Has the industry become oversaturated? I've just been going back to my old G26 lately and it feels kino. No optics, no magazines that hurt your thumbs to load, and still very concealable. Also takes G17/19 mags of course. Where did we go wrong? This whole industry just feels tired.
>magazines that hurt your thumbs to loadYOU GOT SOFT HANDS BOY-Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
>>65309386covid brought a ton of first time gun buyers to the hobbythe market was already borderline oversaturated in 2020 b/c hillary lost in 2016 and gun bans were losing steambut then when the gun industry saw this influx of buyers, they thought it would last forever, but in reality guns are something you buy 1 or 2 of and never touch againit's compounded by ammo prices, nobody can afford to shootnow states are going back to gun bans tooguns also seem to have become funko pops for adults over the past decadeidk where i'm going with all this but ignore all the corporate/social media marketing and just find what you enjoy to shoot.
i have a friend with whom im going to the range, he is a collector. He has a lot of guns, some of them ar rare some of them arent, some of them are basic some of them cool, he even has a bunch of full autos. but of all the guns he has his favorite ones are old beat up pistols that one could buy for a fucking ice cream money. they are cheap they are old and scratched but man they are so fun to shoot.
>>65309418You’re on the right track here since a lot of those first-time gun buyers were techbros who brought their own brand of autism into the hobby. Used to be gun guys were mostly military/history buffs or liked guns they saw in movies and video games. Now the hobby is full of nerds who obsess over spec sheets and the latest and greatest Chinesium electronics which get one-upped by a new model every year anyway. To make matters worse, nearly all the Cold War milsurp dried up, so that eliminated a cheap entry point for filling out your collection with cool guns that were something more than just consoomer off the shelf products. Basically what happened to the car hobby also happened to the gun hobby.
>>65309613Back in the day people owned guns for real world practical uses>I own a 870 for bird hunting>I own a 1903 for target shooting>I own a model 10 for self defenseNow its >I own 50 gazillion different foreign shitrods because im a hoarder *cough* collector>I own a 12.5 suppressed gessile daniel defense bcm kac free floated yada yada with a red dot plus magnifier plus lpvo plus laser designator plus nods because im a larper *cough* preparing for shtf
>>65309995SHALL, unless you are brown ofc.
>>65309995>I own a 870 for bird hunting>I own a 1903 for target shooting>I own a model 10 for self defenseWhat year do you think it is?
>>65309386Agreed on everything but dots. The CC pistol market started to get retarded with the single stack 9mm subcompacts that were hot in the early 2010s but the stagger stacks made it even worse. Massively sacrificing shootability for "comfort" is a colossal meme. If you carry a gun IWB it should be double stack and probably either a compact or fullsize.
>>65309995One of the original colonists of America had about a dozen firearms and a collection of European blades and polearms Fucking faggot, kill yourself
This habit/trend/fad of treating firearms like fashion items is insanely gay and I'm sick of seeing faggots talk about what's "in" or "meta"
>>65310458>America, founded by larpers, for larpers Own goal there m8
>>65310461Sounds like you hate American culture of wanting to customize, optimize, make things theirs. The repeating handgun is basically an American invention and holds a very special place in American culture.
>>65310465As you type on an American website, which the Internet is an American military technology
>>65310476No, it's the peacocking like a woman that you have the fanciest newest thing. Ye olde gloves of faggotry with 40 armor vs ye olde gloves of a little more faggotry 41 armorUgh you DONT have the cumblaster attachment for your AR??? What are you DOING? You are a fucking joke if you don't have the semenslurper sling honestly
>>65310491>chasing innovation is BAD >trying different things is BAD>experimenting with different configurations is BAD
>>65310512Reading comprehension of a small punjabi child
>>65310520Why would I read the writing of some faggot “sovl” poster complaining about how ar-15s are scary
>>65310482>american website larping as a Japanese imageboard>Thinks fucking around with derpanet for 30 years counts for anything when it was an English chad that made the world wide web (you know, the actual usable thing you make your little larp posts on)Damn, two own goals m8
>>65310526Not even close to what I said but you've made it clear you can't read
>>65310449Pretty based. Full size is optional, but double stack (for full sizie magazine compatibility) is mandatory or else you WILL be killt in da streetz.
>>65310585Aren't most citizen shootings resolved in like five shots or less?
>>65309995You have no guns, are a mindless luddite/contrarian, and are a tourist. Leave.
>>65310596Irrelevant. The capacity doesn't even matter it's about having a larger gun that shoots better easier and does so more reliably. >Inb4 gitgudIf you're honest with yourself then you know that you'd shoot a full size gun waaaaay better than some dinky little three finger gun with the same amount of practice.
>>65310629Full size pistols are the biggest larp in the world. You might as well put on some makeup and stick a little red ball on your nose while you try strap on your 34 piece kydex gimp suit for a robbery or break in that won't happen. I bet you don't even have a fire extinguisher in your house.
>>65310529>English chadNo such thing
>>65310629Sure but the vast majority of shootings also occur within conversational distance right? Obviously you can carry whatever you want but I don't think you MUST carry gun with xyz attribute
>>65310596Aren’t most altercations resolved with no gun at all? Sounds like a rape whistle is more your speed anyway.
>>6531049199% of niggas who post shit like this are broke bitches who are also retards who's only ambitions with firearms is to buy 1000 rounds one time and shoot it all into a pile of dirt and then larp as an ebique 2012 original kommando. They are too broke to ever have a decent AR or, Lord forbid, have the ability and cash flow to experiment with different things on it. They are also too aggressively retarded to ever take advice either. The venn diagram of guys who will yell at you and say "all ARs are the same so you should only buy one for 300 bucks" and guys who say "ARs just aren't reliable" is a perfect circle after all>>65310661I carry a fullsize pistol, it's just not that big of a deal bro. Its not that deep, I just appreciate how comfy the full grip is and concealing it isn't that big of a deal if you have a decent holster and belt
>>65310694You don't need my approval to conceal your deagle little guy, but I think I'll be fine with my single stack 9
>>65310702Another niggerbabbling lobotomite who can't read. My point is not that you can't or shouldn't buy whatever gear or accessories you want. My problem is with the legions of faggots acting like a clique of gossiping girls or /v/tard powergamers anytime someone says "I don't think I want to put a can/LAM/paint this rifle after all" uhhh but you NEED to bro your gun isn't META like mine is
>>65310702>Dude you just need the larp rig so you can larp with the big boys! It's like barely a problem for me to adjust my wardrobe and lifestyle for a toy that I will never use in any practical way! Post fire extinguisher
>>65309386>magazines that hurt your thumbs to loadSame Queen! I just have my boyfriends husband load them for me, but he’s been saying problematic things lately so I think I am going to spend 40 dollars and buy a MagLula(TM) since the mag loader that came with my Glock 19 is too complicated. :))
>ambitions with firearmsyou mean like, going on a hike with your rifle? wooooooaaahhhhh
>>65309613It also doesn't help that most new gun owners were already addicted to social media before they touched their first gun, so everything they think they know about guns comes from garbage short form media and attention-seeking advertisers. The fact that they're new and don't know any better makes them extra susceptible to falling for the new X Pro-Tac Comp-pedal Compact because they enlarged the barrel ports for 2026 and put more molecules in the frame to keep recoil down.
>>65309386It's been fucking priced out for 20 years now. Sand Hook was when? Ammo prices never went down. Iron Curtain was open, is closed. And ranges are packed to the point where you don't want to be there.There's a lot to complain about, and the manufacturers have no incentive to look for new avenues for money since it's just tight all around.>except Kel-Tec
>>65310661Your preoccupation with homosexual subjects is gross. Please stop replying.>>65310681Right, and the vast majority of DGUs involve no rounds being fired, so might as well carry an airsoft gun right? That's where that logic gets you, or maybe with a .22lr pocket gun and you ignoring that they fail to stop attackers half the time when used. Frankly your claims pretty dubious, sounds like you're regurgitating something you've heard off YouTube. Do you have a source for that? I've heard it repeated a lot but the only break down of the actual underlying info that I've seen doesn't support it. A lot of shootings happen at 0-3ft because people were already involved in a struggle when they drew. Then the rest were all over the place with the furthest being over 20yds. "Most gunfights happen at xyds" used to defend micro guns is disingenuous. The real answer is that a lot of them happen during a struggle which artificially creates a low average not representative of the mode or most common outcome.
>>65310775>Spends an hour writing a novel to justify his gimp larp Or you could get a real job and move to the white side of town but that would require you to stop being an autistic loser
>>65310775https://thetacticalprofessor.net/2017/04/26/revolvers-will-get-you-killed-or-will-they/https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17723-1st-round-of-stats-of-citizen-v-criminal-resistanceboth of these are linked in the /hg/ pdf guide, though neither is necessarily a "good" source honestlyat the end of the day i think cc is really down to what works at an individual level, and i dont think it is insane or retarded for someone to carry a revolver or a small capacity auto, and that also doesnt mean i dont think you should carry a gun or you should carry an airsoft gun, that is ridiculous
>>65310813damn that's crazy, post your guns
>>65310681The methodology of the 3 3s figure is very dubious, as are most gun studies because we're studying statistical anomalies and have a very hard time controlling for variables like>distance>visibility>exact loads used>individual skill levelAnd that's not even to begin to get into the weeds of firearms modifications like grips, sights, and polished triggers which very may have made the difference between one DGU and another with the same model of gun without the same modifications>just use cop statsSounds peachy until you realize 3 important facts about cops. 1) They must neutralize a suspect, a civilian must simply survive the encounter for it to be considered a successful DGU. 2) The average cop is simply a less skilled shooter than the average enthusiast due to the nature of when they can practice (of course there are cops that are great shots but they're more of an exception). 3) Cops have way less of an ability to dictate a firefight to their terms since they're usually immediately visible unlike an armed civilian who can avoid the threat long enough to get into a more advantageous position. To add, cops aren't usually getting run up on and in some cases literally jumped on to the same degree as a civilian is likely to be, thus less likely to be in a contact shootingIn short, picrel. Carry what you want (hell I carry a 686 for God's sake) but don't make your decisions based on shaky stats
>>65310458>one guy the other 99.95% of gun owners had a single smoothbore shotgun
>>65310596it's two keki wouldnt personally carry a derringer but some 6-9 shot single stack with only the mag in the gun is sufficient realistically
>>65309386Based Glock 26 enjoyer
>>65310596>mostthose are not odds I feel like testing if I don't have to and altercations can involve more than two people
>>65309386>my shitass hyper-generic G26 feels "kino"Is this the state of 4chan now? It's like all the cool kids went to X or other places. It's all absolute fuckwit fops like OP, leftists, trannies, failed normies, and bitter old dudes now.
>>65310585In your opinion, is concealability important?That's probably the main reason someone would choose a single stack over a double
>>65311653I'd much rather have this flavor of autism than the spec sheet retards and hohol overflow from /pol/.
>>65312065I don’t really think it’s all that important. And unless you’re a fatty or someone who wants to wear very tight clothing, concealment of a double stack handgun is not that difficult anyway.
>>65310449>single stack 9mm subcompacts that were hot in the early 2010sThose are actually practical for pocket carry. The new "microcompact" shit like P365 and Hellcat are retarded because they're too big to carry anywhere but IWB, which at that point you might as well carry compact or fullsize like you said. That particular market segment is the epitome of "solutions looking for a problem.">>65310717Yeah people who don't shoot and don't carry getting their opinions entirely informed by social media are a huge problem. Anyone who refers to the current trend forced by guntubers as "meta" should unironically kill himself.>>65310850The whole 3-3-3 theory is one of those "just-so stories" that isn't actually based in reality. Actual studies have shown that most DGUs happen at a distance of about 10 yards (about two car lengths) since they tend to occur in open transitional areas like parking lots and gas stations.
You're all sick people. I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all. I put a curse upon you all. Fuck ya mudda
>>65309995I see a lot of seething in response to this post and not a lot of refuting it kek
>>65312351It's a dumb post because there have always been both diehard gun collectors and normalfags who only own one or two of the most basic off-the-shelf guns and don't really care about firearms themselves beyond their basic utility. The reason why there are more collectors/enthusiasts these days is because the Internet made knowledge and acquisition of these things much more accessible (back in the day you had to subscribe to magazines like Solider of Fortune or Guns & Ammo and hope your local gun store could order whatever you wanted). Modern manufacturing has also made military-style firearms a lot more affordable even accounting for inflation (a Tommy gun cost almost the equivalent of a new Ford car back in the 1930's).
>>65309995I could mention how both Audie Murphy and my grandad kept an M1 carbine for home defense and I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts they'd have ARs if they were available in their time. I could point out that even your selection was extremely excessive for the time and that most folks only had a single shot or bolt action shotgun and/or maybe a pistol. I could point to the bevy of private arms collections from the 19th and 20th centuries. I could do all of that but instead I'll just ask you to stop fetishizing the past
>>65312351>implying a post bitching about people not adhering to century-old standards and displaying an incapability of understanding collecting warrants anything other than mockeryYou made a bad post and got called retarded for it , accept it and move on.
>>65309386Guns have reached their Apex. Unless a new technology comes out of nowhere like plasma rounds or mass adoption of caseless ammo, there isn't any real reason to innovate anymore. There's nowhere to go. AR and Glock clones are the horseshoe crab of firearms.
>>65312351no I'm not refuting your fumbfuck post, I don't respect it or you enough.
>>65309386I follow a german guntuber and he is full of praise about the croatian HS (that's springfield for you murriburgers) Echelon.>Negative height optics mounts>Superior slide serrations for loading>Indexing stipling for fingers>Switchable grip with different sizes thanks to removable FCU like the sig 320>Possible future option for manual safety>SAO trigger better than glock>Ambidextrous mag release button>A blocker behind the mag release button so it doesn't accidentally get pressed (dude prefers the HK paddle though)>A disconnect between mag release and trigger such that the mag CANNOT be released when the trigger is pulled>Can be disassembled without pulling the trigger>Conic magazine opening so malfunctioning mags can more easily be pulled out>Superior drop safety (not sure if that was actually a problem but whatever)>Right angle rear sights so you can hook the slide on a belt or any other edgeI don't know much about pistols and used to think that glock solved pistols, but the guy has me convinced that there's loads of little details that still matter.
>>65309995Yeah, having a spare tire is overkill, you're never gonna need it, buying an entire pack of toilet paper is wasteful just get a single roll and get a new one when you run out, three examples is entitled two is good enough and get the point across just as well.
>>65312312The double stack micro 9 and all of its variants are evidence that the gun industry has been out of ideas for a while and is just trying to trick people into buying what they already own. I've shot a regular old P365 and Shield Plus, and they shoot like a single stack micro 9 (not good) but are too chunky and heavy for the pocket. Then came the versions with a longer grip, and once everyone who wanted one bought one, the same companies extended the barrels too to come full circle back to slim compacts. Now mini compensators are the current fad so people can be happy that their .11-inch thinner pistol finally shoots just as well as a stock traditional compact 9. What's really funny is that at the same time these slim 9s and the hunt for strict size efficiency took over the market, holsters have become massive kydex codpieces with wings, claws, pillows, and all other sorts of gimmicky bullshit. Too bad the people who can recognize all of this as well-marketed trash are now vastly outnumbered by noobs who can't stop buying it. I'm hoping that this becomes the new stylish form factor for the next couple years.
>>65312351>and not a lot of refuting it kekDo you refute a blithering retard that's babbling about the sky being purple? That's basically what the anon (probably you, desu) was doing by>claiming that most gun owners have a shitload of guns when the norm is having 1 or 2>not knowing the difference between collecting and hoarding>acting like people don't have specific guns for the same specific uses they did in the past he lionizes so much>seething over objectively beneficial things like optics, night vision, suppression (which was actually quite accessibly back in the ye olden days) and free-float railsHe's basically a clueless moron thoughtlessly going all in on "old = better," and is getting justifiably called out. Seeing as you can't do anything but post pictures of other people's guns, you probably don't have a lot of experience to back up your opinions either.
>>65314040anon you don't ever devote that many keystrokes to someone who still uses>kekin 2026, you tell him to fuck off back to preddit where he belongs and/or kill himself
>>65313603I will buy one when they make it in 45.
As regards handguns, we could stop introducing new models-types for the next twenty years i.e. the manufacturers of new guns could be 'frozen' at, say, year 2020 and we'd all be just fine.For rifles semiauto or bolt action the models-types could be frozen at 2010 and no one would know the difference.Commercial firearms have stopped 'evolving' from a technical point of view, the only thing changing or degrading is the build-materials quality from the manufacturers themselves.
>>65314047>predditChrist, is this still 2021?
>>65313936Broadly true of the pistol market. Some minor infinitesimal "improvements" in grip and slide width continue to be made, for (random) example the recent Shield X in comparison to the prior Shield. That's where most of the American-market manufacturers are concentrating their marketing energy : minor dimensional tweaks to existing subcompact carry 9 mms
>>65309386>Where did we go wrong? This whole industry just feels tired.see this faggot post right here>>65313603this encapsulates all that you need to know right now. Everyone made Glock clones, but Glocks are Perfection™, so all they can do is zev out and further obsess on milling machines to the point where memes become overplayed memes of themselves.At the end of the day, it's just 9mm no one will use.
>>65317094He does bring up good points tho, glock takedown system is ass and the echelon is just a default better glock.
There's just not much to innovate anymore.People do comp carry stuff because its fun and most of their time with a gun is going to be spent doing mild comp exercises at the range. Not like, competing style practice, but the range equivalent of competing with your friends in a game of HORSE on the blacktop or something.There's still time to go back and perfect ideas that never really got started.
>>65309386wow great blog
>>65310681the best carry gun is the one you will actually carry every day and not look at it and go "eh its kinda a pain in the dick" (literally if you IWB and bend over at all like a normal person). I got a Bodyguard 2.0 Carry Comp exclusively for the fact it's so small you can carry it anywhere on your person and when I bend over I wont get stabbed in my cock and thighs or have a pistols bevertail stab my gutsthe BG 2.0 is probably one of the only 'micro' carry guns I've held that didn't feel like dogshit in my hands, biggest complaint is maybe the trigger kinda sucking and having a long reset but.. it's a tiny pocket gun in .380 socompare that to my J-frame Bodyguard S&W in .38 special with 5 fuckin rounds which sucks to shoot and has a MASSIVE DA only trigger.. I'll take the smaller automatic .380 with 10 round magazines
>>65317213Look at the /k/ Catalog, it's a video gamer topic board. Pathetic content-free jokeWeapons?
>>65317020I can't keep track of S&Ws pistols anymore. I knew they had the Shied Plus and a longer barrel variant, then the Shield X is released as a different model but it's just a Shield Plus that can't use 10 rounders. A couple months ago I realized that they also had a pistol called The Equalizer that's just an optics-ready EZ9 with two more rounds in a mag. Might as well give each gun a different color and backstory too. If Kel-Tec did that like they're all guns in a Cocoa, FL evidence locker and their backstory is the crime that got them there, I would collect 'em all.
>>65317429Yes they gave it a different magazine. (Seems to be another 'strategy' lately among pistol manufacturers : introduce a new model so that it can have its own exclusive proprietary magazine)Shield X is quite different from the original Shield. It's more akin to the minipistol Bodyguard 2.0, in its overall profile and shape.the ones I just found out about here on /k/ recently were the (Walther, and) Smith & Wesson all-metal striker fired pistolsAppearance like their polymer frame counterparts but in metalidk who wants this or why
>>65317460I like the idea of getting interchangeable grip panels with a lightweight frame, but the metal M&P doesn't have grip panels and the metal PPQ is only available in steel. An M&P with an aluminum alloy frame and wood grips would be neat.
>>65317233Even if there was something else to talk about, why would we talk about it here, where 80% of the userbase are brown trannies who only come here to learn how to live out their 764 wannabe terrorist fantasies?
>>65309386Basically what happened is that after Sandy Hoax when Obongo tried to ban everything, a lot of people were panic buy guns for the first time. These people inevitably went onto youtube and the website that shall not be named where all the self-proclaimed gun experts said,>"Just buy an AR and a Glock 19."As a result, the gun industry rose to meet this demand and slowly discontinued everything else. Other factors like inflation and sanctions on Russia also affected things, but the response to Sandy Hoax was what really got the ball rolling. Zoomers won't know this, but pre-2014 AKs in 7.62 and 5.45 were seen as viable alternatives to the 5.56 AR-15 (especially for the budget-minded). The final nail in the coffin was when the FBI came out and dropped 40 S&W in favor of 9mm. Even though it was really only done because 9mm is cheaper, softer shooting, and "good enough," people ran with this and took it as gospel that 9mm was now the end-all, be-all of handgun cartridges (it vindicated both compfags and poorfags who only shot 9mm anyway). The industry responded by gradually discontinuing 40 S&W and 45 ACP handguns in favor of trying to one-up each other on spec sheets by designing new 9mm handguns that are a fraction of an inch smaller and hold one more round in the magazine than the other guy.>>65317460Engineers design pistols around the magazine. Every time they want to make a new pistol, they start with redesigning the magazine geometry and going from there. The all-metal striker fired pistols are meant for compfags.
>>65315390Are you me?
>>65316984This post somehow beats out all the others itt for the dumbest squint eyed nigger award.You need to be raped to death by a pack of niggers.
>>65318356>all this just to fake and gay tldr slop just to shill for Soviet garbageak’s and their ilk have always been for niggers and faggots.
>>65317094>small improvement bad>Muh perfect glock is just as good>please continue sucking gastons mummified dick forever
>>65318429This is true because I just sold one to your mother the other day.
>>65318412sneed
>queers always arguing over which knobslobber comp gun is better for HSLD CC>the humble LCP:
>>65310711Nta but am I cool now
>>65309386The very fact that Palmetto State Armory exists should tell you "Yes"
>>65309386Are there any generationally cool new guns that have come out in the last 10 years that will be looked back on like the USP, M9, AUG, P90, etc. Everything I want to buy is from 20-30+ years ago.
I hope they make a gen 6 version with a rail
>>65309418>now states are going back to gun bans tooThey're getting btfo left and right on this actually.
>>65310465It stops being a LARP when we own the world and half the world's firearms are in the hands of US civilians.
