Forgive me if this is a silly question for i am but a humble Juche-headed retard, but why is this intact? According to the internet it has 39 locks and carries 70 million tons of cargo, surely those locks aren't being protected by air defense and all of them are within range correct? Why use all those drones to blow up river tankers when you could disable the locks which does the same thing but with far more overall economic damage?If their transport system already sucks and cargo trucks can't get fuel then deleting a 1/2 ton of cargo per Russian citizen would surely create serious economic and logistical burdens, am i wrong? I was under the distinct impression that a large portion of their agricultural transportation relies on this.
Those are pretty small targets and not exactly flammable ones either. Anyway, the goal isn't to starve the damn Russians to death.
Striking locks is less efficient than striking refineries.And then there are road and rail bridges.
>>65313171Canal works are very hard to bomb. Even locks are tough as nails.
>>65313185IF you can destroy them the water flow will really fuck things up, though.
>>65313171No oil=no electricity No electricity=canal locks are inoperableNo electricity=no refrigeratorsNo electricity+no oil=no harvestKilling oil kills like 30 birds with one stone, with a nice bonus of giving Russians their own holodomor from which I hope they fully have time to appreciate.
>>65313171What is the Russian plan for importing fuel, anyway? Do they really think the tankers can make it to Rostov? Novorossiysk? Tuapse?
>>65313171It’s pretty harrowing when you realize how many gulag prisoners died in digging these canals.
>>65313175>the goal isn't to starve the damn Russians to deathSpeak for yourself, besides a massive amount of other things move on it besides food. Like tankers and military equipment not to mention warships. >>65313180>>65313185But these are undefended. >>65313191My thought was to hit them sequentially causing accumulated flooding. >>65313199They can go from Saint Petersburg to the Iranian coast, look at the map.>>65313185Image related doesn't look like a particularly hard target, a decent sized drone to each gate house would do it.
>>65313212>gate houseYou have to destroy the actual gate (which as you can see is kinda underwater), AND the machanism thet moves it which is UNDER that house inside the concrete structure that forms the actual lock basin.You are proposing to bomb a concrete block that holds two big steel double gates, most of which is under water.
>>65313212>They can go from Saint Petersburg to the Iranian coastThe Indian tankers will come from India.They wil, presumable, be too big to just enter the canals.And, well, Peterburg is in range of Ukrainian drones, too.
>>65313212>But these are undefended.The refineries and factories are also de-facto undefended.I guess hitting a tanker while it was inside a lock would bea cool trick, but sinking them while they sit in the Sea of Azov works just as well.
>>65313175>not exactly flammable ones eitherI assure you that the fuel for the backup generators that service those motors is quite flammable not to mention the motors don't exactly grow on trees. >>65313225>You are proposing to bomb a concrete block that holds two big steel double gates, most of which is under water.The internet tells me those two buildings to either side are what hold the motors and generators and those are just standard Soviet concrete buildings made of the same material and thickness as commie blocks.>>65313235>hitting a tanker while it was inside a lock would bea cool trick, but sinking them while they sit in the Sea of Azov works just as wellThat makes no sense. What you are saying is no different than saying 'blowing up one truck is just as good as blowing up the bridge it uses' when it is obvious that the bridge is a much more significant target.I am suddenly remined of a year or so ago when there were hundreds of posts mocking the idea that refineries were effectively undefended or that Moscow was too well defended for Ukraine to even consider hitting it or that Ukraine couldn't strike past the Urals.
>>65313171The lochs themselves are rather durable and difficult targets, they can also be repaired with some welds or carpetry. It is like attacking railroads. Yes it can work, but the damage is repairable.
>>65313199>Russian plan for importing fuel, anyway?From Iran through the Caspian sea
>>65313313>blowing up one truck is just as good as blowing up the bridge it useI think anon is trying to day that destroying a ship in a lock blocks that section of canal. Which has some truth. But also this is an area that cranes and construction equipment can access to clear the blockage.
>>65313321But they want fuel from China and India, not Iran.
>>65313313>the motors and generatorsHow easy is it to just move the locks with a tractor instead of an electric motor?You have to destroy the physical locks, the gates. to make it unusable for some time. If you manage to destroy both upper and lower gates then the water will flow through, which will make repairs a lot harder though.
>>65313175> the goal isn't to starve the damn Russians to death.why not
>>65313171Because canal and anal are only a letter removed and Ukraine knows not to seperate a Russian from anal.
>>65313171>39 locksThat's only 30 more than this picture.
>>65313441>Petersberk >Validvostok>teh world This post was typed by scene girl hands.
Why not load a freighter full of fertilizer and do a Beirut on them?
>>65313585>PetersberkIs that the Finnish or Swedish spelling?
>>65313171'aight where do i donate?
>>65313600Not even Russians would be retarded enough to let such a freighter into the locks without security checks.
>>65313617>Not even Russians would be retarded enough Anon....I......They are used to transport the majority of fertilizer in Russia, more than trains.>>65313573These can handle 7000 ton ships, they can move small frigates from the artic to the Sea of Azov with them, they serve the same purpose as the US interstate highway system. Also i doubt Russia can easily replicate 1800's England on short notice. >>65313600Alot of small tankers use them, for instance every one of the tankers being blown up right now traveled them. >>65313355>destroy both upper and lower gates then the water will flow throughNow you are thinking with cascade failure! How do you fix a lock when the one at a higher elevation has been destroyed? And where do you get those motors to replace the destroyed ones?>>65313329Cranes and construction equipment can also fix bridges but we blow those up anyway.I would like to point out it isn't just food, fuel and military equipment that moves through these, they are a critical part of the Russian transportation system including many places that cannot move cargo between them. They move almost anything imaginable through them, 70 million tons. The tankers destroyed in the last 24 hours are roughly 0.1% of the cargo they carry per year. With only 40 targets (80 if you target both ends) need to shut down 70 million tons of cargo i think that is worth fling a FEW DAYS PRODUCTION worth of missiles at for Ukraine, if you disable even one (or where the three main branches meet) it is worth it even if it is fixed in a week. Keep in mind that due to the nature of them a single lock disabled in the right place shuts down the entire branch.The amount is equal to half a ton per Russian per year. Imagine everything you bought or used in the last year and pick which half ton of things you can do without.
>>65313175Actually...
>>65313616So what? its 2025, old news.
>>65313175>the goal isn't to starve the damn Russians to deathspeak for yourself faggot
>>65313175>Anyway, the goal isn't to starve the damn Russians to death.AHEMThe moment we forgot siege tactics was the moment wars became unwinnable. You make the enemy surrender by degrading their ability to partake in basic necessities. Russia can't conscript people to march into Ukraine if they're all too busy trying to not to starve.
>>65313857Would sinking a tanking while it was in the lock be easier than destroying the lock itself?
>>65313857>shut down 70 million tons of cargo i think that is worth fling a FEW DAYS PRODUCTION worth of missiles at for UkraineUnlike Russia with its bombing camoaign specifically aimed at housing, hopsitals, schools etc., Ukraine is not actively trying to starve, freeze and mass exterminate civillians.Ukraine could easily target railway bridges all over European Russia. They choose not to, for humanitarian reasonsThey can freely select their targets. Russia has de-facto lost control over its own airspace at this point.
>>65313212Why do you stan for the Norks but hate the Russians? Two different layers of the same retard cake
>>65314078This is really a time-on-target problem.Passing such a lock probably takes 10 to 30 minutes. HIstorically speaking, canals and locks are pretty hard to destroy.Also, all of them are double locks and judging by the pics on google maps the chambers can be emptied, and they apparently have caissons on site to block the channels for repairs etc.Still, it's kinda surprising. For the Volgograd locks there are some nice 360° vids from not too long ago, and some pics taken from ships in the locks.
>>65314014Damn right, starve them and every part of the world who supports them. Belarus and the DPRK will be fine, besides them i hope everyone allied with Russia starves and has their governments overthrown and that includes every Muslim and Hindu besides Savitri Devi .>>65314078Actually it would. If it was loaded with refined fuel it would create a fire and require emergency crews to fix it. Refined fuels float on water and will burn just fine. If you did a second strike against the repair crews they would be afraid to work there, much like refinery works don't report to duty lately. Then they get sent to the RU Army and die so it all works out.Don't think of each piece of Russia you destroy as a single peace, think of it a gears in a machine that you need to break in the most unexpected way possible. >>65314102Well you should, that is why you aren't winning as much as you should be.>>65314109A question i am often asked. North Korea wants to be left alone, be prosperous and respected. The US opposes them because they are a threat to the RoK's existence. Since that is no longer a issue why be enemies? The DPRK's primary threats are China and prior to this war Russia. Since Russia is no longer a threat to the DPRK (indeed, the DPRK is a threat to their client Russia) then why should the USA and DPRK be foes? In the long term China is the primary threat to both the USA and the DPRK so the obvious answer is a USA/DPRK alliance. It would be a logical alliance and undercut everything China and Russia were doing. I think that a USA/North Korea alliance is on the table and the world is scared of that idea. Also i think that their ideology, uniforms and equipment looks cool and i don't really care much beyond that. I like their music and if you don't fuck you.
>>65313171Destroying a lock in a way that isn't easily repaired will likely heavily compromise any dam system it is connected to, and destroying dams outside of a combat zone is generally considered a war crime or damn close to it
Haven't you ever played Minecraft? The water absorbs the tnt explosion. It's not effective.
>>65314325>destroying dams outside of a combat zone is generally considered a war crime or damn close to it>If Russia deliberately destroys an orphanage it is was legitimate target>If Ukraine blows up a bridge used to move military vehicles it is a war crimeFuck off you subhuman Russian apologist scum. Even the DPRK is sick of your shit. No wonder Kim will not send you more troops. Rapists, murders, inhuman monsters. Russians are subhuman filth, i knew it the first moment i saw a North Korean being killed by a drone.When Russians die via drone they cower and cringe. If a Russian is lucky a 'Comrade' shoots them in the head so they can be counted as a combat loss. North Koreans die because they try to save each other. When they die they get a memorial for them and their families, what do Russians get? NOTHING. I hate Russians so much and love the DPRK so much it is not possible for me to put my conflicted feelings into words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyWVOrgdokA&list=RDqUf3tqT4IDY&index=2
>>65314333Yep you need to get the weapon to explode against the target by some method.You could of course use the camouflet effect to disrupt the whole area.
>>65314346Not an apologist for Russia, norknigger. I support TZD, but Ukraine has to keep Eurosissy governments happy to have their support. It's the reality of the political situation, Russia can commit warcrimes with impunity, Ukraine cannot sink to their level.
>>65314325Most of the locks on the Volga are sperated from the dams by several hundred meterss, sometimes more.Don and Volga-Don canal, though. . .mostly right next to each other.
>>65314356>Russia can commit warcrimes with impunity, Ukraine cannot sink to their levelYou would be surprised at what you can get away with:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_9kwYRK22c&list=PLBjoEdEVMABJhjVC7yhP-X4G6yinvuTwa&index=5
>>65313185Any lock can bile picked.
>>65314356>Eurosissy governmentsWe just decided to stop that.And I really, really hope nobody ever pisses us off enough that we go into the third Find Out phase.
>>65314396The Poles I know would rather have the UK's BFO moat but are going home because it's home.It isn't a large sample but the reason is specific.
>>65314109Because the people and leadership of the DPRK are worth of respect unlike the people and leadership of Russia.
>>65314400Look, everybody who has a border with Russia actively dislikes RussiansIf you go one country further, you generally get people who just don't like Russians, mostly for historical reasons.Because they really, actually do drink the kool aid and believe their own propaganda. And they behave like actual nazi carricatures come to life when drunk, i.e. every night.
>>65314356>but Ukraine has to keep Eurosissy governments happy to have their supportno one in Europe but paid shills and professional contrarians care about russian civilians getting hit
>but why is this intact?Because targeting and strikes has priority. Ukies don't have unlimited cruise missiles (because US is gay and didn't give them tomahawks). Thus they focus on more important and crucial things like refineries and military factories.
>Norktard is dumb as fucking rocks Say it ain't so
>>65314396>>65314658There's literally a hissyfit from poland about naming some shit in Ukraine happening for a while now.
>>65314239>>65314239>DPRK wants to be left aloneThat's how they act right now.But if they ever felt the pressure's off, or that orgs of foreign sympathizers were a possibility, what's stopping Norklandia from becoming another sponsor of subversion?We already have a few retarded, pretty, White leftist college girls donning a niqab for a day and chanting "marg bar Amriki!" (Death to America in parsi) as a stunt for Khamenei's funeral.I could easily see this, PLUS retarded, pretty azn-american or american hapa girls jumping on the same shortbus for Norklandia.
>>65313617What if I pay you extra to just stamp the checks? It's my ass on the line if the fertilizer doesn't get there on time, you know.
Russian canals or any canals really, put everything in a pretty unprotected control house.If you fuck up the control house then trying to use the locks manually fucking sucks.Plus russians use a hydraulic control which uses upstream as intake. So they also have to get a guy in the water to place a stop over the intake. Since there is no fuel for a machine winch.This is smarter than you guys think.
>>65313175anon that system is strategic for russia its one of the three lifelines it has...however i dont know if you understand how a refinery works...hitting fuel tanks will only put the refinery back for 1-3 weeks they are very easy to be manufactured replaced and start filling again HOWEVERhitting the distilery tower will cause the refinery to shut down for literally 2 years AT BEST this is why they do not hit the towers because it will ensure an escalation
>>65315085What are you on? They hit the towers all the time and purposefully just for that very reason. Hell, the first strikes back in 23 or 22 on refineries specifically hit the towers.
>>65315089show me a distilery towert on firei will wait
>>65315085>this is why they do not hit the towers because it will ensure an escalationescalate what? how? what can russia do to escalate the war that isn't using nuclear weapons?>>65315156yes, two weeks of repairs, my friend, totally.
>>65315196you think a fuel tank is hard to construct? they are literally made by welded steel sheets there is nothing complicated about them
>>65315201Ugh my one pet peeve is sorting through my war documentation for refinery bombings. Its the one thing I never save, except for this one because I like the russians fleeing. Maybe one burning in there, who knows. Regardless, they've been hitting them. Cope, seethe, whine in yet another thread about it shill.
>>65315216so you have no evidence even tho you said >they hit the towers all the timegot it
>>65315222Back to shilling this one I see, fuel line must be awful long
>>65315201>you think a fuel tank is hard to construct? they are literally made by welded steel sheetscomplication is irrelevant, even if it was that simple it's not like the russians could get it done in that amount of time anyways.
>>65314680>There's literally a hissyfit from poland about naming some shit in Ukraine happening for a while now.Yeah, Ukraine named a unit after the UPA, a WWII-era nationalist insurgent group that fought both the Nazis and the Soviets during the war, and engaged in insurgency against the Soviet occupiers for many years after.The unit also carried out genocidal attacks against Poles in some areas, so the Polish did not exactly approve of this.The Ukies should probably just have walked back from that one, but nationalist pressures must be pretty high in there right now.
>>65315234>complication is irrelevantso they can output a thousands tanks in a month since its irrelevant right?
>>65315284No, I'm saying they won't do this, because they've been repeatedly demonstrated as fucking up incredibly simple tasks.Even simple repairs will take longer than they otherwise should unless Russia gets lucky and has a non-corrupt and competent crew on the job.My source for this is that the Omsk refinery will not be running in 1-2 weeks. 100%, it will take more than a week for Omsk to be put back to it's production levels.
>>65314922Normally, I would say 'sure it's Russia'.But they've been doing actual checks on the ramps to the Kerch brdige for years now, and they DO actually check the vehicles there.And you'd have to do this is a very specific place, i.e. one where a waterway is controlled by a single lock (i.e. Volga-Don canal)They also use pumping stations there, so you could actually try and hit those to indirectly shut down the canal.The problem with all of this is, of course, that these canals aslo serve as irrigation and Ukraine probably does not wantto give Russia a free ticket to screechin 'look how evil wectoid HATO starves poor puccia and its helpless chillums'Because this is the kind if shit MAGA just loves to eat up, they already proved it when they fell for the Russian Orthodox Church trick
>>65315284If they could, they would. but they evidently can't.Rebuilding a tank is certainlky possible, in a few months.Preceded by cleanig up oil sludge, clearing debris and wreckage, moving equipment into place, and THEN you can begin rebuilding.If you can find a company that has time and materials available to rebuild your tank and ship it to your refinery by that point in time.When it comes to a tower though. . .well, just repairing one is very difficult at best, and if the thing was actually on fire you're probabl looking at a replacement for at least the pressurized parts.Depends on what part of the precess was going on there and even which process they were using (it depends on what type of oil you get, and you can optimize for different outputs) But as a rule of thumb if you plan on replacing such a thing you're talking months to a year just to get it built.And you need all kinds of other shit operating around it for the whole process to work. You may have to blend your inputs, maintain a supply and flow of hydrogen (which is an unholy nightmare to handle btw), pre-heat the input, need lots of steam, have a seperate column to regenerate your catalyst and so on.And there is apparently nothing stopping the Ukrainians from just hitting the same refinery again in two months.
>>65315432>Preceded by cleanig up oil sludge, clearing debris and wreckage, moving equipment into place, and THEN you can begin rebuilding.>If you can find a company that has time and materials available to rebuild your tank and ship it to your refinery by that point in time.anon i hate it to brake to you but refineries built that stuff on site they do not order shit
>>65314707Frankly norkanon is just larping. There's plenty of blatant DPRK propaganda on social media and they never talk about hermitage like this guy does. They go on and on about Kim Jong Un's global presence and how its increasing.
