its competition season, just finished up among the top ten of my states ordnance rifle championship. Swedish Mauser 1899 Oberndorf production with a Vasteras back sight.All these guys are reloading but dont group much better than me with standard s&b. lol.
Mf there are competitions with 100 years old rifles?
>>65308787yep there are. and these competitions are very comfy because zero stress or envy (exept maybe for nicer rifles). old warhorses in good condition group tightly but its a challenge to get the accuracy out of an english stock and tiny military backsight notches. the shitty ergos make a bigger luck factor in opposite to the issf rifle competitions which tailor the rifles ergonomy to the shooter. usually used are: m96 or m38 swedish mausers, a3 springfields, all the gp11 swiss although g11 and k31 rule, long 7mm south american mausers, finn nuggets, original sniper nuggets, no4 enfields, p14/p17 enfields. mostly longbois.there are short rifle competitions too, m94s and m95s (the masochist rifle) or the occasional gebrigsjäger carbine can be found here.its for fun, discussing surplus rifles and ammo, having a beer or two.
>>65308903Where are these competitions held? I could borrow my friends israeli mauser98Also i suppose they wouldnt be ok with modern optics on it
For me? Sako. Always Sako.
I shoot mostly handguns cuz its fun, i love vz61, out of rifles vz58 all the way. I shoot casually at a gun range, never really was into competition stuff it doesnt appeal to me, i just like to tak few guns to the range and fire few hundereds of rounds down the range
>>65308917go to your local shooting range and look at the blackboard, the dates should be there, ask someone there. joining a club puts you in the email list. the ÖSB has the dates on its site too. about the rifle, if you can still use the (original) open sights, its no problem, just put caps on the lenses when shooting a comp, so the range officer isnt confused, lol.there are many sniper competitions which allow a max. magnification of 4x if its a new scope (to resemble a Zielvier). otherwise, given original sniper rifle prices, there wouldn be many competitors.
so what are you shooting?pistols/revolvers or rifles?i have both but mainly go rigles because handgun is more training intensive to hit properly. and im lazy.
>>65309153I think pistols are more fun due to them requiring more skill
>>65308951Finland has similar stuff but it's even more dead because everyone into this stuff is one foot in the graveI get to take my L1A1 to the annual SAHS competition however
>>65309501i have never seen something like that in czechia, we do have competitions but they arent as popular as in the rest of europe, the shooting here in general is way less competetive it seems
Tried out my recently bought TIGR on our range today. With cheapo Wolf steelcase it will do ~5cm groups from a cold barrel, which opens up to about 6-7cm when really hot. With the ol' reliable, S&B 180gr FMJ, it consistently did 3cm groups even from a hot barrel. My best was 26mm. But most important: I had fun and two coworkers that tried it out as well also had fun.
>>65309501im the youngest with 46 in my club / austria but no opmy comp. rifle is a m28/30 btw., Simo the man knewI shoot my L1A1 at the biggest (10) gasport opening that allows to cycle, quite comfy and very accurate like 5-8cm groups at 100m
>>65309845>But most important: I had fun and two coworkers that tried it out as well also had fun.Firearm Safety Rule #1 is to have fun out there.
What's your go to bolt action combat rifle for when they inevitably take away your automatics guys? Ruger scout, CZ trail? My holy grail would be>.308>10 rounds mag>can top off mag>Irons AND opticsMighty hard to find.There's the german steel action straight pull, but it has no irons and is supposedly very susceptible to dirt. I want a combat rifle, not a range queen.
>>65310026take away? like the government? it would be shame if some masked criminal that i dont know and left no fingerprints would "steal" it before the government can.however im not really affraid of any restrictions as of right now our gun laws are bloomingbut to answer your question, i have no idea
>>65309900>10Jesus there's something wrong with your gun, I think the absolute minimum gas mine will cycle with is 6, if I'm shooting commercial .308 because they're hotter. With surplus it's 4 or 3.
>>65310026Tikka T3x Arctic? Not sure if you can top it off on the go, my friend does have one and it checks the other boxes
>>65310196>3k eurobucks for the rifle>167 eurobucks for a single fucking magazineYeeeaaaah.But it definitely is combat worthy if the canadian rangers use it.
>>65308763IRON YOUR FLAG YOU LAZY FAGGOT
>>65308787Yes, people all over the world do...you don't?>>65308763boomers usually cast their own bullets for surplus rifles, boomers think they can make better bullets than Hornady, or factory ammo better than S&B
>>65309501apparently perinneammunta is indeed pretty dead but black powder and cowboy action are not. last match I went to had 40 people, youngest was 9, and last year over 90
>>65310299>>65310387dont get the Arctic the "iron sights" on it suck balls. Way too fragile and sloppy. Instead find more normal T3X with backup irons
>>65310299Arguably it can be cheaper to get a Remington 700 and find an AICS stock or similar for it and have a gunsmith install iron sights as a custom jobBut that depends on your gunsmith's pricing
>>65310454>normal T3X with backup ironsAre there even models that don't just have the shitty Battue sights, because I don't think there are
>>65311015There arent. But you can order most models with them or find them in shops. Rear leaf has windage too
>>65311015I mean elevation
>>65309522We do, it's just not advertised. Check webpages of a few shooting ranges, esp. semi-commercial and club ones, and you will see scoreboards from past competitions and often also "propozice" for upcoming events.Quite a lot of pistol events including regional bullseye matches for service type guns and the "LOS League" that's kinda like IDPA with extra emphasis on concealed carry and taking cover.Also enough rifle events including matches or categories specifically for Vz. 58 semis or milsurps, rifle events under LOS, rifle matches under KVZ reservists clubs etc. If you are willing to travel, you should be able to attend a rifle match every month somewhere. Usually on sundays.BTW there's even a biannual 500 m blackpowder rifle match.The catch is that last time many of the shooting clubs and ranges actualized their webs is around 2022 so it can be a frustrating experience looking for a specific match.t. Czech who does not compete but knows about some of the events
>>65310182>there's something wrong with your gunAre you sure?Anon's rifle doesn't work on setting 12 (as it shouldn't, it's the "vent all" position), short strokes at 11, starts working at 10 and cycles all the way to setting 1 "no vent" AKA "ultraviolence". Yours seem to have a far narrower usable gas setting range, the old farts from Bong Army claim the rifle should run reliably somewhere around 6...
>>65311767Isn't ultraviolence 0? Or is it just the Aussies that have a 0 setting
>>65311851My bad, it is indeed 0. Didn't have my SLR at hand to check. Also 12 is actually unmarked as there's no space under the notch.
>>65310026a rigid surp in a common caliber: german, spanish or israeli 98 mausers in 308 or 8x57is
>>65310182>>65311767Männers, clean your rifles, and maybe give the gas port some attention with a toothpick.I'm blasting mainly commercial/hunting 308s thru mine, which are said to be hotter loaded.>>65310336no>>65310026k98 or its butchered hunting rifle derivates, almost indestructible, ammo and spares can be found easily. available: everywhere, esp. the hunters and these are cheap.
>>65312004>butchered hunting rifle derivatesAre you seriously advocating that people buy old Parker Hale Safaris? My friend bought one for a case of beer, that's how little they're worth
>>65312004>k98 or its butchered hunting rifle derivatesin denmark they were mostly turned into 6.5 sport riflesgot mine in 8mm tho, as the fuhrer intended
>>65312300>>65312404i have a full stock/Stutzen which was made from cut down a chilean m98 1912 longboi in 7mm somewhen in the 1970s, with an old but flawless kahles helia4 on a suhl 4 point claw mount and irons/see thru. cost me 350 threefiddy euros from an retiring hunter.i get 5 shots on a 2 euro coin with it, rando factory ammo.every new ruger-plastic-stock-etc. will cost 3x this, no irons. modern low-medium budget scopes are still eye cancer compared to a 50 year old, well kept kahles or zeiss.so yes, although cheap, old 98 hunting rifles made from actual blacksmiths with quality hand scopes are en par with all new shit easily. you better like fudd engravings tho.same goes for old tikkas, sakos, sabbatis, sauers etc... they have usually a 3 digit shot count and are better made than modern stuff.
>>65312470>old Euro scopesNah, fuck that. I actually prefer older Leupolds because they're a lot of bang for the buckMy friend's Parker Hale is actually a pretty funny rifle, the bolt wobbles when you cycle the thing and it seems to hate everything that contains lead. But put copper solid ammo in it and it turns into a laser rifle
>>65312470>>65312532you guys use scopes?
>>65312553I prefer not to, but if I must then American scopes it is>buy custom rifle from friend for pretty much pennies last year (€1200 when the parts would cost twice that now), buy scope from another friend for €700>shoot the damn thing ONCE in the past yearMaybe I just don't like scopes
>>65311980>>65312004Anyone make high cap internal magazines for mauser actions? A couple years ago there was the trench magazine for the K98, but it has 20 rounds cap and is therefore illegal in cuckrope, if it is even still made.Of course, using a mauser action to fend off you know who is extremely stylish. Like I did in red orchestra, or my grandpa possibly did IRL.I guess there's the mossberg mvp but I hear quality is iffy on those mossberg rifles. I'd rather trust the ruger, but it uses AICS mags for .308.Scope would be state of the art red dot or maybe low magnification/red dot combo. I think euopean gunsmiths can mount basically any scope on any rifle, so I'm not worried about that.
>>65312931>but it has 20 rounds cap and is therefore illegal in cuckropeI don't know that feel, Finland's laws may be cucked but manual actions have unlimited capacity
>>65312967dont know about finland or rest of europe but in cz as long as it is for self defense anything is legal
>>65313105I did muse about emigrating to cz>No muslims>Good economy>Don't hate germans as much as poles>Language apparently fuckhard thoughHow smart are your economic and energy policies about now guys? Nuclear plants being built, bureaucracy reined in?
>>65313164We have awful politicians, everything is burning and fucked up. The only reason we have sensible gunlaws and were like the only eu country where are gunlaws getting more and more relaxed with every law change is frankly due to the pro gun lobby and because everyone is sort of in on it. Plus the czech society in general rather progun than antigun>Czechs buy more guns because of the good laws>Czech arms companies make more money>They have more money to bribe politicians>Politicians are relaxing gun laws>People dont oppose it because people are armedIt is a scheme but i would say the type of scheme thats beneficial to everybody
>>65313220>We have awful politicians, everything is burning and fucked up.Excellent, I will feel right at home.
>>65312532wrong. looking thru zeiss or kahles, even older ones, is a different experience from brightness, eyebox etc. leupold is a better mid tier but not in the same league as the above.
>>65312931there are aftermarket trench msgs but they feed not always reliable.but indias 2a1 .308 ishapoo enfield has a 12 shot mag.>>65313220thats nice. good gun culture protects.
>>65312004>I'm blasting mainly commercial/hunting 308sI made a good stash of German milsurp 7,62 NATO over a couple years so that's what I shoot most of the time. I believe I have my regulator set to 6 or 5, the rifle cycles on higher settings too, esp. when shooting prone, but in certain shooting positions with less resistance from my shoulder I would occasionally get a stovepipe or failure to feed so I gave it a click or two more gas for reliability.First time I played with the gas regulator I shot it prone, where the buttstock rests against a bone and has my whole body weight behind it, and set it for mild cycling. Got rather surprised when I stood up and fired offhabd and the rifle started short-stroking on me. Had to redo the settings, unfortunately there's no "scientific" way how to do that on inch pattern rifle without LRBHO, unlike metric FALs where you set the gas so that the bolt just catches open on last round and then you give it 2 more clicks for safety.BTW I clean the rifle quite religiously, but will try poking the gas port with a wire or smth next time.
I wish I went for a cool older rifles like you guys but all the good ones I missed by days before they got snapped up. Shooting a Turkshit that's labelled as sub-MOA but it quite frankly feels like a lie. Thinking of getting a Tikka T3x next.
>>65315040>Tikka T3xcan't go wrong with that.
>>65315040I have the T3x CTR and love shooting it, especially suppressed. Based tikka has threaded barrels on all their new production rifles
>>65314982>unfortunately there's no "scientific" way how to do that on inch pattern rifle without LRBHOMy scientific way is just looking at ejectionDanish surplus is covered in some grease-like gunk so you have to increase oomph so the cases don't just barely fall out
Getting a Bergara HMR in 6.5CM and a Premier in 300PRC next week or in 2. Tikkaboys should check out the Super Varmint, thats a bad boy
>>65316287>Super VarmintDoes that mean it's Super Heavy?
>>65316351Its 22mm at the muzzle, got a very good 2 stage trigger and so on. For me its very close to the perfect raw gun to drop into a MDT chassis. The RTG variant gonna serve us very well in Poland soon :)
>>65316386Haha, you're not gonna use it on my unimportant ass are you? I heard those .22 family bullets are dangerous to mid-sized game.
Is Sabatti a good entry rifle?
>>65316586no
Euroboomp
bump>>65316586yes
>>65308763>>65308951basedah I should check out the ÖSB toogetting good at shooting is still a long way to goCan't aim for shit with my stock G17.2 more years and I have 5 slots in my WBK, time for another pistol or revolver.Also, buying a gun safe rated for "5 long guns" is so retarded, like pic related2 long guns + a small shelf for handgun, all the ammo and other stuff, that's it.One Kat.B and one Kat.C rifle, when I am moving it is time for a bigger safe.Yo Kärnten Anon, when the time comes, where should one check for a good K98 in austria?Just hopping through each gun store and ask?
hello fellow eurofags, how is it hanging
>>65324237whata fuck is OSB
>>65324440>ÖSB - Österreichischen Schützenbundaustrian Shooting Federationaustrian shooting clubaustrian shooting associationsomething like thisor pic related, Oriented Strand Boardthe stuff american homes are made off
>>65324300>how is it hangingway floppier than yours I imagineno way my shitty government would let me own a Madseneven if we invented it
>>65324237waffen gebraucht.at, or egun.de limit search to austriadid somebody here try to shoot accurately with a carcano?its sights are pretty shyte
>>65324481>OSB walls and ceilingmost Americans are not billionaires, Australia
>>65324237>Can't aim for shit with my stock G17did some diggingGlock 17 Gen5 is sighted for combat hold???this explains why I shoot so fucking low all the timejust googling how to properly aim a Glock never told me to check for center or combat holdI think I will just swap the stock plastic sightsat 15 meters distance the front sight fully covers the black inner ring of the target and I can't see shitfor 7 meters it might be fine but I can't even image shooting 25 meters with the factory sightsor is it really just some hardcore skill issue?and I think I should ask that in /hgg/
>>65324237I solved that with a match trigger, 50% weight directly off
