremost military in the world at the time at full strengthBritain was not the foremost land power at the time, France was. Foremost maritime power for sure, but right up until the Cold War, the British Army always had to play second fiddle to the Royal Navy for funding.If anything, the American Revolution led to Great Britain's ascendance as the foremost military power in general because the ruinous amount of money France spent on supporting the Americans wound up triggering its own revolution and the breaking of French military power in 1815.
>>65303323Not american or a history buff, but from my understanding he was so-so military commander but he was great tard wrangler and generally good in picking right people for the job.Also, to refuse crown and to step down after two terms require someone to be of a strong character.
>>65307860I invite you to consider that at the time of Washington turning down being a monarch, England was a monarchy and look how they turned out
>>65313343Yeah nothing says champion of American values and democracy like:-the welfare state-the NFA-racially motivated concentration camps-taking as many terms as physically possible-intentional mass inflation-signing the gold act (his jewish treasury secretary is standing right behind him in the pic of him doing this)Literally any half competent American president could have defeated the Japs in the Nazis. I don’t see why Roosevelt gets any credit for this whatsoever. He was a horrible president responsible for a massive and tyrranical government that took guns, land, and valuables from the american people.
>>65319776For the record, you support blacks marrying whites and owning guns?
>>65316791What
> british faces when that sneaky little fucking shit Washington escapes there clutches yet again for the umpteenth time like something out of a goddamn looney toons plot as the cartoon mouse foil to there cartoon cat.
>>65313343FDR directly led to the clusterfuck we exist as today
>>65313451>muh fascismMeanwhile FDR buddied up to and directly supported Stalin
>>65313642>Washington wouldn't put up with him at allWashington wouldn't be constantly embroiling ourselves in foreign conflict every 15 seconds
>>65317079the fact that he had internalized enough enlightenment ideas (despite being a military leader and not a philosopher) to actually attempt manumission of his slaves should be respected. That's far more progessive than anything Jefferson or most of his contemporaries did, even if Martha ended up stopping it
>>65323165First contact of the French and Indian War was made by Washington under orders from George Dinwiddie, and the reason the intolerable taxes were levied on the colonies was in-part to pay for the war.But it's a huge stretch to say that because Washington was just a milita colonel who was ordered to disrupt the French from claiming the Forks of the Ohio.
>>65307860Democracy was fine until we started letting Irish and Italians in
>>65325307That's not Reagan and him letting neo cons become mainstream.
